New Rolling Stone Article: Sad 'Journey' For New Singer

[Saint John]

Tito problablly watches that video everynight after his bubble bath and warm strawberry Quik from his sipper cup that friga signed for him

OMG...

[Tito]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

[stevew2]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

Kissy Kissy Kissy for Neal

[Michigan Girl]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

Oh, and the argument doesn't hold water......it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than alimony!!!

[Tito]

Bullshit Dan. It's not a Job....if these guys, Schon especially, actually had to work a job for his money....he'd be the guy I step over (or kick) after I get off the train at Penn Station on my way to work. While there's no need to bring the wife and kids *involved* with the business of the band.....keeping the wife and kids on tour is not and SHOULD not be a problem.

Using your analogy more properly, you don't bring your wife and kids out on stage (during soundcheck or performance)...or into band meetings....but bringing them on tour is not and should not be considered bringing them to work. That's fucking laughable.

These wankers work 2-3 hours a night....not 8 hours a day.

Not true. Neal is street smart. For the third time, the road would be boring for them. It's better to let them stay at home and play with their friends and stay in one enviroment. As a good man once said, "The road ain't place to start a family."

Personally, I don't think they're doing this properly. They never have. One of the many reasons this band can't keep certain positions filled for more than a few years. Sure, there's a bit of sucking it up and dealing....the fact remains that Arnel's voiced some valid concerns that the band should consider dealing with, if they want this lineup to last beyond the year. I personally think, if Arnel was disgruntled enough to voice his opinions to a reporter from RS...things are worse than we all can imainge. I have to wonder if Arnel's going to last in this band long enough for this rockumentary to actually get to Post....

They have always done this right. What certain positions can't they keep filled more than a few years? Augeri - 8 years (left because of VOICES problems), Schon lifetime member, Valory nearly lifetime member, Cain 27 year veteran, Castronovo 10 years and counting, Perry 8+ years, Smith 5+ year run (total of 6+ years) could've been more if not fired, and Rolie 7 year run. So who did I miss?

I'm sure they are trying but immigration takes a long time. Also, once they've visited and get bored of the road now they have stay in a foreign land instead of home. It will be better next year. This is normal human behavior.

[Saint John]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

More like a Haiku on steroids.

[Tito]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

Oh, and the argument doesn't hold water......it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than alimony!!!

See Neal is a good man. He takes care of his kids and his ex-wives (thanks to the f'd up laws, he's probably had to be too nice). He has tried. Would it be better if he was Gene Simmons and never got married but cheated on his longtime girlfriend or had an open relationship? That ain't healthy nor is it family values.

[Michigan Girl]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

Oh, and the money argument doesn't hold water......it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than alimony!!!

See Neal is a good man. He takes care of his kids and his ex-wives (thanks to the f'd up laws, he's probably had to be too nice). He has tried. Would it be better if he was Gene Simmons and never got married but cheated on his longtime girlfriend or had an open relationship? That ain't healthy nor is it family values.

You're so cute....I wish I lived in your world!!!

[Tito]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

Oh, and the money argument doesn't hold water......it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than alimony!!!

See Neal is a good man. He takes care of his kids and his ex-wives (thanks to the f'd up laws, he's probably had to be too nice). He has tried. Would it be better if he was Gene Simmons and never got married but cheated on his longtime girlfriend or had an open relationship? That ain't healthy nor is it family values.

You're so cute....I wish I lived in your world!!!

It's called Earth.

[stevew2]

You mean UrANUS

[Deb]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

Oh, and the argument doesn't hold water......it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than alimony!!!

See Neal is a good man. He takes care of his kids and his ex-wives (thanks to the f'd up laws, he's probably had to be too nice). He has tried. Would it be better if he was Gene Simmons and never got married but cheated on his longtime girlfriend or had an open relationship? That ain't healthy nor is it family values.

Ick, but to tell ya the truth, Gene Simmons is probably a better bet in the relationship department. Doesn't drink, do drugs. He passed a lie detector test on his show that he hasn't cheated on Shannon. Before her is a whole other matter. May not be married, but he's stayed with her cuz he wants to.....instead of jumping from relationship to relationship. And from what I can tell from his show, for being "Gene Simmons" of Kiss.......he's got pretty normal down to earth kids and an otherwise normal family.

