New Cain Interview

[ProgRocker53]

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years, and we would wouldnt be here bashing him would we?

I doubt he minds being "pushed around and used for 8 years" when he looks at his bank account. The guy easily made 5+ million dollars during his tenure. I don't see him running back to The Gap to reclaim his old job so I'm quite sure that his 8 years have allowed him to retire comfortably. Tall Stories sure isn't gonna pay the fucking bills. Granted, he'll have a few rows of female fans whose favorite phrase is "Super Size that please", but concert concessions don't factor into how much the act gets paid. If that were the case, Tall Stories would surpass the Stones.

What does that have to do with anything?
Why do you and Tito consistently throw up dollar signs as a roadblock to any conversation that so much as teeters on criticism?

THANK YOU. SO TRUE!!

[Tito]

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years, and we would wouldnt be here bashing him would we?

I doubt he minds being "pushed around and used for 8 years" when he looks at his bank account. The guy easily made 5+ million dollars during his tenure. I don't see him running back to The Gap to reclaim his old job so I'm quite sure that his 8 years have allowed him to retire comfortably. Tall Stories sure isn't gonna pay the fucking bills. Granted, he'll have a few rows of female fans whose favorite phrase is "Super Size that please", but concert concessions don't factor into how much the act gets paid. If that were the case, Tall Stories would surpass the Stones.

What does that have to do with anything?
Why do you and Tito consistently throw up dollar signs as a roadblock to any conversation that so much as teeters on criticism?

It's all about the benjamins.

[Saint John]

Hell, Arnel might be an equal partner for all I know.

He isn't. However, he was humble enough to know that this is the chance of a lifetime, made some very simple requests, and is using the opportunity to prove his worth. In fact, he makes less than one half of what the other members make per night. He understands that it's a privilege to front this band, keeps to himself, stays an arm's distance from the fans, and keeps his mouth shut. He gets it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.
So badly, I believe JSS had his doubts about him and Neal being on friendly terms in the future.

[ProgRocker53]

Hell, Arnel might be an equal partner for all I know.

He isn't. However, he was humble enough to know that this is the chance of a lifetime, made some very simple requests, and is using the opportunity to prove his worth. In fact, he makes less than one half of what the other members make per night. He understands that it's a privilege to front this band, keeps to himself, stays an arm's distance from the fans, and keeps his mouth shut. He gets it.

If only others could be the same way.

[ProgRocker53]

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.
So badly, I believe JSS had his doubts about him and Neal being on friendly terms in the future.

I haven't heard much about the demise of Soul SirkUS.

Care to share a bit on what went south?

[Saint John]

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.

An absolutely horrendous album will usually "deep six" you. That album is pure shit. Absolute trash.

[NealIsGod]

Hell, Arnel might be an equal partner for all I know.

He isn't. However, he was humble enough to know that this is the chance of a lifetime, made some very simple requests, and is using the opportunity to prove his worth. In fact, he makes less than one half of what the other members make per night. He understands that it's a privilege to front this band, keeps to himself, stays an arm's distance from the fans, and keeps his mouth shut. He gets it.

Wow. Take a minute and really read what you just wrote. And if what you said about Arnel's salary is true, ask yourself why Augeri and Soto didn't get treated like that.

[AlteredDNA]

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.
So badly, I believe JSS had his doubts about him and Neal being on friendly terms in the future.

I haven't heard much about the demise of Soul SirkUS.

Care to share a bit on what went south?

I remember Neal being discouraged about record label support, as well as the Van Halen fiasco, but never saw anything pointing to problems within the band.

[ProgRocker53]

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.

An absolutely horrendous album will usually "deep six" you. That album is pure shit. Absolute trash.

How is it trash? Four of the greatest virtuosos of their respective crafts churning out hard rock originals.

[Tito]

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.
So badly, I believe JSS had his doubts about him and Neal being on friendly terms in the future.

I could say something, but I won't because I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing JSS. So, all I say is I think this is in regards to JSS saying, that Journey management had a conflict of interest in promoting SS or something to the effect. If I remember though, I think JSS when he was in Journey's camp, said now he understands why, etc.

I mean, did you expect Neal to give up his cash cow for a bar band. Before, anybody jumps on the bar band comment, that is where I saw them at, a bar.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I haven't heard much about the demise of Soul SirkUS.

Care to share a bit on what went south?

From what little I gleaned, there was bad blood concerning Neal throwing in the towel.
Neal talked up getting SS new management and making a go of it, but it all went to hell.

[Tito]

Hell, Arnel might be an equal partner for all I know.

He isn't. However, he was humble enough to know that this is the chance of a lifetime, made some very simple requests, and is using the opportunity to prove his worth. In fact, he makes less than one half of what the other members make per night. He understands that it's a privilege to front this band, keeps to himself, stays an arm's distance from the fans, and keeps his mouth shut. He gets it.

