OT: Goodbye to George W. Bush - How would you say it?

[Rick]

I find him to be quite charming at times.....and I agree with his statement!!

Are you seriously saying you would approve of someone being killed for throwing a shoe!?

Seriously?????

I mean, I wouldn't even joke about that!

I knew he was joking, and being extreme to prove a point.

What I was agreeing with is that finally an American is outraged at the way OUR President was disrespected. As all Americans should be outraged.

Fair enough, but I can't agree with you that it's something worth being outraged about. I save my outrage for things like the detainment and torture of Australian citizens by a nation that is supposedly our ally, and my country's former government refusing to demand their release to Australia, as the British did in the same circumstances, because they wanted to secure a trade deal (in which Australia got fucked anyway.)

If someone threw a shoe at my Prime Minister (who I support) I'd laugh and say 'good for them for expressing an opinion. And good for Rudd in accepting graciously that not everyone agrees with him.' Which, to give Shrubbie his due, he seemed to do.

Perhaps 'outrage' was too strong of a word. I just don't understand Americans that applauded the behavior. I think it's terrible. I don't care who the person is. And I would be ashamed if an American reporter did something like that to a world leader of another country.

And I'd be saying 'the idiot has a right to express his opinions. And a right to look like a total twat whilst doing it.'

Funny how 'freedom of speech' doesn't seem to be quite so vaunted when it's not an American doing it (and that's not aimed just at you, btw)

Sure, the idiot has a right to express his opinion, just as LA has a right to be outraged by that opinion.....but
I'm pretty sure freedom of speech should not inflict injury, regardless of the severity. Let me check that, though

No need to check it, you're correct. Freedom of Speech is limited. It cannot infringe on another persons rights.

[Arianddu]

Perhaps 'outrage' was too strong of a word. I just don't understand Americans that applauded the behavior. I think it's terrible. I don't care who the person is. And I would be ashamed if an American reporter did something like that to a world leader of another country.

And I'd be saying 'the idiot has a right to express his opinions. And a right to look like a total twat whilst doing it.'

Funny how 'freedom of speech' doesn't seem to be quite so vaunted when it's not an American doing it (and that's not aimed just at you, btw)

I don't care where you're from. Freedom of speech doesn't extend to throwing objects. That's got nothing to do with speech or opinion, that's violence.

Point taken, you are quite right.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That trap was easy:

While the scandals made bold headlines, Clinton's most significant failings as President concerned less publicized but far more ominous matters of national security. Clinton's loathing of the American military led to his failure in his primary responsibility: the protection of the American people. His actions with regard to military preparedness speak for themselves. In less than three years, deployments increased while manpower decreased from 2.1 million to 1.6 million. That decrease was the foundation upon which stood Al Gore's purported "reinvention" of government. Of the 305,000 employees removed from the federal payroll, 286,000 (or 90%) were military cuts.The statistics for America's defense during the Clinton years reveal the deep-seated animosity of the administration toward those who served in the military. The Army was cut from 18 divisions to 12. The Navy was reduced from 546 ships to 380. Air Force flight squadrons were cut from 76 to 50.

While the U.S. military was used as a 'meals on wheels' service by the Clinton administration in its nation building adventures, the military had its own humanitarian crises at home on its own bases. The pay freeze instituted by Clinton was imposed on a military in which 80 percent of all troops earned $30,000 per year or less. Food stamp applications soared and re-enlistment rates dropped.

Clinton's military seemed to do a record-setting job of toppling Saddam.
Or were those inherited arsenals and predator drones quickly whipped up under Bush's watch?
And let's not forget, Clinton's military strikes in Afghanistan to target Osama were derided by many a Conservative (and liberal) as a textbook case of wagging-the-dog.
And it probably was, but it was a sleight of hand rooted in grave geopolitical consequence.

[Saint John]

Clinton's military seemed to do a record-setting job of toppling Saddam.

