Arnel hitting a really bad note recently at the 1:55 mark..

[NealIsGod]

Mine either... Especially considering certain people here come into any and every thread just to post something negative about the band in some way and then hide behind the "I'm entitled to my opinion" defense. If a post starts off with some praise for the band in some way, certain people come in and try to drag it down. If it starts out as a dig against the band, those same certain people jump on it and run... Seems pretty clear to me

Well thank God the moderators here don't try to neuter the posters of this forum like the official board does. As long as you can post your opinion without attacking someone, there should be no problem.

[conversationpc]

Mine either... Especially considering certain people here come into any and every thread just to post something negative about the band in some way and then hide behind the "I'm entitled to my opinion" defense. If a post starts off with some praise for the band in some way, certain people come in and try to drag it down. If it starts out as a dig against the band, those same certain people jump on it and run... Seems pretty clear to me

Well thank God the moderators here don't try to neuter the posters of this forum like the official board does. As long as you can post your opinion without attacking someone, there should be no problem.

Exactly.

[T-Bone]

As I've always said, "Opinions aren't the problem, it's the delivery".

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole. It's a decision that a band made and cannot be changed or altered by anyone other than that band. Get over it already and move on. If your life revolves around what a specific band does, then you should be on a couch somewhere answering "And how do you feel about that?" questions...

[strangegrey]

As I've always said, "Opinions aren't the problem, it's the delivery".

Whatever bone.

I don't like your delivery either...I guess we're even.

[stevew2]

As I've always said, "Opinions aren't the problem, it's the delivery".

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole. It's a decision that a band made and cannot be changed or altered by anyone other than that band. Get over it already and move on. If your life revolves around what a specific band does, then you should be on a couch somewhere answering "And how do you feel about that?" questions...

As Sir Elton John would say "All Deliveries In The Rear"

[T-Bone]

As I've always said, "Opinions aren't the problem, it's the delivery".

Whatever bone.

I don't like your delivery either...I guess we're even.

Well Francis... The difference in my delivery, is that mine are for the good of this board and keeping the peace. The purpose of YOUR delivery is obvious... And not just to me...

[NealIsGod]

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

[Rick]

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

Augeri and the band deserved it. Arnel hasn't screwed up. yet

[NealIsGod]

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

Augeri and the band deserved it. Arnel hasn't screwed up. yet

Augeri sacrificed his voice for the band and by all accounts was a great guy. I don' see how that is screwing up. I hope Arnel doesn't suffer the same fate.

[Rockindeano]

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

Was not Augeri part of the Band? Trust me, he was the most upset of anyone, when told they were going live in Charlotte, during the final weeks.

[stevew2]

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

Was not Augeri part of the Band? Trust me, he was the most upset of anyone, when told they were going live in Charlotte, during the final weeks.

That was wrong, they shouldnt have done that. They knew he would fail, they should have just brought Jeff in earlier and not just thrown him out there. Sick M Fckrs

[Rick]

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

Was not Augeri part of the Band? Trust me, he was the most upset of anyone, when told they were going live in Charlotte, during the final weeks.

That was wrong, they shouldnt have done that. They knew he would fail, they should have just brought Jeff in earlier and not just thrown him out there. Sick M Fckrs

Ditto.

[Soto All The Way]

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

Augeri and the band deserved it. Arnel hasn't screwed up. yet

Augeri sacrificed his voice for the band and by all accounts was a great guy. I don' see how that is screwing up. I hope Arnel doesn't suffer the same fate.

Isn't that the truth.....

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[Aaron]

I'd argue that if Augeri was really part of the band, they would have canceled dates, throttled back on the overall schedule and given his voice time to heal. Steve gave his voice to that band and was a great guy. The band milked him for everything he was worth and then shit canned him. Everyone in that band knew what was going on with TG. Now I'd say they are sick fucks.

Augeri took a lot of abuse on this board that was not completely deserved. Like you said, Arnel hasn't taken 1/1000th of the shit that Augeri did.

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

Was not Augeri part of the Band? Trust me, he was the most upset of anyone, when told they were going live in Charlotte, during the final weeks.

