OT: Obama's pastor

by **brywool** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:19 am

conversationpc wrote:
I'm not a big fan but...Condoleezza anyone?

I had a friend who had Condeleezza once. The doc gave him a shot of penicillin and it cleared right up.

by **Barb** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:20 am

Association with Obama aside, would anybody here want to go to a political church like this? There goes their tax exempt status! I'd be mortified to hear my pastor preaching that kind of hatred and racism in a damn church!

by **Gin and Tonic Sky** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:40 am

conversationpc wrote:
MJM1959 wrote:First of all Trinity Church in Chicago says up front that they are “Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian.” So when the pastor says words to the effect of “God damn America,” instead of “God Bless America.” I think it is important NOT to look at it from the perspective of someone who believes that America is right about everything all the time. You know, the type of person whose idea of “patriotism” is a belief that their country is better than any other country, their country is always right (with the possible exception of when a liberal is president), and anyone who believes differently and raises objections to their country’s actions during war time is unpatriotic at best, or treasonous at worst.

I don't think ANYONE believes that we are right ALL the time. However, that's totally different from what this guy said. And, yes, I do believe this is the greatest country on the earth and I hope that people who live in other countries think THEIR country is the greatest, not in a smug, stuck-up way, but in a proud, patriotic way.

Still the last best hope for mankind, not perfect but the last best hope! No our country isnt right about everything, but it does alot of decent things.
Im an American who currently living outside the US & I am afforded a bit of a fresh, different perspective- I can appreciate alot of things which Americans / USA do that some of you back in the states know about but perhaps dont think about every day. I see the fact that American private citizens give 300 billion dollars of their own money in charitable contributions because not only are they taught that it is the right thing to do but they free enough and have low enough tax burden to often be able to do it. Too often in Europe you hear why aint the UN or my government doing more.?

In very few countries would you see a minority group make secretary of state twice in a row, and win the presidential nomination. As a matter of fact in Europe in terms of general political debate I can tell you there is much less open political debate because the medial elites generally set the tone for the discussion and everyone just ideologically lines up. We on the other hand tell each are diametrically oppposed to each other, tell each to fuck off and die, but then go have a group hug over Steve Perry (or some other such tie that binds)

By the way no offence to my European readers, espcially any English ones ( a place I think as damn near decent and great as the USA.)

Yea we have done a few things which have been wrong Slavery was horrible,(as it was in all the countries that had it) but dont lecture the decendants of 28,000 dead union soldiers who died at Gettysburg fighting it. Yes Hiroshima was a tragedy and absolutely. debatable whether we shouldh ave done it, but then we had people like McCarthur who fought tooth and nail to ensure that the US treated Japan with decency after the war to help it rebuild and build institutions.

This preacher jackass was not disagreeing consructively, he is working to pull people apart. I served in the Navy to defend the right to say what you want but not to tear apart your fellow citizens with hateful words. Real christians dont do that, and they dont ask God to damn people.

Therefore I wont, but Im sure gonna tell him to fuck off.

Sorry for that rant but this shit pisses me off :!:

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:45 am

Barb wrote:Association with Obama aside, would anybody here want to go to a political church like this? There goes their tax exempt status! I'd be mortified to hear my pastor preaching that kind of hatred and racism in a damn church!

You couldn't be more right Barb. This Church should lose it's tax exemption(I think every Church should pay taxes), but this black piece of dog crap has preached his last sermon, and surely this church will cry racism and want to go on receiving exemption.

by **conversationpc** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:53 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:Association with Obama aside, would anybody here want to go to a political church like this? There goes their tax exempt status! I'd be mortified to hear my pastor preaching that kind of hatred and racism in a damn church!

You couldn't be more right Barb. This Church should lose it's tax exemption(I think every Church should pay taxes), but this black piece of dog crap has preached his last sermon, and surely this church will cry racism and want to go on receiving exemption.

If we were to adopt the Fair Tax, EVERYONE and EVERY company or organization would pay the same taxes.

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:09 am

Fact Finder wrote:Obama to be on CNN, MSNBC and FOX tonight regardng Pastor Wright...