The fucking Ides Of March could have toppled Saddam.

[Lula]

has "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" been said?

[stevew2]

Clinton's military seemed to do a record-setting job of toppling Saddam.

The fucking Ides Of March could have toppled Saddam.

I like that song Vehicle they did

[HERO]

First off I was born in L.A., California. But I was raised in Arkansas, we don't like to be called Cowboys either...........LOL! That is Texas.
I am not upset with you at all. Just asking you not to blanket all Americans as YOU Americans. Seeing that you don't actually feel that way makes it much clearer. I seemed to in the course of letting you know this, garner the attention of some very strongly oppinionated individuals. All I was saying is I get tired of the You Americans, or the You Brits, you get the picture I am sure. I was not having a problem with your disagreeing with the shoe thrower being harmed. In fact I feel we are on the same page. As I said, that was the voice of one individual, not the voice of America. In the process of scolding the one, you blanketed the whole. That was and is my point. I am glad to see on this we understand each other. Have a great Christmas!

It was never my intention to blanket all Americans as YOU Americans, just those individuals who really should have more sense, and not make such crass comments. There are some things that shouldn't be joked about. I'm sure that if I were to make jokes about 9/11 you would be offended, and rightly so. It goes both ways. As you say, we are on the same page. It really is refreshing to communicate with someone with as much sense as yourself. You have a good Christmas too.

[HERO]

He got off easy.

I hope you mean GWB!

No, the asshole that threw the shoe. I hope he gets executed.

Has anyone told you that you're a charmer? If so, they lied!

You Americans certainly have a way of endearing yourself to the rest of humanity. It's a mystery to me why anyone would want to throw a shoe at GWB.

I find him to be quite charming at times.....and I agree with his statement!!

Are you seriously saying you would approve of someone being killed for throwing a shoe!?

Seriously?????

I mean, I wouldn't even joke about that!

Amen.

[HERO]

1. The US doesn't have a thousand years of history. As the USA, it doesn't even have half of that.

2. Not all Americans are Christians or Jews.

3. Not all Christians or Jews are American.

4. 'Us' as you have used it is not the same as US, even though you seem to think it is.

This is why I have a problem with many Americans; not all, certainly, but many. People who behave as though 'The West' means 'America' - the same people who claim it's the best country in the world without any sense of irony, the same people who proclaim that US-style democracy is the way the world should go, the same people who seem to have very little understanding that the majority of the rest of the people of the world do not think like Americans, do not live like Americans, and do not want to be like Americans. The way the USA does things is not the best way; I can't see how it can be the best way for the the USA (but then, I don't live there and I am biased), and it certainly isn't the best way for the rest of the world.

I totally agree with you.

[artist4perry]

That trap was easy:

While the scandals made bold headlines, Clinton's most significant failings as President concerned less publicized but far more ominous matters of national security. Clinton's loathing of the American military led to his failure in his primary responsibility: the protection of the American people. His actions with regard to military preparedness speak for themselves. In less than three years, deployments increased while manpower decreased from 2.1 million to 1.6 million. That decrease was the foundation upon which stood Al Gore's purported "reinvention" of government. Of the 305,000 employees removed from the federal payroll, 286,000 (or 90%) were military cuts.The statistics for America's defense during the Clinton years reveal the deep-seated animosity of the administration toward those who served in the military. The Army was cut from 18 divisions to 12. The Navy was reduced from 546 ships to 380. Air Force flight squadrons were cut from 76 to 50.

While the U.S. military was used as a 'meals on wheels' service by the Clinton administration in its nation building adventures, the military had its own humanitarian crises at home on its own bases. The pay freeze instituted by Clinton was imposed on a military in which 80 percent of all troops earned $30,000 per year or less. Food stamp applications soared and re-enlistment rates dropped.

