Never Walk Away...Here's Studio Version from WPYX NY

[STORY_TELLER]

It's about revisiting a song they already made. As Andrew touted, it's "Be Good To Yourself" (among others which also revisited Be Good to Yourself). That's called rehashing old material and calling it new material. Remember Me was a new original song that had the Journey sound. It didn't reinvent the wheel, right? But guess what? It was a "new" song. Not rehashed. Not recycled. NEW. ...I really feel like a broken record repeating this so often.

Oh, I see. Well, some would call that having a "signature sound"...AC/DC does it, Boston did it, other bands have done it...

I don't see it as a "rehash" or "rewrite" of "BGTY" or "BIM"....but its def got a similar vibe (and why shouldn't it, the same guitarist plays all 3 songs)...but so does "Love Don't Come Easy" by White Lion....similar vibe...in fact, when I was listening to "Never Walk Away", there was a point after the first chorus where I was reminded of "Tell Me" from White Lion. Were they rehashing WL? No...its simply a song with a similar vibe, IMO. The new song shares more of a vibe with these other songs than it is an example of "rehashing".

Anyway, I probably sound like I'm splitting hairs now. I don't mind Journey sounding like Journey...

Okay, then I have to believe you don't have much of an ear for these things. The chord progression between NWA and BGTY are identical. The chorus melody and backing vocals are identical. This song (NWA) is about as original as when a car commercial pays studio musicians to alter a classic hit just enough to get around legal copyright infringements so they don't have to pay licensing fees to the originating artists. By your logic, that car commercial lift would be considered a new song. After all, they changed it enough, right?

[youkeepmewaiting]

It's about revisiting a song they already made. As Andrew touted, it's "Be Good To Yourself" (among others which also revisited Be Good to Yourself). That's called rehashing old material and calling it new material. Remember Me was a new original song that had the Journey sound. It didn't reinvent the wheel, right? But guess what? It was a "new" song. Not rehashed. Not recycled. NEW. ...I really feel like a broken record repeating this so often.

Oh, I see. Well, some would call that having a "signature sound"...AC/DC does it, Boston did it, other bands have done it...

I don't see it as a "rehash" or "rewrite" of "BGTY" or "BIM"....but its def got a similar vibe (and why shouldn't it, the same guitarist plays all 3 songs)...but so does "Love Don't Come Easy" by White Lion....similar vibe...in fact, when I was listening to "Never Walk Away", there was a point after the first chorus where I was reminded of "Tell Me" from White Lion. Were they rehashing WL? No...its simply a song with a similar vibe, IMO. The new song shares more of a vibe with these other songs than it is an example of "rehashing".

Anyway, I probably sound like I'm splitting hairs now. I don't mind Journey sounding like Journey...

Okay, then I have to believe you don't have much of an ear for these things. The chord progression between NWA and BGTY are identical. The chorus melody and backing vocals are identical. This song (NWA) is about as original as when a car commercial pays studio musicians to alter a classic hit just enough to get around legal copyright infringements so they don't have to pay licensing fees to the originating artists. By your logic, that car commercial lift would be considered a new song. After all, they changed it enough, right?

Rehashing an old song? I dont think so

Rehashing an old argument? Yes.

[Pelata]

Now you're just being snippy....

You're right...I'm tone deaf...I don't hear what you hear so I'm obviously an ignorant sheep. It's not like I'm a musician or anything...

Later...

[SF-Dano]

I think this is exactly the sound that Journey needs as their last shot at a comeback. It is actually a very catchy tune and almost instantly identifiable as Journey. It is way too late in the game for them to drastically change their musical style and still try to be commercially successful. This single is already getting airplay in some areas which is more than I can say for Arrival. And I really like Arrival.

If this release brings no larger recognition than Arrival or Gens, then Journey will do the concert tour thing a couple more summers and then I think they will call it quits. My opinion. Then creativity may come back into play for these musicians on solo or other projects as they will not be trying for mass appeal. Hell, I would love an Abraxas Pool reunion in a few years down the line. Or maybe Schon can drag Jan Hammer out of hibernation. Endless possibilities for the future.

