Should Herbie Herbert Write a Book About Journey?

[Don]

I think Herbie was right about one thing. These guys would probably be multi-millionaires if they hadn't liquidated those property assets in No. Cal.

[Jeremey]

I think Herbie was right about one thing. These guys would probably be multi-millionaires if they hadn't liquidated those property assets in No. Cal.

Well no shit, but that goes along with the idea that someone should have held on to Microsoft stock from 1983.

[Saint John]

And to underscore any fucking question that I may be one of the best informed sources on this board, I challenge you to find anyone in Perry or the Journey camp to deny that statement.

I like the attitude....you're drinking, huh?

[Jeremey]

That's probably one of the most important statements made on this board with no bullshit. I'm glad that I'm sitting here drinking a bottle of De La Montanya because I can tell you unabashedly:

Neal, Ross, and Jon owe their Post-Steve-Fuckin' Perry fucking careers to Steve Perry and the legal maneuverings he made beteween Frontiers and Raised on Radio. Lora or Cyndi, could you confirm???

[Don]

I think Herbie was right about one thing. These guys would probably be multi-millionaires if they hadn't liquidated those property assets in No. Cal.

Well no shit, but that goes along with the idea that someone should have held on to Microsoft stock from 1983.

Did Herbie ever steer them wrong when it came to money? Why go against the grain that time?

[Saint John]

Cyndi

Dude, you're in hot water with the bullhorns already because you sound like Perry...now you fuck up Cyndy's name????

[AlteredDNA]

Cyndi

Dude, you're in hot water with the bullhorns already because you sound like Perry...now you fuck up Cyndy's name????

Blame it on the De La Montanya...

[Jeremey]

I think Herbie was right about one thing. These guys would probably be multi-millionaires if they hadn't liquidated those property assets in No. Cal.

Well no shit, but that goes along with the idea that someone should have held on to Microsoft stock from 1983.

Did Herbie ever steer them wrong when it came to money? Why go against the grain that time?

Herbie was proud to state that he always got an equal cut of the band money...however, during Journey's heyday (after Frontiers and before ROR) - and who can blame him - he went for the full management cut.

[Jeremey]

I think Herbie was right about one thing. These guys would probably be multi-millionaires if they hadn't liquidated those property assets in No. Cal.

Well no shit, but that goes along with the idea that someone should have held on to Microsoft stock from 1983.

Did Herbie ever steer them wrong when it came to money? Why go against the grain that time?

Hey - Don't get me wrong....Herbie was even more essential to Journey than Peter Grant was to Zep.

[Voyager]

Andrew knows so many of the in-the-know people regarding Journey. He would be a great candidate to write a tell-all book about them.

Here's a book title idea: Journey - The Untold Story

[Saint John]

I think Herbie was right about one thing. These guys would probably be multi-millionaires if they hadn't liquidated those property assets in No. Cal.

Well no shit, but that goes along with the idea that someone should have held on to Microsoft stock from 1983.

Did Herbie ever steer them wrong when it came to money? Why go against the grain that time?

Hey - Don't get me wrong....Herbie was even more essential to Journey than Peter Grant was to Zep.

Now that was fuckin' funny!!!

[Jeremey]

I think Herbie was right about one thing. These guys would probably be multi-millionaires if they hadn't liquidated those property assets in No. Cal.

Well no shit, but that goes along with the idea that someone should have held on to Microsoft stock from 1983.

Did Herbie ever steer them wrong when it came to money? Why go against the grain that time?

Hey - Don't get me wrong....Herbie was even more essential to Journey than Peter Grant was to Zep.

Now that was fuckin' funny!!!

How is that funny? Herbie went to the threshold of sucking cock for these guys to get hit records....He was a business man all the way.

[Saint John]

I think Herbie was right about one thing. These guys would probably be multi-millionaires if they hadn't liquidated those property assets in No. Cal.

Well no shit, but that goes along with the idea that someone should have held on to Microsoft stock from 1983.

Did Herbie ever steer them wrong when it came to money? Why go against the grain that time?

Hey - Don't get me wrong....Herbie was even more essential to Journey than Peter Grant was to Zep.

Now that was fuckin' funny!!!

How is that funny? Herbie went to the threshold of sucking cock for these guys to get hit records....He was a business man all the way.

Misinterpreted. Kinda like Soto still being in Journey in Virginia.