[Jana]

Actually Deb, on Gene Simmons, you're right on one thing. I think Gene stays with her because he loves her and has great kids. But there's a tape that went around the internet of Gene with a woman, and he wasn't a spring chicken in the photo I saw of it. So it had to be during his time with Shannon. One day he was on the View, and they called him out on having a really beautiful young auburn-haired woman with him. He didn't deny it. I think what he views as cheating is the question. Maybe a lot like Bill Clinton rationalized it . I won't elaborate.

[Tito]

Not speculation. I can tell you with some certainty, just how much of an artists time is requisite for the functions of the band. I've been around enough professional musicians, not just Journey, to comment authoritatively. The performance, the soundchecks, meet and greets (if applicable), media interviews (if applicable) and potentially business-band meetings...fall under that headline. 5-8 hours a day.... Granted, some of this stuff is spread out. But NOTHING in such a schedule should prevent a wife and kids from being on the bus or spending time nearby, while the artist does this sorta thing. Hell, artists have girlfriends out on tour that stay out of the way in these constraints....wtf can't family?!! The *onlY* reason, is because there's shit going on on tour that family presence would conflict with....i.e. banging french groupies, etc

Whether Arnel should accept that....or Neal's forcing it on the rest of the band (or just Arnel)....is a matter of opinion......but my argument is that if its the latter, Neal's going to find himself scouring youtube for another singer alot sooner than you and I might think...

Like you just said, 5 to 8 hours a day and spread out. That prevents/restricts them from doing things. Again, what will the family do all the day? Stare out the windows of the bus. zzzzzz.

Don't be rat.

[Tito]

You mean UrANUS

[stevew2]

Not speculation. I can tell you with some certainty, just how much of an artists time is requisite for the functions of the band. I've been around enough professional musicians, not just Journey, to comment authoritatively. The performance, the soundchecks, meet and greets (if applicable), media interviews (if applicable) and potentially business-band meetings...fall under that headline. 5-8 hours a day.... Granted, some of this stuff is spread out. But NOTHING in such a schedule should prevent a wife and kids from being on the bus or spending time nearby, while the artist does this sorta thing. Hell, artists have girlfriends out on tour that stay out of the way in these constraints....wtf can't family?!! The *onlY* reason, is because there's shit going on on tour that family presence would conflict with....i.e. banging french groupies, etc

Whether Arnel should accept that....or Neal's forcing it on the rest of the band (or just Arnel)....is a matter of opinion......but my argument is that if its the latter, Neal's going to find himself scouring youtube for another singer alot sooner than you and I might think...[quote/] Buy them some crayons and some Hello Kitty coloring books, or you could just give them yours Tito



Like you just said, 5 to 8 hours a day and spread out. That prevents/restricts them from doing things. Again, what will the family do all the day? Stare out the windows of the bus. zzzzzz.

Don't be rat.

[Tito]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

Oh, and the argument doesn't hold water......it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than alimony!!!

See Neal is a good man. He takes care of his kids and his ex-wives (thanks to the f'd up laws, he's probably had to be too nice). He has tried. Would it be better if he was Gene Simmons and never got married but cheated on his longtime girlfriend or had an open relationship? That ain't healthy nor is it family values.

Ick, but to tell ya the truth, Gene Simmons is probably a better bet in the relationship department. Doesn't drink, do drugs. He passed a lie detector test on his show that he hasn't cheated on Shannon. Before her is a whole other matter. May not be married, but he's stayed with her cuz he wants to.....instead of jumping from relationship to relationship. And from what I can tell from his show, for being "Gene Simmons" of Kiss.......he's got pretty normal down to earth kids and an otherwise normal family.

Give me a break. Then he's lied about his 4,800 women.