The Journey has to come to an end sometime, and IMO the next few years are the last leg of the trek. Enjoy it while it is here.

[MCC620]

"Be Good To Yourself" and "Believe In Me"???? Yep, clear as day to these ears!!!

I immediately thought that when I first heard it yesterday. I'm sorry, everybody, sure it sounds like Journey, but I thought that I already have these songs in my collection, so why would I go and pay for them again????

Even though I haven't purchased a single thing from them since the last show I attended (a couple of years ago), I feel like I was just ripped off, for God's sake. I know that they re-recorded the classics (yeah, whatever), but now it seems that they can't even record an original tune anymore.

I honestly had to stop listening to it, because it was starting to really piss me off. If I want to hear the same thing over and over, I'll go pull out the original recordings (hell, to me, they're better!). Nothing to get all excited over, IMO. Good yeah, but (also) done already.

Not impressed. :::yawn:::

Debbie

THANK YOU

Finally someone who gets it!

a couple of us do

Tell me exactly what it is that you get that I and others don't. Please.

rick i don't want to argue with you, but rocker chic, myself , storyteller and some others feel this way. someone mentioned how remember me was fresh and new but still sounded like journey, so they are capable of doing it. it's just a matter of not rushing into putting out a new cd. working on the music, creating the music. getting the feel for the new singer, getting his input. that's what creativity is about....putting your heart and soul and faith into something. they haven't done that in a very, very long time.

[Rocker Chic]

I think people are overreacting over one song on a CD with 10 more on it (albeit one of those is a remake )

Not that I feel you are referring to me, NIG, but just to explain...

I'm only reacting to the one song that I recently heard. Instead of causing me to focus on the new :::cough, cough::: material, I kept singing other songs in my head. Not something you would think that an artist (especially one who already wrote these other songs before) would neccessarily want, much less strive for.

Either we are being taken as gullible idiots or mindless drones... Neither of which is sitting well with me and I chose to say so.

Debbie

[STORY_TELLER]

"Be Good To Yourself" and "Believe In Me"???? Yep, clear as day to these ears!!!

I immediately thought that when I first heard it yesterday. I'm sorry, everybody, sure it sounds like Journey, but I thought that I already have these songs in my collection, so why would I go and pay for them again????

Even though I haven't purchased a single thing from them since the last show I attended (a couple of years ago), I feel like I was just ripped off, for God's sake. I know that they re-recorded the classics (yeah, whatever), but now it seems that they can't even record an original tune anymore.

I honestly had to stop listening to it, because it was starting to really piss me off. If I want to hear the same thing over and over, I'll go pull out the original recordings (hell, to me, they're better!). Nothing to get all excited over, IMO. Good yeah, but (also) done already.

Not impressed. :::yawn:::

Debbie

THANK YOU

Finally someone who gets it!

a couple of us do

Tell me exactly what it is that you get that I and others don't. Please.

rick i don't want to argue with you, but rocker chic, myself , storyteller and some others feel this way. someone mentioned how remember me was fresh and new but still sounded like journey, so they are capable of doing it. it's just a matter of not rushing into putting out a new cd. working on the music, creating the music. getting the feel for the new singer, getting his input. that's what creativity is about....putting your heart and soul and faith into something. they haven't done that in a very, very long time.

Exactly right. And I'm the one who mentioned the Remember Me example. This is about effort guys. Not reinventing the wheel.

[amaron]

"Be Good To Yourself" and "Believe In Me"???? Yep, clear as day to these ears!!!

I immediately thought that when I first heard it yesterday. I'm sorry, everybody, sure it sounds like Journey, but I thought that I already have these songs in my collection, so why would I go and pay for them again????

Even though I haven't purchased a single thing from them since the last show I attended (a couple of years ago), I feel like I was just ripped off, for God's sake. I know that they re-recorded the classics (yeah, whatever), but now it seems that they can't even record an original tune anymore.

