Arnel Interview

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

[Seriously though...I'm done. Arnel will not go against management's wishes and I wouldn't expect him to. I have a lot of respect for him and wish him and the rest of the guys well.

But I am done.

yup and he shouldn't--it's a good gig for him. it's just horse schutt that he is stuck in the middle.


if you are done, may we have JSSB forum now????

Um, we's already got one?! Pst pst Andrew, how's that other forum coming along?

See Marie, pretty subtle eh?

nuh uh. we have JSS forum. not jssB. duh

yea, MARTIN LANDAU forum!!

[scarygirl]

After all the crap that Friga and Fro have pulled over the last couple of years - this surprises you? They OWN Arnel and he wont do any interview unless it is approved.

Andrew I am sorry, your integrity has always been at a high level, they just showed low theirs truly is.

Perry has said NO to Andrew, too. What are your thoughts on that?

I think Perry just doesn't have the time.

Yeah, because I'm his new girlfriend. Remember Oh Scary?

[Deb]

i desparately need sleep)

Maybe a little schutt eye?! hahahahahaha

[Moon Beam]

Andrew I'm saddened by this slap.....unbelievable.
Glad your not angered by it.
Think I'm even happier that those money hungry monsters in the "I make the rules field" don't sway my thoughts.


Wech do you really think Mr Pineda would step outside his bounds to speak with Andrew?


WIX your right Fella and that is a great tune.

[StevePerryHair]

i desparately need sleep)

Maybe a little schutt eye?! hahahahahaha

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

i desparately need sleep)

Maybe a little schutt eye?! hahahahahaha

word. (man-you are quick)

come on Bonz--catch up!! it's fun!

nitenite

[Rhiannon]

i desparately need sleep)

Maybe a little schutt eye?! hahahahahaha

You both need to Schutt off the computer for a while.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

i desparately need sleep)

Maybe a little schutt eye?! hahahahahaha

there u r. <<<<<<<waving>>>>>>>>>>>

[nutz4Neal]

Arnel got torn to shreds here pretty badly for a long time. I can't say that their decision surprises me one bit. Had Arnel been afforded 1/100th of the same "protection" Soto receives, that interview would have been granted in a second. I'm not saying that Andrew is a bad person in any way, but I think he made some poor decisions regarding the pasting Arnel took. At one time, there were literally 2 or 3 people sticking up for him while he got belted. Schon and Cain had a history of fuck ups to wage war against them at least in some capacity. The same simply cannot be said about Arnel. He's never done shit to anyone and the length of his professional, cultural and personal online rape was far too long.

Ditto to what he said.

And Mimi, what the schutt are ya talkin' bout sistah? <sorry, I just had to get a schutt in my post somewhere somehow )

they are schuttisms--just something annoying that we have picked up. it is in honor of the release of Gary Schutt's new cd, see below. insert commercial.

Gary is a guitar player but plays bass for JSS' band and has done most of JSS' videos. we all adore him and wish him the best with his new instrumental cd.

is that what you mean by what do I mean? or are u just schutting me.

(i desparately need sleep)

Well schutt yeah, I'm just schutting you.

You desparately need sleep? Otay sistay, go get some schutteye ,think I'm heading that way too.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

i desparately need sleep)

Maybe a little schutt eye?! hahahahahaha

You both need to Schutt off the computer for a while.

k. nitey-o.

[Moon Beam]

wow

[stevew2]

i desparately need sleep)

Maybe a little schutt eye?! hahahahahaha

or some brown eye

[Andrew]

Re-opening my own thread. I had some PMs that others would still like to comment.

I just wanted to post an update on the interview request and should there be any updates, I will let folks know.

I will add that it seems the some of the past actions and turmoil of this message board has been noted and not appreciated and I can respect and understand that. There is a way to voice disapproval at something and debate a negative point and I think most folks here can appreciate and respect that point now.

I feel that there is a fresh tone in here and one I have worked hard to achieve, so I hope that in time, the MR.com in general and this Journey board will again be regarded as pro-the band in their current form and in ALL forms from their past.

Peace to all posters and lurkers...All the best to Neal, Jon, Deen, Ross and Arnel. Congratulations on an album that's still in the US Top 30 and a tour that is doing amazing business.

[Maui Tom]

Re-opening my own thread. I had some PMs that others would still like to comment.

I just wanted to post an update on the interview request and should there be any updates, I will let folks know.

