will perry return?

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:51 am

I like turtles.

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:51 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

Hey thanks for chipping in Mr Mature. But I'm wondering...what's brought you here to a forum where people discuss a band that doesn't know you?

ok i wont post anymore seen as u seem to b in charge...sir.

p.s i didn't know journey had any fans under 10

Well your here arnt you?

where the hell did that come from??? all i said was 2 these guys 2 grow up and stop arguing like kids

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:52 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:where the hell did that come from??? all i said was 2 these guys 2 grow up and stop arguing like kids

Why do you care?

by **Rhiannon** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:52 am

NealIsGod wrote:I like turtles.

My favorite color is clear!

by **Matthew** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:53 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

Hey thanks for chipping in Mr Mature. But I'm wondering...what's brought you here to a forum where people discuss a band that doesn't know you?

ok i wont post anymore seen as u seem to b in charge...sir.

p.s i didn't know journey had any fans under 10

No, no Irwin..you are the one in charge and I trust you'll be imposing some discipline around here given all the childishness which you are so clearly not a part of...

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:55 am

Matthew wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

Hey thanks for chipping in Mr Mature. But I'm wondering...what's brought you here to a forum where people discuss a band that doesn't know you?

ok i wont post anymore seen as u seem to b in charge...sir.

p.s i didn't know journey had any fans under 10

No, no Irwin..you are the one in charge and I trust you'll be imposing some discipline around here given all the childishness which you are so clearly not a part of...

c this is why i never used to visit forums, because all people seem to do is bitch and fight??? whats the point? wud u bitch and fight if u met thses people in real life? i think not!

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:56 am

Just skip the threads you don't care about, Irwin. It's not that hard.

by **Rhiannon** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:56 am

Matthew wrote:And you fell ill or lost motivation and got fired.

'Cept Perry makes it seem hard to believe he "fell ill". Notwithstanding Hipgate's mythology, you burn out once... ok. Twice... huh? Thrice... notice a pattern? And if you lose motivation you deserve to get fired. And if you get fired and someone else takes all your glory, well... should've thought about that before you pussed out, Mildred, because that's life! :lol:

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:57 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:where the hell did that come from??? all i said was 2 these guys 2 grow up and stop arguing like kids

Why do you care?

because i started this topic but i didn't realise it was gonna end up with people arguing!!! whats the point in that?

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:58 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:where the hell did that come from??? all i said was 2 these guys 2 grow up and stop arguing like kids

Why do you care?

because i started this topic but i didn't realise it was gonna end up with people arguing!!! whats the point in that?

70% of threads in here do end up that way, so the odds were against you, Fletch. :lol:

And this is nothing. You should have been here for the classic brawls during tapegate.

by **Saint John** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:01 am

Matthew wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Matthew wrote:2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

And I imagine in a similar situation you would have rolled over and allowed your colleagues to profit from your work..after they'd fired you.

Perry quit on his bandmates and the fact that he didn't tour from 1986 to 1998 (or since for that matter!) proves that. He fired himself by refusing to tour. When employees refuse to work you have to tell them they're fired because that's obviously what they want.

So you would have rolled over? Say there was a project at work you co-designed and were the public face of the project too. And you fell ill or lost motivation and got fired. Would you really just forfeit all claims of the work you've done when you were healthy and/or motivated? You'd just let your colleagues go ahead and take all the cash?

If so..then you're a muppet.

Perry deserves to get paid for what he contributed. However, what is created while in the "corporation" is also their right to use when you exit the corporation...your royalties being paid of course. Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of Microsoft not too long ago, but before doing so, he didn't try and run it into the fucking ground. He didn't put his burnout on everyone else. He's tired so everyone else should be? He can't do it anymore so the company should just fold? Get the fuck outta here.

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:01 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:where the hell did that come from??? all i said was 2 these guys 2 grow up and stop arguing like kids

Why do you care?

because i started this topic but i didn't realise it was gonna end up with people arguing!!! whats the point in that?

