The Journey Board

[Behshad]

Point of parliamentary procedure. I would just like to make clear, I did NOT start this dust up in any way shape or form. However, I would like to point out that this latest dust up does prove my second point I brought up before (particularly the last sentence):

"2. Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there. I would say the same thing about any former member of the band who had their own forum. They do not, Soto does. So, I would suggest all Soto topics be placed there and any other former or current member topics stay in the Journey forum unless Mr. McNeice decides to open up another forum for a former/current member(s). This could in the future and would have in the past prevented some dust ups."

to which I responded that we will still post here to support JSS,,,, so get ready for some more dust.....

[Tito]

His name was somewhat familiar because he played in a band with NS previously, but couldn't have picked him out of a lineup if I had to.

I could say something. But I won't.

[Rhiannon]

Andrew is so not gonna have a happy Thursday morning.

[ScarabGator]

JSS may well have his own section on this board, but he was a member of Journey, whether you accept that or not - and during his brief tenure, he won a lot of people over. It is only human nature that he will be discussed here as well as in the section devoted to his solo projects.

Please define "a lot."

There you go - that reply is precisely what I mean.
Sarcasm. Without humour.

I don't have the details of precisely how many seats there are at the various venues Journey played in Europe last year - but I would say they hold 'a lot' of people.
We were expecting SA. We got JSS. The audiences I was a member of looked 'won over' to me.

And I was at a show that a lot of the audience was pissed because there was a guy up there singing who didn't sound like the guy that replaced Perry. What does it prove? Nothing.

It proves that you can define "a lot"

I can also twist a cherry stem with my tongue. I'm good like that.

REALLY???????

[Onestepper]

Andrew,
Sorry, but I don't think it makes sense to me.

That's a double standard for silliness.
Silly homosexual innuendo against individual Journey members is okay,
but just-as-silly appreciation for the same folks is verboten?
(Unless it's coming from the Loons, LOL..)

For what it's worth, I don't think Drew has ever forbidden "appreciation threads".

The words of Andrew's opening post on this thread notwithstanding,
he HAS actually locked at least one down, on principle of BEING so appreciative:
Ross Valory Appreciation Thread
and if a site-owner's action isn't indicative of policy, then hey *shrug*. There was nothing stopping
negative comment on Ross' playing/humor/skincare from surfacing there, or in its own threads.

He has locked another thread down, apparently on principle of being as-syrupy silly:
Fun Forum Game,
which I, from a personal standpoint, supported because I thought it was trivial, unrelated to Journey,
and a potential bandwidth hog, (the board is not unfamiliar with bandwidth issues, no?) although I must admit,
the interlude soon had me wondering where that would leave the venerable "Single Word Thread", or
"The 2008 MR Forum Member Photo Gallery", and a host of other such non-Journey-related silliness.
The sense of community here would suffer if all silliness was to be discouraged.

Silly homosexual innuendo against individual Journey members is okay,

Actually it's not. I have asked those comments to stop and I trust they will.

Well, that's a bit of a dodge, Andrew.
"Those comments" seem to have been able to prosper here for quite some time.
These appreciation threads however, seem to have earned intervention far more quickly.

As you claimed at the start of this thread, MR is "a place where folks could say how they
really felt about this band and other topics, without fear of being closed down because
you weren't a cheerleader for the band."

Organizing forum members to buy quantities of Revelation in excess of personal need,
just to attain gold/platinum status for the album --now THAT is cheerleading, and I don't
think that sort of fluff has ever prospered here, nor ever can.

The board has indeed been shifting towards a positive sentiment towards Journey.
That isn't a problem, because the critical members of the forum seem just as critical
as before --they just see a decent album, a rechargedband, and are appreciative of it.
Is your Revelation review to be dismissed just because it was positive?
Because appreciated the content?

We've expressed negative criticism in both serious and silly manner, and while the latter
can lead to misinterpretation, this place wouldn't have the sense of community it enjoys
without some silliness.

Why can't that same silliness attend the expression of positive criticism? of appreciation?
You can trust your board's members to hammer any real cheerleaders into a more critical
mode of appreciation.

Your board's quality and identity goes beyond being a mere antithesis of some other,
and I think it doesn't need to keep referencing some sad baseline to define itself.
Its qualities speak for itself. Be proud of it, and don't think so little of its durability.

Hey, you asked for comment.
I'm done.