I will add that it seems the some of the past actions and turmoil of this message board has been noted and not appreciated and I can respect and understand that. There is a way to voice disapproval at something and debate a negative point and I think most folks here can appreciate and respect that point now.

I feel that there is a fresh tone in here and one I have worked hard to achieve, so I hope that in time, the MR.com in general and this Journey board will again be regarded as pro-the band in their current form and in ALL forms from their past.

Peace to all posters and lurkers...All the best to Neal, Jon, Deen, Ross and Arnel. Congratulations on an album that's still in the US Top 30 and a tour that is doing amazing business.

Wait it our Wombat...timing is everything...

[Rip Rokken]

Maybe a little schutt eye?! hahahahahaha

or some brown eye

How did you Friga that one out?

[wednesday's child]

Wech do you really think Mr Pineda would step outside his bounds to speak with Andrew?

I wouldn't have brought it up if I wasn't reasonably confident of it.

Arnel has considerable autonomy when in the Philippines, granting interviews
(even performing Journey songs on TV shows). This autonomy should apply
to his free time in the US as well --and he did guest on a US-based TV show
for the Filipino community.

Obviously, while the tour is on, it'll be difficult for anyone to pin him down
for a one-on-one, but it can be done.

Seriously, how hard would it be to schedule a video chat between Andrew and Arnel?
Video for the personal touch, but I would have recommended typed text for communication:
less chance for Arnel's and Andrew's accents to cause a misunderstanding, and it also
would have protected Arnel's voice if it were particularly raw from a performance.
It could have even been done in installments, to make it more palatable to Arnel,
whose schedule is pretty tight.

Of course, since Andrew has officially turned his back on it, this is all moot.
Anyway, there are other interviewers out there.


-wech

[Don]

Wech do you really think Mr Pineda would step outside his bounds to speak with Andrew?

I wouldn't have brought it up if I wasn't reasonably confident of it.

Arnel has considerable autonomy when in the Philippines, granting interviews
(even performing Journey songs on TV shows). This autonomy should apply
to his free time in the US as well --and he did guest on a US-based TV show
for the Filipino community.

Obviously, while the tour is on, it'll be difficult for anyone to pin him down
for a one-on-one, but it can be done.

Seriously, how hard would it be to schedule a video chat between Andrew and Arnel?
Video for the personal touch, but I would have recommended typed text for communication:
less chance for Arnel's and Andrew's accents to cause a misunderstanding, and it also
would have protected Arnel's voice if it were particularly raw from a performance.
It could have even been done in installments, to make it more palatable to Arnel,
whose schedule is pretty tight.

Of course, since Andrew has officially turned his back on it, this is all moot.
Anyway, there are other interviewers out there.


-wech

Actually while he's on tour he belongs to the company, Irving Azoff Inc. I'm sure somewhere in his 10 pages or more contract there may be something that gives management the right to supercede him on anything they feel might be detrimental to the Band. One thing you should know by now about Journey (Steve Perry included) is that there are clauses and agreements for everything. Arnel is on a work visa, so it would not be to his benefit to break company policy regardless of how he feels about the situation.

[Andrew]

Of course, since Andrew has officially turned his back on it, this is all moot.
Anyway, there are other interviewers out there.


-wech

I haven't officially done anything. I said earlier in the thred I was done...I won't waste peoples time by continuing to ask when I have been told no, but if circumstances change and someone contacts me in time, then well and good.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Of course, Neal and Co. had absolutely ZERO qualms accepting Andrew’s generous publicity back when their album sales were hovering in the low 50’s –or more precisely, when they were lucky to even chart at all.
I wouldn’t be so interested in extending a peace pipe at this point Andrew, as much as I would be in cracking open the vault and telling the true account of TapeGate once and for all.

Bask in the flash of the telescopic paparazzi cams while someone still cares, fellas.
Anyone with so much as half a neuron knows you’re washed-up pig shit.

[edcha]

Thanks to Andrew for re-opening his thread!

Just a personal perspective….before this thread ends….(again, this may be too long for those with ADD!)

I did not personally witness the Arnel-bashing that transpired here a year or so ago except for SJ’s description (as well as those of others’ elsewhere, to some extent) --- but when he used the phrase “professional, cultural and personal online rape”…I got it!

I realize that this personal perspective may be considered a weak rationalization for the interview denial---to most people here. Please don’t get me wrong---I also empathize with Andrew, as a journalist and as the owner of this forum, for not getting that interview.