[Jeremey]

I think Herbie was right about one thing. These guys would probably be multi-millionaires if they hadn't liquidated those property assets in No. Cal.

Well no shit, but that goes along with the idea that someone should have held on to Microsoft stock from 1983.

Did Herbie ever steer them wrong when it came to money? Why go against the grain that time?

Hey - Don't get me wrong....Herbie was even more essential to Journey than Peter Grant was to Zep.

Now that was fuckin' funny!!!

How is that funny? Herbie went to the threshold of sucking cock for these guys to get hit records....He was a business man all the way.

Misinterpreted. Kinda like Soto still being in Journey in Virginia.

Soto WAS still in Journey in Virginia, They just didn't know what the fuck they were going to do.

[Saint John]

Soto WAS still in Journey in Virginia, They just didn't know what the fuck they were going to do.

Agreed. Doesn't mean others didn't know that also.

[Jeremey]

Soto WAS still in Journey in Virginia, They just didn't know what the fuck they were going to do.

Agreed. Doesn't mean others didn't know that also.

All I know was - And this may be info to Jeff - When Neal heard the demo of "Virginia Is A ****" or whatever the fuck it was, he didn't believe they could mov foreward as Journey.

[Jeremey]

Soto WAS still in Journey in Virginia, They just didn't know what the fuck they were going to do.

Agreed. Doesn't mean others didn't know that also.

All I know was - And this may be info to Jeff - When Neal heard the demo of "Virginia Is A ****" or whatever the fuck it was, he didn't believe they could mov foreward as Journey.

And by **** I meant C U Next Tuesday.

[Arianddu]

I'd LOVE to write it - but don't have the contacts.

Seriously, I think it would be a great read, but a tough to research (if talking to the band members) and even tougher to keep unbiased when writing it up; there are some definate personalities involved!

As for the name, 'The Untold Story' is kind of dull and predictable. Surely we can come up with something better than that! Even 'Unknown Journey'!

[SherriBerry]

The story of Journey is incredible - it has everything whether you are a fan of the band or not. It sounds like Andrew has access to some amazing contacts and sources of information - how about it Andrew? I'd buy the hardcover gift edition!

I'm just learning now two amazing pieces of information that I have never heard before, specifically about Herbie manouevering to take majority ownership. Funny, he always portrays himself as just a 'Berkeley Hippie' who did everything for the band out of pure love.

Also, who on earth wrote a song for Journey called 'Virginia is a C***'?! I don't think even Eminem has written something like that - it would NOT go over well with the band's audience (well 99.9% anyway - there's no accounting for that tenth percentile!). Where in the hell would you put that song in Journey's lineup? A segue from 'Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin''?

[Jeremey]

The story of Journey is incredible - it has everything whether you are a fan of the band or not. It sounds like Andrew has access to some amazing contacts and sources of information - how about it Andrew? I'd buy the hardcover gift edition!

I'm just learning now two amazing pieces of information that I have never heard before, specifically about Herbie manouevering to take majority ownership. Funny, he always portrays himself as just a 'Berkeley Hippie' who did everything for the band out of pure love.

Also, who on earth wrote a song for Journey called 'Virginia is a C***'?! I don't think even Eminem has written something like that - it would NOT go over well with the band's audience (well 99.9% anyway - there's no accounting for that tenth percentile!). Where in the hell would you put that song in Journey's lineup? A segue from 'Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin''?

That song would be "winds of Freedom," Which i had nothing to do with.

[Andrew]

Maybe I will...

Yeah, just we need...an 8 chapter book with you spending 7 of those chapters slobbering over Soto's cup of coffee with the band.

Is it hard working being such a dick constantly?

[Andrew]

Soto WAS still in Journey in Virginia, They just didn't know what the fuck they were going to do.

Agreed. Doesn't mean others didn't know that also.

All I know was - And this may be info to Jeff - When Neal heard the demo of "Virginia Is A ****" or whatever the fuck it was, he didn't believe they could mov foreward as Journey.

That song sucked....not the vocal

[DracIsBack]

Herbie's book would certainly be colorful, but would be biased for sure.

Yeah. Herbie would have facinating stories that would be absolutely terrific. But he sure comes across as a loud, arrogant asshole in his interviews.

[bluejeangirl76]

Herbie's book would certainly be colorful, but would be biased for sure.