I honestly had to stop listening to it, because it was starting to really piss me off. If I want to hear the same thing over and over, I'll go pull out the original recordings (hell, to me, they're better!). Nothing to get all excited over, IMO. Good yeah, but (also) done already.

Not impressed. :::yawn:::

Debbie

THANK YOU

Finally someone who gets it!

a couple of us do

Tell me exactly what it is that you get that I and others don't. Please.

rick i don't want to argue with you, but rocker chic, myself , storyteller and some others feel this way. someone mentioned how remember me was fresh and new but still sounded like journey, so they are capable of doing it. it's just a matter of not rushing into putting out a new cd. working on the music, creating the music. getting the feel for the new singer, getting his input. that's what creativity is about....putting your heart and soul and faith into something. they haven't done that in a very, very long time.

Exactly right. And I'm the one who mentioned the Remember Me example. This is about effort guys. Not reinventing the wheel.

The decisions that Journey have made since 2001 puzzle me every time I think about them.

[mistiejourney]

How can any Journey fan not like this song?

Because they're fucking morons!

Yawn. That is my reaction to this song. Recycled and nothing interesting except Neal's guitar. If you love it, great. But I don't love it. I am a longtime Journey fan and not a fucking moron, so there goes your theory.

I was just writing in and wanted my first word to be "Yawn", though I wasn't going to actually write it. It's stuff off of TBF, Arrival, Generations, yadda yadda. People will here it and go wow - classic Journey sound, but that's about it, I suspect.

Remember when every Journey album sounded different? Those were the good 'ol days. Innovation. But I wasn't expecting much anyway. Better than Augeri - nowhere near Perry. I still think JSS would have been a much bolder and challenging choice. This is cookie cutter. And I am not a moron either.

It's not horrible though. Just sort of the same as before.

I'm not a moron, either (just thought I'd add that in).

Maybe it's too early to hear any influence Arnel may have on the sound, after all, these were written before he was hired. I keep thinking, "don't be hasty, wait....wait for the CD". Well, I've really tried to keep an open mind - I WANTED to be blown away. The song is good, really it is - but Journey had an amazing chance to versify with JSS (no nasty comments, please - I'm not dwelling on it, just stating my opinion) and they chose to keep the "classic" sound. Well, they did!

It's so classic, it's indistinguishable from anything Journey has done since TBF.

I guess when it was "SHOW ME THE MONEY" time, they sold out themselves and their brother/friend/real deal-of-the-month.

And I think I am just about to post something that will get me slaughtered on the board for the first time.

[STORY_TELLER]

Now you're just being snippy....

You're right...I'm tone deaf...I don't hear what you hear so I'm obviously an ignorant sheep. It's not like I'm a musician or anything...

Later...

If you're a musician, then go play back BGTY and NWA and follow the chord progressions. You'll see how identical they are. Listen to the chorus, to the backing vocals. You're going to tell me this is all coincidence? That it happened by accident? Right...

There was intent to revisit a song they already made. That's shameful and it's beneath the talent in the band called Journey. Neal is better than this.

[youkeepmewaiting]

It's a fucking song, get over it. Grow up people. Whining about a song...

[STORY_TELLER]

I think people are overreacting over one song on a CD with 10 more on it (albeit one of those is a remake )

Not that I feel you are referring to me, NIG, but just to explain...

I'm only reacting to the one song that I recently heard. Instead of causing me to focus on the new :::cough, cough::: material, I kept singing other songs in my head. Not something you would think that an artist (especially one who already wrote these other songs before) would neccessarily want, much less strive for.

Either we are being taken as gullible idiots or mindless drones... Neither of which is sitting well with me and I chose to say so.

Debbie

I love this girl.....!

[frfksakes]

any chance of another repost? keep getting error download limit-ERIC

fyi - "Saveafile" is similar to "yousendit," but allows unlimited downloads:

Welcome to Savefile File Hosting http://www.savefile.com/


Our filesize limit is 60MB (can register for more space) and each file can be downloaded unlimited times.
Savefile is completly free to use,

*bump* and hint hint Can some kind soul please refresh the upload (or put it on saveafile [unlimited - see above...] )

Thanks!

