Journeys worst ever ballad?

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:29 am

Valory may have had a hand in the Can Do lyrical travesty, as he has a cowrite.

Homemade Love, though, is fantastic.
Lyrics might sound weird at first glance, but the latent meanings are pure RNR sin seeking.

by **ohsherrie** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:41 am

Butterfly. It's slightly worse than Beyond the Clouds.

by **Deb** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:44 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Homemade Love, though, is fantastic.
Lyrics might sound weird at first glance, but the latent meanings are pure RNR sin seeking.

Agreed.......love the bluesy feel of that one. 'Can Do' gets my vote for worst Journey song to date.

by **maverick218** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:53 am

Open Arms always comes to my mind, but I think the worst ever was Don't Be Down on Me Baby.

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:54 am

Beyond The Clouds was amazing whoever said that... one of the best off Generations. I love the interplay between Neal's guitar and SA's voice.

I really tend to like the TBF and Arrival ballads with the exception of Loved by You (which still has a beautiful piano intro). Open Arms has to be it for me. The difference between a great Journey ballad and one that I skip over more often than not is the presence of Mr. Schon's backing "vocals" - namely the way he crafts a melodic, completely memorable solo over almost every ballad. When I Think of You, When You Love a Woman, All The Way, Faithfully, Why Can't This Night Go On Forever, the upcoming After All These Years... Neal never fails to amaze me in that regard.

As for Patiently, first of all, great song. Second of all, I wouldn't really call it a ballad in the true Journey sense - that song is actually closer to Journey's progressive side with the interesting chord inversions, the haunting acoustic to the crunchy electric transitions and such. If anything, I'd call it a "prog ballad" rather than a "power ballad" in the vein of Queensryche's Silent Lucidity or even some Rush songs.

by **brywool** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:56 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
brywool wrote:Just the Rain
Trial by Fire

BEST:

Little Girl
Why Can't This Night Go On Forever

Trial By Fire is certainly no ballad. It is however one of the best Journey songs every recorded, a whole new level of song writing for the lads from Journey that day

it ain't no rock song either. It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

by **NealIsGod** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:57 am

brywool wrote:It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

That's how I feel about the whole TBF album.

by **annie89509** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:23 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Valory may have had a hand in the Can Do lyrical travesty, as he has a cowrite.

Homemade Love, though, is fantastic.
Lyrics might sound weird at first glance, but the latent meanings are pure RNR sin seeking.

What can you tell me about that song, Red13? Really, I'm serious. I'm pretty conservative, not an adventurous person, so I just don't get the latent meanings.

My understanding on Journey's songwriting is, before JC came along, SP carried the main load for the lyrical contents to their songs. Greg did some writing, but the others were mainly musicians. The music was always good, but some of those early songs, I mean, are so lame--lyrically challenged.

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:25 am

2 words.
"Barely Legal." (Jellyroll love). And again, you can't tell just by listening, this came out later in interviews.

by **NealIsGod** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:26 am

annie89509 wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Valory may have had a hand in the Can Do lyrical travesty, as he has a cowrite.

Homemade Love, though, is fantastic.
Lyrics might sound weird at first glance, but the latent meanings are pure RNR sin seeking.

What can you tell me about that song, Red13? Really, I'm serious. I'm pretty conservative, not an adventurous person, so I just don't get the latent meanings.

My understanding on Journey's songwriting is, before JC came along, SP carried the main load for the lyrical contents to their songs. Greg did some writing, but the others were mainly musicians. The music was always good, but some of those early songs, I mean, are so lame--lyrically challenged.

Maybe so, but you also have plenty of gems in there.

"Where were you little darlin' when you said to pick you up after school?
I don't mind little lady cuz your sister's lookin' real good to me..."

by **AlteredDNA** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:27 am

annie89509 wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Valory may have had a hand in the Can Do lyrical travesty, as he has a cowrite.

Homemade Love, though, is fantastic.
Lyrics might sound weird at first glance, but the latent meanings are pure RNR sin seeking.

What can you tell me about that song, Red13? Really, I'm serious. I'm pretty conservative, not an adventurous person, so I just don't get the latent meanings.

My understanding on Journey's songwriting is, before JC came along, SP carried the main load for the lyrical contents to their songs. Greg did some writing, but the others were mainly musicians. The music was always good, but some of those early songs, I mean, are so lame--lyrically challenged.