Yeah. Herbie would have facinating stories that would be absolutely terrific. But he sure comes across as a loud, arrogant asshole in his interviews.

Yeah he did. But I suspect its that "loud, arrogant asshole" vibe that got a lot of shit done around that band (including bringing in you know who). I dunno... wasn't there... just kind of how it seems.

[Jana]

Soto WAS still in Journey in Virginia, They just didn't know what the fuck they were going to do.

Agreed. Doesn't mean others didn't know that also.

All I know was - And this may be info to Jeff - When Neal heard the demo of "Virginia Is A ****" or whatever the fuck it was, he didn't believe they could mov foreward as Journey.

Wait, wait, back up. What was the song for? Was it a song written for Journey by Jeff?

[DracIsBack]

But I suspect its that "loud, arrogant asshole" vibe that got a lot of shit done around that band

No disagreement there. Sometimes the most productive are the most beligerant because they push people.

But he sure comes across as a jerk! The whole time I was watching BEHIND THE MUSIC, I thought, "yeah, Perry doesn't come across as a great guy, but then again ... neither does Herbie". Especially when he started sneering like an ass with his rant about the "wasn't part of the band" comments. Everyone else came across relatively diplomatic given the contenious topic, but Herbie came across as a sneering asshole, IMO.

Every time I read his interviews, I keep thinking of someone chanting,

I'm the greatest
I'm the most
I'm so good
I don't have to boast

I have to think that if he wrote an autobiography, it would have a closing line of, "I enjoyed writing this book as much as I know you enjoyed reading my scribe, no doubt the greatest literature ever published. "

[Arianddu]

But I suspect its that "loud, arrogant asshole" vibe that got a lot of shit done around that band

No disagreement there. Sometimes the most productive are the most beligerant because they push people.

But he sure comes across as a jerk! The whole time I was watching BEHIND THE MUSIC, I thought, "yeah, Perry doesn't come across as a great guy, but then again ... neither does Herbie". Especially when he started sneering like an ass with his rant about the "wasn't part of the band" comments. Everyone else came across relatively diplomatic given the contenious topic, but Herbie came across as a sneering asshole, IMO.

Every time I read his interviews, I keep thinking of someone chanting,

I'm the greatest
I'm the most
I'm so good
I don't have to boast

I have think that if he wrote an autobiography, it would have a closing line of, "I enjoyed writing this book as much as I know you enjoyed reading it"

To be honest, I'd rather read HH's autobiography than a book he's written on Journey specifically, simply because I don't think he could write a book on Journey; it would be his life as the manager of Journey, not really about them, and if I'm going to read that kind of book, I'd rather know more about HH's entire career, pre-, during and post-Journey.

[DracIsBack]

To be honest, I'd rather read HH's autobiography than a book he's written on Journey specifically, simply because I don't think he could write a book on Journey; it would be his life as the manager of Journey, not really about them, and if I'm going to read that kind of book, I'd rather know more about HH's entire career, pre-, during and post-Journey.

Imagine the opening paragraph of that.

"The lord decided that the earth required the perfect human ... one who stood truly greater than all men! And on February 5th, 1948, he delivered on that promise with an early Valentine's Day present.

His gift of love to you, was me ... Walter "Herbie" Herbert

During our time together, you'll learn how I single-handedly changed the world by virtue of my greatness ..."

[Arianddu]

To be honest, I'd rather read HH's autobiography than a book he's written on Journey specifically, simply because I don't think he could write a book on Journey; it would be his life as the manager of Journey, not really about them, and if I'm going to read that kind of book, I'd rather know more about HH's entire career, pre-, during and post-Journey.

Imagine the opening paragraph of that.

"The lord decided that the earth required the perfect human ... one who stood truly greater than all men! And on February 5th, 1948, he delivered on that promise with an early Valentine's Day present.

His gift of love to you, was me ... Walter "Herbie" Herbert

During our time together, you'll learn how I single-handedly changed the world by virtue of my greatness ..."

"...but let me add that I'm really just a simple, hippie Deadhead who loves all mankind. Me and Jesus, man, me and Jesus..."

[jrnyjetster]

Take Castles Burning and put it in the fuckin' Romantic Fiction section of barnes and noble.

hmmmm.....interesting. So I guess you dug really deep into the catalogue, hah Jeremey?