Clinton's military seemed to do a record-setting job of toppling Saddam.
Or were those inherited arsenals and predator drones quickly whipped up under Bush's watch?
And let's not forget, Clinton's military strikes in Afghanistan to target Osama were derided by many a Conservative (and liberal) as a textbook case of wagging-the-dog.
And it probably was, but it was a sleight of hand rooted in grave geopolitical consequence.

Merry Christmas Noble Cause..........

[HERO]

Then the rest of the world should stop sticking their hands out and expecting help from the US whenever they are in need!!!

What is it with Americans and their worship of money? I'll have you know that not all of us are needy or greedy. Maybe if you cared to examine Americas foreign policies you would soon realise that many of the countries in need are so because of a situation that you yourselves have created.

Besides, considering the mess your financial institutions are in, I'd keep quiet about hand outs if I were you. In a country so frightened of communism it is the supreme irony that the public have had to bail out the banks. How embarrassing.

[Rockindeano]

Then the rest of the world should stop sticking their hands out and expecting help from the US whenever they are in need!!!

What is it with Americans and their worship of money? I'll have you know that not all of us are needy or greedy. Maybe if you cared to examine Americas foreign policies you would soon realise that many of the countries in need are so because of a situation that you yourselves have created.

Besides, considering the mess your financial institutions are in, I'd keep quiet about hand outs if I were you. In a country so frightened of communism it is the supreme irony that the public have had to bail out the banks. How embarrassing.

You should keep quiet too, wherever the fuck you're from. Sure America's financial institutions are in trouble, but if we ever wanted to call you out on your debt or anyone else's, for that matter, and say "fuck you" you would be history. Sure we owe trillion+ on our own debt, but the world owes us collectively 10 trillion. Sure you want to play that card? Didn't think so, so go back to your mud hut, or straw castle, and start up the oven, I mean campfire, and cook your rice or squirrel or poisonous snake, and shut the fuck up already. Sure wouldn't want an Tomahawk missle to get loose and accidentally find your sorry assed excuse for a country.

[conversationpc]

Then the rest of the world should stop sticking their hands out and expecting help from the US whenever they are in need!!!

What is it with Americans and their worship of money? I'll have you know that not all of us are needy or greedy. Maybe if you cared to examine Americas foreign policies you would soon realise that many of the countries in need are so because of a situation that you yourselves have created.

Besides, considering the mess your financial institutions are in, I'd keep quiet about hand outs if I were you. In a country so frightened of communism it is the supreme irony that the public have had to bail out the banks. How embarrassing.

Sorry to break it to you but it isn't the Americans that are worshipping money in this case but nice job attempting to twist the argument around. It's a fact that America spends way more money throughout the world than anyone else to help people than anyone else does and then other countries whine and complain when we don't give more. The U.N. is a good example of this. We pay the lion's share of that corrupt organization's budget and the other member nations want us to pony up more.

As far as foreign policy goes, most nations that find themselves in a pickle find themselves so because of their own stupidity, neglect, or corruption. That's not to say that we don't mess up but we don't screw up any more than any other nation does.

[conversationpc]

You should keep quiet too, wherever the fuck you're from. Sure America's financial institutions are in trouble, but if we ever wanted to call you out on your debt or anyone else's, for that matter, and say "fuck you" you would be history. Sure we owe trillion+ on our own debt, but the world owes us collectively 10 trillion. Sure you want to play that card? Didn't think so, so go back to your mud hut, or straw castle, and start up the oven, I mean campfire, and cook your rice or squirrel or poisonous snake, and shut the fuck up already. Sure wouldn't want an Tomahawk loose and accidentally find your sorry assed excuse for a country.

[S2M]

I'd let Scandal do the honors....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAKyHhuw1HA

[HERO]

You should keep quiet too, wherever the fuck you're from. Sure America's financial institutions are in trouble, but if we ever wanted to call you out on your debt or anyone else's, for that matter, and say "fuck you" you would be history. Sure we owe trillion+ on our own debt, but the world owes us collectively 10 trillion. Sure you want to play that card? Didn't think so, so go back to your mud hut, or straw castle, and start up the oven, I mean campfire, and cook your rice or squirrel or poisonous snake, and shut the fuck up already. Sure wouldn't want an Tomahawk missle to get loose and accidentally find your sorry assed excuse for a country.