He has all the TV to himself. Poor fucker.

Notice Hill and Gramps are just watching him burn?

by **MJM1959** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:42 am

On the other side of the fence....

Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."

and...

A few weeks ago, to little notice, Texas megachurch pastor John Hagee, founder of the new "apocalypse now!" national lobbying group CUFI [what is CUFI? see story footnote] met with Presidential candidate and US Senator John McCain and, over breakfast, discussed Israel and "other matters" Pastor Hagee declined to detail in the email he sent out to members of the CUFI mailing list because "This newsflash goes to the ends of the earth and I don't want to read it in the media tomorrow". At July 19th, 2006 Washington DC inaugural event for CUFI, after recorded greeting from George W. Bush, with four US Senators and the Israeli ambassador to the US in attendance, Pastor John Hagee stated : "the United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West... a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."

So, what were the "secret matters" John Hagee and John McCain discussed last January 29th ? And, why is Senator McCain seeking political support from an advocate for apocalyptic war ?

by **Barb** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:50 am

MJM1959 wrote:On the other side of the fence....

Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."

and...

A few weeks ago, to little notice, Texas megachurch pastor John Hagee, founder of the new "apocalypse now!" national lobbying group CUFI [what is CUFI? see story footnote] met with Presidential candidate and US Senator John McCain and, over breakfast, discussed Israel and "other matters" Pastor Hagee declined to detail in the email he sent out to members of the CUFI mailing list because "This newsflash goes to the ends of the earth and I don't want to read it in the media tomorrow". At July 19th, 2006 Washington DC inaugural event for CUFI, after recorded greeting from George W. Bush, with four US Senators and the Israeli ambassador to the US in attendance, Pastor John Hagee stated : "the United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West... a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."

So, what were the "secret matters" John Hagee and John McCain discussed last January 29th ? And, why is Senator McCain seeking political support from an advocate for apocalyptic war ?

I think there is a distinct difference here. If Obama had only been endorsed by this lunatic, it wouldn't be such a big deal. The problem is that he has had a close relationship with and been influenced by him for the past 20 years. In fact, this asshat married him and his wife. Rev. Asshat gave Obama the title for his book Audacity of Hope. He considers this guy a part of his family. I think it's much harder to distance yourself when you are that closely involved. Obama's been listening to this bullshit for 20 years. I certainly wouldn't stay in a church that offended me for 20 years, so one can conclude Obama must be okay with it on some level. THAT is the problem.

by **RedWingFan** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:39 am

Obama is sunk!!! Hillary has over 50% unlikable rating. It's gonna be McCain by default. :roll:

Nice job Barack!!!! :lol:

by **MJM1959** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:46 am

It is long time between now and November. Heck, it is a long time between now and Pennsylvania. And we all know just how Attention Deficit Disorder affected the American public is. At any rate, these sideshow issues only serve to detract from real issues such as the slippery slope that is economy and Operation Infinite Sandbox.

by **mikemarrs** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:44 pm

i think between now and november all will be forgotten and the last poster is right we have very short memories these days.but i'm still hoping like hell hillary gets the nomination.

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:59 pm

brywool wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
I'm not a big fan but...Condoleezza anyone?

I had a friend who had Condeleezza once. The doc gave him a shot of penicillin and it cleared right up.

bata bing, bata boom!!

by **cudaclan** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:34 pm

Spiritual and inspirational figureheads should not condone violence and hatred. Yet it is practiced in many religious factions. Reverend Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have made comments that are contradictory. From condoning war, assassination, political preference… Only sheep need shepherds.

by **Eric** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:11 am

Deano......I'm gonna make a deal with you

If Hillary ends up against McCain andthen wins the presidency...I will support Hillary and give all her ideas and plans a fair chance

In return, however, you need to promise us NOT to vote for Obama if he is pitted against McCain. PLEASE..don't vote for Obama.

Website · by **FishinMagician** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:19 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:You can bet your last dollar that these videos of the Pastor came from the Clinton camp. She has declared all out war on Barry and will fight to the death to get what she thinks she deserves. We may see riots before this shit is done.

If Clinton did this, then you should thank her. I would show it over and over.

