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Postby Rhiannon » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:14 am

Matthew wrote:
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Matthew wrote: :lol: No they sure didn't....and why the hell would they?


Same thing! Just cause Perry was "cooler" and more "successful"... tit for tat. Former bandmembers... there's no reason to feel like the Benedict Arnold. :)



Where do you draw the line Rhiannon? Are we meant to cry tears of guilt for the roadie they fired in 1976 or the nice lady who did the accounts in Herbie Herbert's office?


Huuuuhhhhh? I'm saying there's no reason to cry tears of guilt over ANYBODY. My point was that it was ridiculous. Stop power reading. Slow down, let the words digest. :lol:
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:18 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Matthew wrote: :lol: No they sure didn't....and why the hell would they?


Same thing! Just cause Perry was "cooler" and more "successful"... tit for tat.


No, it was because he had WAY sexier hair. You just wanted to roll around in it.
They hired his hair and got LUCKY he could sing too.
Did you see Fleischman's hair in those videos? BLECH!

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Postby Matthew » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:30 am

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Matthew wrote: :lol: No they sure didn't....and why the hell would they?


Same thing! Just cause Perry was "cooler" and more "successful"... tit for tat. Former bandmembers... there's no reason to feel like the Benedict Arnold. :)



Where do you draw the line Rhiannon? Are we meant to cry tears of guilt for the roadie they fired in 1976 or the nice lady who did the accounts in Herbie Herbert's office?


Huuuuhhhhh? I'm saying there's no reason to cry tears of guilt over ANYBODY. My point was that it was ridiculous. Stop power reading. Slow down, let the words digest. :lol:


Ah...okay...I see what you mean. But is it any less ridiculous to blindly follow a brand name whilst feeling no real connection to the people who actually created the music?
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Postby Rhiannon » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:01 am

Matthew wrote:Ah...okay...I see what you mean. But is it any less ridiculous to blindly follow a brand name whilst feeling no real connection to the people who actually created the music?


There's a fine line between reminiscent and emotionally deranged. What if I felt guilty seeing the new Batman movie because I felt like I was cheating on Michael Keaton?? Silly right? (Which I would never feel b/c let's face it, Christian Bale is a hottie.) It's more like knowing where you're going is embracing where you've been.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:05 am

Rhiannon wrote:It's more like knowing where you're going is embracing where you've been.


Did you get blown by Rainbrow Brite on your lunch hour? Just this morning you were calling me dickhole, now you're all sunny and philosophical and whatnot. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Rhiannon » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:07 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:It's more like knowing where you're going is embracing where you've been.


Did you get blown by Rainbrow Brite on your lunch hour? Just this morning you were calling me dickhole, now you're all sunny and philosophical and whatnot. :lol: :lol:


Hormones are a bitch. :)

...No really, I'm always shitting sunshine. I just say what's on my mind. If anybody has a problem with that, tough tits. :wink:
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Postby jrnyjunky » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:14 pm

After reading all the posts, I guess some of you think I'm crazy and some of you don't. Thanks to those of you who don't. And to those of you who do...well, you know me too well. :lol:

Maybe I just hate it when something that works so well falls apart and can't be fixed. Don't get me wrong, I wish the guys luck and when they come to Ohio, which they are in Sept. if I can I'll go and give them a chance to make me love the new line-up. I seen Journey/Styx/REO a few years ago with Augeri and wasn't impressed. Maybe he had an off night, I don't know, but the magic just wasn't there.

I think that Arnel's voice is great. He's just not Steve. Journey just isn't the true Journey for me without Steve.

I'm still listening to the new CD giving it a chance. The one thing that distracts me about the new CD is the way Arnel struggles with the pronounciation of some of the words. Don't get me wrong, my hat is off to the guy. Hell, I have problems with the English language too and I've been speaking it for 44 years. :D

And I get the point about Steve basically stringing his fans along. And he has, I know that. But there is just something about him that keeps me in his corner. If he is gonna release something, great. If he doesn't, well thats OK too. Do I wish he would get out there again? Hell yeah, I miss his voice. I guess for me Steve has everything a front man should have. A unforgetable voice, awesome stage presence, a great face, great hair and a great ass. I'm not even sure if he has a great ass anymore, but thats OK cause mine isn't as great as it used to be either. :D



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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:40 pm

jrnyjunky wrote:And I get the point about Steve basically stringing his fans along. And he has, I know that.