70% of threads in here do end up that way, so the odds were against you, Fletch. And this is nothing. You should have been here for the classic brawls during tapegate.

fair enough, ill leave u all 2 it,lol. and its fletcher, not fletch,lol

by **Matthew** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:21 am

Saint John wrote:

Perry deserves to get paid for what he contributed. However, what is created while in the "corporation" is also their right to use when you exit the corporation...your royalties being paid of course. Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of Microsoft not too long ago, but before doing so, he didn't try and run it into the fucking ground. He didn't put his burnout on everyone else. He's tired so everyone else should be? He can't do it anymore so the company should just fold? Get the fuck outta here.

Those old Rolling Stone journos who slammed the band for being a soulless and cynical corporate rock act would love posts like this...

It's a BAND Saint John. With ROCK STARS. And...shock horror...sometimes they behave badly and selfishly.

Interestingly though...the only two members of the band who have ever taken responsibility for their past actions and admitted they were wrong are...Perry and Smith. Maybe you ought to factor that in to this resentful mantra you keep repeating about his past misdeeds. Perry is in a very different place now it seems to me....whereas you are like a stuck fucking record.

by **Saint John** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:34 am

Matthew wrote:.

Interestingly though...the only two members of the band who have ever taken responsibility for their past actions and admitted they were wrong are...Perry and Smith. Maybe you ought to factor that in to this resentful mantra you keep repeating about his past misdeeds. Perry is in a very different place now it seems to me....whereas you are like a stuck fucking record.

Perry only admitted to the most obvious of mistakes. Nothing else. He still plays the plausible deniability card at every turn. He's turned himself into a sympathetic figure and perpetuated the ridiculous notion that he's "still as good as anytime in the mid 80's" through his collection of hand-picked bullhorns. Really quite silly.

by **Arkansas** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:39 am

NealIsGod wrote:I like turtles.

I like dreamin'!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5-95uKf ... re=related

later~

by **Matthew** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:54 am

Saint John wrote:Perry only admitted to the most obvious of mistakes. Nothing else.

Who are you? His Roman Catholic priest? Surely the "obvious mistakes" are enough?

He still plays the plausible deniability card at every turn.

I have no idea what you mean by this comment. Got any examples?

He's turned himself into a sympathetic figure

No - he's just being the way he is. The "sympathetic" aspect depends entirely on the perceiver. I've felt sympathetic toward him since the 1980s. You did too until you developed this weird, fetishishtic resentment toward him.

perpetuated the ridiculous notion that he's "still as good as anytime in the mid 80's" through his collection of hand-picked bullhorns. Really quite silly.

Ah..the Mafia Godfather scenario...the evil ruler pulling the strings. Oh come on...look at the words from the man himself...he's often said he needs to find out if he's still got it. He has never claimed ONCE that he is stiill at hs peak and if you think he bribed or bullied Joe Benson into saying that remark then you must be losing the plot, Saint John.

by **DracIsBack** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:57 am

Tito wrote:I stated here a week or two ago, everybody has reunited at one time in the last decade.

That's why I have such trouble with making an absolute declaration of "never going to happen". Too many weird, weird, weird, weird things in this industry. Roth and Van Halen, the Eagles, the Police and many others.

The exceptions were Perry/Journey and Cetera/Chicago. Right now, neither needs them right now

The Journey/Perry thing is probably less likely that the Cetera/Chicago thing as that seems more cut-off. Cetera sang on Bill Champlin's recent solo album, for example so it's not quite the same as not giving out a phone number as much as a case of "we've moved on, it's been twenty years". Plus, Cetera still sings live and records, whereas Perry doesn't really do either. Cetera doesn't quite sing as high as he once did, but still sounds similar (age vs. age+damage) and the Chicago catalog (while high) isn't as vocally punishing as the Journey catalog.

Still, why wait around for a reunion of any band? if they wanna do it, they'll do it. If they don't wanna, they won't.

by **Matthew** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:00 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Matthew wrote:And you fell ill or lost motivation and got fired.

