Is this the end ?!

[NealIsGod]

A few years ago I would have been all over that pregame show, excited to see the band get exposure.

Now I just don't care.

I don't listen to Revelations anymore, and I have no plans to see them live.

It's not just on Arnel though. I didn't want to see these guys in concert as far back as 2004. They just play the same shit over and over again and never branch out to anything different.

If they want to be a cover band, just come out and say it already. Stop insulting the intelligence of the people who spend hard earned money to see you.

Yeah, but JSS energized their live perfomances big time.

He did but it wouldn't likely have translated into album sales.

The industry has changed Dave. The big money is in touring for bands like Journey.

[conversationpc]

A few years ago I would have been all over that pregame show, excited to see the band get exposure.

Now I just don't care.

I don't listen to Revelations anymore, and I have no plans to see them live.

It's not just on Arnel though. I didn't want to see these guys in concert as far back as 2004. They just play the same shit over and over again and never branch out to anything different.

If they want to be a cover band, just come out and say it already. Stop insulting the intelligence of the people who spend hard earned money to see you.

Yeah, but JSS energized their live perfomances big time.

He did but it wouldn't likely have translated into album sales.

The industry has changed Dave. The big money is in touring for bands like Journey.

Doesn't matter...Like it or not, no matter how they got the additional album sales with "Revelation", they did. Period. I doubt they would've made the same kind of money with JSS fronting the band even on their live shows. That argument just isn't there.

[NealIsGod]

A few years ago I would have been all over that pregame show, excited to see the band get exposure.

Now I just don't care.

I don't listen to Revelations anymore, and I have no plans to see them live.

It's not just on Arnel though. I didn't want to see these guys in concert as far back as 2004. They just play the same shit over and over again and never branch out to anything different.

If they want to be a cover band, just come out and say it already. Stop insulting the intelligence of the people who spend hard earned money to see you.

Yeah, but JSS energized their live perfomances big time.

He did but it wouldn't likely have translated into album sales.

The industry has changed Dave. The big money is in touring for bands like Journey.

Doesn't matter...Like it or not, no matter how they got the additional album sales with "Revelation", they did. Period. I doubt they would've made the same kind of money with JSS fronting the band even on their live shows. That argument just isn't there.

I think they would have sold just as many or more with JSS fronting the band with that same WalMart deal. Plus the concert DVD and remakes would have been 10x better.

[perryfaithful]

Interesting

THIS would be the audience of all audiences

[conversationpc]

I think they would have sold just as many or more with JSS fronting the band with that same WalMart deal. Plus the concert DVD and remakes would have been 10x better.

Like you, I wish JSS had kept the job. However, I doubt they would've even gotten that deal with JSS in the band. The re-records were a big part of the deal for Wal Mart and I doubt they would've agreed to it with Journey's lead singer sounding so much different than Perry. As much as I love JSS, I seriously doubt he would've made the remakes any better than the Arnel versions.

[bluejeangirl76]

I think they would have sold just as many or more with JSS fronting the band with that same WalMart deal. Plus the concert DVD and remakes would have been 10x better.

Fooey on the remakes no matter who is fronting, I won't switch my stance there, but I agree with you on the concert DVD. That would have been really cool.

[Playitloudforme]

I'm not sure why anyone should feel sorry for Arnel at this point. He has had plenty of time to get his act together. He is the one going out and doing karaoke show after karaoke show. No one is forcing him to not put his full attention towards the needs of the bands. At some point the guy has to step up and be accountable for his performances, and his fans have to be willing expect more, and quit using the whole 'ohh, poor Arnel, he's going through so much' routine. He's either a professional and can handle it, or he's not.

Precisely! The old bad cold story just doesn't fly. He should have been rested & prepared. Period.

Btw, I'm not knockin the solo stuff. I think it's great and Augeri should have done it too. It's only good PR for the band. The problem with it though, is that a singer without the band, or at least a similar band, will sink back into old habits and annunciations. Keeping your voice in shape isn't the problem, it's keeping it conditioned and tailored specifically for the band that becomes the problem.

Doing all the charity events & karaoke gigs is fine. But having the discipline to keep your vocal habits in tune with your band is another thing altogether. And I think that was part of the problem last night.


later~

Bingo. A month of his old crowd brought forth all the old habits. And fer cryin' out loud, why is he getting a cold so often? That's his instrument he's destroying if that's the case.

Not professional behavior. Period.