Surely you jest....

Oh, oo.
Oo, baby.
I love cookin with honey.
I love to make you feel funny.
I love the way you do.
I want, I want it with you, yeah.
Homemade love, jelly roll love.
Homemade love.

I need a jelly roll sweetie.
Now, spread it oh spread it on me, babe.
Feels so good, on the top.
Spread it around, baby, till I drop ya.
Homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.

Oh, baby, oh baby,
I know you love it.
Homemade love, oh, baby.
I know you love it.
So love it.

Oh, homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.
Homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.
Oh, baby, baby, baby
Homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.

Oo, smokin,
Oo, baby, youre burnin
Oo, baby, its boilin, ah.

by **ohsherrie** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:35 am

NealIsGod wrote:
brywool wrote:It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

That's how I feel about the whole TBF album.

The "Neal just smelled his own fart" avatar is back.

by **Deb** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:37 am

ohsherrie wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
brywool wrote:It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

That's how I feel about the whole TBF album.

The "Neal just smelled his own fart" avatar is back.

And would you just looky at that sig. Is that a little prezzy for us loons on St. Paddy's day, Niggy? :lol:

by **annie89509** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:38 am

NealIsGod wrote:
brywool wrote:It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

That's how I feel about the whole TBF album.

C'mon, you guys. TBF, the song, is a masterpiece. I get the message in it. The album, while not for every rocker's taste, is also good, not great, but a good Journey record. Take a few of the slow songs out, make it a 12-song album, and it would have been a great Journey comeback album.

Arrival is supposed to be more "Journey sounding", but it also had too many tracks in it. After the 1st 4 or 5 songs, which I thought were very good, SA started sounding (and singing) the same songs down the line. I lost interest and couldn't wait for the record to be over.

by **NealIsGod** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:41 am

Deb wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
brywool wrote:It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

That's how I feel about the whole TBF album.

The "Neal just smelled his own fart" avatar is back.

And would you just looky at that sig. Is that a little prezzy for us loons on St. Paddy's day, Niggy?

I give and give to you loons 'til it hurts, Deb.

by **Deb** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:46 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Deb wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
brywool wrote:It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

That's how I feel about the whole TBF album.

The "Neal just smelled his own fart" avatar is back.

And would you just looky at that sig. Is that a little prezzy for us loons on St. Paddy's day, Niggy?

I give and give to you loons 'til it hurts, Deb.

But ya know, we are going to be expecting an Easter one next, eh?! :lol:

by **NealIsGod** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:46 am

Deb wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Deb wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
brywool wrote:It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

That's how I feel about the whole TBF album.

The "Neal just smelled his own fart" avatar is back.

And would you just looky at that sig. Is that a little prezzy for us loons on St. Paddy's day, Niggy?

I give and give to you loons 'til it hurts, Deb.

But ya know, we are going to be expecting an Easter one next, eh?!

Oh, it's ready, Deb. I will unveil it tomorrow.

by **atanarjuat** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:54 am

Why can't this night go on forever.

by **ohsherrie** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:58 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Deb wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Deb wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
brywool wrote:It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

That's how I feel about the whole TBF album.

The "Neal just smelled his own fart" avatar is back.

And would you just looky at that sig. Is that a little prezzy for us loons on St. Paddy's day, Niggy?

I give and give to you loons 'til it hurts, Deb.

But ya know, we are going to be expecting an Easter one next, eh?!

Oh, it's ready, Deb. I will unveil it tomorrow.

Thanks Niggy. You're too kind.

by **annie89509** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:48 am

atanarjuat wrote:Why can't this night go on forever.

(sigh) This is my favorite SP &Journey song of all-time. If I'm not such a nice person, I would get into a fight with you over saying that. :evil:

by **Sarah** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:10 am

AlteredDNA wrote:Surely you jest....
[homemade love lyrics]

I really hope you didn't just assert that Homemade Love is a lyrically deep song.

by **STORY_TELLER** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:12 pm

brywool wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
brywool wrote:Just the Rain
Trial by Fire

BEST:

Little Girl
Why Can't This Night Go On Forever

Trial By Fire is certainly no ballad. It is however one of the best Journey songs every recorded, a whole new level of song writing for the lads from Journey that day

it ain't no rock song either. It's a meandering piece of garbage. terrible song that goes NOWHERE.

