Article on Jeremey and What Really Happened with Journey

[Voyager]

Ehwmatt,

Lippin is obviously tring to push someone over the egde so that the thread gets locked.

There is no reason that Lippin should be so hostile about us discussing Jeremey. There is something more than what meets the eye here.

[nolippin]

Oh and you guys were the ones whining about being called names earlier.

It's a simple enough question. If Jeremey is so great, why not start a forum for him instead of trying to hijack this one??? You have an agenda. When threads are started everyone simply isn't going to agree with you. There are many people here who are sick to f'ing death of listening to all the whining from and about Jeremey.

THE GUY DIDN"T GET THE JOB. MOVE ON!!!

Then why don't you start a forum for him instead of trying to hijack this one???

Oh, please!!! Jeremey really needs to invest in real promotion instead of winding up the annex street team. You guys sound like a bunch of high school groupies.

Jeremey hasn't done shit for me other than impress the hell out of me live, twice. Anyone who wants to criticize ought to see him live and in the flesh (as should people about any singer). I haven't even seen Arnel in person yet.

Did I even start this thread you two-bit shrimp dick? Jeremey's fair game here any way. And who the fuck made you supreme arbiter of content?

[nolippin]

Ummm sure I pushed people over the edge. It wasn't me who suggested buttfucking by monkeys. You are right though. There was an agenda here. It just pisses you guys off that it was seen through.

Then why don't you start a forum for him instead of trying to hijack this one???

Oh, please!!! Jeremey really needs to invest in real promotion instead of winding up the annex street team. You guys sound like a bunch of high school groupies.

Jeremey hasn't done shit for me other than impress the hell out of me live, twice. Anyone who wants to criticize ought to see him live and in the flesh (as should people about any singer). I haven't even seen Arnel in person yet.

Did I even start this thread you two-bit shrimp dick? Jeremey's fair game here any way. And who the fuck made you supreme arbiter of content?

[donnaplease]

Oh, please!!! Jeremey really needs to invest in real promotion instead of winding up the annex street team. You guys sound like a bunch of high school groupies.

Jeremey hasn't done shit for me other than impress the hell out of me live, twice. Anyone who wants to criticize ought to see him live and in the flesh (as should people about any singer). I haven't even seen Arnel in person yet.

And Jeremey hasn't been a member of the Annex for several months now. Ehwmatt and Voyager aren't members there either. I, however, am a member, and Frontiers is rarely mentioned there anymore, because of personal reasons that don't need to be discussed here. Your 'agenda' theory has an 'agenda' of it's own, I'm afraid.

Regardless, Jeremey no longer participates here by his own choosing. Frontiers is a Journey tribute band, making threads discussing it very relevant to a Journey forum. Just because you may not like J or his band doesn't mean that others are not interested in learning more about them. Hugo, Chalfant, Kelty, these guys are discussed too. There is no problem here except the one you're trying to create, and hopefully it won't work.

[nolippin]

I believe I'm allowed to voice my opinion as well as the groupies are. If that changes, I believe Andrew will let me know.

Oh, please!!! Jeremey really needs to invest in real promotion instead of winding up the annex street team. You guys sound like a bunch of high school groupies.

Jeremey hasn't done shit for me other than impress the hell out of me live, twice. Anyone who wants to criticize ought to see him live and in the flesh (as should people about any singer). I haven't even seen Arnel in person yet.

And Jeremey hasn't been a member of the Annex for several months now. Ehwmatt and Voyager aren't members there either. I, however, am a member, and Frontiers is rarely mentioned there anymore, because of personal reasons that don't need to be discussed here. Your 'agenda' theory has an 'agenda' of it's own, I'm afraid.

Regardless, Jeremey no longer participates here by his own choosing. Frontiers is a Journey tribute band, making threads discussing it very relevant to a Journey forum. Just because you may not like J or his band doesn't mean that others are not interested in learning more about them. Hugo, Chalfant, Kelty, these guys are discussed too. There is no problem here except the one you're trying to create, and hopefully it won't work.

[Gideon]

Well that was entertaining.

I've been listening to some of the clips of Jeremey singing and I am impressed; he sounds far more like Perry in tone than Augeri or Arnel and displayed some impressive vibrato during "Separate Ways." But I stand my original assessment: his replication of Perry's theatrics and mannerisms sound forced. He's definitely a damn good singer, though. But contrary to what has been said about Augeri and Arnel, I think allow enough of their own voice and personal inflections to distinguish them from Perry. Not the same for Jeremey, and some of it sounds forced.

But that's his job and he does it well. But I'm with Rick; Neal made the proper choice. The singer for Journey needs to share certain similarities with Perry without imitating him entirely.

[Voyager]

There is no problem here except the one you're trying to create, and hopefully it won't work.

Exactly.

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[Andrew]

Then why don't you start a forum for him instead of trying to hijack this one???

You could and should take some of your own advice.

[Andrew]

I believe I'm allowed to voice my opinion as well as the groupies are. If that changes, I believe Andrew will let me know.

See above.