'Cept Perry makes it seem hard to believe he "fell ill". Notwithstanding Hipgate's mythology, you burn out once... ok. Twice... huh? Thrice... notice a pattern? And if you lose motivation you deserve to get fired. And if you get fired and someone else takes all your glory, well... should've thought about that before you pussed out, Mildred, because that's life!

Rhiannon - I take it you have a thing for troubled, sensitive guys...

by **Rhiannon** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:03 am

Matthew wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Matthew wrote:And you fell ill or lost motivation and got fired.

'Cept Perry makes it seem hard to believe he "fell ill". Notwithstanding Hipgate's mythology, you burn out once... ok. Twice... huh? Thrice... notice a pattern? And if you lose motivation you deserve to get fired. And if you get fired and someone else takes all your glory, well... should've thought about that before you pussed out, Mildred, because that's life!

Rhiannon - I take it you have a thing for troubled, sensitive guys...

I love Perry, I'm just a critical bitch from time to time. :wink:

...Troubled, sensitive guys... lol... emo boys? You suggesting Perry is emo? :lol:

by **musicfan17** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:05 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
musicfan17 wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
c'mon, everyone would want to see perry rejoin journey! but would it be the same? probably not.

Ummm. NO! Not everyone wants to see SP rejoin Journey...probably not the majority of us. And NO...it wouldn't be the same. These days...I'd take Arnel over SP any freakin' day. SP era of Journey is over. Thankfully.

I like the new/current Journey just fine thank you.

fair enough my friend but i disagree with u, i think most wud love 2 c perry rejoin journey even if they dont admit it

O.K. So let me be clear about my opinion....I absolutely loved Steve Perry's voice in his prime. But he is now a close to 60 year old singer who has done nothing for a decade. From the Frontiers tour forward...not close to the same voice he once had. That was 83! This is 2008 people!

Arnel's voice is right for Journey present day. I have zero interest...zero in seeing SP fronting Journey again. Origianl SP solo material...yes. But...Anyone who thinks SP would be a better vocalist for Journey these days is off their freakin' rocker! Besides as much as some of the loons around here would love to see it...SP isn't coming back.

by **Matthew** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:07 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Matthew wrote:And you fell ill or lost motivation and got fired.

'Cept Perry makes it seem hard to believe he "fell ill". Notwithstanding Hipgate's mythology, you burn out once... ok. Twice... huh? Thrice... notice a pattern? And if you lose motivation you deserve to get fired. And if you get fired and someone else takes all your glory, well... should've thought about that before you pussed out, Mildred, because that's life!

Rhiannon - I take it you have a thing for troubled, sensitive guys...

I love Perry, I'm just a critical bitch from time to time.

...Troubled, sensitive guys... lol... emo boys? You suggesting Perry is emo?

Oh no...maybe he is....

Seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEJDGLF-e18

by **Rhiannon** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:12 am

by **Don** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:21 am

DracIsBack wrote:
Tito wrote:I stated here a week or two ago, everybody has reunited at one time in the last decade.

That's why I have such trouble with making an absolute declaration of "never going to happen". Too many weird, weird, weird, weird things in this industry. Roth and Van Halen, the Eagles, the Police and many others.

The exceptions were Perry/Journey and Cetera/Chicago. Right now, neither needs them right now

The Journey/Perry thing is probably less likely that the Cetera/Chicago thing as that seems more cut-off. Cetera sang on Bill Champlin's recent solo album, for example so it's not quite the same as not giving out a phone number as much as a case of "we've moved on, it's been twenty years". Plus, Cetera still sings live and records, whereas Perry doesn't really do either. Cetera doesn't quite sing as high as he once did, but still sounds similar (age vs. age+damage) and the Chicago catalog (while high) isn't as vocally punishing as the Journey catalog.

Still, why wait around for a reunion of any band? if they wanna do it, they'll do it. If they don't wanna, they won't.