[Jana]

STRANGEGREY wrote: "Not speculation. I can tell you with some certainty, just how much of an artists time is requisite for the functions of the band. I've been around enough professional musicians, not just Journey, to comment authoritatively. The performance, the soundchecks, meet and greets (if applicable), media interviews (if applicable) and potentially business-band meetings...fall under that headline. 5-8 hours a day.... Granted, some of this stuff is spread out. But NOTHING in such a schedule should prevent a wife and kids from being on the bus or spending time nearby, while the artist does this sorta thing. Hell, artists have girlfriends out on tour that stay out of the way in these constraints....wtf can't family?!! The *onlY* reason, is because there's shit going on on tour that family presence would conflict with....i.e. banging french groupies, etc

Whether Arnel should accept that....or Neal's forcing it on the rest of the band (or just Arnel)....is a matter of opinion......but my argument is that if its the latter, Neal's going to find himself scouring youtube for another singer alot sooner than you and I might think...[quote/] Buy them some crayons and some Hello Kitty coloring books, or you could just give them yours Tito"

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In Jeff Scott Soto's last interview I read, this was stated:

"Did you witness any rock star moments?"

"There really aren't any crazy stories to tell. These guys are up there in years, so they play it safe when it comes to activity off the stage. They're all pretty mellow and family oriented, so it was a chill environment, almost too chill for me."



"Arnel makes me a better guy just knowing him" - Jonathan Cain

[Deb]

well, then, how do you explain his clear and apparent unhappiness with his current situation?! If they were so wonderful to him, why don't they make it possible for his family to join him on tour. Sorry. Doesn't compute to me.

Regardless, Go ahead and admire Arnel. But to do so because he's 'coping', despite all of this 'adversity' he seems to be experiencing, doesn't logically fit with your comment that the big boys are 'so' wonderful...eh?

Like I said, he is just homesick and he does miss his family but it is out of their hands.

I think the argument is that it seems that Schon feels it necessary to force that application of the lifestyle on others. He doesn't want his family around....but he doesn't want other's to have their family around either. Whatever the reason, it seems a tad unfair to force those ideals on others, just to make music. I guess some people never grow up...

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them. Plus, it would cost extra money to bring extra people along. I wouldn't grow up either if I was in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't. All in all, Neal has done well.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

Oh, and the argument doesn't hold water......it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than alimony!!!

See Neal is a good man. He takes care of his kids and his ex-wives (thanks to the f'd up laws, he's probably had to be too nice). He has tried. Would it be better if he was Gene Simmons and never got married but cheated on his longtime girlfriend or had an open relationship? That ain't healthy nor is it family values.

Ick, but to tell ya the truth, Gene Simmons is probably a better bet in the relationship department. Doesn't drink, do drugs. He passed a lie detector test on his show that he hasn't cheated on Shannon. Before her is a whole other matter. May not be married, but he's stayed with her cuz he wants to.....instead of jumping from relationship to relationship. And from what I can tell from his show, for being "Gene Simmons" of Kiss.......he's got pretty normal down to earth kids and an otherwise normal family.

Give me a break. Then he's lied about his 4,800 women.

From what I understand that was before Shannon. He didn't drink or do drugs, had to have something to do during Kiss' prime.

But who knows.....or cares.

[Tito]

STRANGEGREY wrote: "Not speculation. I can tell you with some certainty, just how much of an artists time is requisite for the functions of the band. I've been around enough professional musicians, not just Journey, to comment authoritatively. The performance, the soundchecks, meet and greets (if applicable), media interviews (if applicable) and potentially business-band meetings...fall under that headline. 5-8 hours a day.... Granted, some of this stuff is spread out. But NOTHING in such a schedule should prevent a wife and kids from being on the bus or spending time nearby, while the artist does this sorta thing. Hell, artists have girlfriends out on tour that stay out of the way in these constraints....wtf can't family?!! The *onlY* reason, is because there's shit going on on tour that family presence would conflict with....i.e. banging french groupies, etc

Whether Arnel should accept that....or Neal's forcing it on the rest of the band (or just Arnel)....is a matter of opinion......but my argument is that if its the latter, Neal's going to find himself scouring youtube for another singer alot sooner than you and I might think...[quote/] Buy them some crayons and some Hello Kitty coloring books, or you could just give them yours Tito"

______________________________________________________________________________


In Jeff Scott Soto's last interview I read this was stated:

"Did you witness any rock star moments?"