He isn't the one doing it. Its the fans stringing themselves along, waiting for something and getting pissed / sad / mad / depressed / annoyed when it doesn't happen.

Yes, I know... he has SAID things that may have ALLUDED to the fact the he MIGHT one day do something. But how is that really any different than anyone else in music / tv / movies? Actors and musicians say shit all the time about doing this or that... For some reason, Perry has become this villian for doing something WE ALL do - sayng one thing and then doing another.

Maybe he'll release something. Maybe not. Relax and have a beer, everyone, its not worth losing one's mind over.
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Postby Rhiannon » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:48 pm

bluejeangirl76 wrote:He isn't the one doing it. Its the fans stringing themselves along, waiting for something and getting pissed / sad / mad / depressed / annoyed when it doesn't happen.


Hello, voice of reason. Good morning. :)

However, one argument can be made that with Espee becoming the boy who cried wolf. He keeps saying these things, well a fan's natural reaction is to be like "yay"... after so much time now when most of us hear that, instead of "yay" we're like "ok, whatever". It's that other percentage that believe Perry's elusive ever-upcoming "release" is akin to the second coming of Christ who teeter-totter on the edge of reason. But... uh. Some people are just like that. :lol: :roll:
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Postby Babyblue » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:57 pm

Wecome to MR :wink: I am a fan of Steves as well and i agree with you.I have not gotten the cd and not planing on it at all.I have heard the new song it's ok.I am glad Steve can live his life the way he wants.As for his cd when he comes out and says it will be out....then and only then will i believe it.He maybe making music for his self and not for us.But that is fine.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:10 am

jrnyjunky wrote:After reading all the posts, I guess some of you think I'm crazy and some of you don't. Thanks to those of you who don't. And to those of you who do...well, you know me too well. :lol:

Maybe I just hate it when something that works so well falls apart and can't be fixed. Don't get me wrong, I wish the guys luck and when they come to Ohio, which they are in Sept. if I can I'll go and give them a chance to make me love the new line-up. I seen Journey/Styx/REO a few years ago with Augeri and wasn't impressed. Maybe he had an off night, I don't know, but the magic just wasn't there.

I think that Arnel's voice is great. He's just not Steve. Journey just isn't the true Journey for me without Steve.

I'm still listening to the new CD giving it a chance. The one thing that distracts me about the new CD is the way Arnel struggles with the pronounciation of some of the words. Don't get me wrong, my hat is off to the guy. Hell, I have problems with the English language too and I've been speaking it for 44 years. :D

And I get the point about Steve basically stringing his fans along. And he has, I know that. But there is just something about him that keeps me in his corner. If he is gonna release something, great. If he doesn't, well thats OK too. Do I wish he would get out there again? Hell yeah, I miss his voice. I guess for me Steve has everything a front man should have. A unforgetable voice, awesome stage presence, a great face, great hair and a great ass. I'm not even sure if he has a great ass anymore, but thats OK cause mine isn't as great as it used to be either. :D

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This is GREAT!!! :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:17 am

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jrnyjunky wrote:And I get the point about Steve basically stringing his fans along. And he has, I know that.


He isn't the one doing it. Its the fans stringing themselves along, waiting for something and getting pissed / sad / mad / depressed / annoyed when it doesn't happen.

Yes, I know... he has SAID things that may have ALLUDED to the fact the he MIGHT one day do something. But how is that really any different than anyone else in music / tv / movies? Actors and musicians say shit all the time about doing this or that... For some reason, Perry has become this villian for doing something WE ALL do - sayng one thing and then doing another.