That was wrong, they shouldnt have done that. They knew he would fail, they should have just brought Jeff in earlier and not just thrown him out there. Sick M Fckrs

[Vladan]

Well Arnel may of sung that part an octave higher or lower, or whatever, but atleast he carried the note! he still sounded powerfull, even if he may of been "out of tune" which I don't believe he was, I just feel that he did a different arrangement, but if it were Perry - nobody would give that a second thought.

You're kidding right? He sounded like ass. There's no power behind a missed note like that. Sorry. If you know anything about singing, you'll know that most missed notes are a result of either a lack of power or an inability to project power at the time the mis-note was sung.

In this particular case, you're giving credit to arnel's voice for the 'power' you hear...and completely discrediting the fact that a microphone was 2 inches from his teeth and the soundman wasn't enough on the ball to drop the faders to get rid of the putrid note.

Listen...everyone fucks up while singing....well, the person that original sang arnels parts never did....but most motal humans fuck up....so this is not the issue.

What's more so the issue is that it seems that there's a whole horde of arneliots jumping in to throw excuse after excuse as the reason for why he fucked up that note. Instead of just saying "yeah, the guy isn't as perfect as I once thought!"

Sorry, the guy tried to hit a 5th, and made a complete ass out of the note....move on.


If Exotic Journey tours Arnel the way they toured between 2002 and 2006, there's going to be ALOT more fucked up notes to talk about. This is just the first of many. The true fun is yet to come....

Interesting. You know Strangegrey, I am just as annoyed at the current lineup as yourself, and agree with you on many points. But I also feel your very passionate as well, but it can also come across perhaps somewhat angry, but also very negotive, and that's fine with me, I can deal with it. But personally I feel, isn't it a waiste of energy? I mean it takes more energy and strength to hate something then to love, and love comes natural, but hate is self created, and it takes alot of inner strength to truley hate something with passion. I just find it not worth it, unless you wanto give yourself a heart attack or add extra wrinkles to your face

Really, i'd be interested to see what Jeremey Hunsicker would say? the reason why I ask, is because I feel he knows what it takes to perform live, and he does post here from time to time, i'd like to see what his thoughts are.

[stevew2]

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

Was not Augeri part of the Band? Trust me, he was the most upset of anyone, when told they were going live in Charlotte, during the final weeks.

That was wrong, they shouldnt have done that. They knew he would fail, they should have just brought Jeff in earlier and not just thrown him out there. Sick M Fckrs

Ditto.

Im glad we can agree on that one Rick

[Rick]

But... In certain cases, the constant negative remarks from the same people over and over do nothing for the board as a whole.

But it was OK when it was Augeri being bashed, huh? Arnel hasn't been put through 1/1000th of the abuse that Augeri experienced in this forum during TG, even though the use of tapes was a band decision, not Augeri's.

Was not Augeri part of the Band? Trust me, he was the most upset of anyone, when told they were going live in Charlotte, during the final weeks.

That was wrong, they shouldnt have done that. They knew he would fail, they should have just brought Jeff in earlier and not just thrown him out there. Sick M Fckrs

Ditto.

Im glad we can agree on that one Rick

[Red13JoePa]

Augeri is alright in my book.
Some great vocal work from 98-02 and then the highpoint of his career with Generations.

Odd part is, with all our revisionist latter day "Huge Augeri Supporters" that are here now because it is another sniper's platform from to blast away at Journey there are about 5 people here now who never made a single Gap or toilet cleaning joke from the moment tapegate broke until when JJS got ousted it suddenly became OK to like Augeri's singing again.

There are about 3 who never went away until the issue was resolved and we know who we are, the rest merely have the classic "agenda."

[Rick]

Augeri is alright in my book.
Some great vocal work from 98-02 and then the highpoint of his career with Generations.

Odd part is, with all our revisionist latter day "Huge Augeri Supporters" that are here now because it is another sniper's platform from to blast away at Journey there are about 5 people here now who never made a single Gap or toilet cleaning joke from the moment tapegate broke until when JJS got ousted it suddenly became OK to like Augeri's singing again.

