Journey and their "click track"

[Don]

Does Styx use a click track?

Who gives a fuck!!!

I thought you were out buying lottery tickets.

[Saint John]

Does Styx use a click track?

Who gives a fuck!!!

I thought you were out buying lottery tickets.

Going for a walk right now.

[stevew2]

Does Styx use a click track?

Who gives a fuck!!!

I thought you were out buying lottery tickets.

Going for a walk right now.

im goin to smoke some rock, be right back bitches lol

[Jeremey]

Well don't go anywhere, faggots, as I know you both and you're probably jacking it to the 700 Club.

[Saint John]

Well don't go anywhere, faggots, as I know you both and you're probably jacking it to the 700 Club.

[JSS]

Time to lose this bullshit piece of complacent embarrassment. You guys are far too good to be restricted by gay choreography. If Neal wants to rip into a fuckin' extended solo then God Damn it...let him!!! You guys are becoming formatted and somewhat boring to your hardcore fans that go to multiple shows and would like some variation to the songs. The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome. Anything Journey does with additional backing tracks is just icing on the cake. The only reason this was dropped with JSS was because there was an attempt to lower songs by a couple keys to accomodate his voice, and there was no BGV in key. Even then, Deen still played with a metronome.

To correct you here, it was their idea to drop down a half step when we started the European tour because the schedule was quite hairy. I didn't want it but was willing to try. We did ONE show tuned down & I hated it, actually found it more difficult to sing as the keys lowered forced me to sing with more of my 'full' voice where as singing in the regular tuning allowed me to use more 'head' voice (for those of you playing the home game, the head voice is a cross between real & falsetto, sounds strong yet saves you from having to belt out until you croak!) & actually saved my voice night after night. Eventually we all tire & need proper vocal rest but this tuning down thing wasn't for me.

Continue on with your topic now....yes, i still linger here from time to time.

[Jeremey]

Time to lose this bullshit piece of complacent embarrassment. You guys are far too good to be restricted by gay choreography. If Neal wants to rip into a fuckin' extended solo then God Damn it...let him!!! You guys are becoming formatted and somewhat boring to your hardcore fans that go to multiple shows and would like some variation to the songs. The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome. Anything Journey does with additional backing tracks is just icing on the cake. The only reason this was dropped with JSS was because there was an attempt to lower songs by a couple keys to accomodate his voice, and there was no BGV in key. Even then, Deen still played with a metronome.

To correct you here, it was their idea to drop down a half step when we started the European tour because the schedule was quite hairy. I didn't want it but was willing to try. We did ONE show tuned down & I hated it, actually found it more difficult to sing as the keys lowered forced me to sing with more of my 'full' voice where as singing in the regular tuning allowed me to use more 'head' voice (for those of you playing the home game, the head voice is a cross between real & falsetto, sounds strong yet saves you from having to belt out until you croak!) & actually saved my voice night after night. Eventually we all tire & need proper vocal rest but this tuning down thing wasn't for me.

Continue on with your topic now....yes, i still linger here from time to time.

Regardless, there were no backing tracks on that show, right?

[JSS]

Time to lose this bullshit piece of complacent embarrassment. You guys are far too good to be restricted by gay choreography. If Neal wants to rip into a fuckin' extended solo then God Damn it...let him!!! You guys are becoming formatted and somewhat boring to your hardcore fans that go to multiple shows and would like some variation to the songs. The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome. Anything Journey does with additional backing tracks is just icing on the cake. The only reason this was dropped with JSS was because there was an attempt to lower songs by a couple keys to accomodate his voice, and there was no BGV in key. Even then, Deen still played with a metronome.

To correct you here, it was their idea to drop down a half step when we started the European tour because the schedule was quite hairy. I didn't want it but was willing to try. We did ONE show tuned down & I hated it, actually found it more difficult to sing as the keys lowered forced me to sing with more of my 'full' voice where as singing in the regular tuning allowed me to use more 'head' voice (for those of you playing the home game, the head voice is a cross between real & falsetto, sounds strong yet saves you from having to belt out until you croak!) & actually saved my voice night after night. Eventually we all tire & need proper vocal rest but this tuning down thing wasn't for me.

Continue on with your topic now....yes, i still linger here from time to time.

Regardless, there were no backing tracks on that show, right?

Yes there were, all dropped down a half step...in the mix, you don't hear the 'droopy' effect that occurs when digitally detuning tracks but you certainly hear it hitting the 'solo' button!

[Carlitto H@kk]

Yes there were, all dropped down a half step...in the mix, you don't hear the 'droopy' effect that occurs when digitally detuning tracks but you certainly hear it hitting the 'solo' button!