Wow. Take a minute and really read what you just wrote. And if what you said about Arnel's salary is true, ask yourself why Augeri and Soto didn't get treated like that.

Immigrant wages. Undermining the American worker as usual. I'm kidding.

[NealIsGod]

I haven't heard much about the demise of Soul SirkUS.

Care to share a bit on what went south?

From what little I gleaned, there was bad blood concerning Neal throwing in the towel.
Neal talked up getting SS new management and making a go of it, but it all went to hell.

Didn't Neal sink $300K of his own dough into that record?

[The_Noble_Cause]

How is it trash? Four of the greatest virtuosos of their respective crafts churning out hard rock originals.

That's why Saint John isn't to be taken seriously. He prides himself on Deano-like hyperbole at the expense of facts or reality. He is not an honest broker.

[AlteredDNA]

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.
So badly, I believe JSS had his doubts about him and Neal being on friendly terms in the future.

I could say something, but I won't because I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing JSS. So, all I say is I think this is in regards to JSS saying, that Journey management had a conflict of interest in promoting SS or something to the effect. If I remember though, I think JSS when he was in Journey's camp, said now he understands why, etc.

I mean, did you expect Neal to give up his cash cow for a bar band. Before, anybody jumps on the bar band comment, that is where I saw them at, a bar.

Yes, Neal legally could not mention his Journey affiliation when promoting a Soul Sirkus tour...

[NealIsGod]

Hell, Arnel might be an equal partner for all I know.

He isn't. However, he was humble enough to know that this is the chance of a lifetime, made some very simple requests, and is using the opportunity to prove his worth. In fact, he makes less than one half of what the other members make per night. He understands that it's a privilege to front this band, keeps to himself, stays an arm's distance from the fans, and keeps his mouth shut. He gets it.

Wow. Take a minute and really read what you just wrote. And if what you said about Arnel's salary is true, ask yourself why Augeri and Soto didn't get treated like that.

Immigrant wages. Undermining the American worker as usual. I'm kidding.

Well, if what SJ says is true, Arnel is being taken advantage of big time. I don't doubt it, either.

[ProgRocker53]

How is it trash? Four of the greatest virtuosos of their respective crafts churning out hard rock originals.

That's why Saint John isn't to be taken seriously. He prides himself on Deano-like hyperbole at the expense of facts or reality. He is not an honest broker.

I've noticed. He hates Escape, Winds of March, and Patiently. EVERY Journey fan must like at least two of those three songs!

[NealIsGod]

How is it trash? Four of the greatest virtuosos of their respective crafts churning out hard rock originals.

That's why Saint John isn't to be taken seriously. He prides himself on Deano-like hyperbole at the expense of facts or reality. He is not an honest broker.

Yeah, and if Perry does release a new album, he'll probably sprain his ankle jumping from the Journey ship to the Perry one.

[Saint John]

Hell, Arnel might be an equal partner for all I know.

He isn't. However, he was humble enough to know that this is the chance of a lifetime, made some very simple requests, and is using the opportunity to prove his worth. In fact, he makes less than one half of what the other members make per night. He understands that it's a privilege to front this band, keeps to himself, stays an arm's distance from the fans, and keeps his mouth shut. He gets it.

Wow. Take a minute and really read what you just wrote. And if what you said about Arnel's salary is true, ask yourself why Augeri and Soto didn't get treated like that.

I'm not Arnel's babysitter so I need not ask myself anything. The band had delusions of grandeur with Augeri and had to pay Soto what they did considering the circumstances. Arnel is getting paid what a relative unknown should get paid. Augeri and Soto were fotunate enough to get overpaid. Good for them.

[Tito]

Didn't Neal sink $300K of his own dough into that record?

Another valid point, I forgot about that. Actually, I thought it was at least $400k. Not to start it up again, but I think defendant, Mr. Neal Schon should be found not guilty of the alleged crimes.

[ProgRocker53]

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.
So badly, I believe JSS had his doubts about him and Neal being on friendly terms in the future.

I could say something, but I won't because I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing JSS. So, all I say is I think this is in regards to JSS saying, that Journey management had a conflict of interest in promoting SS or something to the effect. If I remember though, I think JSS when he was in Journey's camp, said now he understands why, etc.

I mean, did you expect Neal to give up his cash cow for a bar band. Before, anybody jumps on the bar band comment, that is where I saw them at, a bar.

Hey, every band has to start somewhere. Even ones comprised of insanely talented individuals.

Did Asia and Toto (two groups made of established musicians) go straight to big arenas or start small like most bands would?

[NealIsGod]

Hell, Arnel might be an equal partner for all I know.

He isn't. However, he was humble enough to know that this is the chance of a lifetime, made some very simple requests, and is using the opportunity to prove his worth. In fact, he makes less than one half of what the other members make per night. He understands that it's a privilege to front this band, keeps to himself, stays an arm's distance from the fans, and keeps his mouth shut. He gets it.