There are about 3 who never went away until the issue was resolved and we know who we are, the rest merely have the classic "agenda."

I think people realized that SA shouldn't be held completely responsible after they saw how badly JSS was treated. I would have no idea how it all went down, but I get the feeling that he was strongly urged to continue and then left hung out to dry.

[stevew2]

Augeri is alright in my book.
Some great vocal work from 98-02 and then the highpoint of his career with Generations.

Odd part is, with all our revisionist latter day "Huge Augeri Supporters" that are here now because it is another sniper's platform from to blast away at Journey there are about 5 people here now who never made a single Gap or toilet cleaning joke from the moment tapegate broke until when JJS got ousted it suddenly became OK to like Augeri's singing again.

There are about 3 who never went away until the issue was resolved and we know who we are, the rest merely have the classic "agenda."

I never trashed Steve A. Although he had many vocal problems on and off with Journey,Ive always thought he tried his best. Once the lipping started it went down hill. Steve and the whole band was to blame for that.Ive been called names, and made fun of because of my support for him and my spelling issues,Bottom line they shouldnt have threw him out there without the tapes when they played 2 years with them.And to fire Jeff behinf his back was really low class. I was at The Hershey concert{right before Steves last concert}, I saw inhalers, cups of tea and all kinds of stuff to try to get him thru the gig,he struggled and was in pain.He never smiled. I was 2 feet from him That should have been his last gig.People say I am a bitter troll, this is why.It didnt have to happen that way.They denied everything blamed it in Steve A,but never addmited to anything, even blamed the whole story on an obbessed fan , {we know who that was} I have no beef with Arnel he is just trying to get ahead. The band is what sucks, They let me and many fans {and my daughter} down I cant forgive them for the fiasco they pulled, and will countiue to pull

[Red13JoePa]

Again occupational hazzard.
ALL parties, perry, Augeri (and most likely JSS though I dare not speak on his behalf) have been apty compensated and moved on, unlike the online "singer fanatic" contingent that (unfortunately, and via no fault of our own) seems to bind us here.

[Calbear94]

He was obviously trying to hit the high harmony that Perry did on the studio cut, but missed it by a mile.

What does Neal and Jon think about Arnel going on TV shows and singing Journey songs without them?

Eight promoters vying for the Manila concert? I don't think they mind, plus I doubt they would be willing to fly the whole band to Asia to do this kind of promotion.

[Andrew]

And more mentions of the band coming to Australia, yet I have heard of no promoter that has requested costings.

Perhaps they are planning to ride into town with Def Leppard??

[RocknRoll]

And more mentions of the band coming to Australia, yet I have heard of no promoter that has requested costings.

Perhaps they are planning to ride into town with Def Leppard??

That would be my bet.

[Vocalsmanvocals]

This post was not intended to give Arnel a bad rap at all....it was to show Arnel to watch himself vocally at all times...stay in tune and on pitch. Ya, even a singer is entitled to a bad night or hit a bad note.

I saw the clip and felt like I had to post it here on this board..I know someone in Arnel's camp has to read this board. This board is worldwide!! If a person does not know what they are doing wrong, they are not going to correct it.

Arnel has done an excellent job so far and I am truly excited him to see him succeed with Journey. Can't wait to see em out on tour and for the new CD to come out

BTW, this board is one of the best, if not the best, by a mile Andrew for all up to date info, discussion, ect...Kudos to you!!

[Rick]

And more mentions of the band coming to Australia, yet I have heard of no promoter that has requested costings.

Perhaps they are planning to ride into town with Def Leppard??

You going?

[Andrew]

BTW, this board is one of the best, if not the best, by a mile Andrew for all up to date info, discussion, ect...Kudos to you!!

Thank you for that. Means a lot. Very cool...

[Andrew]

And more mentions of the band coming to Australia, yet I have heard of no promoter that has requested costings.

Perhaps they are planning to ride into town with Def Leppard??

You going?

Mmm.....can't see that happening, but you never know. I don't think Journey will reach AU, but there'd be some long time fans that would love to see that finally happen.