[Rocker Chic]

I love this girl.....!

Aw, shucks... Story Teller, I think I love you, too. :::batting eyelashes:::

It just so happens that you have one of my favorite men as your avatar. Coincidence??? I think not.

Debbie

[mistiejourney]

Very glad that classic rock is back. Reminds me of the 80's and the music I listened to. Yeah, definitely a 5150 resemblance, but never the less, love Arnel's voice, the chores and the guitar track. I'm definetely in line for the album release. Fuck....now all I need to do if find a Walmart nearest me and get mapquest to help me get there.

You can pre-order it through WalMart's website, I bet! I did that for REO.

[MrsPerry]

this kind soul is glad to help out.....least that is the story anyway.......




Enjoy kiddies.


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[Red13JoePa]

I think people are overreacting over one song on a CD with 10 more on it (albeit one of those is a remake )

Yes, indeed.
And my GOD do they pound on it post after post after nauseating post.

[cyndy!]

If you're a musician, then go play back BGTY and NWA and follow the chord progressions. You'll see how identical they are. Listen to the chorus, to the backing vocals. You're going to tell me this is all coincidence? That it happened by accident? Right...

There was intent to revisit a song they already made. That's shameful and it's beneath the talent in the band called Journey. Neal is better than this.

i agree. i know neal can do much better than this. who knows, maybe other powers that be pressured the band into releasing something that was very familiar for the first single. i don't dislike the song, but it doesn't really move me. i'll give it another listen when the cd is released & i can hear a higher quality version on a good sound system.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I think this is exactly the sound that Journey needs as their last shot at a comeback. It is actually a very catchy tune and almost instantly identifiable as Journey. It is way too late in the game for them to drastically change their musical style and still try to be commercially successful.

I agree 100% with you, and I really didn't expect Journey to release anything other than something classic Journey-sounding with this first single. They are introducing yet another new lead singer. They're going to want to show people that they still have that classic, feel-good sound. And Never Walk Away fits that perfectly. Now the bug is in people's ears. There still could be some parts of the new album that are a new sound, like people are calling for. But why would they lead with that song with a new singer? Never Walk Away was the only choice they really had.

And I agree with NIG that people are getting too worked up over one song. They're Journey. They have a formula that sounds like Journey. And the radio people and common fans are already saying that Never Walk Away sounds like classic Journey. That a success, in my book.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

How can any Journey fan not like this song?

I like it too - altho i can deffo hear BGTY in there - would be great if they had a hit - its time the charts had some decent music again......

[Pelata]

Now you're just being snippy....

You're right...I'm tone deaf...I don't hear what you hear so I'm obviously an ignorant sheep. It's not like I'm a musician or anything...

Later...

If you're a musician, then go play back BGTY and NWA and follow the chord progressions. You'll see how identical they are. Listen to the chorus, to the backing vocals. You're going to tell me this is all coincidence? That it happened by accident? Right...

There was intent to revisit a song they already made. That's shameful and it's beneath the talent in the band called Journey. Neal is better than this.

Neal has always been better than Journey...even he thinks so...one reason he tries to "shred" all his leads these days...

I'm not splitting hairs with you anymore, bro. You obviously feel ripped off and I can't help you. I don't see it as a rehash of anything, I see it as a band putting out music in what has become their signature style. If it's good, it's good and, rehash or not, that is a strong, catchy song.

[swataz]

Just listened to it for first time, sounds pretty much like the original except for a few embelishments on guitar here and there and Neal's solo originally I think was a bit more interesting on the demo we did. I may get pilloried for saying this, but I am not getting a Steve Perry vibe from Arnel's vocals. It sounds like a Journey track, but it really does sound more like Jimi Jamison or someone like that with a bit more directness in their delivery than Perry. I guess that's good or bad depending on how you look at it. There's something specific about Arnel's delivery that I find a little distracting. I think it's the crescendos he does when he holds out notes...Like "slowly come undooOONNE." Ah well....Looking forward to hearing the CD!

Great job on this, Jeremey...I think it is a damn good tune!!