I love TBF. Fantastically cinematic atmospheric song. Tremendous mood and a great pull from Neal's beyond the thunder CD approach to just putting across a feeling. If anyone could put words and melodies to Neal's beyond the thunder tracks and make it work, it's Perry and that's what I think they did here.

by **Lula** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:11 pm

conversationpc wrote:Loved By You
Don't Be Down on Me Baby
Stay Awhile

shame on you!!

i love stay awhile...... swoon

by **Deb** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:23 pm

Lula wrote:
conversationpc wrote:Loved By You
Don't Be Down on Me Baby
Stay Awhile

shame on you!! i love stay awhile...... swoon

Love that one too! Didn't know Journey put out a video for it either? :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2snwPYriY

by **annie89509** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:45 pm

AlteredDNA wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Valory may have had a hand in the Can Do lyrical travesty, as he has a cowrite.

Homemade Love, though, is fantastic.
Lyrics might sound weird at first glance, but the latent meanings are pure RNR sin seeking.

What can you tell me about that song, Red13? Really, I'm serious. I'm pretty conservative, not an adventurous person, so I just don't get the latent meanings.

My understanding on Journey's songwriting is, before JC came along, SP carried the main load for the lyrical contents to their songs. Greg did some writing, but the others were mainly musicians. The music was always good, but some of those early songs, I mean, are so lame--lyrically challenged.

Surely you jest....

Oh, oo.
Oo, baby.
I love cookin with honey.
I love to make you feel funny.
I love the way you do.
I want, I want it with you, yeah.
Homemade love, jelly roll love.
Homemade love.

I need a jelly roll sweetie.
Now, spread it oh spread it on me, babe.
Feels so good, on the top.
Spread it around, baby, till I drop ya.
Homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.

Oh, baby, oh baby,
I know you love it.
Homemade love, oh, baby.
I know you love it.
So love it.

Oh, homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.
Homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.
Oh, baby, baby, baby
Homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.

Oo, smokin,
Oo, baby, youre burnin
Oo, baby, its boilin, ah.

OMG! I'm not a prude, but those lyrics are just not right :lol:

What could SP be thinking of when he put those lyrics in that song.

by **SusieP** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:13 pm

"Faithfully" makes me skip to the next track.

I like "Open Arms" though, so call me contrary. I can take it. :lol:

and I like "Its Just The Rain" - purely because of that high note Perry sings near the end. I wait for that moment and when he sings it....wow! It makes up for the twee song IMO.

by **Lady Luck** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:40 pm

AlteredDNA wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Valory may have had a hand in the Can Do lyrical travesty, as he has a cowrite.

Homemade Love, though, is fantastic.
Lyrics might sound weird at first glance, but the latent meanings are pure RNR sin seeking.

What can you tell me about that song, Red13? Really, I'm serious. I'm pretty conservative, not an adventurous person, so I just don't get the latent meanings.

My understanding on Journey's songwriting is, before JC came along, SP carried the main load for the lyrical contents to their songs. Greg did some writing, but the others were mainly musicians. The music was always good, but some of those early songs, I mean, are so lame--lyrically challenged.

Surely you jest....

Oh, oo.
Oo, baby.
I love cookin with honey.
I love to make you feel funny.
I love the way you do.
I want, I want it with you, yeah.
Homemade love, jelly roll love.
Homemade love.

I need a jelly roll sweetie.
Now, spread it oh spread it on me, babe.
Feels so good, on the top.
Spread it around, baby, till I drop ya.
Homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.

Oh, baby, oh baby,
I know you love it.
Homemade love, oh, baby.
I know you love it.
So love it.

Oh, homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.
Homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.
Oh, baby, baby, baby
Homemade love, hot jelly roll love.
Homemade love.

Oo, smokin,
Oo, baby, youre burnin
Oo, baby, its boilin, ah.

If that doesn't say let's do the weekie-weekie-wah-wah, I don't know what does. :lol:

by **sniper16** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:04 am

why cant this night go on... pure drivel should havebeen on the solo album...

by **daytrpr** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:47 am

Why Can't This Night Go on Forever is a terrible song. Sounds like a bad parody of Faithfully.

by **Since 78** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:53 am

Cant think of one at the moment, I am amazed at how many people dislike such classic material. Open Arms? faithfully? STAY AWHILE?

MR

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