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Eric wrote:
Below is my 6-point Health Care plan:
Offer more product - Examples include an emergency plan with low premiums and plans targeted to younger folks where they would have lower premiums but no prescription or well visit coverage. Plans such as these would make available affordable health insurance for those whose employers don't provide it for them and for those with coverage lapses while changing jobs.
Eric wrote: Further breakdown of family plans – A family with 6 kids should pay more than a family with 1 kid. I propose it should be: single, married, married+1, married2-3, married4-5, married6+.
Eric wrote: Health Investment Accounts - Essentially, this would be akin to providing health insurance options similar to different types of life insurance options. This account could grow like a retirement account, and provide a safety net for people in their elderly years.
Eric wrote: Eliminate FREE for the poor - FREE healthcare should be available ONLY for poor KIDS, combat veterans and the severely disabled.
Eric wrote: Mandatory healthy living - If you are obese and continue to gain weight through poor diet and lack of exercise, then you lose coverage on issues that are affected through your bad decisions.
Eric wrote:Less usage of the ER – Our ER’s are over-crowded. Primary care physicians and after-hour clinics are more appropriate places to visit for non-emergency care. This is an opportunity for private enterprise to step in.
Wally_Hatchet wrote:Where in the US Constitution does it say that everybody has a right to free healthcare?
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
Wally_Hatchet wrote:Where in the US Constitution does it say that everybody has a right to free healthcare?
7 Wishes wrote:RWF, I just think it's a difference in cultures between the two respective countries. Human rights and constitutional rights are not mutually exclusive but are often one and the same.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
Rockindeano wrote:It's not true. Sure some don't want to wait for cosmetic surgery.
On the other hand, Americans are going to Canada in droves for affordable drugs.
US HC sucks, period. Why, because not all have access, and last time I checked, we were all supposed to be equals. Sad.
I wish Sherrie would come in here, because frankly, I don't have the energy to do this.
7 Wishes wrote:Polls in Canada routinely show over 90% of the population is happy with the healthcare system.
Also, over 90% say they think their tax dollars that go into the program are part of their civic duties as Canadians and they DO NOT RESENT IT AT ALL.
What Americans have is compassion fatigue. No, on second thought...compassion is something that about half the population has none of which to speak.
7 Wishes wrote:I do think there is a direct correlation between people who think everyone has exactly the same opportunity in life (regardless of being born into poverty or being a minority) and those who believe otherwise, and their own willingness to help out their fellow man as a matter of principle.
conversationpc wrote:7 Wishes wrote:Polls in Canada routinely show over 90% of the population is happy with the healthcare system.
Also, over 90% say they think their tax dollars that go into the program are part of their civic duties as Canadians and they DO NOT RESENT IT AT ALL.
What Americans have is compassion fatigue. No, on second thought...compassion is something that about half the population has none of which to speak.
Polls also showed Obama was going to easily win the New Hampshire primaries.
BTW, get the hell off the damn bandwagon that claims people who don't believe in universal healthcare must not be compassionate. What a load of shit. I'm sick and tired of morons like you claiming that just because someone doesn't believe the government should screw up healthcare like it does everything else that means we must be lacking in compassion. Bull-fricking-crap.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
RedWingFan wrote:Wally, libs hate the US Constitution. They wipe their feet on it on their way to search for foreign law to tear down everything that made this country great.
Rockindeano wrote:RedWingFan wrote:Wally, libs hate the US Constitution. They wipe their feet on it on their way to search for foreign law to tear down everything that made this country great.
If that is true, care to explain how this administration has wiped it's ass with the US Constitution the past 7 years?
You guys are such a joke. Seriously, open your fucking eyes.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
RedWingFan wrote:conversationpc wrote:BTW, get the hell off the damn bandwagon that claims people who don't believe in universal healthcare must not be compassionate. What a load of shit. I'm sick and tired of morons like you claiming that just because someone doesn't believe the government should screw up healthcare like it does everything else that means we must be lacking in compassion. Bull-fricking-crap.
Dude, you might want to take it down a notch. You kinda sound like one of your frequent debate partners in this post.
Rockindeano wrote:RedWingFan wrote:Wally, libs hate the US Constitution. They wipe their feet on it on their way to search for foreign law to tear down everything that made this country great.
If that is true, care to explain how this administration has wiped it's ass with the US Constitution the past 7 years?
You guys are such a joke. Seriously, open your fucking eyes.
7 Wishes wrote:Guess what? Out of the 28 richest democracies in the world, the United States ranks DEAD LAST in life expectancy.
RedWingFan wrote:Rockindeano wrote:RedWingFan wrote:Wally, libs hate the US Constitution. They wipe their feet on it on their way to search for foreign law to tear down everything that made this country great.
If that is true, care to explain how this administration has wiped it's ass with the US Constitution the past 7 years?
You guys are such a joke. Seriously, open your fucking eyes.
How so? You referring to FISA. The F in which stands for Foreign?
conversationpc wrote:7 Wishes wrote:Guess what? Out of the 28 richest democracies in the world, the United States ranks DEAD LAST in life expectancy.
That has a whole heck of a lot more to do with terrible eating habits than it does the healthcare system. The average American is way overweight, myself included, which leads to more heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
The_Noble_Cause wrote:RedWingFan wrote:Rockindeano wrote:RedWingFan wrote:Wally, libs hate the US Constitution. They wipe their feet on it on their way to search for foreign law to tear down everything that made this country great.
If that is true, care to explain how this administration has wiped it's ass with the US Constitution the past 7 years?
You guys are such a joke. Seriously, open your fucking eyes.
How so? You referring to FISA. The F in which stands for Foreign?
Bruce Fein, constitutional lawyer and deputy attorney general under Reagan, has been all over this.
Again, true conservatives who understand and respect their philosophy are appalled by the criminal behavior of this White House.
The rest of you are simply enablers.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
RedWingFan wrote:Gotta be honest with you TNC, I've never heard of him. But the Patriot Act is far less intrusive on law abiding citizens than Eminent Domain abuses that were deemed Constituional by activist judges. I think Mr. Fein would agree.
conversationpc wrote:RedWingFan wrote:Gotta be honest with you TNC, I've never heard of him. But the Patriot Act is far less intrusive on law abiding citizens than Eminent Domain abuses that were deemed Constituional by activist judges. I think Mr. Fein would agree.
I'm not a big fan of The Patriot Act. Sure, some will bring up the fact that it hasn't been abused but the potential for abuse is still there. It's well-intentioned, in my opinion, but it's not as good as it could be.
Rockindeano wrote:Homework assignment for all you Cons:
Tomorrow, I am posting a thread about Karl Rove, an imprisoned Alabama Governor, and a TV station in N Alabama that wouldn't show 60 minutes that basically shed light on Roves illegal and flat out despicable act regarding this.
Prepare yourself.
This story will become Huge.
And if I am amped up, we can also talk about Dick Cheney's missing emails in the Fitzgerald led trial.
Enigma869 wrote:I have to tell you that I watched this story on 60 Minutes on Sunday night, and was appalled at the level of corruption! It's more stunning to me that some genius at a TV station in Alabama thought it was even remotely intelligent to ban 60 Minutes, because of a story that didn't show their state in the most favorable light!
John from Boston
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