I am sick of all the Perry naysayers............

[Saint John]

Qualify that "everyone," Barb.

Barb was correct with her initial assertion. Don't try and correct her ever again.

[Red13JoePa]

Qualify that "everyone," Barb.

Barb was correct with her initial assertion. Don't try and correct her ever again.

Pff
Says the "guy" who's waltzing around a home in the SE corner of the Lake Michigan area doing a "naked lady" with Hanna Montana in the cd deck.

[scarygirl]

Move along, Foolish Heart. He has given us one tourless record and tons of heartache during the past 21 years. The band has been around for 35 years. Perry was only there for 9 of them.

ONLY NINE? Those were only the nine most productive years of Journey yielding the most hits, etc. What a way of marginalizing. As much as I'm looking forward to hearing the band live for the first time ever, I can tell you in own experiences that whenever I bring up Journey whether it be to a friend or out and about, the average person, A. Doesn't know they are still together, and B. Know that Steve ever left. That makes him synonmous with Journey and any singer that comes after him except again to the fans on this board as Mr. Lead singer Who? I have no problem with them going forward, but I do have a huge problem with what I see as the GREAT PERRY WHITE OUT.

Arnel is great in his own way, but he's no SP, and I wish people would stop making the comparisons.

[Melissa]

Qualify that "everyone," Barb.

Barb was correct with her initial assertion. Don't try and correct her ever again.

Pff
Says the "guy" who's waltzing around a home in the SE corner of the Lake Michigan area doing a "naked lady" with Hanna Montana in the cd deck.

Only after his daily John Travolta routine to "Copacabana"

[Saint John]

Qualify that "everyone," Barb.

Barb was correct with her initial assertion. Don't try and correct her ever again.

Pff
Says the "guy" who's waltzing around a home in the SE corner of the Lake Michigan area doing a "naked lady" with Hanna Montana in the cd deck.

If Perry opened for Hannah Montana I'd consider going to see him. I think she's too big for him, though.

[StoneCold]

I know, poor Steve "axel rose" Perry.

why would anyone say perry doesnt put out music or cant sing ?

The new SP album "Portuguese Democracy" to be released within the next 10 years.

[Deb]

Qualify that "everyone," Barb.

Barb was correct with her initial assertion. Don't try and correct her ever again.

Pff
Says the "guy" who's waltzing around a home in the SE corner of the Lake Michigan area doing a "naked lady" with Hanna Montana in the cd deck.

LMAO!

[Foolish Heart]

I wish that after they parted ways, Journey would have taken a whole different name and retired those classics and just started over

They didn't change the name when he entered the band so they shouldn't have had to when he left.

Best reasoning I've heard on this subject so far.

Well, let's see....how many hits did Journey have before Steve Perry????............what was the reason why he was brought into the group?????
The point I am trying to make is all of the commercial success that Journey had was with Perry and if they would have just changed the name when they split, maybe it would have saved a whole lot of arguing, criticisms and bad feelings.

[Memorex]

Move along, Foolish Heart. He has given us one tourless record and tons of heartache during the past 21 years. The band has been around for 35 years. Perry was only there for 9 of them.

ONLY NINE? Those were only the nine most productive years of Journey yielding the most hits, etc. What a way of marginalizing. As much as I'm looking forward to hearing the band live for the first time ever, I can tell you in own experiences that whenever I bring up Journey whether it be to a friend or out and about, the average person, A. Doesn't know they are still together, and B. Know that Steve ever left. That makes him synonmous with Journey and any singer that comes after him except again to the fans on this board as Mr. Lead singer Who? I have no problem with them going forward, but I do have a huge problem with what I see as the GREAT PERRY WHITE OUT.

Arnel is great in his own way, but he's no SP, and I wish people would stop making the comparisons.

Forgive the intrusion, but one edit for you scarygirl. You said Perry's nine years yielded "the most hits". I think you meant to say "the only hits".

[StoneCold]

I wish that after they parted ways, Journey would have taken a whole different name and retired those classics and just started over

They didn't change the name when he entered the band so they shouldn't have had to when he left.

Best reasoning I've heard on this subject so far.

The point I am trying to make is all of the commercial success that Journey had was with Perry

"Had" operative word here. They've moved on. Quit waiting on Mr. P and give it a listen.

