Gotta love the Caveman

[DrFU]

Maybe we should just embrace it.

[mistiejourney]

He means it as a compliment folks... In the context of the sentence, it's obvious that the guy was making a joke.

Really? It didn't come across that way to me when "and it's not always fun dealing with them" followed the description.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure hit me the wrong way - and it takes a lot to get me riled up!

"It's not always fun dealing with them"- did you read some of the comments people posted here about him within this very thread? I get the guys trepidation!
Still, seemed like it was almost a compliment to me. If he said "you guys are the craziest and wildest fans..."- it's the same thing, he just used psychotic (for crazy) and rabid (for wild).
Geez, maybe he just needs a thesaurus.

Yeah, I probably just need a Valium....just got home from work and that's the first thing I read!

[brywool]

Maybe we should just embrace it.

I'm waiting for the shirt that says

JOURNEY FAN:
Don't take it personal, we're all assholes!

[Michigan Girl]

He means it as a compliment folks... In the context of the sentence, it's obvious that the guy was making a joke.

Really? It didn't come across that way to me when "and it's not always fun dealing with them" followed the description.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure hit me the wrong way - and it takes a lot to get me riled up!

"It's not always fun dealing with them"- did you read some of the comments people posted here about him within this very thread? I get the guys trepidation!
Still, seemed like it was almost a compliment to me. If he said "you guys are the craziest and wildest fans..."- it's the same thing, he just used psychotic (for crazy) and rabid (for wild).
Geez, maybe he just needs a thesaurus.

Yeah, I probably just need a Valium....just got home from work and that's the first thing I read!

Well, I personally LOVED your PASSION!!!!

[mistiejourney]

Maybe we should just embrace it.

I swear - if someone makes that T-shirt, I WILL buy it and I WILL wear it to the San Francisco Area Concert and I WILL go Five Star so I can get up front so they can see it!

I like 'em extra large with a scoop neck - I'm serious! Anyone willing to make it for me?

Hell, ya gotta have SOME fun with this!

[mistiejourney]

Maybe we should just embrace it.

I'm waiting for the shirt that says

JOURNEY FAN:
Don't take it personal, we're all assholes!

Major LOLOLOL!

[TerryB]

I have to agree that the Shirley helmed Journey albums have been less than impressive mix-wise, while the old Elson produced albums still sound pretty good.
TBF should have sounded awesome considering they blew something like a million bucks on that album. Arrival sounded like they ran it through a pillowcase filter...not a crisp sound on the whole recording.

I am guessing that Generations was done on a dime and they tried to get away with shortcuts by overcompressing instead of a proper mixdown that would require more studio time. It bit them in the butt when it went to get mastered...just a guess. Strangegrey would probably know more about that than I do...I am live sound guy.

The new Scorpions album sounds pretty good. Probably had a decent budget and someone who knew what they doing and actually cared about the mix.

Terry

[brywool]

I have to agree that the Shirley helmed Journey albums have been less than impressive mix-wise, while the old Elson produced albums still sound pretty good.
TBF should have sounded awesome considering they blew something like a million bucks on that album.

Speaking of TBF- has anybody ever noticed that Perry's vocals almost sound a bit distorted? Almost like they were run too hot or something. It drives me crazy whenever I listen to it with headphones.

[jrnyman28]

Speaking of TBF- has anybody ever noticed that Perry's vocals almost sound a bit distorted? Almost like they were run too hot or something. It drives me crazy whenever I listen to it with headphones.

When I listen with headphones I hear how rough (I don't want to say bad) Perry's vocals really were. Still amzingly emotive, but not strong and clear at all.

[Tomulator]

I have to agree that the Shirley helmed Journey albums have been less than impressive mix-wise, while the old Elson produced albums still sound pretty good.
TBF should have sounded awesome considering they blew something like a million bucks on that album.

Speaking of TBF- has anybody ever noticed that Perry's vocals almost sound a bit distorted? Almost like they were run too hot or something. It drives me crazy whenever I listen to it with headphones.

TOTALLY done on purpose...to give them a "new age" sounding "edge".

[mistiejourney]

I have to agree that the Shirley helmed Journey albums have been less than impressive mix-wise, while the old Elson produced albums still sound pretty good.
TBF should have sounded awesome considering they blew something like a million bucks on that album. Arrival sounded like they ran it through a pillowcase filter...not a crisp sound on the whole recording.

I am guessing that Generations was done on a dime and they tried to get away with shortcuts by overcompressing instead of a proper mixdown that would require more studio time. It bit them in the butt when it went to get mastered...just a guess. Strangegrey would probably know more about that than I do...I am live sound guy.

The new Scorpions album sounds pretty good. Probably had a decent budget and someone who knew what they doing and actually cared about the mix.

Terry

I love Arrival and used to think I had blown my speakers because it was never as clear and crisp and I had a hell of a time trying to get the vocals out front with the puny equalizer.

