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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:25 am

STORY_TELLER wrote:That means should Revelation go platinum, to those who don't know better (i.e. you, scarabgator, etc.), they will think and likely tout it sold as many units as any other single platinum album from any other band.


That is an assumptionmade on your part. Not wise...

Apparantly you want everyone to acknowledge that this is a "Gold selling 2 Disc set" so as not to confuse the general buyer (who actually probably does not know how many CDs it takes to reach Gold ANYWAY) with a GOLD selling single disc set.

STORY_TELLER wrote:When Neal and co. place the placard trophy for a platinum sales figure on Revelation up on the wall next to their other platinum trophies, deep down they'll know they didn't truly match the distribution they achieved on those other single albums.


But they will also know that for a classic rock band with a 30+ year career releasing music in todays world of "illegal" downloading that THIS is a helluvan accomplishment and that will likely raise a smile. (And maybe a middle finger to the naysayers. And Perry if there is still any petty feelings there.)
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Postby amaron » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:43 am

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STORY_TELLER wrote:When TBF reached platinum it was because a million people purchased the single disk album.


TBF SHIPPED platinum so we could argue that if only 250,000 shipped it wouldn't be Platinum yet!


That is incorrect.

TBF was certified platinum in December of 1996... but released in October 1996.

But the fact remains that 1,000,000 people did not buy TBF in 3 months. If they did, it would have been on the charts for longer than it was.


TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...


If TBF shipped 1 million albums, then it would have been #1 on the charts. It was not, and it dropped off the charts the next week.

Also, you want to explain this link to me: http://blogs.usatoday.com/listenup/2007 ... eir-b.html

I'd like to know how TBF has gone 2X when an article from 2007 says it's sold 1.2 million. You really going to try and say that there are 800k copies of TBF floating around? Also, you don't think Sony would do everything in their power to get that 2x cert THE DAY it rolled over 2,000,000?
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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:50 am

Well, as for TBF, I stand corrected. I had read somewhere that TBF finally went on to sell 2 million. But the RIAA does not have that certification.

But an album shipping platinum does not mean it will be #1 on any chart. First off, I don't know what the sales numbers for the #1 and #2 album were. Second, the charts are still about sales.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:37 am

I suspect TBF never actually sold 1 million copies and it sure as shit in a baby's diaper did not sell 2 million. My guess is that Sony did everything possible to inflate the numbers to get The Portuguese Anteater to cut the act and tour.
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Postby Rick » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:44 am

Saint John wrote:I suspect TBF never actually sold 1 million copies and it sure as shit in a baby's diaper did not sell 2 million. My guess is that Sony did everything possible to inflate the numbers to get The Portuguese Anteater to cut the act and tour.


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Postby S2M » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:50 am

Saint John wrote:I suspect TBF never actually sold 1 million copies and it sure as shit in a baby's diaper did not sell 2 million. My guess is that Sony did everything possible to inflate the numbers to get The Portuguese Anteater to cut the act and tour.


Get your facts straight, SJ....it was John Villaneuva's Portuguese cousin...... :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:56 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:
Saint John wrote:I suspect TBF never actually sold 1 million copies and it sure as shit in a baby's diaper did not sell 2 million. My guess is that Sony did everything possible to inflate the numbers to get The Portuguese Anteater to cut the act and tour.


Get your facts straight, SJ....it was John Villaneuva's Portuguese cousin...... :wink:


The John Villaneuva Appreciation Thread was on the horizon. Tito gave me the lineup and John and various members of the road crew were to be commended soon enough. But Drew gave in to the extortionist policies of the perpetual whiners that continue to treat his inbox like a sperm bank and it's simply not to be. :( :evil:
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Postby Don » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:33 am

Saint John wrote:
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Saint John wrote:I suspect TBF never actually sold 1 million copies and it sure as shit in a baby's diaper did not sell 2 million. My guess is that Sony did everything possible to inflate the numbers to get The Portuguese Anteater to cut the act and tour.


Get your facts straight, SJ....it was John Villaneuva's Portuguese cousin...... :wink:


The John Villaneuva Appreciation Thread was on the horizon. Tito gave me the lineup and John and various members of the road crew were to be commended soon enough. But Drew gave in to the extortionist policies of the perpetual whiners that continue to treat his inbox like a sperm bank and it's simply not to be. :( :evil:


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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:41 am

Yes....it's true!!!! :cry:

BTW Gunbot....that picture is breaking my heart!!!! :cry: :wink:
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Postby Since 78 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:44 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Yes....it's true!!!! :cry:

BTW Gunbot....that picture is breaking my heart!!!! :cry: :wink:


I know you were shattered!!! Sorry!! MG :lol: :lol:
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:45 am

Why all the long faces in this thread?
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Postby Don » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:46 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Yes....it's true!!!! :cry:

BTW Gunbot....that picture is breaking my heart!!!! :cry: :wink:

Okay I went with another but I hope it conveys the same amount of anguish as the original one.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:48 am

Gunbot wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Yes....it's true!!!! :cry:

BTW Gunbot....that picture is breaking my heart!!!! :cry: :wink:

Okay I went with another but I hope it conveys the same amount of anguish as the original one.