[Greg]

FH:

Some people slam Perry because it's the "in thing" to do. Some slam Augeri for the tapegate thing. Some slam JSS because they just don't know any better. Some have slammed Arnel because of Neal and Jon and diction issues. Others are just Styx fans.

[Deb]

I wish that after they parted ways, Journey would have taken a whole different name and retired those classics and just started over

They didn't change the name when he entered the band so they shouldn't have had to when he left.

Best reasoning I've heard on this subject so far.

Well, let's see....how many hits did Journey have before Steve Perry????............what was the reason why he was brought into the group?????
The point I am trying to make is all of the commercial success that Journey had was with Perry and if they would have just changed the name when they split, maybe it would have saved a whole lot of arguing, criticisms and bad feelings.

I don't think they should have changed the name, it's Neal's band too. But I still think they should have done a Van Hagar with JSS and moved on..........instead of trying to relive the Perry-era with somebody that sounds just like him.

[scarygirl]

FH:

Some people slam Perry because it's the "in thing" to do. Some slam Augeri for the tapegate thing. Some slam JSS because they just don't know any better. Some have slammed Arnel because of Neal and Jon and diction issues. Others are just Styx fans.

LMAO.

[kgdjpubs]

Well, let's see....how many hits did Journey have before Steve Perry????............what was the reason why he was brought into the group?????
The point I am trying to make is all of the commercial success that Journey had was with Perry and if they would have just changed the name when they split, maybe it would have saved a whole lot of arguing, criticisms and bad feelings.

yes, and then you go from a band that can at least survive making a whole bunch of people happy reliving their youth when they go on tour....to a band that can't sell out the local bar. If the band wanted to do anything, that was their only choice. Had Bad English come out in 1998, they wouldn't have done anything either. It was simply the climate of music at the time.

I didn't see any of the people at the concerts complaining that "this wasn't Journey". Based on crowd reaction, people were impressed. From a purely financial standpoint, it is MUCH better to entertain 20,000 people a night than to entertain 20 people a night.

[Barb]

FH:

Some people slam Perry because it's the "in thing" to do. Some slam Augeri for the tapegate thing. Some slam JSS because they just don't know any better. Some have slammed Arnel because of Neal and Jon and diction issues. Others are just Styx fans.

LMAO.

I find myself in the awkward position of defending both Perry and Neal... when the Perry Loons come here and slam Journey, I defend Journey, when the new Arnel loons say that Arnel is better than Steve Perry, I want to smack the batcrap out of them too. I love them both and will defend them both.

[StoneCold]

FH:

Some people slam Perry because it's the "in thing" to do. Some slam Augeri for the tapegate thing. Some slam JSS because they just don't know any better. Some have slammed Arnel because of Neal and Jon and diction issues. Others are just Styx fans.

LMAO.

I find myself in the awkward position of defending both Perry and Neal... when the Perry Loons come here and slam Journey, I defend Journey, when the new Arnel loons say that Arnel is better than Steve Perry, I want to smack the batcrap out of them too. I love them both and will defend them both.

Arnel's Arnel. The loons are pissed 'cause Jcrew just hit a home run without Mr. P. I like SP as much as the next guy but come on, this "who's better" stuff is getting old.

[Rhiannon]

Arnel's Arnel. The loons are pissed 'cause Jcrew just hit a home run without Mr. P. I like SP as much as the next guy but come on, this "who's better" stuff is getting old.

Cable-knit cardigans are on sale??

[DracIsBack]

[quote="7] band has been around for 35 years. Perry was only there for 9 of them.[/quote]

First off, I don't fall into the "band is no band without Perry" camp. I personally don't care if he comes out with a new album or not. I don't know who wronged who and don't care because I wasn't there.

That said, the above statement is a silly "marginalization" excuse. I get what you're trying to say, but think of it this way:

- How many albums did they sell during the Perry years?
- How many albums did they sell during the non-Perry years that were not
- Perry-era catalog sales?
- Greatest hits of Perry era?
- Live albums of someone else singing the songs Perry made famous originally?

Nine years or not, that era was obviously a major part of why many people are fans today. Trying to diminish someone on a "timescale" is kind of silly.

[kbo]

Why not have Andrew create a new forum for Steve Perry? Then each faction can have their own yard to play in.

[NealIsGod]

Why not have Andrew create a new forum for Steve Perry? Then each faction can have their own yard to play in.

