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Postby Liam » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:50 pm

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Liam wrote:Because a lot of people on this site (and elsewhere) depict these assholes as saints. They're douchebags. And this coming from a guy who HAD tremendous respect for Neal's guitar playing, and what Friga brought to the band with Escape - Arrival. Now, it's all just stale bullshit. YES, YOU HEARD ME JOURNEY, BULLSHIT. Get Perry back, do a farewell tour, and then call it quits with Journey.


If coming in here and making these kinds of remarks gives you a big e-penis, making you feel good, then more power to you. Whatever, dude.
I'm gonna continue to enjoy Journey as I always have and stay of of the politics of it all. I can't believe I let myself feed your trolling. :roll:


Yes...that's the reason I'm doing this...I want to feel e-well hung. Jesus Christ. You people are insane.
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Postby Gideon » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:50 pm

slucero wrote:LMAO... Liam is killing me... (and I suspect Andrew too :) )...

I'm struggling to remember the last time the band listened to its fans... anybody?


Liam, nor you, nor me, nor anyone else speaks for the majority. Is Journey required to listen to the demands of the relative few?
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:51 pm

Liam, I understand your anger, and your entitled to your feelings. I am just saying if you could sit down with the band, and you found out that they were not the awful people you thought they were, or that they had regreted actions that seem to make you so angry, how would you feel?

I have just seen so much through the years, people change, and they regret. Sometimes it is just too late to correct mistakes, or too many were made.

I don't know. As I said your entitled to your oppinion. I learned a long time ago that walking in someone elses shoes is hard.

I don't see sainthood in any of them, just folks trying to get along in this world same as me. Warts and all. :wink:
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Postby Rick » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:54 pm

Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.
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Postby Liam » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:57 pm

A4P...they won't admit to doing a GODDAMN thing wrong. Schon's a fuckin' moron who follows anything Friga wants to do. Friga never liked JSS. Which was VERY evident on stage at ANY given concert in '06-'07, even though he called Jeff "the Real deal". Sound familiar???
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Postby Jana » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:00 pm

Liam wrote:A4P...they won't admit to doing a GODDAMN thing wrong. Schon's a fuckin' moron who follows anything Friga wants to do. Friga never liked JSS. Which was VERY evident on stage at ANY given concert in '06-'07, even though he called Jeff "the Real deal". Sound familiar???


Other people say it's the opposite, that Neal makes the decisions. That's what Jeremey seemed to think in his case. I guess we'll never know.
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Postby Liam » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:00 pm

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Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.


THE GUY SUCKS. If he was even HALFWAY decent, I might actually BE a Journey fan still. I like American bands to have singers that can actually pronounce their "L's".
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:01 pm

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Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.


I hope someday I can meet you Rick. You sound like a cool guy! Yes I too was upset, refused to go to any concert till Arnel came along. I missed out on JSS, Augeri, all the ones before. I still love Steve the best. But those days are sadly done. But the concert was fun, was it the same, no, but it was fun! I still enjoyed it. And when Steve does an album, and we all know the Madsplash fairy has waived his magic wand so it must be so! :wink: :lol: :lol: , I will go see him, and love every song. That would be like hating all the Beatles. They were good to each other, and bad for each other........human. Each still wonderful musicians. :D
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Postby Liam » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:01 pm

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Liam wrote:A4P...they won't admit to doing a GODDAMN thing wrong. Schon's a fuckin' moron who follows anything Friga wants to do. Friga never liked JSS. Which was VERY evident on stage at ANY given concert in '06-'07, even though he called Jeff "the Real deal". Sound familiar???


Other people say it's the opposite, that Neal makes the decisions. That's what Jeremy seemed to think in his case. I guess we'll never know.


Neal's too dumb to make a decision on his own.
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Postby ebake02 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:03 pm

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Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast.


I agree with you 100%. I agree their decision making sucks but why let that ruin good music by a good band.
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Postby Jana » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:04 pm

Liam wrote:
Rick wrote:
Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.


THE GUY SUCKS. If he was even HALFWAY decent, I might actually BE a Journey fan still. I like American bands to have singers that can actually pronounce their "L's".


Some people thought JSS sucked as far as being a Journey frontman, even though he's a great singer in his own right. Everyone has their opinion and likes and dislikes regarding Journey's lead singers since Perry.
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Postby Don » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:08 pm

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Liam wrote:Because a lot of people on this site (and elsewhere) depict these assholes as saints. They're douchebags. And this coming from a guy who HAD tremendous respect for Neal's guitar playing, and what Friga brought to the band with Escape - Arrival. Now, it's all just stale bullshit. YES, YOU HEARD ME JOURNEY, BULLSHIT. Get Perry back, do a farewell tour, and then call it quits with Journey.


I let myself feed your trolling. :roll:


Steveo, Trolls don't come into a site with almost 9,000 posts that Liam has. You have 10 bro, go listen to Revelation and relax.


