OT: Favre Asks Packers to Release Him

[classicstyxfan]

here are some scenarios I dont want to see happen:

Brett gets his release, and goes to play for ( insert any other team here ) ......In his 5th game, he drops back to pass, and is sacked. while trying to elude defender, his knee is bent awkwardly and he has to be carried off the field on a stretcher, never to play another NFL down....this would sure take a bit away from the legacy of a player who never missed an NFL start in over 250 games.

Brett is released or traded...the final year(s) of his career inspire comparisons to Broadway Joe Namath of The Los Angeles Rams, John Unitas of the San Diego Chargers or the many other players who hung up their cleats a year or 2 after they should have.

Brett is brought back by the Packers, re-earns his starting job, but the inevitable decline of skills that effects most QB's approaching 40 years old takes place, the Packers miss the playoffs, and the fans at Lambeau start chanting Rodgers - Rodgers - Rodgers !!!! beginning around game 12.

I know there is always the chance he comes back and takes his new team ( or maybe even the Packers ) to the promised land, but I hink the odds of a legacy tarninshing conclusion are very real, and he may regret the return at some point.....

But it is his life........

[LazzMan]

Whether Favre still has something left in the tank or not (and he clearly does, after last season) isn't the point. I've lost a ton of respect for Favre. This bullshit retirement act that he's been pulling for the past 5 seasons is a fucking embarrassment to the game of football and not remotely fair to the Packers franchise (which is a GREAT organization). If Favre just came back without his annual retirement tour, I wouldn't feel this way. At this point, the guy needs fucking therapy for how desperate he seems to be for ENDLESS attention. I will forever remember Favre as a great player, who was as tough as a QB to ever play in the NFL. Unfortunately, I will also remember him as a whiny bitch, who can't seem to make a decision in his life


John from Boston

As a Wisconsin resident (I live 20-min. south of Green Bay), a Packers fan, and a Brett Favre fan I have to agree with you 1000000%. This is the definition of selfish. He's letting all of his friends, family, lawyers, etc. speak for him rather than stepping up and taking some responsibility. They are all making the Packers out to be the bad guy because they know that nobody will win in this fight. So much for caring about the organization. The Packers made him every bit as much as he made them. The word up here is that he didn't feel that the Packers really wanted him back over the past few years. That's bullshit. They were paying him $12M+ guaranteed money. They never asked him to restructure anything and they gave him as much time as he needed to decide. OK, so they didn't kiss his ass. So what? They shouldn't have to. He's a grown man acting like an 8-year old. The $12M bucks (highest paid player in the league, by the way) should have been more than enough.

Did you hear the latest? In late March he called and asked if he could come back. Everybody said "Yes", absolutely come back. The chartered a jet to go down and pick him up and they were working on a big press conference in GB to announce he was returning. Then, two days before that was supposed to happen, he called and said he had changed his mind back to retirement. They told him then that he couldn't keep doing this to which he replied, something to the effect of, "That's OK, I know I'm done". Now, he wants back in and he's letting all of his "people" do the dirty work for him. He is being a complete jerk about this whole thing.

I hope he thinks about what he is doing and changes his mind or, at the very least, speaks for himself for a change and takes some responsibility. After his tearful farewell back in March an apology would be nicew at this point.

[X factor]

Whether Favre still has something left in the tank or not (and he clearly does, after last season) isn't the point. I've lost a ton of respect for Favre. This bullshit retirement act that he's been pulling for the past 5 seasons is a fucking embarrassment to the game of football and not remotely fair to the Packers franchise (which is a GREAT organization). If Favre just came back without his annual retirement tour, I wouldn't feel this way. At this point, the guy needs fucking therapy for how desperate he seems to be for ENDLESS attention. I will forever remember Favre as a great player, who was as tough as a QB to ever play in the NFL. Unfortunately, I will also remember him as a whiny bitch, who can't seem to make a decision in his life


John from Boston

I hate to agree with you on this John, but I'm afraid I do. It really IS an injustice to the fans of one of the greatest franchaises ever (and to the game itself) for him to keep vasilating on this. Make a decision, and deal with it already.