Reverse racism is as bad as straight racism.

reverse racism? lol

by **Wally_Hatchet** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:22 am

X factor wrote:WHich means a McCain victory and 100 MORE YEARS OF THE WAR!!! Hot damn!!!!

McCain did NOT say we'd be in a 100 year war in Iraq. He was talking about possible troop presence (if asked), much like we have troops in Germany and Korea.

Obama and the dems are misleading the country, hoping they will believe that Mac meant we'd be in a war there for 100 years. Not true.

by **Wally_Hatchet** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:24 am

conversationpc wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:Association with Obama aside, would anybody here want to go to a political church like this? There goes their tax exempt status! I'd be mortified to hear my pastor preaching that kind of hatred and racism in a damn church!

You couldn't be more right Barb. This Church should lose it's tax exemption(I think every Church should pay taxes), but this black piece of dog crap has preached his last sermon, and surely this church will cry racism and want to go on receiving exemption.

If we were to adopt the Fair Tax, EVERYONE and EVERY company or organization would pay the same taxes.

Yep. Even drug dealers, prositutes and lazy people who refuse to work would have to pay taxes. Sounds good to me.

by **conversationpc** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:33 am

Wally_Hatchet wrote:
X factor wrote:WHich means a McCain victory and 100 MORE YEARS OF THE WAR!!! Hot damn!!!!

McCain did NOT say we'd be in a 100 year war in Iraq. He was talking about possible troop presence (if asked), much like we have troops in Germany and Korea.

Obama and the dems are misleading the country, hoping they will believe that Mac meant we'd be in a war there for 100 years. Not true.

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous how taken out context that remark has been. We've been in Korea since the 50s but do we still consider it to be a war? It's pretty obvious that we don't.

by **stevew2** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:35 am

Fact Finder wrote:Been wanting to bring this up here but didn't want to listen to the libs call it a smear tactic of the Pubs. However, todays Wall Street Journal has weighed in and this guy is freaking scary, and Obama has listened to him for 20 years.

WSJ: Obama and the Minister

Wall Street Journal ^ | 3/14/08

Obama and the Minister

By RONALD KESSLER

March 14, 2008; Page A19

In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.

"We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."

Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."

His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . ."

Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God "Bless America" but "God damn America."

thats scary,he preaches hate. I think he is pissed cause there had to be a white man in the wood pile. Im darker then that blowhard

by **ForeverInBlue** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:41 am

Scary shit! I want Hill to win the nomination,(even though I am a Pub), am scared shitless of Obomba! Yes, misspelled that on purpose. I see as scary to a point but least she has some experience. Obomba wants change but doesn't talk about any.

by **AlienC** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:29 am

MJM1959 wrote:It is long time between now and November. Heck, it is a long time between now and Pennsylvania. And we all know just how Attention Deficit Disorder affected the American public is. At any rate, these sideshow issues only serve to detract from real issues such as the slippery slope that is economy and Operation Infinite Sandbox.

That's good !! :mrgreen:

by **Gin and Tonic Sky** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:42 am

I noted with interest that Obama picked up a few more Iowa delegates yesterday at the Iowa county conventions as Edwards supporters went over to him in numbers. Seems Democratic party activist dont seen to care one bit about or see anything wrong with Obama's radical associations and their weekly "kool aid kommunion services with their hsate america hyms."

It doesnt really suprise me though.

by **MJM1959** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:40 am

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:I noted with interest that Obama picked up a few more Iowa delegates yesterday at the Iowa county conventions as Edwards supporters went over to him in numbers. Seems Democratic party activist dont seen to care one bit about or see anything wrong with Obama's radical associations and their weekly "kool aid kommunion services with their hsate america hyms."

It doesnt really suprise me though.

Why should I be any more concerned about his association with this man that I should be concerned about John McCain's association with Anti-Catholic religious zealot John Hagee?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV ... ohn-hagee/

by **conversationpc** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:47 am

MJM1959 wrote:Why should I be any more concerned about his association with this man that I should be concerned about John McCain's association with Anti-Catholic religious zealot John Hagee?