Maybe he'll release something. Maybe not. Relax and have a beer, everyone, its not worth losing one's mind over.


Complete bullshit. This guy sang the soundtrack to peoples' lives and he knows it. That said, he hasn't been honest to himself, his bandmates, or his fans for the better part of 2 decades so I don't expect a sudden change in behavior. To this day whether or not he can still sing, and at what level, is pure speculation because he chooses to play shell games with the truth. Playing with the heartstrings of fans is deplorable. He's played the sympathy card at every turn. Whether it was not feeling like part of the band, his hip, or not being able to go back and remaster old concert stuff because it was "too painful", this guy has been a fucking whiner for 20+ years. What I see is a nearly 60 year old man that has lived a life most people dream about. He has been gifted with seemingly perfect health, especially considering past indulgences, but you'd think he just returned limbless from Iraq judging by the self-pity in some of his interviews. This man has been very blessed. The only person that feels sorry for Steve Perry is Steve Perry.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:29 am

Thinking aloud, Deano brought this up at his crib:

What of the possibility of perry doing his OWN set of rerecords of the classic Journey songs?

THAT would be a perry covers album I'd be interested in.
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Postby Babyblue » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:30 am

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bluejeangirl76 wrote:
jrnyjunky wrote:And I get the point about Steve basically stringing his fans along. And he has, I know that.


He isn't the one doing it. Its the fans stringing themselves along, waiting for something and getting pissed / sad / mad / depressed / annoyed when it doesn't happen.

Yes, I know... he has SAID things that may have ALLUDED to the fact the he MIGHT one day do something. But how is that really any different than anyone else in music / tv / movies? Actors and musicians say shit all the time about doing this or that... For some reason, Perry has become this villian for doing something WE ALL do - sayng one thing and then doing another.

Maybe he'll release something. Maybe not. Relax and have a beer, everyone, its not worth losing one's mind over.


Complete bullshit. This guy sang the soundtrack to peoples' lives and he knows it. That said, he hasn't been honest to himself, his bandmates, or his fans for the better part of 2 decades so I don't expect a sudden change in behavior. To this day whether or not he can still sing, and at what level, is pure speculation because he chooses to play shell games with the truth. Playing with the heartstrings of fans is deplorable. He's played the sympathy card at every turn. Whether it was not feeling like part of the band, his hip, or not being able to go back and remaster old concert stuff because it was "too painful", this guy has been a fucking whiner for 20+ years. What I see is a nearly 60 year old man that has lived a life most people dream about. He has been gifted with seemingly perfect health, especially considering past indulgences, but you'd think he just returned limbless from Iraq judging by the self-pity in some of his interviews. This man has been very blessed. The only person that feels sorry for Steve Perry is Steve Perry.



I am sorry you feel this way about him.But i will never feel that way he is a good man & very careing.He dose care for his fans we just believe what we want to believe.He did not have to go and meet the people from another site but he did.So he dose care.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:36 am

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jrnyjunky wrote:And I get the point about Steve basically stringing his fans along. And he has, I know that.


He isn't the one doing it. Its the fans stringing themselves along, waiting for something and getting pissed / sad / mad / depressed / annoyed when it doesn't happen.

Yes, I know... he has SAID things that may have ALLUDED to the fact the he MIGHT one day do something. But how is that really any different than anyone else in music / tv / movies? Actors and musicians say shit all the time about doing this or that... For some reason, Perry has become this villian for doing something WE ALL do - sayng one thing and then doing another.

Maybe he'll release something. Maybe not. Relax and have a beer, everyone, its not worth losing one's mind over.