However...to some of the other points that he's a "Big Phony Asshole" who "went out a loser?" Uhmmm...yeah. WATCH much football? He had a storied career, and that "interception" he went out on was in overtime of the NFC Championship game. Hardly cause for cries of "loser"...

[Angiekay]

He went out a loser and his last pass was an interception!

Blow it out your ass.

Facts ARE stubborn things, huh?

Yes, but I won't deny it. However, let me add to this by saying Farve can go out on top... of me.

Oh god, I think I have to go throw up now. Girl, have some self respect!!

[Angiekay]

Whether Favre still has something left in the tank or not (and he clearly does, after last season) isn't the point. I've lost a ton of respect for Favre. This bullshit retirement act that he's been pulling for the past 5 seasons is a fucking embarrassment to the game of football and not remotely fair to the Packers franchise (which is a GREAT organization). If Favre just came back without his annual retirement tour, I wouldn't feel this way. At this point, the guy needs fucking therapy for how desperate he seems to be for ENDLESS attention. I will forever remember Favre as a great player, who was as tough as a QB to ever play in the NFL. Unfortunately, I will also remember him as a whiny bitch, who can't seem to make a decision in his life


John from Boston

Holy shit, the world is coming to an end, John said something intelligent!!

[Rhiannon]

Yes, but I won't deny it. However, let me add to this by saying Farve can go out on top... of me.

Oh god, I think I have to go throw up now. Girl, have some self respect!!

Woman, there are some things we will never see eye to eye on. And that's okay.

[Since 78]

A new golden era

Ultimately, the Packers' poor performance through the 1970s, 1980s, and early 1990s led to a shake-up in which new General Manager Ron Wolf was hired, who in turn brought on Mike Holmgren as head coach; Brett Favre as the team's new starting quarterback, and later, Reggie White on defense. Beginning with the 1992 season, the Packers had 13 non-losing seasons in a row (their worst record being 8-8 in 1999), two Super Bowl appearances, and one Super Bowl win (Super Bowl XXXI).

As far as Im concerned Brett has earned the right to change his mind !! This "Great franchise" was only a memory before him. Favre is the best QB I have ever seen and I might add I'm a Steelers fan since the 70s!

[Enigma869]

As far as Im concerned Brett has earned the right to change his mind !! This "Great franchise" was only a memory before him. Favre is the best QB I have ever seen and I might add I'm a Steelers fan since the 70s!

The history of the Packers was FIRMLY entrenched, long before Brett Favre ever showed up on the scene! Hell, the damn Super Bowl trophy is named after their legendary coach! Also, let's not turn Favre into something he isn't. He is the toughest SOB I've ever seen play the QB position in the NFL. That said, he isn't among the 5 greatest QB's that I've personally watched! Let us not forget that in spite of Favre's great and storied career, he has won just one championship and thrown more INT's than any QB of his generation! Also, regardless of the lone championship and records that Favre holds, it doesn't give him the right to hold an entire organization hostage each season, because he doesn't know what the hell he wants to do! Nobody would be telling Favre that he should go away if he didn't constantly talk about it for the past 5 seasons! I honestly believe the guy looks like a complete dope if he's truly coming back to the NFL! Let's hope that the next time he "retires", that he foregoes the press conference charade. At this point, it will be hard for anyone to keep a straight face at a Brett Favre "retirement" press conference!


John from Boston

[Since 78]

As far as Im concerned Brett has earned the right to change his mind !! This "Great franchise" was only a memory before him. Favre is the best QB I have ever seen and I might add I'm a Steelers fan since the 70s!