O-rly? I moderate a forum with almost 200k members and I have guys with 15000 posts who troll. Nobody is immune, infact some of them just get more obnoxious the longer they are around. :wink:


Please, not the "my forum is bigger than your forum". This isn't the AP Forum dude. Even if if you don't agree with Liam, you can't just tag him a troll. He has contributed a lot more then some and just because he's got a different opinion now doesn't make him any less a member of our community.
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Postby Liam » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:09 pm

The difference between JSS and Arnel is, JSS was actually bringing back the people who said "I won't EVER go see Journey without Perry", and he ROCKED that fuckin' stage ANYWHERE they played. Arnel...the guy is NOT a frontman, nor does he have the chops to pull off that catalog. Again...good voice, but not for Journey. They need someone to annunciate the words.
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Postby nolippin » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:10 pm

Wasn't this subject talked to death already...a year or two ago??? What's with bringing up old news and old threads???
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Postby Rick » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:10 pm

Liam wrote:
Rick wrote:
Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.


THE GUY SUCKS. If he was even HALFWAY decent, I might actually BE a Journey fan still. I like American bands to have singers that can actually pronounce their "L's".


Well, go see Frontiers in Houston on March 6th then.

And Jeremey, if you're reading this. Make sure you get those "L's" in there, real thick like! :lol:
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Postby Jana » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:12 pm

Rick wrote:
Liam wrote:
Rick wrote:
Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.


THE GUY SUCKS. If he was even HALFWAY decent, I might actually BE a Journey fan still. I like American bands to have singers that can actually pronounce their "L's".


Well, go see Frontiers in Houston on March 6th then.

And Jeremey, if you're reading this. Make sure you get those "L's" in there, real thick like! :lol:


You're so bad, Rick. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Jana » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:14 pm

Liam wrote:The difference between JSS and Arnel is, JSS was actually bringing back the people who said "I won't EVER go see Journey without Perry", and he ROCKED that fuckin' stage ANYWHERE they played. Arnel...the guy is NOT a frontman, nor does he have the chops to pull off that catalog. Again...good voice, but not for Journey. They need someone to annunciate the words.


so says you. I disagree.
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Postby Don » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:14 pm

Rick wrote:
Liam wrote:
Rick wrote:
Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.


THE GUY SUCKS. If he was even HALFWAY decent, I might actually BE a Journey fan still. I like American bands to have singers that can actually pronounce their "L's".


Well, go see Frontiers in Houston on March 6th then.

And Jeremey, if you're reading this. Make sure you get those "L's" in there, real thick like! :lol:


Dude, you giving me flashbacks of my Japanese girlfirend singing, "Well you say you want a levorution, we just want to change the world".
Please stop with the L's already, you're killing me.
Now, I'm going to have to get tanked.
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Postby Lula » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:15 pm

nolippin wrote:Wasn't this subject talked to death already...a year or two ago??? What's with bringing up old news and old threads???


who knows? i too am not a fan of current journey, but so what? they don't give a rat's ass what their fans, those of us in the minority think. so much more of life to enjoy. i am digging discovering the music of john legend 8)
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:15 pm

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Liam wrote:
Rick wrote:
Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.


THE GUY SUCKS. If he was even HALFWAY decent, I might actually BE a Journey fan still. I like American bands to have singers that can actually pronounce their "L's".


Well, go see Frontiers in Houston on March 6th then.

And Jeremey, if you're reading this. Make sure you get those "L's" in there, real thick like! :lol:


Dude, you giving me flashbacks of my Japanese girlfirend singing, "Well you say you want a levorution, we just want to change the world".
Please stop with the L's already, you're killing me.
Now, I'm going to have to get tanked.

And go sing on the Karaoke thread with Vlad............ 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Postby Rick » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:16 pm

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Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.


I hope someday I can meet you Rick. You sound like a cool guy! Yes I too was upset, refused to go to any concert till Arnel came along. I missed out on JSS, Augeri, all the ones before. I still love Steve the best. But those days are sadly done. But the concert was fun, was it the same, no, but it was fun! I still enjoyed it. And when Steve does an album, and we all know the Madsplash fairy has waived his magic wand so it must be so! :wink: :lol: :lol: , I will go see him, and love every song. That would be like hating all the Beatles. They were good to each other, and bad for each other........human. Each still wonderful musicians. :D


Thanks, I hope so too. ;)
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Postby Lula » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:17 pm

i've met rick, he's the most!!
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Postby Jana » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:17 pm

Lula wrote:
nolippin wrote:Wasn't this subject talked to death already...a year or two ago??? What's with bringing up old news and old threads???


who knows? i too am not a fan of current journey, but so what? they don't give a rat's ass what their fans, those of us in the minority think. so much more of life to enjoy. i am digging discovering the music of john legend 8)


Now, you're talkin'. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Don » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:17 pm

Lula wrote:
nolippin wrote:Wasn't this subject talked to death already...a year or two ago??? What's with bringing up old news and old threads???


who knows? i too am not a fan of current journey, but so what? they don't give a rat's ass what their fans, those of us in the minority think. so much more of life to enjoy. i am digging discovering the music of john legend 8)


I didn't know who Legend was until the Superbowl. I like him.
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Postby Rick » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:17 pm

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Liam wrote:
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Liam wrote:I'm actually not pissed at the band anymore3, I'm more pissed at the people who said "I'll never give Journey another dime of my money", then turn around and do the opposite. And the FIGHT me, because they know I'm right.