[Jubilee]

I'm not sure why anyone should feel sorry for Arnel at this point. He has had plenty of time to get his act together. He is the one going out and doing karaoke show after karaoke show. No one is forcing him to not put his full attention towards the needs of the bands. At some point the guy has to step up and be accountable for his performances, and his fans have to be willing expect more, and quit using the whole 'ohh, poor Arnel, he's going through so much' routine. He's either a professional and can handle it, or he's not.

Precisely! The old bad cold story just doesn't fly. He should have been rested & prepared. Period.

Btw, I'm not knockin the solo stuff. I think it's great and Augeri should have done it too. It's only good PR for the band. The problem with it though, is that a singer without the band, or at least a similar band, will sink back into old habits and annunciations. Keeping your voice in shape isn't the problem, it's keeping it conditioned and tailored specifically for the band that becomes the problem.

Doing all the charity events & karaoke gigs is fine. But having the discipline to keep your vocal habits in tune with your band is another thing altogether. And I think that was part of the problem last night.


later~

Bingo. A month of his old crowd brought forth all the old habits. And fer cryin' out loud, why is he getting a cold so often? That's his instrument he's destroying if that's the case.

Not professional behavior. Period.

All of this brings the whole percieved "inaccessability" of Perry into sharp focus. On the one hand we have Perry, who allegedly wouldn't talk to anyone if his hair was on fire while he was on tour in order to save his voice for the shows (and to avoid sick people). Pineda, on the other hand, will show up for the opening of an envelope, and it seems like he never shuts up. Perhaps Pineda should consider taking a page from the Perry book on professionalism for vocalists and learn when it's time to shut it down.

[bluejeangirl76]

On the one hand we have Perry, who allegedly wouldn't talk to anyone if his hair was on fire while he was on tour in order to save his voice for the shows (and to avoid sick people).

I think we've solved the mystery of the mullet.
His long (pretty!) hair was on fire and he wouldn't scream for help. Hence... mullet.

[Jubilee]

On the one hand we have Perry, who allegedly wouldn't talk to anyone if his hair was on fire while he was on tour in order to save his voice for the shows (and to avoid sick people).

I think we've solved the mystery of the mullet.
His long (pretty!) hair was on fire and he wouldn't scream for help. Hence... mullet.

hmmmm...

[The_Noble_Cause]

However, I doubt they would've even gotten that deal with JSS in the band. The re-records were a big part of the deal for Wal Mart and I doubt they would've agreed to it with Journey's lead singer sounding so much different than Perry.

The idea of remaking the hits was being floated before Jeff got a pink slip.
The idea was also kicked around during Jeremey's audition.
I doubt Neal (or Jeff) would gravitate towards the idea unless an offer was already on the table.

[amaron]

However, I doubt they would've even gotten that deal with JSS in the band. The re-records were a big part of the deal for Wal Mart and I doubt they would've agreed to it with Journey's lead singer sounding so much different than Perry.

The idea of remaking the hits was being floated before Jeff got a pink slip.
The idea was also kicked around during Jeremey's audition.
I doubt Neal (or Jeff) would gravitate towards the idea unless an offer was already on the table.

I'm sure they would have done it in 98 with Augeri if they were able to.

[NealIsGod]

However, I doubt they would've even gotten that deal with JSS in the band. The re-records were a big part of the deal for Wal Mart and I doubt they would've agreed to it with Journey's lead singer sounding so much different than Perry.

The idea of remaking the hits was being floated before Jeff got a pink slip.
The idea was also kicked around during Jeremey's audition.
I doubt Neal (or Jeff) would gravitate towards the idea unless an offer was already on the table.

Yup. People here were yelling about what a bad idea it was when JSS was in the band.

[DrFU]

Argus said in the official site shoutbox a while ago that the site got almost 2 million hits yesterday. Not sounding end-ish to me ...

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm sure they would have done it in 98 with Augeri if they were able to.

Tho never released publicly, in several Arrival-era interviews Cain mentioned recording some of the catalog with Augeri and sending them to rock radio stations.

[Jana]

I'm not sure why anyone should feel sorry for Arnel at this point. He has had plenty of time to get his act together. He is the one going out and doing karaoke show after karaoke show. No one is forcing him to not put his full attention towards the needs of the bands. At some point the guy has to step up and be accountable for his performances, and his fans have to be willing expect more, and quit using the whole 'ohh, poor Arnel, he's going through so much' routine. He's either a professional and can handle it, or he's not.