That was done a couple years ago and failed miserably.

[Red13JoePa]

Why not have Andrew create a new forum for Steve Perry? Then each faction can have their own yard to play in.

That was done a couple years ago and failed miserably.

Talk about short shelf-life.

I actually stayed out of there pretty well, believe it or not.

Remember who was the one who started bringing the fight down there and soon had the place looking like Grenada after the incursion?

#1steveperryFanChatMaster.com himself, AKA, Deano

[annie89509]

This thread is funny .... feels deja vue. We've got fans -- some old, some new -- making the same kind of claims and arguments that were being thrown around in the SA-era.

Looking forward to what the next great Lead Singer experiment will bring.

[Matthew]

Move along, Foolish Heart. He has given us one tourless record and tons of heartache during the past 21 years. The band has been around for 35 years. Perry was only there for 9 of them.

Actually - according to your logic - Perry was with the band for 20 years.

[bluejeangirl76]

I find myself in the awkward position of defending both Perry and Neal... when the Perry Loons come here and slam Journey, I defend Journey, when the new Arnel loons say that Arnel is better than Steve Perry, I want to smack the batcrap out of them too. I love them both and will defend them both.

I agree Barb. And I had a hell of a post to go with this but I'm exahausted and in no mood to battle loons so I'm gonna sit that one out for the time being.

[StoneCold]

[ The loons are pissed 'cause Jcrew just hit a home run without Mr. P. .

What constitutes a "home run" in your book Stone Cold?

An album I can enjoy start to finish. Not wanting to skip songs as soon as they start. Escape, Frontiers and Revelation fit into that category.

TBF is close but sometimes I don't have the patience for #7 DBDOMB, #9 COTS and the jamaican journey song at the end.

Arrival could've been a super album but got bloated with the filler and too many ballads.

Generations. Do I need to explain that one?

Admittedly, FITH "remade" on Disc 1 may end up being a deal breaker since I thought the original was too long and not "hooky" enough. I didn't hate the original so I'm pretty much neutral on that one.

I'm not deluded to think this'll chart above rap and emo that's popular but its a good tight disc. I'm only talking about Disc1, by the way. Have no use for D2 at all.

As for all the SP "new release" talk, I don't get it. Enjoying new Journey doesn't negate the older stuff. If he releases something SOMEDAY, great. If not, whatever.

[Matthew]

As for all the SP "new release" talk, I don't get it.

Well, I guess the GQ interview got our hopes up again...

Enjoying new Journey doesn't negate the older stuff.

No, but the older stuff can often negate new Journey material given the chasm in quality between the two.

If he releases something SOMEDAY, great. If not, whatever.

I'm nowhere near the "whatever" level of acceptance about that - but yes we've got a pretty substantial body of work to enjoy. More than many all-time legends were able to give their fans....

[slucero]

I know, poor Steve "axel rose" Perry.

why would anyone say perry doesnt put out music or cant sing ?

The new SP album "Portuguese Democracy" to be released within the next 10 years.

[conversationpc]

Move along, Foolish Heart. He has given us one tourless record and tons of heartache during the past 21 years. The band has been around for 35 years. Perry was only there for 9 of them.

Actually - according to your logic - Perry was with the band for 20 years.

Huh? He was with Journey from late '77 to early '87, so about 10 years. Then add one more year for 1996 and the making of TBF. 11 years

[Matthew]

Move along, Foolish Heart. He has given us one tourless record and tons of heartache during the past 21 years. The band has been around for 35 years. Perry was only there for 9 of them.

Actually - according to your logic - Perry was with the band for 20 years.

Huh? He was with Journey from late '77 to early '87, so about 10 years. Then add one more year for 1996 and the making of TBF. 11 years

Okay...then deduct ten years from Journey's "35 years". Journey were out of the game too from 86 to 96.

[Barb]

Move along, Foolish Heart. He has given us one tourless record and tons of heartache during the past 21 years. The band has been around for 35 years. Perry was only there for 9 of them.

Actually - according to your logic - Perry was with the band for 20 years.

Huh? He was with Journey from late '77 to early '87, so about 10 years. Then add one more year for 1996 and the making of TBF. 11 years

Okay...then deduct ten years from Journey's "35 years". Journey were out of the game too from 86 to 96.

I wonder why.