Who really discovered Arnel Pineda?

by **CatEyes** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:41 am

At one point Jonathan Cain said that his daughter fourn Arnel and brought him to Cain's attention.

That was going around for a while.

Then after the annuncement was made, Neal claimed to discover him.

Perhaps that was done to deflect some of the negative comments.

With Jouney, sometimes it is difficult to find the truth - everyone (including fans) have their own versions that they swear by and will get hostile if anyone doubts what their grandmother's hair dresser told them.

Cat

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:47 am

Duncan wrote: I did come across someone called Fartindeanosmouth

LOL

by **Saint John** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:51 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Duncan wrote: I did come across someone called Fartindeanosmouth

LOL

Just what Dean needs to see today. Someone's gonna get blasted today! :lol:

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:54 am

That's vintage Reardon right there.
Probably set it up just for sake of having a timebomb like that to be discovered at a later point (just like it happened) :lol:

by **Deb** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:55 am

Andrew wrote:
Duncan wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Duncan wrote:That's interesting, but who first posted them on this site? I reckon Neal saw the links on here.

I agree

I take it you would have liked an acknowledgment ?

LOL...if I got upset at all the missed credits/stolen ideas over the years....well, you know...that's not why I do this anyway, so it doesn't matter

I don't know for sure where Arnel's name first came to the attention of others, but I do know the first time it came to mine was the many posts here. I spent some time admiring his Survivor covers and thinking Frankie could use him.

I seem to recall Jeff saying in an interview Neal first heard about him and contacted him through MR/you. Damn Drew, Journey's last 2 lead vocalists! You're missing out on some serious finders fees here! :lol:

by **Duncan** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:56 am

Saint John wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Duncan wrote: I did come across someone called Fartindeanosmouth

LOL

Just what Dean needs to see today. Someone's gonna get blasted today!

I didn't make that up, this person posted once in 2006 I think it was.

by **RebornJrny** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:57 am

I remember when rumor flying around Pineda will be the next Journey's frontman, MR went crazy. It's like WW III started at MR and bullets are flying all over. Andrew (United Nations) did a good job stabilizing this site. :lol:

by **Tomulator** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:59 am

finalfight wrote:This is what I have said all along - there is NO way that it took Neal days to find Arnel on YouTube as he says. At around that time a search for Journey covers on YouTube would have brought up a Zoo band video within minutes if not seconds.

Yeah...but we're talking about Neal here.

:lol:

by **stevew2** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:10 am

CatEyes wrote:At one point Jonathan Cain said that his daughter fourn Arnel and brought him to Cain's attention.

That was going around for a while.

Then after the annuncement was made, Neal claimed to discover him.

Perhaps that was done to deflect some of the negative comments.

With Jouney, sometimes it is difficult to find the truth - everyone (including fans) have their own versions that they swear by and will get hostile if anyone doubts what their grandmother's hair dresser told them.

Cat

I wouldnt beleive anything Friga said, It was posted here first before him or Neal, kissed each other good morning

by **Tito** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:15 am

Andrew wrote:
Duncan wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Duncan wrote:That's interesting, but who first posted them on this site? I reckon Neal saw the links on here.

I agree

I take it you would have liked an acknowledgment ?

LOL...if I got upset at all the missed credits/stolen ideas over the years....well, you know...that's not why I do this anyway, so it doesn't matter

I don't know for sure where Arnel's name first came to the attention of others, but I do know the first time it came to mine was the many posts here. I spent some time admiring his Survivor covers and thinking Frankie could use him.

Didn't he basically give you credit for bringing Soto to his attention? That should be good enough.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:19 am

Yep, AJM made made the JSS/Schon connection one of the many things that goes down in the lore of our site.

by **Duncan** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:23 am

Duncan wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Duncan wrote: I did come across someone called Fartindeanosmouth

LOL

Just what Dean needs to see today. Someone's gonna get blasted today!