[swataz]

this kind soul is glad to help out.....least that is the story anyway.......




Enjoy kiddies.


http://www.savefile.com/files/1521176

Thanks for the upload.

I can't wait to hear the track in all of it's direct from CD glory, the radio recordings lack that depth to really get the feel for what the song can actually be when it is 'full'.

But, this will DEFINITELY do for now! Again, thank u!

[SteveForever]

It's a fucking song, get over it. Grow up people. Whining about a song...

.....really only matters who goes to Wal-Mart and who doesn't now don't it?

[YoungJRNY]

Ok, lets get this straight.

Never Walk Away sounds like Be Good to Yourself..Believe in Me sounds like Never Walk away, which means Believe in me also sounds like a Be Good to Yourself, but if you really want to get techinical, Never Walk away sounds like Never Too late AND Be Good to Yourself, which means Believe in Me is a rip off of Be Good to Yourself, but at the same time it is a mixure of Never too Late and Never Walk Away...making it Never Walk Away?


This is a headache people. I'm just going to listen to the song because I like it, and it's catchy and has an upbeat tempo feel. It's working out pretty good for me, maybe you should try it!

[frfksakes]

this kind soul is glad to help out.....least that is the story anyway.......


Enjoy kiddies.
http://www.savefile.com/files/1521176

you've got my vote

Thank you!!

[Pelata]

I'm just going to listen to the song because I like it,

WINNER!!!!

[lights1961]

NEVER GIVE UP NEVER WALK AWAY, great catchy lyric---and I am liking it more and more as i listen to the song--and all you critics... it is just a song.
I can see this being played 20 years from now on radio if this is still considered classic rock or not!!

Rick

[ProgRocker53]

Personally I really like the song. However, numerous people have said that they wish the band would have gone in a new direction with JSS and how this song is just a retread of old Journey material. Now in this same thread people are saying this sounds just like a song that JSS did. Not trying to start anything here, but does that make sense to anyone? because it doesn't to me. If thats the sound you want, it looks to me like thats the sound you got.

I guess if someone wants a different direction they can find a different band. By definition, fans like a particular band because they like the style, presentation, sound, etc. etc. Jimmy Buffett fans love his island music style, and none of his fans want to hear a new direction. That ain't rockit science. Unless you have a particular ax to grind, if you like the classic Journey sound then I don't see how anyone can bitch about this tune. There are a lot of fantastic JSS CDs out there so what's the problem?

I will always love every Journey song out there, and yes I will always like the style of this music, HOWEVER.. I know the band is much more talented than rehashing old songs. It'd be refreshing and delightful to me to see even just a slight venture off the beaten path, while still retaining the Journey vibe.

As Story_Teller said, Remember Me was an all-original song that was totally Journey. Same deal with Higher Place, Faith in the Heartland, Out of Harms Way, Livin' To Do, Kiss Me Softly, Live and Breathe, Beyond the Clouds, All the Things.... BUT... all of those songs have something "different" about them, that I love.. the guys have proven they have the capability of making a Journeyish song without being within a blatant Journey formula, I'd love to see them do it again and more often...

[Arkansas]

Just listened to it for first time, sounds pretty much like the original except for a few embelishments on guitar here and there and Neal's solo originally I think was a bit more interesting on the demo we did. I may get pilloried for saying this, but I am not getting a Steve Perry vibe from Arnel's vocals. It sounds like a Journey track, but it really does sound more like Jimi Jamison or someone like that with a bit more directness in their delivery than Perry. I guess that's good or bad depending on how you look at it. There's something specific about Arnel's delivery that I find a little distracting. I think it's the crescendos he does when he holds out notes...Like "slowly come undooOONNE." Ah well....Looking forward to hearing the CD!

Jimi Jamison was exactly who I first thought of.
And crucify me if you want, but I can also hear a little of his accent on some words.
Again, it's a good song, but I'm not impressed. There's nothing fresh or exciting about it. Yes, it's likeable because it's Journey, but there's nothing that jumps out and says NEW Journey.



later~