Damn Jeff, what a buzz kill!!!
And all this time I figured that was all you, sounding like a thousand gods,
raining pure musical bliss on our craniums

[JSS]

Yes there were, all dropped down a half step...in the mix, you don't hear the 'droopy' effect that occurs when digitally detuning tracks but you certainly hear it hitting the 'solo' button!

Damn Jeff, what a buzz kill!!!
And all this time I figured that was all you, sounding like a thousand gods,
raining pure musical bliss on our craniums

If it makes you happy, TSO use NO click tracks

[Andrew]

The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

I was with you RIGHT up to the end, there.
That big beaked asshole made that band what is was. Stress on "was".

lol...that fuckin' creep isn't even missed. 26,000 happy faces in Chicago. Last time he was here solo he played at The Arie Crown. That dude is so overrated outside of Journey. He's a fucking anecdote...a joke. Journey is fine without him.

Dude, I'm completely over the way you present yourself on here. Talk about making an ass of yourself and offending as many people as possible. Reel it in....last warning.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Yes there were, all dropped down a half step...in the mix, you don't hear the 'droopy' effect that occurs when digitally detuning tracks but you certainly hear it hitting the 'solo' button!

Damn Jeff, what a buzz kill!!!
And all this time I figured that was all you, sounding like a thousand gods,
raining pure musical bliss on our craniums

If it makes you happy, TSO use NO click tracks

I could care less if there's a click track or some midget backstage
banging a cowbell to a metronome to keep time...
If the music sounds good and a click helps in that matter, big deal

But TSO going w/o a click... that show is incredible.
You just need to get them to squeeze in more time for you

BTW, looked like you "singers" need some help with your "facing movements"
when entering/exiting the stage... Want to hire someone with Military Drill/Parade experience????
I might know a guy

[bluejeangirl76]

If it makes you happy, TSO use NO click tracks

I'll be there to hear that in about 3 weeks.

[conversationpc]

What's the difference between a band using a click track or a classical orchestra with a conductor helping the musicians keep time with each other?

[Ehwmatt]

What's the difference between a band using a click track or a classical orchestra with a conductor helping the musicians keep time with each other?

An orchestra is very choreographed/set in stone. Plus, even still, there is still at least the human element with a conductor keeping time as opposed to a machine/computer.

[jrnyjetster]

What's the difference between a band using a click track or a classical orchestra with a conductor helping the musicians keep time with each other?

Good point.

[conversationpc]

What's the difference between a band using a click track or a classical orchestra with a conductor helping the musicians keep time with each other?

An orchestra is very choreographed/set in stone. Plus, even still, there is still at least the human element with a conductor keeping time as opposed to a machine/computer.

Doesn't make a difference either way to me.

[bluejeangirl76]

What's the difference between a band using a click track or a classical orchestra with a conductor helping the musicians keep time with each other?

The difference is one dresses in black tie and the other doesn't.

[G.I.Jim]

Most "good" drummers hate click tracks and I would assume Deen can't stand playing to one. Too bad the guys can't all sing like they used to, they wouldn't need the friking canned vox and click shit. It's all so robotic when the band plays to a click track. Journey scrapes by with it because let's face it, you're really paying attention to 2 people in that band for the most part, lead vocalist and lead guitar. Sure Deen, Jon and Ross rock... but it's really a 2 man show.

I love it when Rush plays a few tunes without the click tracks, they really loosen up and jam. Complete with missed notes, dropped sticks, fucked up bass runs, but it's all so dynanic and live, it's worth it. 2112 is one of the tunes where they just cut loose and have fun with it. Same with YYZ. Geddy's face is priceless when he frucks up those solos.

Texafana....This is where I call you out for all those vibrato comments......Most "good" drummers LOVE click tracks. I love you anyways, you sexless little editorialist,

I think he was dead-on with his comment. Too much of a good thing is just as bad as not enough. He was just trying to give you some honest feedback. JMHO.

[Carlitto H@kk]

What's the difference between a band using a click track or a classical orchestra with a conductor helping the musicians keep time with each other?

The difference is one dresses in black tie and the other doesn't.

Unless you're in TSO...
Black tie & no click

Heck, musicians using today's technology to thier advantage is a good thing
if it adds to the overall performance/experience.

It's when they take advantage of that same technology, and the fans, that things go south...

[Rhiannon]

Heck, musicians using today's technology to thier advantage is a good thing
if it adds to the overall performance/experience.

Yup... a lot of bands use that stuff... especially when they're doing a song that have certain effects that a guitar, bass, and drums can't replicate.

It's when they take advantage of that same technology, and the fans, that things go south...

Too much of a good thing is seldom a good thing.