I believe MR is like a big family headed by Andrew. I understand full well that Andrew, despite his genuine efforts, could not possibly moderate/control all the unnecessary/unfair comments of all members all at the same time---simply because he’s not omnipresent. Based on all your positive comments during my relatively short stay here at MR ---without a doubt, I believe Andrew is a very good person.

That said, I believe that whether we accept/like it or not---any bad (or good) behavior/action/comment/ of any official member of the MR family, will undoubtedly reflect on the head of the family. It is just sad that it seems that in general, human brain remembers the bad things or experiences---better and longer---than the good ones. “Forgive and forget” is a great principle---but oftentimes tough to implement.

Of course, there’s the other side. In fairness---Journey is like a family, too (albeit with smaller membership, I guess). Again, whether anybody here accepts/likes it or not---the family will strive hard to protect and empathize with any member—especially when that member had been “attacked unnecessarily/unfairly”. I would argue that---it is much easier to say “forget the past, we’re on your side now”---if you or your family members were not the object of the “professional, cultural and personal online rape” (as SJ puts it). It takes a long time for this kind of wound to heal!

As mentioned by some, bashing of a past lead singer was reportedly worse---but we need to realize that there are indications that Arnel’s relationship with the current Journey members and/or management is a little different—in a better sense. As they say, non sequitur (it does not follow).

Was Journey’s denial for an Arnel interview a reasonable price for some MR members’ “throwing the first stone” at Arnel and/or Journey? Most of the people who have expressed their opinion here said it's not. To me, that is an expected general reaction from our end. I tried to put myself in Arnel’s and Journey’s shoes...and for some reason---I understood how they felt a little better…

In the spirit of positive thinking…perhaps in his own time, Arnel, with his great demeanor, will be able to get Journey members/management to have a change of heart---and grant Andrew the sought-after interview! Then we can have a big fiesta---complete with lechon and balut!

[Don]

One thing to remember Edcha is that this forum does not wish to be a clone of The official Journey board. All members are encouraged to voice there opinions even if they don't like the current line up of the band. Even if all the opinions were done tastefully and viewed as constructive criticsm would that be enought to appease the band? If we are all going to tow the company line and support the new line up 100% than we might as well go over to the official site and be members there instead. We are what we are with no pretensions at this forum. There is no use crying over spilled milk. It appears to me that Andrew is not dwelling on it and neither should we, so obviously I personally shall try to refrain from posting anything further on the subject.

[edcha]

One thing to remember Edcha is that this forum does not wish to be a clone of The official Journey board. All members are encouraged to voice there opinions even if they don't like the current line up of the band. Even if all the opinions were done tastefully and viewed as constructive criticsm would that be enought to appease the band? If we are all going to tow the company line and support the new line up 100% than we might as well go over to the official site and be members there instead. We are what we are with no pretensions at this forum. There is no use crying over spilled milk. It appears to me that Andrew is not dwelling on it and neither should we, so obviously I personally shall try to refrain from posting anything further on the subject.

Well-taken, Gunbot!

(BTW, I'll PM you.)

[Andrew]

One thing to remember Edcha is that this forum does not wish to be a clone of The official Journey board. All members are encouraged to voice there opinions even if they don't like the current line up of the band. Even if all the opinions were done tastefully and viewed as constructive criticsm would that be enought to appease the band?

If that was the case, I'd be happy with no interview. I'm sure it isn't. This doesn't have to be a kiss-ass forum to be a constructive and respectful one.

[JRNYLIVE]

no Def Leppard
no Arnel/Journey

wonder if Irving Azoff would do an interview.....

sounds like Irving Azoff Inc. is trying to shut the voice of MRF down.....


we have just begun.....

[wednesday's child]

Actually while he's on tour he belongs to the company, Irving Azoff Inc. I'm sure somewhere in his 10 pages or more contract there may be something that gives management the right to supercede him on anything they feel might be detrimental to the Band. One thing you should know by now about Journey (Steve Perry included) is that there are clauses and agreements for everything. Arnel is on a work visa, so it would not be to his benefit to break company policy regardless of how he feels about the situation.

Tell me something, 'bot...
How can they (both Azoff Inc themselves and their contractual clauses) forbid something Arnel's already doing?
Arnel's ALREADY spending up to an hour at a time online, answering questions freely, and these exchanges'
contents are being reproduced/published electronically several times/places on the web.

You're assuming these legal restraints exist and are actually enforced, but you don't have actual contracts in hand
to cite. I'm assuming the man has some autonomy, even while on tour, and I'm pointing at Arnel's ongoing online Q&A,
and fans' web-publication of the same, as my evidence.