The history of the Packers was FIRMLY entrenched, long before Brett Favre ever showed up on the scene! Hell, the damn Super Bowl trophy is named after their legendary coach! Also, let's not turn Favre into something he isn't. He is the toughest SOB I've ever seen play the QB position in the NFL. That said, he isn't among the 5 greatest QB's that I've personally watched! Let us not forget that in spite of Favre's great and storied career, he has won just one championship and thrown more INT's than any QB of his generation! Also, regardless of the lone championship and records that Favre holds, it doesn't give him the right to hold an entire organization hostage each season, because he doesn't know what the hell he wants to do! Nobody would be telling Favre that he should go away if he didn't constantly talk about it for the past 5 seasons! I honestly believe the guy looks like a complete dope if he's truly coming back to the NFL! Let's hope that the next time he "retires", that he foregoes the press conference charade. At this point, it will be hard for anyone to keep a straight face at a Brett Favre "retirement" press conference!


John from Boston

In the 24 seasons from 1968 to 1991, the Packers had only five seasons with a winning record (above .500), one being the shortened 1982 strike season.

As I said until Favre the "Great franchise" was a memory.

[YoungJRNY]

As far as Im concerned Brett has earned the right to change his mind !! This "Great franchise" was only a memory before him. Favre is the best QB I have ever seen and I might add I'm a Steelers fan since the 70s!

The history of the Packers was FIRMLY entrenched, long before Brett Favre ever showed up on the scene! Hell, the damn Super Bowl trophy is named after their legendary coach! Also, let's not turn Favre into something he isn't. He is the toughest SOB I've ever seen play the QB position in the NFL. That said, he isn't among the 5 greatest QB's that I've personally watched! Let us not forget that in spite of Favre's great and storied career, he has won just one championship and thrown more INT's than any QB of his generation! Also, regardless of the lone championship and records that Favre holds, it doesn't give him the right to hold an entire organization hostage each season, because he doesn't know what the hell he wants to do! Nobody would be telling Favre that he should go away if he didn't constantly talk about it for the past 5 seasons! I honestly believe the guy looks like a complete dope if he's truly coming back to the NFL! Let's hope that the next time he "retires", that he foregoes the press conference charade. At this point, it will be hard for anyone to keep a straight face at a Brett Favre "retirement" press conference!


John from Boston

I'm coming to Favre's defense in this. The guy is possibly the biggest gamer of his time and possibly today in the world of sports. A true and hard earned football player that we probably will not see in generations to come. The guy played a ba-zillion straight games IN A ROW..hurt, banged, and bruised.. and made that team a fierce competitor year in and year out generally on his throwing arm when some years the team was mediocre at best. Yes, he threw tons and tons of interceptions to go a long with touchdowns. That's the type of player Favre was AND is. He's a gunslinger, hands down, and one of the best at doing so. If he thought he could make the throw to the pin-point, he was going for it every single time and by doing that he has some big ga-honas..some quarterbacks in the NFL can't say the same..and for a 40 year old man DAMN does he still have the strongest arm I've ever seen.

It isn't about organization anymore to him. It isn't about the records he set, or the championship he won. (By the way, that ONE LONE championship is ONE more Title than the great DAN MARINO will ever have..formely of PITT. ) This man has been playing ball since he was probably 8 years old, and is possibly the only thing he knows how to do in life..to wake up one day when you still know you can play and not go to work anymore is something he could possibly never get over.

It isn't easy to be a football player for the most obvious reasons. What Favre gave to the Packers was possibly more than one can give. Under NFL rule, Favre is still under contract..which means he has every right to hold the team "hostage." He has sorely been their heart and sole for 16 years and the Green Bay organization knows that. Why do you think they waited all those years? For Favre to come back, it will be with another team. THAT I don't agree on. If he would come back to Green Bay...then..Okay, lets see what you got old man. But #4 in any other uniform will be fraud.

As a competitor and solid football player...Favre will do it. And there's no doubt the world will be in his corner for this. I think what he gave and put his body at serious risk for years...he deserves to do what he wants on his football career decisions..esp while still under contract.