Precisely! The old bad cold story just doesn't fly. He should have been rested & prepared. Period.

Btw, I'm not knockin the solo stuff. I think it's great and Augeri should have done it too. It's only good PR for the band. The problem with it though, is that a singer without the band, or at least a similar band, will sink back into old habits and annunciations. Keeping your voice in shape isn't the problem, it's keeping it conditioned and tailored specifically for the band that becomes the problem.

Doing all the charity events & karaoke gigs is fine. But having the discipline to keep your vocal habits in tune with your band is another thing altogether. And I think that was part of the problem last night.


later~

Bingo. A month of his old crowd brought forth all the old habits. And fer cryin' out loud, why is he getting a cold so often? That's his instrument he's destroying if that's the case.

Not professional behavior. Period.

All of this brings the whole percieved "inaccessability" of Perry into sharp focus. On the one hand we have Perry, who allegedly wouldn't talk to anyone if his hair was on fire while he was on tour in order to save his voice for the shows (and to avoid sick people). Pineda, on the other hand, will show up for the opening of an envelope, and it seems like he never shuts up. Perhaps Pineda should consider taking a page from the Perry book on professionalism for vocalists and learn when it's time to shut it down.

Where are you getting your information? Madsplash? I think he made some mistakes leading up to this show definitely. But on the whole and throughout his career since he was young he not only doesn't talk much to save his voice, but he whispers. Read any interview of him b/f summer tour last year or during. Some mentioned how softly he spoke to conserve his voice. Old fans of his from early years when he was in his 20s talked about meeting him in person between breaks and he spoke so softly you could barely hear him. I would imagine after singing almost every night for 20 something years, that's why he still has the voice he does. And singing one song here or there in December I don't believe led to these problems and was for publicity for the upcoming tour.

Having said that, reagarding the Super Bowl, I feel he made mistakes and, like I said in a previous post, probably was not as disciplined these last months leading up to the Super Bowl regarding all the reasons stated before and others have stated and the charity gig didn't help. Won't go over them again.

[Behshad]

Argus said in the official site shoutbox a while ago that the site got almost 2 million hits yesterday. Not sounding end-ish to me ...

Thats not that great , considering the shutbox gets a daily 4.5 million hits a day,,, Rip must have been busy with Superbowl

Also, no one said this will affect the way ArnelArmy would feel about Arnel.
This affected the popularity the band couldve GAINED from the average Joes and Janes who didnt have a clue who Arnel was ....

[Don]

I'm not sure why anyone should feel sorry for Arnel at this point. He has had plenty of time to get his act together. He is the one going out and doing karaoke show after karaoke show. No one is forcing him to not put his full attention towards the needs of the bands. At some point the guy has to step up and be accountable for his performances, and his fans have to be willing expect more, and quit using the whole 'ohh, poor Arnel, he's going through so much' routine. He's either a professional and can handle it, or he's not.

Precisely! The old bad cold story just doesn't fly. He should have been rested & prepared. Period.

Btw, I'm not knockin the solo stuff. I think it's great and Augeri should have done it too. It's only good PR for the band. The problem with it though, is that a singer without the band, or at least a similar band, will sink back into old habits and annunciations. Keeping your voice in shape isn't the problem, it's keeping it conditioned and tailored specifically for the band that becomes the problem.

Doing all the charity events & karaoke gigs is fine. But having the discipline to keep your vocal habits in tune with your band is another thing altogether. And I think that was part of the problem last night.


later~

Bingo. A month of his old crowd brought forth all the old habits. And fer cryin' out loud, why is he getting a cold so often? That's his instrument he's destroying if that's the case.

Not professional behavior. Period.

All of this brings the whole percieved "inaccessability" of Perry into sharp focus. On the one hand we have Perry, who allegedly wouldn't talk to anyone if his hair was on fire while he was on tour in order to save his voice for the shows (and to avoid sick people). Pineda, on the other hand, will show up for the opening of an envelope, and it seems like he never shuts up. Perhaps Pineda should consider taking a page from the Perry book on professionalism for vocalists and learn when it's time to shut it down.

Where are you getting your information? Madsplash? I think he made some mistakes leading up to this show definitely. But on the whole and throughout his career since he was young he not only doesn't talk much to save his voice, but he whispers. Read any interview of him b/f summer tour last year or during. Some mentioned how softly he spoke to conserve his voice. Old fans of his from early years when he was in his 20s talked about meeting him in person between breaks and he spoke so softly you could barely hear him. I would imagine after singing almost every night for 20 something years, that's why he still has the voice he does. And singing one song here or there in December I don't believe led to these problems and was for publicity for the upcoming tour.