What, you never changed your mind on a single thing in your whole fucking life? Give me a break. :roll: Do you even read what you post? How fucking bitter and asinine you sound?

Yeah, I was against them for a couple of months, and voiced it on here, and not in a very pretty way. One day, RockinDeano made a post on here that made me realize what a dumb ass I was being. I love their music, so why not just give up all this bullshit, and enjoy them for what they are? That's what happened with me. Their music had been through a LOT of good times in my life, so I'm not going to let their business decisions change ME. I'm in it for the music, going to concerts, partying and hanging out with people on here. I've had a fucking blast. While all you miserable fuckers can do is cry in your beer. Screw that.


THE GUY SUCKS. If he was even HALFWAY decent, I might actually BE a Journey fan still. I like American bands to have singers that can actually pronounce their "L's".


Well, go see Frontiers in Houston on March 6th then.

And Jeremey, if you're reading this. Make sure you get those "L's" in there, real thick like! :lol:


Hey Rick, are you going to be able to make it down here for the show?


I wish I could, but no. That would be a great time too.
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Postby Carla777 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:20 pm

Liam wrote:Because a lot of people on this site (and elsewhere) depict these assholes as saints. They're douchebags. And this coming from a guy who HAD tremendous respect for Neal's guitar playing, and what Friga brought to the band with Escape - Arrival. Now, it's all just stale bullshit. YES, YOU HEARD ME JOURNEY, BULLSHIT. Get Perry back, do a farewell tour, and then call it quits with Journey.


I always hear about Ritchie Blackmore that he was so narcisistic person, and that he was this and the other..well he is a human, a genius, and i guess artist can show a special behavior sometimes, but never change my mind about his work in music, he is an awesome guitar player, and now he is with his personal project wich i'm not really interested so i don't listen..but i'll never want for him he quit making music whatever this might be, and yes i prefer him in rainbow or deep purple, but well is my option keep buying his new music or not.
as for Journey..with all the new bands around and after all this time this band still remain, and still creates, hope they can come out with new music material and better records with Pineda, is all i care.

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Postby StoneCold » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:22 pm

Lula wrote:i've met rick, he's the most!!


the most what? :lol:
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Postby Jana » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:22 pm

Carla777 wrote:
Liam wrote:Because a lot of people on this site (and elsewhere) depict these assholes as saints. They're douchebags. And this coming from a guy who HAD tremendous respect for Neal's guitar playing, and what Friga brought to the band with Escape - Arrival. Now, it's all just stale bullshit. YES, YOU HEARD ME JOURNEY, BULLSHIT. Get Perry back, do a farewell tour, and then call it quits with Journey.


I always hear about Ritchie Blackmore that he was so narcisistic person, and that he was this and the other..well he is a human, a genius, and i guess artist can show a special behavior sometimes, but never change my mind about his work in music, he is an awesome guitar player, and now he is with his personal project wich i'm not really interested so i don't listen..but i'll never want for him he quit making music whatever this might be, and yes i prefer him in rainbow or deep purple, but well is my option keep buying his new music or not.
as for Journey..with all the new bands around and after all this time this band still remain, and still creates, hope they can come out with new music material and better records with Pineda, is all i care.

Saludos


You're so right, Carla. I'm sure Perry, Neal, and Jonathan have all been assholes many times over. Creatively speaking they're fantastic.
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Liam wrote:Because a lot of people on this site (and elsewhere) depict these assholes as saints. They're douchebags. And this coming from a guy who HAD tremendous respect for Neal's guitar playing, and what Friga brought to the band with Escape - Arrival. Now, it's all just stale bullshit. YES, YOU HEARD ME JOURNEY, BULLSHIT. Get Perry back, do a farewell tour, and then call it quits with Journey.


I always hear about Ritchie Blackmore that he was so narcisistic person, and that he was this and the other..well he is a human, a genius, and i guess artist can show a special behavior sometimes, but never change my mind about his work in music, he is an awesome guitar player, and now he is with his personal project wich i'm not really interested so i don't listen..but i'll never want for him he quit making music whatever this might be, and yes i prefer him in rainbow or deep purple, but well is my option keep buying his new music or not.
as for Journey..with all the new bands around and after all this time this band still remain, and still creates, hope they can come out with new music material and better records with Pineda, is all i care.

Saludos


You're so right, Carla. I'm sure Perry, Neal, and Jonathan have all been assholes many times over. Creatively speaking they're fantastic.


Sometimes we all can be, quite a human trait :wink: :lol: :lol: .....but creative yes, none the less! :D
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It was really special meeting You, Dean and Wyatt, finally. You're such a nice lady and great mother. Wyatt is the happiest little boy around and definitely gets his looks from his momma. :D And Deano, what a blast he was. Wish I could have spent more time with all of you.
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