:lol:

Yes it does...that was kind of you!!!! :wink:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:52 am

Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Yes....it's true!!!! :cry:

BTW Gunbot....that picture is breaking my heart!!!! :cry: :wink:


I know you were shattered!!! Sorry!! MG :lol: :lol:


I was pretty rough, eh?
But, they grew on me and became fun!!! Kinda makes me sad when I
don't have anything to complain about!!!! :lol: :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:36 am

Lora wrote:
Monker wrote:the rule should be changed because of how these packages are now being put together. That rule was designed for multi albums, such as Captured, to be given a fair shot. Revelation is not a true 'double album'. It's Revelation, Recollection, and a DVD...three seperate things...and they should not be counted as one. It's 'following the rules'. It is not, however, in the spirit of why that rule was created.


I agree.

with Monker.

on something.

OMG.

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Postby slucero » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:41 pm

Monker wrote:
Eric wrote:
STORY_TELLER wrote:When TBF reached platinum it was because a million people purchased the single disk album.


TBF SHIPPED platinum so we could argue that if only 250,000 shipped it wouldn't be Platinum yet!


And, Arrival SHIPPED at less then gold...causing it to sell out quickly at reatail and not be available for purchase...a fact that even Kevin Shirley alluded to when he said Sony had their expectations and would not accept anything else.

So, by your own rule above, and common sense, Arrival was never given it's fair chance by Sony, as TBF was.

As for the multi-package deal and gold status. It's gold, so what. But, the rule should be changed because of how these packages are now being put together. That rule was designed for multi albums, such as Captured, to be given a fair shot. Revelation is not a true 'double album'. It's Revelation, Recollection, and a DVD...three seperate things...and they should not be counted as one. It's 'following the rules'. It is not, however, in the spirit of why that rule was created.



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Postby Allied Forces » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:53 pm

slucero wrote:
Monker wrote:
Eric wrote:
STORY_TELLER wrote:When TBF reached platinum it was because a million people purchased the single disk album.


TBF SHIPPED platinum so we could argue that if only 250,000 shipped it wouldn't be Platinum yet!


And, Arrival SHIPPED at less then gold...causing it to sell out quickly at reatail and not be available for purchase...a fact that even Kevin Shirley alluded to when he said Sony had their expectations and would not accept anything else.

So, by your own rule above, and common sense, Arrival was never given it's fair chance by Sony, as TBF was.

As for the multi-package deal and gold status. It's gold, so what. But, the rule should be changed because of how these packages are now being put together. That rule was designed for multi albums, such as Captured, to be given a fair shot. Revelation is not a true 'double album'. It's Revelation, Recollection, and a DVD...three seperate things...and they should not be counted as one. It's 'following the rules'. It is not, however, in the spirit of why that rule was created.



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Postby Jodes » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:56 pm

Its really too bad that Journey can't go back and re-release Arrival with the 2001 concert as the "bonus" DVD.

And forever bury Red 13 and Generations.. BLECH!
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Postby Don » Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:02 pm

Jodes wrote:Its really too bad that Journey can't go back and re-release Arrival with the 2001 concert as the "bonus" DVD.

And forever bury Red 13 and Generations.. BLECH!


You'll probably see that cd/dvd package in the future, for $9.99 and remastered ( but He who shall not be named will not be doing the remastering of course )
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Postby Since 78 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:08 pm

Gunbot wrote:
Jodes wrote:Its really too bad that Journey can't go back and re-release Arrival with the 2001 concert as the "bonus" DVD.

And forever bury Red 13 and Generations.. BLECH!


You'll probably see that cd/dvd package in the future, for $9.99 and remastered ( but He who shall not be named will not be doing the remastering of course )


Good one GB!! :lol: :lol:
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Postby journeypower » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:52 pm

EightyRock wrote:Yeah, include me in there, too. You'll see more Perry-era gems dusted off and re-recorded for the next CD, too. If they could do this on their own merit ONLY, then they could claim they'd had some success. So far, their success has been (as always) on Perry's coat tails.


if the re-record charts better than the new song, then you got a valid argument. as far as revelation is concerned, the audience are digging the new materials more rather than the re-records. still Perry's coat tails? me logically thinks....NOT !!!
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Postby amaron » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:46 am

I wouldn't be adverse to Journey re-recording some of the more obscure Perry-era tunes.

I've become a big fan of the Only the Young remake.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:20 am

amaron wrote:I wouldn't be adverse to Journey re-recording some of the more obscure Perry-era tunes.

I've become a big fan of the Only the Young remake.



How about the new Stone In Love? What a tune.