Having said that, reagarding the Super Bowl, I feel he made mistakes and, like I said in a previous post, probably was not as disciplined these last months leading up to the Super Bowl regarding all the reasons stated before and others have stated. Won't go over them again.

Arnel doesn't have to worry about being in the same kind of spotlight like yesterday for a long time, those moments don't come everyday. I don't think it's just the singing, which is minimal on his little sideshows, but the travel. Even the day he left the Philippines they had him doing that ASAP show, outside in Mabalacat. He doesn't know how to say no to anybody it appears. All that running around for promotion in the Philippines and I still only see one concert on the Schedule for his home country. Oh well, what can you do?

[Jana]

I'm not sure why anyone should feel sorry for Arnel at this point. He has had plenty of time to get his act together. He is the one going out and doing karaoke show after karaoke show. No one is forcing him to not put his full attention towards the needs of the bands. At some point the guy has to step up and be accountable for his performances, and his fans have to be willing expect more, and quit using the whole 'ohh, poor Arnel, he's going through so much' routine. He's either a professional and can handle it, or he's not.

Precisely! The old bad cold story just doesn't fly. He should have been rested & prepared. Period.

Btw, I'm not knockin the solo stuff. I think it's great and Augeri should have done it too. It's only good PR for the band. The problem with it though, is that a singer without the band, or at least a similar band, will sink back into old habits and annunciations. Keeping your voice in shape isn't the problem, it's keeping it conditioned and tailored specifically for the band that becomes the problem.

Doing all the charity events & karaoke gigs is fine. But having the discipline to keep your vocal habits in tune with your band is another thing altogether. And I think that was part of the problem last night.


later~

Bingo. A month of his old crowd brought forth all the old habits. And fer cryin' out loud, why is he getting a cold so often? That's his instrument he's destroying if that's the case.

Not professional behavior. Period.

All of this brings the whole percieved "inaccessability" of Perry into sharp focus. On the one hand we have Perry, who allegedly wouldn't talk to anyone if his hair was on fire while he was on tour in order to save his voice for the shows (and to avoid sick people). Pineda, on the other hand, will show up for the opening of an envelope, and it seems like he never shuts up. Perhaps Pineda should consider taking a page from the Perry book on professionalism for vocalists and learn when it's time to shut it down.

Where are you getting your information? Madsplash? I think he made some mistakes leading up to this show definitely. But on the whole and throughout his career since he was young he not only doesn't talk much to save his voice, but he whispers. Read any interview of him b/f summer tour last year or during. Some mentioned how softly he spoke to conserve his voice. Old fans of his from early years when he was in his 20s talked about meeting him in person between breaks and he spoke so softly you could barely hear him. I would imagine after singing almost every night for 20 something years, that's why he still has the voice he does. And singing one song here or there in December I don't believe led to these problems and was for publicity for the upcoming tour.

Having said that, reagarding the Super Bowl, I feel he made mistakes and, like I said in a previous post, probably was not as disciplined these last months leading up to the Super Bowl regarding all the reasons stated before and others have stated. Won't go over them again.

Arnel doesn't have to worry about being in the same kind of spotlight like yesterday for a long time, those moments don't come everyday. I don't think it's just the singing, which is minimal on his little sideshows, but the travel. Even the day he left the Philippines they had him doing that ASAP show, outside in Mabalacat. He doesn't know how to say no to anybody it appears. All that running around for promotion in the Philippines and I still only see one concert on the Schedule for his home country. Oh well, what can you do?

Good Points.

[Jubilee]

I'm not sure why anyone should feel sorry for Arnel at this point. He has had plenty of time to get his act together. He is the one going out and doing karaoke show after karaoke show. No one is forcing him to not put his full attention towards the needs of the bands. At some point the guy has to step up and be accountable for his performances, and his fans have to be willing expect more, and quit using the whole 'ohh, poor Arnel, he's going through so much' routine. He's either a professional and can handle it, or he's not.

Precisely! The old bad cold story just doesn't fly. He should have been rested & prepared. Period.

Btw, I'm not knockin the solo stuff. I think it's great and Augeri should have done it too. It's only good PR for the band. The problem with it though, is that a singer without the band, or at least a similar band, will sink back into old habits and annunciations. Keeping your voice in shape isn't the problem, it's keeping it conditioned and tailored specifically for the band that becomes the problem.