Dry your eyes and stop crying. Nice to see your prejudices coming through there, really classy. And the threat of military action too! You really are an American aren't you?!

[Rick]

You should keep quiet too, wherever the fuck you're from. Sure America's financial institutions are in trouble, but if we ever wanted to call you out on your debt or anyone else's, for that matter, and say "fuck you" you would be history. Sure we owe trillion+ on our own debt, but the world owes us collectively 10 trillion. Sure you want to play that card? Didn't think so, so go back to your mud hut, or straw castle, and start up the oven, I mean campfire, and cook your rice or squirrel or poisonous snake, and shut the fuck up already. Sure wouldn't want an Tomahawk missle to get loose and accidentally find your sorry assed excuse for a country.

Dry your eyes and stop crying. Nice to see your prejudices coming through there, really classy. And the threat of military action too! You really are an American aren't you?!

I'll add a "Go Fuck Yourself" to the thread as well MR. Hero. Asshole. And Merry Christmas.

[HERO]

You should keep quiet too, wherever the fuck you're from. Sure America's financial institutions are in trouble, but if we ever wanted to call you out on your debt or anyone else's, for that matter, and say "fuck you" you would be history. Sure we owe trillion+ on our own debt, but the world owes us collectively 10 trillion. Sure you want to play that card? Didn't think so, so go back to your mud hut, or straw castle, and start up the oven, I mean campfire, and cook your rice or squirrel or poisonous snake, and shut the fuck up already. Sure wouldn't want an Tomahawk missle to get loose and accidentally find your sorry assed excuse for a country.

Dry your eyes and stop crying. Nice to see your prejudices coming through there, really classy. And the threat of military action too! You really are an American aren't you?!

I'll add a "Go Fuck Yourself" to the thread as well MR. Hero. Asshole. And Merry Christmas.

I see that you are just as charming as always.

[Rockindeano]

Dry your eyes and stop crying. Nice to see your prejudices coming through there, really classy. And the threat of military action too! You really are an American aren't you?!

Yeah, I'm crying from laughing at you living in a fuckin teepee with a discarded Home Depot paint bucket filled with pond water as your toilet and a chalkboard for entertainment purposes. Dude, I was actually defending you ealier until you had to get all cocky and run your third world piehole. The fact is exactly like Conversationpc said. America is not without it's faults, but without America, life would get awful lonely and boring when all you have to eat is wheat grass you filthy fucking cocksucker!

[Rick]

You should keep quiet too, wherever the fuck you're from. Sure America's financial institutions are in trouble, but if we ever wanted to call you out on your debt or anyone else's, for that matter, and say "fuck you" you would be history. Sure we owe trillion+ on our own debt, but the world owes us collectively 10 trillion. Sure you want to play that card? Didn't think so, so go back to your mud hut, or straw castle, and start up the oven, I mean campfire, and cook your rice or squirrel or poisonous snake, and shut the fuck up already. Sure wouldn't want an Tomahawk missle to get loose and accidentally find your sorry assed excuse for a country.

Dry your eyes and stop crying. Nice to see your prejudices coming through there, really classy. And the threat of military action too! You really are an American aren't you?!

I'll add a "Go Fuck Yourself" to the thread as well MR. Hero. Asshole. And Merry Christmas.

I see that you are just as charming as always.

It would be unAmerican of me not to blast that post. I did say Merry Christmas.

[HERO]

Yeah, I'm crying from laughing at you living in a fuckin teepee with a discarded Home Depot paint bucket filled with pond water as your toilet and a chalkboard for entertainment purposes. Dude, I was actually defending you ealier until you had to get all cocky and run your third world piehole. The fact is exactly like Conversationpc said. America is not without it's faults, but without America, life would get awful lonely and boring when all you have to eat is wheat grass you filthy fucking cocksucker!