Then I got my iPod and a BOSE speaker system.....and it still sounds the same. But I still love it!

[Deb]

Speaking of TBF- has anybody ever noticed that Perry's vocals almost sound a bit distorted? Almost like they were run too hot or something. It drives me crazy whenever I listen to it with headphones.

Perry's vocals run too hot?! Drives me crazy too!

....sorry, just couldn't leave that one alone.

[mistiejourney]

Speaking of TBF- has anybody ever noticed that Perry's vocals almost sound a bit distorted? Almost like they were run too hot or something. It drives me crazy whenever I listen to it with headphones.

Perry's vocals run too hot?! Drives me crazy too!

....sorry, just couldn't leave that one alone.

I can hear you sizzling all the way over here!

[kgdjpubs]

He means it as a compliment folks... In the context of the sentence, it's obvious that the guy was making a joke.

Really? It didn't come across that way to me when "and it's not always fun dealing with them" followed the description.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure hit me the wrong way - and it takes a lot to get me riled up!

judging by what he said around the time Arrival was released, "rabid and psychotic" would just about sum up some of the e-mails he received. 3 or 4 loose cannons can really do some damage to the image of the fanbase when they lash out at someone who may or may not even be responsible for the situation.

[Deb]

Speaking of TBF- has anybody ever noticed that Perry's vocals almost sound a bit distorted? Almost like they were run too hot or something. It drives me crazy whenever I listen to it with headphones.

Perry's vocals run too hot?! Drives me crazy too!

....sorry, just couldn't leave that one alone.

I can hear you sizzling all the way over here!

[AlienC]

He means it as a compliment folks... In the context of the sentence, it's obvious that the guy was making a joke.

Really? It didn't come across that way to me when "and it's not always fun dealing with them" followed the description.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure hit me the wrong way - and it takes a lot to get me riled up!

"It's not always fun dealing with them"- did you read some of the comments people posted here about him within this very thread? I get the guys trepidation!
Still, seemed like it was almost a compliment to me. If he said "you guys are the craziest and wildest fans..."- it's the same thing, he just used psychotic (for crazy) and rabid (for wild).
Geez, maybe he just needs a thesaurus.

He's a very intelligent person quite capable of choosing his words accurately.
Trust that he did so here.
He answers only to he that writes the check for the project.

[brywool]

Speaking of TBF- has anybody ever noticed that Perry's vocals almost sound a bit distorted? Almost like they were run too hot or something. It drives me crazy whenever I listen to it with headphones.

TOTALLY done on purpose...to give them a "new age" sounding "edge".[/quote]

Seriously?
Whoever said that hearing a distorted vocal makes something edgy and new age needs their head examined. I mean, U2 used vocal distortion to great EFFECT on Achtung Baby, but it was an effect, not a method to record an entire album of vocal tracks. ugh, these kids today, what are they thinking?

[AlienC]

I have to agree that the Shirley helmed Journey albums have been less than impressive mix-wise, while the old Elson produced albums still sound pretty good.
TBF should have sounded awesome considering they blew something like a million bucks on that album. Arrival sounded like they ran it through a pillowcase filter...not a crisp sound on the whole recording.

I am guessing that Generations was done on a dime and they tried to get away with shortcuts by overcompressing instead of a proper mixdown that would require more studio time. It bit them in the butt when it went to get mastered...just a guess. Strangegrey would probably know more about that than I do...I am live sound guy.

The new Scorpions album sounds pretty good. Probably had a decent budget and someone who knew what they doing and actually cared about the mix.

Terry

Time is the key. There is no longer the patience required to craft the song sonically. Everyone seems to think their bedroom is as good as a studio control room and that Pro -Tools and a MAC sound as good as a Neve and a Studer running 30 ips DOLBY SR.
As long as you're listening to an iPod and MP3s, they're not too far off.

As the quality of ingredients can affect the outcome of a dish, so too does the quality and integrity of signal matter to the final product.

Shirley, as a chef of audio ingredients can only do so much with what he's given. No amount of Studio gimmickry can save a poor song.

But know this, the mastering engineer, can screw you after you've spent all the time and money in the world. With ELECTRIC WORLD, there are sounds and textures we worked HARD to produce and they washed them out so much, it pains me to listen to some songs. There was a single triangle hit that they eliminated that changes the whole structure of the song.
Anyway, I digress into my personal jungle and all that was to say the mastering engineer can change the final product as well, and they have been known to hand the producer one copy, and the record company another one. And if the Record Company is paying, guess whose version is ending up at the pressing plant.

[brywool]

Speaking of TBF- has anybody ever noticed that Perry's vocals almost sound a bit distorted? Almost like they were run too hot or something. It drives me crazy whenever I listen to it with headphones.