Doing all the charity events & karaoke gigs is fine. But having the discipline to keep your vocal habits in tune with your band is another thing altogether. And I think that was part of the problem last night.


later~

Bingo. A month of his old crowd brought forth all the old habits. And fer cryin' out loud, why is he getting a cold so often? That's his instrument he's destroying if that's the case.

Not professional behavior. Period.

All of this brings the whole percieved "inaccessability" of Perry into sharp focus. On the one hand we have Perry, who allegedly wouldn't talk to anyone if his hair was on fire while he was on tour in order to save his voice for the shows (and to avoid sick people). Pineda, on the other hand, will show up for the opening of an envelope, and it seems like he never shuts up. Perhaps Pineda should consider taking a page from the Perry book on professionalism for vocalists and learn when it's time to shut it down.

Where are you getting your information? Madsplash? I think he made some mistakes leading up to this show definitely. But on the whole and throughout his career since he was young he not only doesn't talk much to save his voice, but he whispers. Read any interview of him b/f summer tour last year or during. Some mentioned how softly he spoke to conserve his voice. Old fans of his from early years when he was in his 20s talked about meeting him in person between breaks and he spoke so softly you could barely hear him. I would imagine after singing almost every night for 20 something years, that's why he still has the voice he does. And singing one song here or there in December I don't believe led to these problems and was for publicity for the upcoming tour.

Having said that, reagarding the Super Bowl, I feel he made mistakes and, like I said in a previous post, probably was not as disciplined these last months leading up to the Super Bowl regarding all the reasons stated before and others have stated and the charity gig didn't help. Won't go over them again.

[finalfight]

Where are you getting your information? Madsplash? I think he made some mistakes leading up to this show definitely. But on the whole and throughout his career since he was young he not only doesn't talk much to save his voice, but he whispers. Read any interview of him b/f summer tour last year or during. Some mentioned how softly he spoke to conserve his voice. Old fans of his from early years when he was in his 20s talked about meeting him in person between breaks and he spoke so softly you could barely hear him. I would imagine after singing almost every night for 20 something years, that's why he still has the voice he does. And singing one song here or there in December I don't believe led to these problems and was for publicity for the upcoming tour.

Having said that, reagarding the Super Bowl, I feel he made mistakes and, like I said in a previous post, probably was not as disciplined these last months leading up to the Super Bowl regarding all the reasons stated before and others have stated and the charity gig didn't help. Won't go over them again.

Willy Wonka's World of Pure Imagination(tm)

[Jubilee]

Where are you getting your information? Madsplash? I think he made some mistakes leading up to this show definitely. But on the whole and throughout his career since he was young he not only doesn't talk much to save his voice, but he whispers. Read any interview of him b/f summer tour last year or during. Some mentioned how softly he spoke to conserve his voice. Old fans of his from early years when he was in his 20s talked about meeting him in person between breaks and he spoke so softly you could barely hear him. I would imagine after singing almost every night for 20 something years, that's why he still has the voice he does. And singing one song here or there in December I don't believe led to these problems and was for publicity for the upcoming tour.

Having said that, reagarding the Super Bowl, I feel he made mistakes and, like I said in a previous post, probably was not as disciplined these last months leading up to the Super Bowl regarding all the reasons stated before and others have stated and the charity gig didn't help. Won't go over them again.

Willy Wonka's World of Pure Imagination(tm)

[finalfight]

Where are you getting your information? Madsplash? I think he made some mistakes leading up to this show definitely. But on the whole and throughout his career since he was young he not only doesn't talk much to save his voice, but he whispers. Read any interview of him b/f summer tour last year or during. Some mentioned how softly he spoke to conserve his voice. Old fans of his from early years when he was in his 20s talked about meeting him in person between breaks and he spoke so softly you could barely hear him. I would imagine after singing almost every night for 20 something years, that's why he still has the voice he does. And singing one song here or there in December I don't believe led to these problems and was for publicity for the upcoming tour.

Having said that, reagarding the Super Bowl, I feel he made mistakes and, like I said in a previous post, probably was not as disciplined these last months leading up to the Super Bowl regarding all the reasons stated before and others have stated and the charity gig didn't help. Won't go over them again.

Willy Wonka's World of Pure Imagination(tm)

...it's the source of MadSplash's 'insider' info.