Pineda even homaged perry with his whispered *stone...in love* before the spectacular guitars/keys outro
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Postby amaron » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:53 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
amaron wrote:I wouldn't be adverse to Journey re-recording some of the more obscure Perry-era tunes.

I've become a big fan of the Only the Young remake.



How about the new Stone In Love? What a tune.

Pineda even homaged perry with his whispered *stone...in love* before the spectacular guitars/keys outro


I think the updated instruments are what I like most about the remakes that I do like.
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Postby slucero » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:30 am

Allied Forces wrote:
slucero wrote:
Monker wrote:
Eric wrote:
STORY_TELLER wrote:When TBF reached platinum it was because a million people purchased the single disk album.


TBF SHIPPED platinum so we could argue that if only 250,000 shipped it wouldn't be Platinum yet!


And, Arrival SHIPPED at less then gold...causing it to sell out quickly at reatail and not be available for purchase...a fact that even Kevin Shirley alluded to when he said Sony had their expectations and would not accept anything else.

So, by your own rule above, and common sense, Arrival was never given it's fair chance by Sony, as TBF was.

As for the multi-package deal and gold status. It's gold, so what. But, the rule should be changed because of how these packages are now being put together. That rule was designed for multi albums, such as Captured, to be given a fair shot. Revelation is not a true 'double album'. It's Revelation, Recollection, and a DVD...three seperate things...and they should not be counted as one. It's 'following the rules'. It is not, however, in the spirit of why that rule was created.



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Postby Rick » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:11 am

slucero wrote:
Allied Forces wrote:
slucero wrote:
Monker wrote:
Eric wrote:
STORY_TELLER wrote:When TBF reached platinum it was because a million people purchased the single disk album.


TBF SHIPPED platinum so we could argue that if only 250,000 shipped it wouldn't be Platinum yet!


And, Arrival SHIPPED at less then gold...causing it to sell out quickly at reatail and not be available for purchase...a fact that even Kevin Shirley alluded to when he said Sony had their expectations and would not accept anything else.

So, by your own rule above, and common sense, Arrival was never given it's fair chance by Sony, as TBF was.

As for the multi-package deal and gold status. It's gold, so what. But, the rule should be changed because of how these packages are now being put together. That rule was designed for multi albums, such as Captured, to be given a fair shot. Revelation is not a true 'double album'. It's Revelation, Recollection, and a DVD...three seperate things...and they should not be counted as one. It's 'following the rules'. It is not, however, in the spirit of why that rule was created.



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Postby separate_wayz » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:39 am

amaron wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
amaron wrote:I wouldn't be adverse to Journey re-recording some of the more obscure Perry-era tunes.

I've become a big fan of the Only the Young remake.



How about the new Stone In Love? What a tune.

Pineda even homaged perry with his whispered *stone...in love* before the spectacular guitars/keys outro


I think the updated instruments are what I like most about the remakes that I do like.


The re-recorded "Stone in Love" is fantastic. Disc 2 of 'Revelation' is truly ..... well, a revelation. Arnel manages (in my opinion) to meet or exceed the original recordings (yes, those recordings -- the ones with Steve Perry) in 9 of the 11 songs. In some of these re-recordings, the instrumentals are also better. My comparison is:

+ better than the original
Only the Young
Wheel in the Sky
Any Way You Want It
Who's Crying Now

= as good as the original
Open Arms
Lights
Be Good to Yourself
Stone in Love

- not as good as the original
Faithfully
Separate Ways


For the record, the 'Revelation' DVD version of "Separate Ways" is (in my opinion) the best version of that song, including the original version and the one from 'Greatest Hits Live'. Arnel totally nails it .....
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Postby Matthew » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:41 am

separate_wayz wrote:+ better than the original
Only the Young
Wheel in the Sky
Any Way You Want It
Who's Crying Now

= as good as the original
Open Arms
Lights
Be Good to Yourself
Stone in Love






It'll be interesting to see if you feel this way in six months time....
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Postby Saint John » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:56 am

Only the Young-Arnel
Wheel in the Sky-Even
Any Way You Want It-I'm completely indifferent to either recording
Who's Crying Now-Perry by a mile
Open Arms-Arnel
Lights-Gay song...who gives a shit.
Be Good to Yourself-Both versions rock.
Stone in Love-Perry by a good amount
Faithfully-Perry...though both versions kick ass.
Separate Ways-Perry
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Postby Monker » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:58 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Should we lop almost half of Catpured's sales?
How about Pink Floyd's The Wall?
Nah, just make Journey do it for Revelation. :lol:


No.

But, the RIAA should recognize the difference between "The Wall" and packages such as Revelation, how the system is being twisted, and change that rule. If they can't do that, then they lose credibility and the awards have a lot less meaning.

If people here can't recognize the difference between "The Wall" and Revelation, then the people here are pretty damn stupid.
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