-wech.

*Stands up and applauds* Couldn't have said any better, and I'm glad someone less lazy than me did!

[Onestepper]

His name was somewhat familiar because he played in a band with NS previously, but couldn't have picked him out of a lineup if I had to.

I could say something. But I won't.

Now stop it. I can edit it if people are offended, but if they are....just wow.

[RedWingFan]

Andrew is so not gonna have a happy Thursday morning.

Stop making me laugh dingbat!

[Deb]

Point of parliamentary procedure. I would just like to make clear, I did NOT start this dust up in any way shape or form. However, I would like to point out that this latest dust up does prove my second point I brought up before (particularly the last sentence):

"2. Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there. I would say the same thing about any former member of the band who had their own forum. They do not, Soto does. So, I would suggest all Soto topics be placed there and any other former or current member topics stay in the Journey forum unless Mr. McNeice decides to open up another forum for a former/current member(s). This could in the future and would have in the past prevented some dust ups."

Soto is a part of Journey's past, like it or not. And "any and all things" Journey get talked about here.

[Behshad]

His name was somewhat familiar because he played in a band with NS previously, but couldn't have picked him out of a lineup if I had to.

I could say something. But I won't.

oh please say something

[Rhiannon]

Andrew is so not gonna have a happy Thursday morning.

Stop making me laugh dingbat!

Sorry, snotass.

[Saint John]

Soto is a part of Journey's past, like it or not. And "any and all things" Journey get talked about here.

So is Robert Fleischman except to an exponentially larger degree. What's your point?

[Deb]

* You didnt say anything to this extreme about Jeff untill Tito joined you and THATS A FACT

* Unlike you, I dont listen to music BECAUSE it is popular. I listen to it because its good. I dont have to have your opinion or others to enjoy good music. I decide it base don what I like , not based on the top 10 list of southern Chicago ... Radio play means shit to me, cause 90% of the radio stuff today is SHIT.....


* Jeff was not just a temporary fix, like you think he was. He was hired to finish the tour and later on approached and announced at the NEW SINGER. You come with your insider info you get from Susie, but for the real answers you will never be close enough to the band to state your fake facts and "you know who you are", deano-wannabe statements.

*If youre trying to prove a point that Jeff isnt as popular as Journey, its a no-brainer..... but I can guarantee you that his fans are more loyal to him than Journey fans ever will be to Journey and thats ANOTHER FACT for you. You see, when I go to a show with 200 people there to see Jeff, they are all true Jeff fans and theyre all there to see him,,, and they know all his songs and they know all about him,,,,,, when you go to a Journey show, with lets say 20.000,,,, 19000 of those people show up there just to party and have some fun,,,, just like they were there the last week for band X and next week for Band Y.......only a 1000 will show up there for the BANDS i and out of that a third of it is true Journey fans,,,,,


Now , you have made your points clear to all of us regarding where Jeff stands, in your opinon, backed by all your facts. But anytime you bring it up, just know that we will respond. Its simple...... You go back in this very thread and see how and why Jeff was brought up and by whom. If you start it, We'll finish it for you. And thats your final fact for today.

Could I get a hell ya!

[Saint John]

to which I responded that we will still post here to support JSS

Of course you will. You're in too deep now. If the embarrassing numbers from the solo tour and last weekend didn't shut you up I don't expect anything ever will.

[Deb]

Soto is a part of Journey's past, like it or not. And "any and all things" Journey get talked about here.

So is Robert Fleischman except to an exponentially larger degree. What's your point?

Just responding to Tito's post about past members not being talked about here. I'm not the one with the problem of past members being talked about. If somebody wants to talk about Robert Fleishman, have at her.

[Saint John]

Soto is a part of Journey's past, like it or not. And "any and all things" Journey get talked about here.

So is Robert Fleischman except to an exponentially larger degree. What's your point?

Just responding to Tito's post about past members not being talked about here. I'm not the one with the problem of past members being talked about. If somebody wants to talk about Robert Fleishman, have at her.

That made me LOL...bad, bad, Deb.

[Deb]

to which I responded that we will still post here to support JSS

Of course you will. You're in too deep now. If the embarrassing numbers from the solo tour and last weekend didn't shut you up I don't expect anything ever will.

So take the f*cking hint then. Gawd, ya got me swearing big time today.

[Don]

Soto is a part of Journey's past, like it or not. And "any and all things" Journey get talked about here.