I didn't make that up, this person posted once in 2006 I think it was.

I have just realised that there is probably a very good reason why this person only managed one post :shock:

by **strangegrey** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:34 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Pineda's mgr's overly agressive self promotion...

That guy's a loose cannon.
He was running around online bashing jrny fans like a mini Toomey for a while.

I also feel he lacks some ethical credibility....but I like the fact that Kharma seems to swing strong in this business.

by **xfactor** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:20 am

As far as i can recall....

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=27875 first sighting of Arnel Pineda here on MR.

by **xfactor** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:23 am

oh, and this is much earlier... http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=24598

by **Duncan** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:28 am

xfactor wrote:oh, and this is much earlier... http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=24598

That's Tragchicks post, we already had that one.

by **Jeremey** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:33 am

Neal found Pineda on this site. Nora I believe was the first to post about him. Neal initially tested the waters in that "locknload" thread. This was while there was a lot of negativity about me here and elsewhere by JSS fans, which I think also played into Neal's paranoia about me...This was only a few days after I got back from CA, got the Schon-two step after my job offer, told them to look somewhere else. Cain and Toomey had a shit fit about it, telling Neal he had "scared off" another singer. Neal sent me an email saying he "didn't expect me to quit so easily." Neal then got Azoff and company to track down Arnel, proving to Cain and Toomey that he could pull off this coup, and then it took about a month to figure out how to get him to US. During that time Neal continued to text me, etc....Finally they got him to the states....Neal was adamant that this was the guy, and Cain at first wasn't so sold on the idea. But he continued to improve and recorded some really good demos of the material we had worked on, and the rest is history.

And that's the straight scoop!

by **bluejeangirl76** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:38 am

Jeremey wrote:This was only a few days after I got back from CA, got the Schon-two step after my job offer,

THAT cracked me straight up. :lol:

by **Duncan** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:39 am

Jeremey wrote:Neal found Pineda on this site. Nora I believe was the first to post about him. Neal initially tested the waters in that "locknload" thread. This was while there was a lot of negativity about me here and elsewhere by JSS fans, which I think also played into Neal's paranoia about me...This was only a few days after I got back from CA, got the Schon-two step after my job offer, told them to look somewhere else. Cain and Toomey had a shit fit about it, telling Neal he had "scared off" another singer. Neal sent me an email saying he "didn't expect me to quit so easily." Neal then got Azoff and company to track down Arnel, proving to Cain and Toomey that he could pull off this coup, and then it took about a month to figure out how to get him to US. During that time Neal continued to text me, etc....Finally they got him to the states....Neal was adamant that this was the guy, and Cain at first wasn't so sold on the idea. But he continued to improve and recorded some really good demos of the material we had worked on, and the rest is history.

And that's the straight scoop!

Wow - thanks for that.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:53 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Jeremey wrote:This was only a few days after I got back from CA, got the Schon-two step after my job offer,

THAT cracked me straight up.

LOL.....they don't teach that dance in dance school...I asked.

However, after taking a few classes on partnerships, I discovered that they *do* teach it in business school. It's the first topic when you get to "Partnerships: dissolutions and lawsuits"

by **Saint John** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:04 am

Jeremey wrote:This was while there was a lot of negativity about me here and elsewhere by JSS fans, which I think also played into Neal's paranoia about me..

I think some of your own fans were guilty of the exact same thing and may have led to some of that "paranoia." It was a crazy time.

by **Tito** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:23 am

Jeremey wrote:Neal initially tested the waters in that "locknload" thread. This was while there was a lot of negativity about me here and elsewhere by JSS fans, which I think also played into Neal's paranoia about me...

Well, that makes three singers they screwed/got fired.

by **Rick** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:40 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:fryrewings first pointed arnel out.. and took a beating .. as i remember..

I was one of the ones beating on him. I will say this though, Fyrewings never took a beating that he didn't earn. :lol:

by **conversationpc** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:45 am

Rick wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:fryrewings first pointed arnel out.. and took a beating .. as i remember..