For your information a teepee is a conical tent as used by the Native Americans of the Great Plains. I doubt you even know what the third world is. You really should think before responding. As for the insult, really classy. Your mother would be proud of you.

[Saint John]

What is it with Americans and their worship of money?

Money is the prize of being better than the rest of the world at more things than any other country. What's amazing is that we are able to do this and still offer more freedom, safety and opportunity than any other country in the world. So take your Union Jack underpants, take them off your weekly bathed body, stick them in your mouth and go give the fucking Pope a rim job, you asshole.

I'll have you know that not all of us are needy or greedy.

This is a putrid attempt at masking that you're from a country whose latest innovation is the internet and drive-thru banking. Let us know when you discover that hairy armpits on women is fucking disgusting so we can make fun of you for that as well.

Maybe if you cared to examine Americas foreign policies you would soon realise that many of the countries in need are so because of a situation that you yourselves have created.

I was doing that, but am now in favor of Volkswagon-sized bombs raining over your country like semen on George Michael's grill.

Besides, considering the mess your financial institutions are in, I'd keep quiet about hand outs if I were you. In a country so frightened of communism it is the supreme irony that the public have had to bail out the banks. How embarrassing.

Don't waste any of your 14 I.Q. points worrying about us. Try to focus your genius on potable drinking water, keeping beer cold, and a new way to braid the jungle under your wife's arm. Til then, shut the fuck up.

[S2M]

What is it with Americans and their worship of money?

Money is the prize of being better than the rest of the world at more things than any other country. What's amazing is that we are able to do this and still offer more freedom, safety and opportunity than any other country in the world. So take your Union Jack underpants, take them off your weekly bathed body, stick them in your mouth and go give the fucking Pope a rim job, you asshole.

I'll have you know that not all of us are needy or greedy.

This is a putrid attempt at masking that you're from a country whose latest innovation is the internet and drive-thru banking. Let us know when you discover that hairy armpits on women is fucking disgusting so we can make fun of you for that as well.

Maybe if you cared to examine Americas foreign policies you would soon realise that many of the countries in need are so because of a situation that you yourselves have created.

I was doing that, but am now in favor of Volkswagon-sized bombs raining over your country like semen on George Michael's grill.

Besides, considering the mess your financial institutions are in, I'd keep quiet about hand outs if I were you. In a country so frightened of communism it is the supreme irony that the public have had to bail out the banks. How embarrassing.

Don't waste any of your 14 I.Q. points worrying about us. Try to focus your genius on potable drinking water, keeping beer cold, and a new way to braid the jungle under your wife's arm. Til then, shut the fuck up.

Perfect Post alert!!!!!!

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, I'm crying from laughing at you living in a fuckin teepee with a discarded Home Depot paint bucket filled with pond water as your toilet and a chalkboard for entertainment purposes. Dude, I was actually defending you ealier until you had to get all cocky and run your third world piehole. The fact is exactly like Conversationpc said. America is not without it's faults, but without America, life would get awful lonely and boring when all you have to eat is wheat grass you filthy fucking cocksucker!

For your information a teepee is a conical tent as used by the Native Americans of the Great Plains. I doubt you even know what the third world is. You really should think before responding. As for the insult, really classy. Your mother would be proud of you.

I know what a teepee is asshole. Aside from the Native Americans using them, they have also been known to be used as traffic cones for the driving test of the Jolly Green Giant and Paul Bunyan.

Dude, you still haven't told us where you are from. I am dying to know.

PS- I hate my mom, so go fuck yourself.

[Don]

Yeah, I'm crying from laughing at you living in a fuckin teepee with a discarded Home Depot paint bucket filled with pond water as your toilet and a chalkboard for entertainment purposes. Dude, I was actually defending you ealier until you had to get all cocky and run your third world piehole. The fact is exactly like Conversationpc said. America is not without it's faults, but without America, life would get awful lonely and boring when all you have to eat is wheat grass you filthy fucking cocksucker!