"There really aren't any crazy stories to tell. These guys are up there in years, so they play it safe when it comes to activity off the stage. They're all pretty mellow and family oriented, so it was a chill environment, almost too chill for me."



"Arnel makes me a better guy just knowing him" - Jonathan Cain

Thank you for posting. I was but I didn't want to touch the third rail.

[Tito]

I know he didn't do drugs and drink, I meant the women. However, I think he said he accidentally had a few pot brownies before.

[Lora]

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

And what about the video for that song? With a lonely Jonathan looking sadly at the photo of his wife. Shoulda given Arnel a clue, huh.

[Saint John]

Neal loves his kids. But the road is not the place for kids and again it would be boring after awhile for them.

This sounds, remarkably, like a song......

And what about the video for that song? With a lonely Jonathan looking sadly at the photo of his wife. Shoulda given Arnel a clue, huh.

Was that the wife that turned into a soft core porn star in the picture? If so, I can understand the sad face.

[stevew2]

She did a scene with Peter North, make you want to go to Mickey Dee s and get a sweet vanila milkshake[if ya know what i mean]

[StoneCold]

She did a scene with Peter North, make you want to go to Mickey Dee s and get a sweet vanila milkshake[if ya know what i mean]

Ugh, Rhi posted a recent picture of her once. It was hideous. I'll bet Frigas burned every last picture of her.

Wonder if he thinks of her when he plays Faithfully? He must hate that song now.

Oh, Stevew2. We know what you mean. It's not a pretty sight.

[stevew2]

She did a scene with Peter North, make you want to go to Mickey Dee s and get a sweet vanila milkshake[if ya know what i mean]

Ugh, Rhi posted a recent picture of her once. It was hideous. I'll bet Frigas burned every last picture of her.

Wonder if he thinks of her when he plays Faithfully? He must hate that song now.

Oh, Stevew2. We know what you mean. It's not a pretty sight.

Oh really?? say it aint so.The last one i saw i thought she was hot. it was the wrong pict. I drink but i know what a pretty women looks like even at 4:0o am

[Jana]

Jon's ex-wife has this obscure show on the web called Tane McClure Show on youtube or something like that. It's her talking about behind the scenes of the movie industry. It's really cheezy and I think it's probably something she produces herself with her cameraman so she can talk, talk, talk.

[stevew2]

Jon's ex-wife has this obscure show on the web called Tane McClure Show on youtube or something like that. It's her talking about behind the scenes of the movie industry. It's really cheezy and I think it's probably something she produces herself with her cameraman so she can talk, talk, talk.

Ill check it out she will forget about Cain when im done

[Jana]

stevew2, It's on YouTube called The Tane McClure Show Mamie Van Doren commentary or commentary on Mamie Van Doren. Try to sit through the whole thing and watch it. I bet you won't make it. I couldn't. Talk, Talk, Talk, Talk. But another one of the shows I saw was even worse.

[Lora]

Jon's ex-wife has this obscure show on the web called Tane McClure Show on youtube or something like that. It's her talking about behind the scenes of the movie industry. It's really cheezy and I think it's probably something she produces herself with her cameraman so she can talk, talk, talk.

I had a crush on her dad, actor Doug McClure, back when I was a kid. He was in a western TV series called The Virginian and he made a bunch of really terrible b-movies during his career. I actually got to meet him once at one of Tane's concerts back in the 80s.

[stevew2]

Jon's ex-wife has this obscure show on the web called Tane McClure Show on youtube or something like that. It's her talking about behind the scenes of the movie industry. It's really cheezy and I think it's probably something she produces herself with her cameraman so she can talk, talk, talk.

I had a crush on her dad, actor Doug McClure, back when I was a kid. He was in a western TV series called The Virginian and he made a bunch of really terrible b-movies during his career. I actually got to meet him once at one of Tane's concerts back in the 80s.

Does that make you a virgin?? im just kidding really