The guy has balls..and the best part about this IS......


The man just wants to play. I applaud him for that.

[YoungJRNY]

You lost Ryan Malone, Georges LaRaque, Gary Roberts, Jarkko Ruutu, and Marian Hossa.
Signing Miroslav Satan and Ruslan Fedotenko won’t make up for that. I’m glad you guys gave that soft Evgeni Malkin all that money. He is a woman.

Marc-Andre Fluery will never live up to the hype. He is average.

Pens better hope Crosby stays healthy.

The Pens will not repeat the run they had this year. Take that to the bank.

It will still be fun to watch them play the Flyers when they come to the Wachovia Center. Good rivalry.

Ryan Malone was a great worker, a hustler and a nice team veteran to have. Personally, I think he SUCKED. I could NOT watch one more whiff at an open net ANYMORE this season by Ryan Malone. I got too furious and I don't like getting furious. He can be replaced, and will be.

I loved the Enforcer LaRaque for only that reason..because he was an enforcer. He will be missed since he was a personal fave. Granted, you CAN find an enforcer off the streets of the hood and tell him to skate and tell him to "Go chase the guy in the opposite jersey..and put a hurten..." As a fan, I hate to see him go...as a team..not a huge hit.

Roberts is an oldman and missed 90% of the season. He was roughed up at times in the play-offs. I don't see this a shaking in my boots type release.

Ruutu and Hossa are a different story. Two solid players who we could have used in the next years to come. Hossa took the money to be on an old team rather than a young team destined for greatness. Ruutu was a bitch for other teams and was a mean little fucker who didn't give a shit who you were. That will be missed bigtime.

As for Fluery being mediocre..come on dude. Even RWF will disagree with that. The man was STELLAR ever since he came back from that ankle injury. He didn't lose at home for MONTHS. That playoff wasn't Crosbys' team. It was Fluerys' team. That multiple overtime win against Detroit was just SIIIIIIIICK. A truly sick performance by Fluery. This was the year for him to break out. He lived up to the expectation. He received a big check for a reason.

To say the Pens will repeat a year like last is a mute point. The NHL changes roughly every week. Player trades here and there you just DON'T KNOW what type of team you could have until playoff time. We will see. With the Pens losing in the SC will make them that much more dangerous IMO. I'm looking forward to it.

[Rhiannon]

There's a lot of words up there in those posts. But I think what everyone is trying to say is that Bretty-poo is the bomb shit. But this ballerina act around retired one day, still wanna play the next is just flaky as hell.

[Enigma869]

In the 24 seasons from 1968 to 1991, the Packers had only five seasons with a winning record (above .500), one being the shortened 1982 strike season.

As I said until Favre the "Great franchise" was a memory.

I'm not really sure I even understand your argument , as it's beyond illogical. Listen...I fully agree with you that Brett Favre once again made the Packers relevant when he supplanted Don Majkowski as the starting QB. That said, for you to make an argument that Favre basically built the Packers is just plain stupid! Using the 24 years you chose to pick off the calendar would be a great argument, had the Packers began their history in 1968. What your argument seems to forget is that the Packers first season was in 1919, which means they had almost 50 years of existence before the year you magically picked! What you also failed to mention is that the Packers won ELEVEN championships before Favre ever got there, and one since he got there! I'm not knocking the guy. He was a great competitor and I personally loved watching the guy. I'm simply saying that you are bankrupt in football knowledge if you truly believe that Brett Favre made the Packers. He's not even the most significant guy in the history of that great franchise!


John from Boston

[Angiekay]

Wah, fuckin' wah, Brett


GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- The Green Bay Packers' general manager and coach don't plan to grant Brett Favre's request for his release. If he does rejoin the team, they told The Associated Press, it won't be as the starting quarterback.