So is Robert Fleischman except to an exponentially larger degree. What's your point?

It looks like Robert still gets some coin from Wheel in the Sky. That song gets played tons on AOR stations. Not a bad song writing credit to have.
Just making an observation, carry on please

[ProgRocker53]

ya'll need to irrigate the negativity in a different direction and come correct

[Tito]

Point of parliamentary procedure. I would just like to make clear, I did NOT start this dust up in any way shape or form. However, I would like to point out that this latest dust up does prove my second point I brought up before (particularly the last sentence):

"2. Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there. I would say the same thing about any former member of the band who had their own forum. They do not, Soto does. So, I would suggest all Soto topics be placed there and any other former or current member topics stay in the Journey forum unless Mr. McNeice decides to open up another forum for a former/current member(s). This could in the future and would have in the past prevented some dust ups."

Soto is a part of Journey's past, like it or not. And "any and all things" Journey get talked about here.

Let's re-read for a third time. For help I will pick apart what I said.

Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. [comment: I think the response to my innoncent suggestion proves it's a touchy subject. The point 1 above referred to my first suggestion of non-Journey posts should not go in the forum. It was related to this point.] I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there. I would say the same thing about any former member of the band who had their own forum. They do not, Soto does. So, I would suggest all Soto topics be placed there and any other former or current member topics stay in the Journey forum unless Mr. McNeice decides to open up another forum for a former/current member(s). [comment: I said, what you people are saying he was a former of the band. However, he is the ONLY ONE that has his own forum. Therefore, topics about him naturally should go there. I also said that would apply to any former as well as current members of the band if they had their own forum. So I was NOT singling out Soto.] This could in the future and would have in the past prevented some dust ups. [comment: Read the last two pages which will prove this last sentence.]

[SusieP]

JSS may well have his own section on this board, but he was a member of Journey, whether you accept that or not - and during his brief tenure, he won a lot of people over.

It is only human nature that he will be discussed here AS WELL AS in the section devoted to his solo projects.

I know I'm quoting my own post - but..........................

It IS human nature that he will be discussed here as well as two doors down, as you put it.

[ProgRocker53]

JSS will forever be discussed here as he was a recent part of Journey history and a big part of Journey history, to some if not quite a few.

Get over it Titto.

[Moon Beam]

the Red Wings' Greg Stefan

Ahhhh you just made my day Sir, I miss Mr Stefan....loved that goal keeper.

[RedWingFan]

the Red Wings' Greg Stefan

Ahhhh you just made my day Sir, I miss Mr Stefan....loved that goal keeper.

Yeah, he had a pretty bad temper too! Always ready to mix it up. Him and Glen Hanlon were a pretty good pair in the '80s.

[Tito]

You and your f*cking statics! I'm still trying to figure out what point you are trying to get across by stating that JSS hasn't sold millions yet and isn't playing arenas....over and over and over again??? Journey's playing casino's in Canada........casino's, clubs, what's the difference? So are the Jamisons and Emmetts.....still just as talented and they aren't selling the #s either. Don't see you quoting their #s now though. Like I said before, fame and talent are 2 totally different things. You can be famous for doing nothing. Paris Hilton's presence would probably sell out a club faster than JSS.......does that make her better or more talented??? Ya right. No, just more famous. If it's all about numbers and statistics for you, then by all means enjoy your (famous) music/shows and I'll enjoy my (talented) music/shows.

In light of his near fatal reaction yesterday, I think Diamond Dave has a good answer that sums it up. At least listen from the 1:09 mark and on. Definitely the 2:00 mark. http://youtube.com/watch?v=OJhHfdZufH8

[Behshad]

Point of parliamentary procedure. I would just like to make clear, I did NOT start this dust up in any way shape or form. However, I would like to point out that this latest dust up does prove my second point I brought up before (particularly the last sentence):

"2. Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there. I would say the same thing about any former member of the band who had their own forum. They do not, Soto does. So, I would suggest all Soto topics be placed there and any other former or current member topics stay in the Journey forum unless Mr. McNeice decides to open up another forum for a former/current member(s). This could in the future and would have in the past prevented some dust ups."

Soto is a part of Journey's past, like it or not. And "any and all things" Journey get talked about here.

Let's re-read for a third time. For help I will pick apart what I said.

Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. [comment: I think the response to my innoncent suggestion proves it's a touchy subject. The point 1 above referred to my first suggestion of non-Journey posts should not go in the forum. It was related to this point.] I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there. I would say the same thing about any former member of the band who had their own forum. They do not, Soto does. So, I would suggest all Soto topics be placed there and any other former or current member topics stay in the Journey forum unless Mr. McNeice decides to open up another forum for a former/current member(s). [comment: I said, what you people are saying he was a former of the band. However, he is the ONLY ONE that has his own forum. Therefore, topics about him naturally should go there. I also said that would apply to any former as well as current members of the band if they had their own forum. So I was NOT singling out Soto.] This could in the future and would have in the past prevented some dust ups. [comment: Read the last two pages which will prove this last sentence.]

At the same time it goes both ways Tito.If you hadnt posted this in your original "suggestions' post. we wouldnt have had the last 2 pages. You brought his name up and you got your answer.... simple..
If youre saying that talkin about Jeff in the Journey section of the forum starts a DUST here,,, well dust means also traffic,,,,and as long you bring Jeff's name up, we will be here to respond to you..... so as I said before, get ready to get some dust on your new flashy jacket before you hit Roxburrys tonite with SJ

[SusieP]

Get over it Titto.

That misspelling was deliberate, right?

[Tito]

At the same time it goes both ways Tito.If you hadnt posted this in your original "suggestions' post. we wouldnt have had the last 2 pages. You brought his name up and you got your answer.... simple..
If youre saying that talkin about Jeff in the Journey section of the forum starts a DUST here,,, well dust means also traffic,,,,and as long you bring Jeff's name up, we will be here to respond to you..... so as I said before, get ready to get some dust on your new flashy jacket before you hit Roxburrys tonite with SJ

I was giving a suggestion. Soto was only part of it. Re-read point 1 and then what I said in point 2. In point 2, I said any member that has their own forum should be discussed there. Soto is the only one that has the privilege. You're really taking this out of context and blowing it up.

I think Rhiannon alluded to this, Andrew is going to shit when he wakes up and sees this is at 5 pages and probably 6+ by the time he gets to it.

[Behshad]

At the same time it goes both ways Tito.If you hadnt posted this in your original "suggestions' post. we wouldnt have had the last 2 pages. You brought his name up and you got your answer.... simple..
If youre saying that talkin about Jeff in the Journey section of the forum starts a DUST here,,, well dust means also traffic,,,,and as long you bring Jeff's name up, we will be here to respond to you..... so as I said before, get ready to get some dust on your new flashy jacket before you hit Roxburrys tonite with SJ

I was giving a suggestion. Soto was only part of it. Re-read point 1 and then what I said in point 2. In point 2, I said any member that has their own forum should be discussed there. Soto is the only one that has the privilege. You're really taking this out of context and blowing it up.

I think Rhiannon alluded to this, Andrew is going to shit when he wakes up and sees this is at 5 pages and probably 6+ by the time he gets to it.

Well lets work on gettin it to the 10th page....Drew wouldnt care as long as we're following his rules.....
On another note, I think you were wise not to make any comments earlier where you said "I was gonna say something but I wont",,, cause that could have been your one way ticket out of here.

[ProgRocker53]

Get over it Titto.

That misspelling was deliberate, right?

Is that a question?

[S2M]

At the same time it goes both ways Tito.If you hadnt posted this in your original "suggestions' post. we wouldnt have had the last 2 pages. You brought his name up and you got your answer.... simple..
If youre saying that talkin about Jeff in the Journey section of the forum starts a DUST here,,, well dust means also traffic,,,,and as long you bring Jeff's name up, we will be here to respond to you..... so as I said before, get ready to get some dust on your new flashy jacket before you hit Roxburrys tonite with SJ

I was giving a suggestion. Soto was only part of it. Re-read point 1 and then what I said in point 2. In point 2, I said any member that has their own forum should be discussed there. Soto is the only one that has the privilege. You're really taking this out of context and blowing it up.

I think Rhiannon alluded to this, Andrew is going to shit when he wakes up and sees this is at 5 pages and probably 6+ by the time he gets to it.

Well lets work on gettin it to the 10th page....Drew wouldnt care as long as we're following his rules.....
On another note, I think you were wise not to make any comments earlier where you said "I was gonna say something but I wont",,, cause that could have been your one way ticket out of here.

Man, you take the fun out of everything.....