McCain does not have a 20-year association with Hagee nor was he even likely aware of Hagee's beliefs. I've known about Hagee for years but even I am not aware of his beliefs. On the other hand, Obama has had a close association with his pastor and known all about him for two decades.

Also, the video you linked to does not teach anything anti-Catholic that I can see. He does reference the Catholic church's involvement with Hitler when he was in power in Germany, which is well documented.

by **RedWingFan** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:49 am

MJM1959 wrote:
Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:I noted with interest that Obama picked up a few more Iowa delegates yesterday at the Iowa county conventions as Edwards supporters went over to him in numbers. Seems Democratic party activist dont seen to care one bit about or see anything wrong with Obama's radical associations and their weekly "kool aid kommunion services with their hsate america hyms."

It doesnt really suprise me though.

Why should I be any more concerned about his association with this man that I should be concerned about John McCain's association with Anti-Catholic religious zealot John Hagee?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV ... ohn-hagee/

Well, has John McCain sat infront of his pulpit for the past 20 years listening to him bash "G.D. America"? Hate filled stuff that evidently sunk into his "for the first time proud of America" wife. Huge difference. If you can't see that then you're hopeless.

by **MJM1959** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:54 am

conversationpc wrote:
MJM1959 wrote:Why should I be any more concerned about his association with this man that I should be concerned about John McCain's association with Anti-Catholic religious zealot John Hagee?

McCain does not have a 20-year association with Hagee nor was he even likely aware of Hagee's beliefs. I've known about Hagee for years but even I am not aware of his beliefs. On the other hand, Obama has had a close association with his pastor and known all about him for two decades.

How many people are you associated with that hold beliefs that you do not share?

My grandparents used the N-word frequently. Does that make ME a racist? This whole guilt by association argumant is complete bullshit!

What am I supposed to be afraid of anyway? What might this association cause Mr. Obama to do?

by **RedWingFan** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:58 am

MJM1959 wrote:My grandparents used the N-word frequently. Does that make ME a racist? This whole guilt by association argumant is complete bullshit!

You didn't get to pick your grandparents did you? Obama picked this preacher. I'm a non-denomination Christian and have been to about every type of Christian church there is. I've walked out of several services I don't agree with. I felt I had to because they violated my beliefs or the Bible. For Obama to sit through 20 years of this is very telling.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:46 am

Can't help but notice that, alot like the mainstream media at large, noone has bothered to refute what the Pastor said point by point. Heaven forbid someone, (a former military man, no less!) take a less than rosy view of our foreign policy and entertain the idea that what we do abroad possibly has reverberations at home. Fire and brimstone pulpit pounding aside, I fail to see what is so controversial here.

Unlike most of the GOP chickenhawks running this country and dominating the airwaves, at least this dude served his country.

by **RedWingFan** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:59 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Can't help but notice that, alot like the mainstream media at large, noone has bothered to refute what the Pastor said point by point.

Well just off the top of my head we bombed Nagasaki. Why? Just for the fun of killing people in mass I guess. :roll:

Pearl Harbor was not a good enough reason huh, TNC?

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:59 am

Saint John wrote:Please, please, please let Obama win the nomination. There is a PLETHORA of stuff a certain party is waiting to unload on Obama. Let's see...a war hero with a great service record and a darn good political history versus a guy with no experience who aligns himself with the extremist pro-Muslim terrorist faction. That'll be a tough one!!! Obama's father was a "Wahabi" muslim...part of one of the most extreme factions and this nut is his pastor...and we're supposed to vote for him for president?!?! He represents "change" alright!!!

Yes, yes, yes!

PLEASE DO keep playing the Muslim card.
Everyday on AM Talk Radio, (or as I like to call it "The Wild West"), xenophobic vikings such as yourself call in and spew this crap. Some have even gone so far as to insert middle names that don't exist. Browse the dial and you will routinely hear Obama now being called "Barack Muhammed Hussein Obama" daily.
Keep it up.
Even Karl Rove said this overtly racist strategy will lead your political party right where it belongs; alongside the Bullmoose, Whigs, and Federalists atop the slagheap of political oblivion.

MR

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