I was one of the ones beating on him. I will say this though, Fyrewings never took a beating that he didn't earn.

How true!

by **RedWingFan** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:19 am

conversationpc wrote:
Rick wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:fryrewings first pointed arnel out.. and took a beating .. as i remember..

I was one of the ones beating on him. I will say this though, Fyrewings never took a beating that he didn't earn.

How true!

"Life finds a way" :lol:

by **busterrr** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:27 am

Jeremey wrote:Neal found Pineda on this site. Nora I believe was the first to post about him. Neal initially tested the waters in that "locknload" thread. This was while there was a lot of negativity about me here and elsewhere by JSS fans, which I think also played into Neal's paranoia about me...This was only a few days after I got back from CA, got the Schon-two step after my job offer, told them to look somewhere else. Cain and Toomey had a shit fit about it, telling Neal he had "scared off" another singer. Neal sent me an email saying he "didn't expect me to quit so easily." Neal then got Azoff and company to track down Arnel, proving to Cain and Toomey that he could pull off this coup, and then it took about a month to figure out how to get him to US. During that time Neal continued to text me, etc....Finally they got him to the states....Neal was adamant that this was the guy, and Cain at first wasn't so sold on the idea. But he continued to improve and recorded some really good demos of the material we had worked on, and the rest is history.

And that's the straight scoop!

thanks for that info...funny as hell going back and reading his 16 posts and seeing the know- it- alls arguing with him...one person even had the nerve to tell him he knew nothing ....HAHAHA...think their name was carlitto or something...talk about bitch slapped...it don't get no better than that..

by the way saw you in charlotte a few weeks ago...great show and will see you again when you are in town...thanks again for the REAL info

by **Jeremey** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:00 am

Saint John wrote:
Jeremey wrote:This was while there was a lot of negativity about me here and elsewhere by JSS fans, which I think also played into Neal's paranoia about me..

I think some of your own fans were guilty of the exact same thing and may have led to some of that "paranoia." It was a crazy time.

Eh. Not as much. My favorites were the JSS fans (I think his road manager that posts here as well) posted unflattering pictures of me from my impressions show about 6 years ago calling me a clown and what a joke Journey was. Well, water under the bridge as it was, to quote a phrase!

by **Saint John** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:06 am

Jeremey wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Jeremey wrote:This was while there was a lot of negativity about me here and elsewhere by JSS fans, which I think also played into Neal's paranoia about me..

I think some of your own fans were guilty of the exact same thing and may have led to some of that "paranoia." It was a crazy time.

Eh. Not as much. My favorites were the JSS fans (I think his road manager that posts here as well) posted unflattering pictures of me from my impressions show about 6 years ago calling me a clown and what a joke Journey was. Well, water under the bridge as it was, to quote a phrase!

I hear ya. You got blasted for singing and looking like Steve Perry while you were in a......COVER BAND!!! :roll: What were you thinking?!?! :roll:

by **kgdjpubs** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:14 am

Jeremey wrote:Cain and Toomey had a shit fit about it, telling Neal he had "scared off" another singer.

Another??? Am I missing something here?

by **texafana** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:17 am

Jeremey wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Jeremey wrote:This was while there was a lot of negativity about me here and elsewhere by JSS fans, which I think also played into Neal's paranoia about me..

I think some of your own fans were guilty of the exact same thing and may have led to some of that "paranoia." It was a crazy time.

Eh. Not as much. My favorites were the JSS fans (I think his road manager that posts here as well) posted unflattering pictures of me from my impressions show about 6 years ago calling me a clown and what a joke Journey was. Well, water under the bridge as it was, to quote a phrase!

dang bro, you're always supplying little pieces of the puzzle, like throwing us some bird feed once in a while, go ahead and write that one "tells all" blog, story, book, etc, and let's read it all in one setting.

lol.. And get your ass to Dallas!!

MR

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