Peter Cetera tries and that is all you can ask. We bought their stuff, both fan and artist got something out of it, but it's nice to see some artists still giving back to the fans. The Moody Blues, Bruce Springsteen and others are still bringing it. Perry doesn't owe fans anything and he gives fans nothing. It's all business with him which is fine but he hasn't proven that he is this lovable saint that his diehard fans make him out to be. Why does he lead you fans on with hints about putting something out or working on new stuff? Is it for you the fan or to make himself feel relevent? As an artist Perry has my respect 100%, as a human being, I'll take the Artists who don't put a statute of limitations on giving back to people who have put them on top of the hill, or at least being honest enough to say they don't have it anymore.

by **Matthew** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:25 am

Gunbot wrote:Why does he lead you fans on with hints about putting something out or working on new stuff? Is it for you the fan or to make himself feel relevent? .

Or maybe he just doesn't know what he wants to do and is keeping his options open...

by **bluejeangirl76** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:31 am

Rhiannon wrote:And if you get fired and someone else takes all your glory, well... should've thought about that before you pussed out, Mildred, because that's life!

Oh no you didn't just. :shock:

You know, I think of him more as a "Bonnie" anyway.

by **Rhiannon** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:09 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:And if you get fired and someone else takes all your glory, well... should've thought about that before you pussed out, Mildred, because that's life!

Oh no you didn't just.

You know, I think of him more as a "Bonnie" anyway.

Sorry... can't think, mind clouded. Explain later.

by **Marabelle** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:21 am

Gubot wrote: Perry doesn't owe fans anything and he gives fans nothing. It's all business with him which is fine but he hasn't proven that he is this lovable saint that his diehard fans make him out to be.

Wait a minute there! That statement sounds fabulously great if it were true and he was in fact the result of demonspawn. He's not such a bad guy; he's not evil or trying to wring out the last dollars from the band, or suing anyone at the moment; but I do know that he does care about his diehard fans and it is not always about the business. So, think about what you write cause it does sound ridiculous making those global statements about someone you don't know.

by **xflajrnylvr** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:35 am

*Sigh..as he walks away head down, wondering when they will just stop asking...* :roll:

by **Don** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:42 am

Marabelle wrote:Gubot wrote: Perry doesn't owe fans anything and he gives fans nothing. It's all business with him which is fine but he hasn't proven that he is this lovable saint that his diehard fans make him out to be.

Wait a minute there! That statement sounds fabulously great if it were true and he was in fact the result of demonspawn. He's not such a bad guy; he's not evil or trying to wring out the last dollars from the band, or suing anyone at the moment; but I do know that he does care about his diehard fans and it is not always about the business. So, think about what you write cause it does sound ridiculous making those global statements about someone you don't know.

I don't think I called him anything that relates to demonspawn. But for people always dropping the" He's admitted he made some mistakes" acting like that absolves him of everything doesn't jive with me. I have never called him a bad word in my life but this one sided bashing against the other guys is hypocritical. I know him probably as much as you do of course. I am using the same opinion shield everyone else welds when they trash other members of the band. I would expect it to sound ridiculous to someone with a differing opinion but It's what I think so I am expressing it, I'm sure my own self esteem will make it though the day regardless.

by **bluejeangirl76** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:43 am

Marabelle wrote:Wait a minute there! That statement sounds fabulously great if it were true and he was in fact the result of demonspawn. He's not such a bad guy; he's not evil or trying to wring out the last dollars from the band, or suing anyone at the moment; but I do know that he does care about his diehard fans and it is not always about the business. So, think about what you write cause it does sound ridiculous making those global statements about someone you don't know..

And you do know him? Coming off like you know him and then telling someone else not to speak about someone they don't know doesn't make any sense. But you do happen to be right - it does sound ridiculous.

Its funny how so many people talk like they know him, what he thinks, why he did this or that, what he will or won't do and what he cares about... :roll:

MR

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