Complete bullshit. This guy sang the soundtrack to peoples' lives and he knows it. That said, he hasn't been honest to himself, his bandmates, or his fans for the better part of 2 decades so I don't expect a sudden change in behavior. To this day whether or not he can still sing, and at what level, is pure speculation because he chooses to play shell games with the truth. Playing with the heartstrings of fans is deplorable. He's played the sympathy card at every turn. Whether it was not feeling like part of the band, his hip, or not being able to go back and remaster old concert stuff because it was "too painful", this guy has been a fucking whiner for 20+ years. What I see is a nearly 60 year old man that has lived a life most people dream about. He has been gifted with seemingly perfect health, especially considering past indulgences, but you'd think he just returned limbless from Iraq judging by the self-pity in some of his interviews. This man has been very blessed. The only person that feels sorry for Steve Perry is Steve Perry.


Be that as it may, my point still stands, and you've helped reinforce it... if you know the guy keeps saying it and not doing it, what's to get worked up over? Ok so he just recently alluded to it again... this is new how? He's gonna do what he's gonna do and that's it.

For anyone finding his behavior deplorable, they are absolutely free to walk away, expect nothing and discontinue support. No one is forcing anyone to hang on. I think Britney Spears is a deplorable sad irresponsible piece of shit who I do not feel sorry for in the least, so I ignore her and her crummy excuses for records. Not that I'm comparing Steve Perry to Britney Spears - let's be clear. I'm just pointing out that the problems and arguments that spawn lie in the way people REact, not the way the stars act. Steve Perry isn't doing anything different (as far as the public is concerned) than he has since he left Journey.

As I've observed, his actions toward both his bandmates and fans that much different than the way the rest of them are. If we're going to demonize, there's plenty to spread equally here.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:41 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Thinking aloud, Deano brought this up at his crib:

What of the possibility of perry doing his OWN set of rerecords of the classic Journey songs?

THAT would be a perry covers album I'd be interested in.


As disinterested as I am in covers, I'd be interested in this only to see how it would fair up against Journey doing it. :lol: On that basis, it would be funny. Pathetic... but funny.

As a seperate idea.. I still say no. Blech. Leave it alone.
It was fine the first time. Yes, I say that EVEN if it was Perry doing it.
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Postby jrnyjunky » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:43 am

I feel like he has strung us along. In the 1999 Rockline interview he was talking about writting new music, launching steveperry.com and stuff like that. I'm good with whatever he wants to do. If he does another CD, he should do it because he wants to, not for any other reason. If he doesn't want to, I'm fine with that too, but don't talk about writting new stuff, launching the web site and stuff like that. When I seen him in 2006, he said he had been practicing scales. He didn't come right out and say he was working on anything, but I got the impression that he was or was thinking about it. Its just my opinion.

I haven't been sitting around for years, bitting my nails, worried when he will come out with something. I just wish he would basically shit or get off the pot. I'm behind him either way. He is my favorite front man. But don't tease.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:55 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:[
Be that as it may, my point still stands, and you've helped reinforce it... if you know the guy keeps saying it and not doing it, what's to get worked up over? Ok so he just recently alluded to it again... this is new how? He's gonna do what he's gonna do and that's it.


You've become desensitized and disinterested because of his behavior. Great. That still doesn't make what he does right. And it certainly doesn't make people that give him the benefit of his word, or, in his case, cryptically reading between the lines, wrong. Just stupid. :lol: I used to be one of these people.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:58 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:it would be funny. Pathetic... but funny.



See, and I'm going to betray a secret here about me ( :P ), I'm as big a perry critic as there is and I think he has every right (as much as Journey) to rerecord those and have them taken seriously.

Shit, if he can't conjure up new stuff (and I think he has trouble looking at the sheer volume of "ghost writers" involved in his solo songs) then do some Journey covers. Why the shit not?
In fact, I'd damn near back THAT idea over all new perry solo songs.
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Postby Rhiannon » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:05 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Why the shit not?


Because he's a headcase perfectionist who seems to have enough trouble facing his past, much less re-recording it.
It'd still be cool as hell... but I can't see this happening at all. Maybe an album of re-recorded classics done as DUETS. :idea:
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:06 am

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Be that as it may, my point still stands, and you've helped reinforce it... if you know the guy keeps saying it and not doing it, what's to get worked up over? Ok so he just recently alluded to it again... this is new how? He's gonna do what he's gonna do and that's it.