And Favre is unlikely to accept a backup role, GM Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy acknowledged Saturday in their first public comments since the 38-year-old Favre demanded his release this week.

A trade may be the best resolution, but Thompson and McCarthy declined to discuss that possibility. Thompson said he had not received any inquiries from other teams as of Saturday morning.

"We've communicated that to Brett, that we have since moved forward," Thompson said. "At the same time, we've never said that there couldn't be some role that he might play here. But I would understand his point that he would want to play."

When asked whether that role might be as a backup or coach, Thompson said: "not a coach."

Added McCarthy: "He did ask about that, though."

Favre, who led the Packers to a Super Bowl title after the 1996 season, held a tearful news conference to announce his retirement March 6. The Packers planned to begin the season with Aaron Rodgers as the starting quarterback.

McCarthy said he and Thompson were in constant communication with Favre throughout the offseason.

"Quite frankly, it's a little gut-wrenching as an organization to go through it, and certainly for Mike and myself," Thompson said. "This stuff hurts a lot of people. I mean, it hurts. I'm not talking about physically hurting, but the sensitivity. We understand where the fans are coming from. This is a hot-button issue that surpasses anything I've ever gone through."

[Since 78]

In the 24 seasons from 1968 to 1991, the Packers had only five seasons with a winning record (above .500), one being the shortened 1982 strike season.

As I said until Favre the "Great franchise" was a memory.

I'm not really sure I even understand your argument , as it's beyond illogical. Listen...I fully agree with you that Brett Favre once again made the Packers relevant when he supplanted Don Majkowski as the starting QB. That said, for you to make an argument that Favre basically built the Packers is just plain stupid! Using the 24 years you chose to pick off the calendar would be a great argument, had the Packers began their history in 1968. What your argument seems to forget is that the Packers first season was in 1919, which means they had almost 50 years of existence before the year you magically picked! What you also failed to mention is that the Packers won ELEVEN championships before Favre ever got there, and one since he got there! I'm not knocking the guy. He was a great competitor and I personally loved watching the guy. I'm simply saying that you are bankrupt in football knowledge if you truly believe that Brett Favre made the Packers. He's not even the most significant guy in the history of that great franchise!


John from Boston

My point is that Favre is now the face of the franchise. As long as he still has what it takes to play, he should be allowed to change his mind. I do feel bad for Aaron Rogers, but everyone was speculating even right after the retirement announcement that Brett would come back. And he was never actually retired so it was pretty obvious. I just dont want to see another Montana situation, but now it looks like that may happen.

[classicstyxfan]

Wah, fuckin' wah, Brett


GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- The Green Bay Packers' general manager and coach don't plan to grant Brett Favre's request for his release. If he does rejoin the team, they told The Associated Press, it won't be as the starting quarterback.

And Favre is unlikely to accept a backup role, GM Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy acknowledged Saturday in their first public comments since the 38-year-old Favre demanded his release this week.

A trade may be the best resolution, but Thompson and McCarthy declined to discuss that possibility. Thompson said he had not received any inquiries from other teams as of Saturday morning.

"We've communicated that to Brett, that we have since moved forward," Thompson said. "At the same time, we've never said that there couldn't be some role that he might play here. But I would understand his point that he would want to play."

When asked whether that role might be as a backup or coach, Thompson said: "not a coach."

Added McCarthy: "He did ask about that, though."

Favre, who led the Packers to a Super Bowl title after the 1996 season, held a tearful news conference to announce his retirement March 6. The Packers planned to begin the season with Aaron Rodgers as the starting quarterback.

McCarthy said he and Thompson were in constant communication with Favre throughout the offseason.

"Quite frankly, it's a little gut-wrenching as an organization to go through it, and certainly for Mike and myself," Thompson said. "This stuff hurts a lot of people. I mean, it hurts. I'm not talking about physically hurting, but the sensitivity. We understand where the fans are coming from. This is a hot-button issue that surpasses anything I've ever gone through."