Even if Journey/Azoff have some bullshit hardon for Andrew (due to tapegate, due to Steve's Jon-baiting,
or because it's Azoff's fucking period this week), we STILL have Arnel, on record, despite all the ugliness that
was got to run loose in here, saying that an interview with MR is going to happen. Just a question of when.

Cheers,


-=-=-=-

I won't waste peoples time by continuing to ask when I have been told no

Andrew,
You've been told no, but by management.
You have, on the other hand, also been told that Arnel himself is open to it.

but if circumstances change and someone contacts me in time, then well and good.

Who is that "someone" going to be for you, Andrew?
Rip, MauiTom et al have already done a lot of the prep work, to the result that Arnel has, in principle, agreed to an MR interview.
You obviously can't now be requiring that Arnel himself reach out to you, before this interview can happen (LOL), therefore this
is what it seems to boil down to, for me:

If an interview heartily-approved by Journey management (and therefore Journey management's approval of you) is your objective,
then I can see how you could feel that you had indeed run your course for this thing. If, however, simply getting an interview with Arnel
out to the fans is your object, it's there to be pursued. If you still want it.


More power to you,

-wech

[Andrew]

Who is that "someone" going to be for you, Andrew?

Hey Wech - Anyone

How's that for an answer?

I'm ready to roll should the occasion arise and if Arnel would like to do an interview, then God bless him, I'll sure be here to throw some questions at him.

[finalfight]

Andrew,

Once again...

If you really want an interview with Arnel, then get access to Arnel, Pinoy style:
Not solely via Journey management. Get in touch with Rodel or Erik first.
Rip et. al. have done a LOT of the fucking legwork already. Because of their efforts,
you now know that Arnel's open to the idea, and if he really is willing to do it,
I seriously doubt Journey will or can restrain him.


That is all.

-wech

If Arnel circumnavigates the wishes of Journey management he might later find that he no longer fits in with the band 'personality wise'. This would be a tragic waste of talent just to fire a set of questions at him that will likely be answered in time anyway.

I'm proud to say I have always supported Arnel in his current postilion but am not in any hurry to see an interview just yet and this thing is really starting to snowball out of control. I have no doubt that requests for interviews get turned down all the time from many other artists though we don't usually get to hear about it and to be honest I have no idea why we are even hearing about this one now.

If it happens, rock on!

[SusieP]

Arnel got torn to shreds here pretty badly for a long time. I can't say that their decision surprises me one bit. Had Arnel been afforded 1/100th of the same "protection" Soto receives, that interview would have been granted in a second. I'm not saying that Andrew is a bad person in any way, but I think he made some poor decisions regarding the pasting Arnel took. At one time, there were literally 2 or 3 people sticking up for him while he got belted. Schon and Cain had a history of fuck ups to wage war against them at least in some capacity. The same simply cannot be said about Arnel. He's never done shit to anyone and the length of his professional, cultural and personal online rape was far too long.

Agreed.
There were racist posts on here - Andrew tried to control them all but they happened. He stopped it eventually...but people did write them.
People's opinions about vocal ability etc are one thing, racism is quite another.
So, I am not surprised at this decision either.

But, rifts can be healed.

[Enigma869]

One thing to remember Edcha is that this forum does not wish to be a clone of The official Journey board. All members are encouraged to voice there opinions even if they don't like the current line up of the band. Even if all the opinions were done tastefully and viewed as constructive criticsm would that be enought to appease the band? If we are all going to tow the company line and support the new line up 100% than we might as well go over to the official site and be members there instead. We are what we are with no pretensions at this forum. There is no use crying over spilled milk. It appears to me that Andrew is not dwelling on it and neither should we, so obviously I personally shall try to refrain from posting anything further on the subject.

Spot on post, dude!!!!!!


John from Boston

[Luvsaugeri]

Tell me something, 'bot...
How can they (both Azoff Inc themselves and their contractual clauses) forbid something Arnel's already doing?
Arnel's ALREADY spending up to an hour at a time online, answering questions freely, and these exchanges'
contents are being reproduced/published electronically several times/places on the web.


-wech

Ask JSS about that!! Maybe singers aren't 'forbidden' to grant interviews, or talk to fans online etc. But if they go outside what 'Journey' approves of.....well then they will very likely find themselves in the unemployment line!! It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Arnel's interaction with fans drops off dramatically soon.