You've become desensitized and disinterested because of his behavior. Great. That still doesn't make what he does right. And it certainly doesn't make people that give him the benefit of his word, or, in his case, cryptically reading between the lines, wrong. Just stupid. :lol: I used to be one of these people.


If you're calling me stupid, then piss off. I'm not stupid nor have I ever done anything to you to warrant that. I'm just not that overly upset about or invested in what Perry is or isn't doing or why. I'd happily accept new music from him, and would I like to hear some? Of course. But until he DOES something and there's actually a project or something to talk about, I don't care if he spends 14 hours a day on a chaise lounge watching Maury Povich say "You are NOT the father" and eating Ben and Jerry's with spork.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:13 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Why the shit not?


Because he's a headcase perfectionist who seems to have enough trouble facing his past, much less re-recording it.
It'd still be cool as hell... but I can't see this happening at all. Maybe an album of re-recorded classics done as DUETS. :idea:



Pf, man Rolie hates him but wouldn't THAT be sick if called him up and said "dude I want to recut Anytime/Feeling That Way, Just The Same Way and all the other duets we did before you saw me for what I was and left and release it, you feel like it?"
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:14 am

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bluejeangirl76 wrote:it would be funny. Pathetic... but funny.



See, and I'm going to betray a secret here about me ( :P ), I'm as big a perry critic as there is and I think he has every right (as much as Journey) to rerecord those and have them taken seriously.

Shit, if he can't conjure up new stuff (and I think he has trouble looking at the sheer volume of "ghost writers" involved in his solo songs) then do some Journey covers. Why the shit not?
In fact, I'd damn near back THAT idea over all new perry solo songs.


I only used the word pathetic because it would be real weird to see that happen now that Journey's already done it. Apart from that, sure he has every right to, just the same way as Journey has the right to. I agree with you totally. I'm not sure in either case that makes it a good idea, but absolutely he has the right as much as they do.

I got an idea!! Hey, Perry... Journey did the hits... you do the deep cuts. Record Keep On Running and Stay Awhile and for got sakes, don't forget La Do Da. (don't do Balk Talk... :shock: :lol: )

There. Problem solved. :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:23 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:If you're calling me stupid, then piss off.

I wasn't...so I'll keep my piss, thank you. :lol:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:I'm not stupid nor have I ever done anything to you to warrant that.

Agreed.
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Postby Rhiannon » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:29 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Why the shit not?


Because he's a headcase perfectionist who seems to have enough trouble facing his past, much less re-recording it.
It'd still be cool as hell... but I can't see this happening at all. Maybe an album of re-recorded classics done as DUETS. :idea:



Pf, man Rolie hates him but wouldn't THAT be sick if called him up and said "dude I want to recut Anytime/Feeling That Way, Just The Same Way and all the other duets we did before you saw me for what I was and left and release it, you feel like it?"


That'd be the sh-it.
I want to see some Perry/Rolie manhug action going on. Of course I could also see someone getting slugged like a motherbitch. :lol:
I meant, like what if he were to re-record the songs with other "singers", you know... to help err... umm... carry the weight. :P
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:31 am

Saint John wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:If you're calling me stupid, then piss off.

I wasn't...so I'll keep my piss, thank you. :lol:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:I'm not stupid nor have I ever done anything to you to warrant that.

Agreed.


:D I done got told in PM to chill out, also... :lol: I misunsterstood. Happens.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:32 am

Nope, I know you meant and I HATE that idea.

Do it w/ Gregger or Augeri. :P
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:32 am

Neal should really consider bringing Gregg back for the next album. Arnel and Gregg on an album would be something I'd very much look forward to.
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Postby Rhiannon » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:34 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Do it w/ Gregger or Augeri. :P


Here's a thought... Rolie, Augeri, Smitty collaborative effort.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:36 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Do it w/ Gregger or Augeri. :P


Here's a thought... Rolie, Augeri, Smitty collaborative effort.


Well NOW we're getting somewhere.

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