Wow. Take a minute and really read what you just wrote. And if what you said about Arnel's salary is true, ask yourself why Augeri and Soto didn't get treated like that.

I'm not Arnel's babysitter so I need not ask myself anything. The band had delusions of grandeur with Augeri and had to pay Soto what they did considering the circumstances. Arnel is getting paid what a relative unknown should get paid. Augeri and Soto were fotunate enough to get overpaid. Good for them.

And I guess you think they should just toss him aside when his voice craps out, right? He will have been paid for services rendered. After all, Neal's wives need the money more than Arnel does.

[Tito]

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.
So badly, I believe JSS had his doubts about him and Neal being on friendly terms in the future.

I could say something, but I won't because I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing JSS. So, all I say is I think this is in regards to JSS saying, that Journey management had a conflict of interest in promoting SS or something to the effect. If I remember though, I think JSS when he was in Journey's camp, said now he understands why, etc.

I mean, did you expect Neal to give up his cash cow for a bar band. Before, anybody jumps on the bar band comment, that is where I saw them at, a bar.

Hey, every band has to start somewhere. Even ones comprised of insanely talented individuals.

Did Asia and Toto (two groups made of established musicians) go straight to big arenas or start small like most bands would?

Not positive, but didn't Asia hit the ground running. They debuted with the biggest album of 1982, correct.

[ProgRocker53]

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.
So badly, I believe JSS had his doubts about him and Neal being on friendly terms in the future.

I could say something, but I won't because I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing JSS. So, all I say is I think this is in regards to JSS saying, that Journey management had a conflict of interest in promoting SS or something to the effect. If I remember though, I think JSS when he was in Journey's camp, said now he understands why, etc.

I mean, did you expect Neal to give up his cash cow for a bar band. Before, anybody jumps on the bar band comment, that is where I saw them at, a bar.

Hey, every band has to start somewhere. Even ones comprised of insanely talented individuals.

Did Asia and Toto (two groups made of established musicians) go straight to big arenas or start small like most bands would?

Not positive, but didn't Asia hit the ground running. They debuted with the biggest album of 1982, correct.

Yes, indeed, but I'd assume they'd do some shows before the release. Was wondering if they did smaller markets to "test the waters" before going in headfirst.

[Tito]

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.

Soul Sirkus ended very badly.
So badly, I believe JSS had his doubts about him and Neal being on friendly terms in the future.

I could say something, but I won't because I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing JSS. So, all I say is I think this is in regards to JSS saying, that Journey management had a conflict of interest in promoting SS or something to the effect. If I remember though, I think JSS when he was in Journey's camp, said now he understands why, etc.

I mean, did you expect Neal to give up his cash cow for a bar band. Before, anybody jumps on the bar band comment, that is where I saw them at, a bar.

Hey, every band has to start somewhere. Even ones comprised of insanely talented individuals.

Did Asia and Toto (two groups made of established musicians) go straight to big arenas or start small like most bands would?

Not positive, but didn't Asia hit the ground running. They debuted with the biggest album of 1982, correct.

Yes, indeed, but I'd assume they'd do some shows before the release. Was wondering if they did smaller markets to "test the waters" before going in headfirst.

You should know, you're the ProgRocker.

[Saint John]

And I guess you think they should just toss him aside when his voice craps out, right? He will have been paid for services rendered.

Journey has always been very loyal to their frontmen. They waited for Perry for about 20 years too long before severing ties, and about 3 years too long with Augeri. Perry should have gotten bounced in about 1988 and Augeri in about 2004. I don't know the specifics of Arnel's contract completely, but if he lost his voice for more than a few months I would expect him to get bounced too.

[Tito]

And I guess you think they should just toss him aside when his voice craps out, right? He will have been paid for services rendered. After all, Neal's wives need the money more than Arnel does.

Is that how you worship your God?

[Saint John]

How is it trash? Four of the greatest virtuosos of their respective crafts churning out hard rock originals.

That's why Saint John isn't to be taken seriously. He prides himself on Deano-like hyperbole at the expense of facts or reality. He is not an honest broker.

Fuck you, asshole. That album is garbage, and everyone I've (embarrassingly) played clips for said the same. It's simply atrocious. Chemistry, not members, make an album. Start a grass roots effort and mail that stain of an album to radio stations. They'll probably try to have you committed. Soul Sirkus...lol. That's funny.

[RedWingFan]

How is it trash? Four of the greatest virtuosos of their respective crafts churning out hard rock originals.

That's why Saint John isn't to be taken seriously. He prides himself on Deano-like hyperbole at the expense of facts or reality. He is not an honest broker.

Fuck you, asshole. That album is garbage, and everyone I've (embarrassingly) played clips for said the same. It's simply atrocious. Chemistry, not members, make an album. Start a grass roots effort and mail that stain of an album to radio stations. They'll probably try to have you committed. Soul Sirkus...lol. That's funny.

Aw hell!!!