For your information a teepee is a conical tent as used by the Native Americans of the Great Plains. I doubt you even know what the third world is. You really should think before responding. As for the insult, really classy. Your mother would be proud of you.

I know what a teepee is asshole. Aside from the Native Americans using them, they have also been known to be used as traffic cones for the driving test of the Jolly Green Giant and Paul Bunyan.

Dude, you still haven't told us where you are from. I am dying to know.

PS- I hate my mom, so go fuck yourself.

Can we get a hint. Is Lassie on the barbie a culinary delight from where ever this person calls home?

[HERO]

Money is the prize of being better than the rest of the world at more things than any other country. What's amazing is that we are able to do this and still offer more freedom, safety and opportunity than any other country in the world. So take your Union Jack underpants, take them off your weekly bathed body, stick them in your mouth and go give the fucking Pope a rim job, you asshole.

You really do have a over inflated opinion of your country. If only your mind was as big as your ass. You are just better at exploitation, and that isn't a great boast. You country offers more safety? Are you not aware of your level of gun crime? Union Jack underpants? If you are attempting to suggest that I am British your education is somewhat lacking. The Union Jack is a naval flag, flown by the Royal Navy. You obviously meant to say Union flag, a completely different flag, but as you are American I forgive your ignorance. Infact I'm getting used to it.

[artist4perry]

Money is the prize of being better than the rest of the world at more things than any other country. What's amazing is that we are able to do this and still offer more freedom, safety and opportunity than any other country in the world. So take your Union Jack underpants, take them off your weekly bathed body, stick them in your mouth and go give the fucking Pope a rim job, you asshole.

You really do have a over inflated opinion of your country. If only your mind was as big as your ass. You are just better at exploitation, and that isn't a great boast. You country offers more safety? Are you not aware of your level of gun crime? Union Jack underpants? If you are attempting to suggest that I am British your education is somewhat lacking. The Union Jack is a naval flag, flown by the Royal Navy. You obviously meant to say Union flag, a completely different flag, but as you are American I forgive your ignorance. Infact I'm getting used to it.

Hero Drop the "American" crap. It is not why you are upset with individual comments on the board. As I said, one American does not speak for the whole. But you are quickly annoying me! Can you not agree with people without labeling them all the same? Geez get over your predjudices already!

[HERO]

I was doing that, but am now in favor of Volkswagon-sized bombs raining over your country like semen on George Michael's grill.

Ah, the time honoured threat of violence. Hell, why not. There can't be many places you haven't bombed.

[Don]

Money is the prize of being better than the rest of the world at more things than any other country. What's amazing is that we are able to do this and still offer more freedom, safety and opportunity than any other country in the world. So take your Union Jack underpants, take them off your weekly bathed body, stick them in your mouth and go give the fucking Pope a rim job, you asshole.

You really do have a over inflated opinion of your country. If only your mind was as big as your ass. You are just better at exploitation, and that isn't a great boast. You country offers more safety? Are you not aware of your level of gun crime? Union Jack underpants? If you are attempting to suggest that I am British your education is somewhat lacking. The Union Jack is a naval flag, flown by the Royal Navy. You obviously meant to say Union flag, a completely different flag, but as you are American I forgive your ignorance. Infact I'm getting used to it.

Why don't you just say where you are from. Are you ashamed? You find it easy to talk shit about America but you appear to be afraid when it comes to bringing your own homeland under Scrutiny.

[artist4perry]

I was doing that, but am now in favor of Volkswagon-sized bombs raining over your country like semen on George Michael's grill.

Ah, the time honoured threat of violence. Hell, why not. There can't be many places you haven't bombed.

Saint John, have you been hiding wepons of mass destruction again! Go to your room young man this instant!