[Deb]

Yes there were, all dropped down a half step...in the mix, you don't hear the 'droopy' effect that occurs when digitally detuning tracks but you certainly hear it hitting the 'solo' button!

Damn Jeff, what a buzz kill!!!
And all this time I figured that was all you, sounding like a thousand gods,
raining pure musical bliss on our craniums

If it makes you happy, TSO use NO click tracks

I could care less if there's a click track or some midget backstage
banging a cowbell to a metronome to keep time...
If the music sounds good and a click helps in that matter, big deal

But TSO going w/o a click... that show is incredible.
You just need to get them to squeeze in more time for you

Hey Carl, at least you got 2 solos now.............it was just the 1 for the first shows.

[strangegrey]

Jeremey, I gotta pipe in and add something here...

There are *plenty* of bands out there that dont use clicks and have adequate light shows. Perhaps Journey has invested a certain amount of money into automated lighting gear and they would forfeit any ROI on the gear by abandoning it. However, the light show shouldn't dictate the music....I mean, say that out loud. As a musician, if that doesnt sit well with you, you might need a gut check.

I know it's entertainment and a business...but seriously. The primary driver should *always* be the music. Let the music drive the rest of the show. Otherwise, the corporate/dinasaur rock labels that this band have been "desperately" trying to shed for 30+ years are indeed acurate...and they aren't what they claim.

I'll also submit that the canned background vox (and I'm presuming that Twinkle-Toes has pre-recorded keyboard parts as well) drive the use of a click more than the lights, unless as I've already stated, they're invested into lighting gear that requires it....

[Saint John]

Reel it in....last warning.

Aye aye, Captain.

[stevew2]

Heck, musicians using today's technology to thier advantage is a good thing
if it adds to the overall performance/experience.

Yup... a lot of bands use that stuff... especially when they're doing a song that have certain effects that a guitar, bass, and drums can't replicate.

It's when they take advantage of that same technology, and the fans, that things go south...

Too much of a good thing is seldom a good thing.

Except for sex

[G.I.Jim]

Heck, musicians using today's technology to thier advantage is a good thing
if it adds to the overall performance/experience.

Yup... a lot of bands use that stuff... especially when they're doing a song that have certain effects that a guitar, bass, and drums can't replicate.

It's when they take advantage of that same technology, and the fans, that things go south...

Too much of a good thing is seldom a good thing.

Except for sex

Anal sex with other men doesn't count Stevew2!

[JSS]

What's the difference between a band using a click track or a classical orchestra with a conductor helping the musicians keep time with each other?

The comment I made was referring more to no backing tracks, more than the fact that we're not using click tracks....you need a click track to keep the backing tracks in time with the band.

[Ehwmatt]

What's the difference between a band using a click track or a classical orchestra with a conductor helping the musicians keep time with each other?

The comment I made was referring more to no backing tracks, more than the fact that we're not using click tracks....you need a click track to keep the backing tracks in time with the band.

I'm wondering if any bands have toyed with the idea of having a roadie/tech trigger stuff like backing vocals in real-time to do away with clicks? I can't possibly imagine how tough it is to stick to a click live with all the adrenaline/nerves etc.


Kinda how a few guitarists out there will have their techs control their pedalboard or even just their wah from off stage...

[stevew2]

Heck, musicians using today's technology to thier advantage is a good thing
if it adds to the overall performance/experience.

Yup... a lot of bands use that stuff... especially when they're doing a song that have certain effects that a guitar, bass, and drums can't replicate.

It's when they take advantage of that same technology, and the fans, that things go south...

Too much of a good thing is seldom a good thing.

Except for sex

Anal sex with other men doesn't count Stevew2!

Idont do anal, that hole is for shit only

[AlteredDNA]

What's the difference between a band using a click track or a classical orchestra with a conductor helping the musicians keep time with each other?

The comment I made was referring more to no backing tracks, more than the fact that we're not using click tracks....you need a click track to keep the backing tracks in time with the band.

I'm wondering if any bands have toyed with the idea of having a roadie/tech trigger stuff like backing vocals in real-time to do away with clicks? I can't possibly imagine how tough it is to stick to a click live with all the adrenaline/nerves etc.


Kinda how a few guitarists out there will have their techs control their pedalboard or even just their wah from off stage...

This is kinda what I was talking about last night...A click track that runs for the duration of the song, but only for timekeeping. All other "tracks" (bg vocals / extra keyboard sounds / even lights) could be started / stopped at the appropriate times, synching to the main, already running, click track. For extended solos, or any other "spontaneous moments", the main click track would keep playing, but all of the "extra" elements of a song would not have to be tied to a single click track.

Not sure if I'm doing a good job of explaining this. The software designer side of me understands it...