Hey Angie.....you may have a real dilemma on your hands, rumor has it your VIKINGS are one of the teams out there that are coveting ol' #4.......the offense they now run is comperable to what he knows, the offensive coordinator used to be his QB coach in Green Bay, and he'd be a HUGE improvement over any QB on their roster now !

Think of it.........Brett leading your team to the Super Bowl ! You might even WIN ONE ( for a change !)

[Enigma869]

I'm coming to Favre's defense in this.

Defend away!

The guy is possibly the biggest gamer of his time and possibly today in the world of sports.

I will never argue what a "gamer" Favre has always been. As I've said before, he's a player I've ALWAYS enjoyed watching!

A true and hard earned football player that we probably will not see in generations to come.

I'm not sure what this sentence even means, so I'll move on

The guy played a ba-zillion straight games IN A ROW..hurt, banged, and bruised.. and made that team a fierce competitor year in and year out generally on his throwing arm when some years the team was mediocre at best.

One of the problems I've always had with Favre is that his streak was always more important to him, than anything else. I have witnessed Favre (on more than one occasion) play only the first series of a game and then leave, because he was too injured to play, all to keep a phony streak alive!

Yes, he threw tons and tons of interceptions

I'd say it was at least a ton and a half

That's the type of player Favre was AND is. He's a gunslinger

The "gunslinger" thing was a huge part of who Favre was, but he was slinging the ball to the wrong color jersey WAY too many times, for my taste!

for a 40 year old man DAMN does he still have the strongest arm I've ever seen.

You'll never hear me argue about the cannon of an arm Favre had! The guy could throw the ball a country mile. My criticism of Favre has always been one more of accuracy than of strength!

It isn't about organization anymore to him.

Exactly! That's the criticism I have. He needs to consider the organization and the fans and stop being so self-centered!

By the way, that ONE LONE championship is ONE more Title than the great DAN MARINO will ever have

Right, and I'd still take Marino, all day long! Marino was a MUCH better decision maker than Favre ever was, and your number one job as a QB is to make sound decisions!

This man has been playing ball since he was probably 8 years old, and is possibly the only thing he knows how to do in life..to wake up one day when you still know you can play and not go to work anymore is something he could possibly never get over.

You do realize that Favre "retired" of his own volition, right??? Nobody told Favre to hang the cleats up. It was his decision, and his decision, only! Let's stop turning this into Favre being forced to the sidelines by Green Bay, because it simply didn't happen!

It isn't easy to be a football player for the most obvious reasons.

You could say the same about being Journey's lead singer, but I digress...

Under NFL rule, Favre is still under contract..which means he has every right to hold the team "hostage."

Right, and the Packers have every right to sit his sorry ass on the bench, which is exactly what they should do, in my opinion!

He has sorely been their heart and sole for 16 years and the Green Bay organization knows that.

We agree on that point. Having said that, let's not make it sound like Favre was "donating" his services. He was paid quite well by the Packers organization for his services, and the Packers organization owes him NOTHING!

As a competitor and solid football player...Favre will do it. And there's no doubt the world will be in his corner for this

I think there are probably more people in the Green Bay area who have turned on Favre, because of this charade, than you think! One final point I'll make that I forgot to make earlier in this post. You mentioned how Favre achieved so much on "mediocre" teams. I couldn't disagree with that premise, more! The fact of the matter is that the one championship that Favre won was won by a VERY stacked team (both offensively and defensively). They beat the Patriots that season for their one championship, so I remember it quite well! Also, I challenge you, or anyone, to find ANY QB who has played with better receivers than Favre has, throughout his career in Green Bay! While the Packers haven't always had the weapons on defense, Favre has ALWAYS had VERY good receivers to throw the ball to. Mark Clayton and Mark Duper (who played with Marino, earlier in his career) were nowhere near as good as Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman were!