When I listen with headphones I hear how rough (I don't want to say bad) Perry's vocals really were. Still amzingly emotive, but not strong and clear at all.

I hear that too, but I was speaking more of the recording fidelity. It's totally distorted and not just that his voice is rough.

[G.I.Jim]

I think he's absolutely right, you people are serious assholes! Good thing i'm normal.

[epresley]

The Caveman, yeah, Geico is great!!!!!!!

[Rick]

The Caveman, yeah, Geico is great!!!!!!!

[AlienC]

I have to agree that the Shirley helmed Journey albums have been less than impressive mix-wise, while the old Elson produced albums still sound pretty good.
TBF should have sounded awesome considering they blew something like a million bucks on that album.

Speaking of TBF- has anybody ever noticed that Perry's vocals almost sound a bit distorted? Almost like they were run too hot or something. It drives me crazy whenever I listen to it with headphones.

TOTALLY done on purpose...to give them a "new age" sounding "edge".

SP oversaw all aspects of his tracks. Any sonic "edginess" is by design and performance.

His mics were top line ELam's / Telefunken/ Neumann's and the signal chain was impeccable, Neve, Massenburg, et al.
My ears were better then than they are now, and there were some REALLY good ears on those tracks. The Site's engineer's are first class, and having George Massenburg hisself around wasn't what someone rushing something would do.


<---lapses into a flashback of lunch on the patio with the fog rolling in. Band running songs in the main room, hawks riding the ocean breezes......

[Red13JoePa]

Yo, A1ien, what town is The Site in and was that the on1y studio used (other than George 1ukas' Skywa1ker Ranch I presume for the strings)?

[Jeremey]

His mics were top line ELam's / Telefunken/ Neumann's and the signal chain was impeccable, Neve, Massenburg, et al.
My ears were better then than they are now, and there were some REALLY good ears on those tracks. The Site's engineer's are first class, and having George Massenburg hisself around wasn't what someone rushing something would do.


<---lapses into a flashback of lunch on the patio with the fog rolling in. Band running songs in the main room, hawks riding the ocean breezes......

Allen, Jonathan told me at one point that Perry recorded a lot of his TBF vocals at his Wild Horse studios during the TBF sessions, even brought out the same mic. Is this true?

[larryfromnextdoor]

Time is the key. There is no longer the patience required to craft the song sonically. Everyone seems to think their bedroom is as good as a studio control room and that Pro -Tools and a MAC sound as good as a Neve and a Studer running 30 ips DOLBY SR.
As long as you're listening to an iPod and MP3s, they're not too far off.

As the quality of ingredients can affect the outcome of a dish, so too does the quality and integrity of signal matter to the final product.

Shirley, as a chef of audio ingredients can only do so much with what he's given. No amount of Studio gimmickry can save a poor song.

But know this, the mastering engineer, can screw you after you've spent all the time and money in the world. With ELECTRIC WORLD, there are sounds and textures we worked HARD to produce and they washed them out so much, it pains me to listen to some songs. There was a single triangle hit that they eliminated that changes the whole structure of the song.
Anyway, I digress into my personal jungle and all that was to say the mastering engineer can change the final product as well, and they have been known to hand the producer one copy, and the record company another one. And if the Record Company is paying, guess whose version is ending up at the pressing plant.

i was thinking Van Halen III as i read your comment..

the albums done in the 70's and early 80's sound so good to me.. i love analogue,, when DDD came out for recording cd's i hated it.. i think one of those Heart albums was the very first.. its just too clear,,

and anymore the vocals are always mixed so far above the intruments that you cant tell whats being played..

[Deb]

SP oversaw all aspects of his tracks. Any sonic "edginess" is by design and performance.

His mics were top line ELam's / Telefunken/ Neumann's and the signal chain was impeccable, Neve, Massenburg, et al.
My ears were better then than they are now, and there were some REALLY good ears on those tracks. The Site's engineer's are first class, and having George Massenburg hisself around wasn't what someone rushing something would do.


<---lapses into a flashback of lunch on the patio with the fog rolling in. Band running songs in the main room, hawks riding the ocean breezes......

Cool to hear, thanks for sharing that.

[Lora]

Time is the key. There is no longer the patience required to craft the song sonically. Everyone seems to think their bedroom is as good as a studio control room and that Pro -Tools and a MAC sound as good as a Neve and a Studer running 30 ips DOLBY SR. As long as you're listening to an iPod and MP3s, they're not too far off..

So true and so sad. There is a whole generation who think music is supposed to sound like the shit that comes out of their iPod.

[Rhiannon]

So true and so sad. There is a whole generation who think music is supposed to sound like the shit that comes out of their iPod.

The shit that comes out of my iPod is usually Journey & others of the same class.

[Sarah]

"Journey do have some of the more psychotic and rabid internet fans, and it's not always fun dealing with them"

...it's funny cause it's true