John from Boston

[Don]

I've never understood all the hoopla around this guy. In my opinion Roger Staubach should be rated higher than him. It's a team game and about winning and getting to the Superbowl, and this Roger did consistently even when hurt. Also what the hell is GreenBay going to do with the two QB's they got in the draft? Why should they have to screw over these guys and Rogers again because this guy feels selfish. Release him and let him go somewhere else, just don't disrupt your whole battleplan for the 2008 season because of one individual.

[Angiekay]

Hey Angie.....you may have a real dilemma on your hands, rumor has it your VIKINGS are one of the teams out there that are coveting ol' #4.......the offense they now run is comperable to what he knows, the offensive coordinator used to be his QB coach in Green Bay, and he'd be a HUGE improvement over any QB on their roster now !

Think of it.........Brett leading your team to the Super Bowl ! You might even WIN ONE ( for a change !)

That would be a shame. I'd find a new team to cheer for before I'd get behind that panty waist. He hasn't been able to win one for his own team for the last ten years, what makes you think he'd win one for us?

[classicstyxfan]

One of the problems I've always had with Favre is that his streak was always more important to him, than anything else. I have witnessed Favre (on more than one occasion) play only the first series of a game and then leave, because he was too injured to play, all to keep a phony streak alive!

Name ONE TIME this scenario happened ! You cant, because it never did. Period. Never Happened.,

Favre has ALWAYS had VERY good receivers to throw the ball to. Mark Clayton and Mark Duper (who played with Marino, earlier in his career) were nowhere near as good as Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman were!

I cant wait for inevitable hall of fame inductions for Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman.......dont get me wrong, both were great receivers, but neither is H.O.F. caliubur. The Packers of the 90's and early 00's were very good teams, but it wasnt Favre that held the team back from more championships, with the possible exception of last year.

[RedWingFan]

Exactly! That's the criticism I have. He needs to consider the organization and the fans and stop being so self-centered!

You mean like treating Aaron Rodgers like someone who was out to steal his job rather than mentor him to take over the job whenever Favre decided to retire?
I hope the Packers stick to their guns on this. Favre's a self centered drama queen.

[Enigma869]

Name ONE TIME this scenario happened ! You cant, because it never did. Period. Never Happened.

I'll back off of my comment, because I can't go back 16 years to find the box score on every game Favre ever played. I can tell you, UNEQUIVOCALLY, Favre should NOT have played in certain games, because he was injured, and none of his coaches had the balls to sit the guy on the bench!

I cant wait for inevitable hall of fame inductions for Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman

I don't recall ever saying that Antonio Freeman or Sterling Sharpe were hall of fame players. There are MANY players in the history of the NFL who were VERY good players, who aren't in the hall of fame. Mark Clayton and Mark Duper aren't in the hall of fame either!

both were great receivers, but neither is H.O.F. caliubur.

I disagree with your premise that neither Freeman nor Sharpe were hall of fame caliber. The truth of the matter is that the only reason both Sharpe and Freeman aren't worthy of hall of fame consideration is that neither guy played more than 7 seasons! There isn't one single receiver in the history of the NFL who played 7 seasons or fewer, who is in the hall of fame! The other point I'll make is that I only mentioned two guys that Favre had to throw the ball to. He also had Donald Driver, Keith Jackson, Marc Chmura, Robert Brooks, Bubba Franks, Javon Walker, Andre Rison, Derek Mayes, and Don Beebe, just to name a handful of the guys he played with! That is a group of VERY talented receivers! As I said, I challenge ANYONE to come up with a comparable list of receivers that ANY QB, in the history of the NFL, had to throw the ball to, throughout their NFL career!


John from Boston

[S2M]

I think a BETTER point, and the central one is WHY the Packers won't release him. They admit Rogers is their future, but they won't let Favre go to another team. If they thought he was still viable, they'd let him start, and if they DIDN'T, they's LET HIM GO!

I'm thinnking about changing my screenname to BradytoMoss!

[Michigan Girl]

I think a BETTER point, and the central one is WHY the Packers won't release him. They admit Rogers is their future, but they won't let Favre go to another team. If they thought he was still viable, they'd let him start, and if they DIDN'T, they's LET HIM GO!

I'm thinnking about changing my screenname to BradytoMoss!

From S&M to BM???

[S2M]

I think a BETTER point, and the central one is WHY the Packers won't release him. They admit Rogers is their future, but they won't let Favre go to another team. If they thought he was still viable, they'd let him start, and if they DIDN'T, they's LET HIM GO!

I'm thinnking about changing my screenname to BradytoMoss!

From S&M to BM???

Yeah...well.......no luck with the S&M.

[Michigan Girl]

I think a BETTER point, and the central one is WHY the Packers won't release him. They admit Rogers is their future, but they won't let Favre go to another team. If they thought he was still viable, they'd let him start, and if they DIDN'T, they's LET HIM GO!

I'm thinnking about changing my screenname to BradytoMoss!

From S&M to BM???

Yeah...well.......no luck with the S&M.

Stick with it!!!!

[perrylover52]

I think a BETTER point, and the central one is WHY the Packers won't release him. They admit Rogers is their future, but they won't let Favre go to another team. If they thought he was still viable, they'd let him start, and if they DIDN'T, they's LET HIM GO!

I'm thinnking about changing my screenname to BradytoMoss!

I agree with your point that you have to look to managment. I'm from Wisconsin, I've been a packer fan since the ice bowl. I've stood by the team through the 80's for crying out loud. I've always maintain that Brett was not done playing. Mentally stressed yes. But not done playing. I know the Packer management called that press conference not Brett when he announced his retirement. Brett wanted to wait a few weeks. Management was in a hurry to get toss Brett overboard. All the team players and the coaches have shut up and will not state what is really on their minds and hearts when interviewed. I don't know who is talking but from the tapes I saw on the news it's not the team or the coaches. If management doesn't want Brett to start and want's him to be a bench warmer until Rogers gets hurt. Management has a problem. My guess is that management knows Brett can play and if Brett goes to any other team the the packers play against. Brett will beat their pants off. Brett will make sure the packers are embaressed. When I first heard the news I was so mad at manageament I could have spit nails. I wanted them to trade Brett, have Rogers get hurt in the very first game they played and that to eat the rest of the season because they will have lost it all. Now I just want Rogers to get hurt and have Brett save the day for the fans not the team or management.

[Loneman1]

I think a BETTER point, and the central one is WHY the Packers won't release him. They admit Rogers is their future, but they won't let Favre go to another team. If they thought he was still viable, they'd let him start, and if they DIDN'T, they's LET HIM GO!

I'm thinnking about changing my screenname to BradytoMoss!

For some reason, my favorite QB Joe Montana comes to mind. Even as a kid, I hated the niner's for sitting him on the sidelines, but I also understood Joe's passion to play. But for him to retire as a damn Chief? For a young football fan that was born and raised in Northern CA, that just plain sucked.

[Enigma869]

For some reason, my favorite QB Joe Montana comes to mind. Even as a kid, I hated the niner's for sitting him on the sidelines, but I also understood Joe's passion to play. But for him to retire as a damn Chief? For a young football fan that was born and raised in Northern CA, that just plain sucked.

The big difference with Montana is that Steve Young had already won an MVP, with Montana on the team! Even though I understand the sentiment from Bay area fans about Montana, there isn't a team in the NFL who would have benched a reigning MVP, to put an aging (even though Montana could still play) QB back behind Center.


John from Boston

[Saint John]

Brett Favre will be the starting QB for the Packers this year. What's so fucking hard to figure out about that? And if ESPN continues to conststantly talk about this egotistical, multi-personalitied, self-centered jagoff any more, I think I might boycott them for awhile. I hope he comes back and has his arm broken in 14 places. Preferably by Brian Urlacher.