[madsplash]

I honestly didn't mean for this to be a thread to start a big war. I wasn't around when all this stuff went down with Jeremey and Journey. After researching it, I just thought some others also didn't know and would like to.

To think that it was done to have any agenda, is wrong.

IMO, Jeremey would have been a far better choice. He's the perfect Journey tribute singer and without SP, Journey is now a tribute band in tribute to the man and the sound that everyone in the world who knows the band, associates the sound with, The Voice.

P.S.
As I've said before, I'm a proud, straight, male loon. It's nothing to do with sexuality. I'm a loon over the man's talent. Nothing more, nothing less.

[journeyMusic]

I don't see the need for the J bashing in this thread. Why not leave it alone. People can and will believe what they want and no one will change that. Jeremey was first choice, it didn't work out and everyone involved moved on. Arnel has issues,no doubt,but for the most part had a successful tour.

The article at the beginning was written in Jan 08. Old news for many. Jeremey is not here to defended himself or add this thoughts,so why drag the dude's name through hell. As for you Jeremey/Frontiers haters. Carry on, I'm sure you are giving someone else a much needed rest.

I believe that Jeremey was invited to join. I have heard to story many times and a few of them from Jeremey himself and the story is always the same. Don't like him? Fine. Stated your case and move on-no need for a Jeremey bashing. I for one will support Jeremey and look forward to his upcoming CD.

[NealIsGod]

Hey nolippin. Get a life you jealous freak. Your obsession with Jeremey is creepy as shit. How many times are you going to post the same shit over and over?

[escapefan]

Thanks Madsplash, I have never seen that article before...

[nolippin]

The article only presents the side Jeremey wants you to believe...not what "really" happened. So, I believe your thread to be misleading. The subject and all the inconsistencies and contradictions in the story have been discussed here ad nauseum. I question why it was brought up yet again. The article is over a year old, and the "audition" was two years ago.

I honestly didn't mean for this to be a thread to start a big war. I wasn't around when all this stuff went down with Jeremey and Journey. After researching it, I just thought some others also didn't know and would like to.

To think that it was done to have any agenda, is wrong.

IMO, Jeremey would have been a far better choice. He's the perfect Journey tribute singer and without SP, Journey is now a tribute band in tribute to the man and the sound that everyone in the world who knows the band, associates the sound with, The Voice.

P.S.
As I've said before, I'm a proud, straight, male loon. It's nothing to do with sexuality. I'm a loon over the man's talent. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Rick]

This was a video I took with a crappy digital camera, but I think it reflects J's ability to express the songs the way the MASTER meant for them to be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZGl4uYsAqk

And I posted this recently but if anyone's interested, here it is again: WCTNGOF (same crappy camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgS2bNkmA0

Virginia's loss is the country's gain: if you guys get a chance to see Frontiers (although the band is almost completely different than what you see in these videos) I encourage you to go. It's a great show!

Take a shot where you can.

Not sure if anyone else did, but I read between the lines.

The name of the band is Journey. Their lead singer is Arnel Pineda. He won the job, rightfully. He was the best man for the job. He's been amazing and those that say different are delusional.

You have no idea what the master would prefer, now do you?

No, Rick. The name of the band is Frontiers, and that's who this thread is discussing. Dude, you might be hurting Andrew's livelihood by picking a fight where none exists. Sheesh!

WRONG! The title of the thread says Journey, not Frontiers.

[NealIsGod]

The article only presents the side Jeremey wants you to believe...not what "really" happened. So, I believe your thread to be misleading. The subject and all the inconsistencies and contradictions in the story have been discussed here ad nauseum. I question why it was brought up yet again. The article is over a year old, and the "audition" was two years ago.

Do something noteworthy with your life and maybe someone will write an article or start a thread about you.

And no, trying to belittle someone else's talents and accomplishments doesn't count.

[mikemarrs]

knowing the revolving door situation with vocalists how are we not to know if something happens with arnel they could always go back and look at jeremey again or recontact him if they ever felt the need.i'd never say never in situations like these because anything is truly possible as we have already seen.....


i wonder if jeremey would consider it if they ever did cross that bridge again.interesting to see what he'd do if given another opportunity to look at it.

[donnaplease]

This was a video I took with a crappy digital camera, but I think it reflects J's ability to express the songs the way the MASTER meant for them to be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZGl4uYsAqk

And I posted this recently but if anyone's interested, here it is again: WCTNGOF (same crappy camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgS2bNkmA0

Virginia's loss is the country's gain: if you guys get a chance to see Frontiers (although the band is almost completely different than what you see in these videos) I encourage you to go. It's a great show!

Take a shot where you can.

Not sure if anyone else did, but I read between the lines.

The name of the band is Journey. Their lead singer is Arnel Pineda. He won the job, rightfully. He was the best man for the job. He's been amazing and those that say different are delusional.

You have no idea what the master would prefer, now do you?

No, Rick. The name of the band is Frontiers, and that's who this thread is discussing. Dude, you might be hurting Andrew's livelihood by picking a fight where none exists. Sheesh!

WRONG! The title of the thread says Journey, not Frontiers.

Actually, Rick. You're right. You got me there. I didn't consider the title of the thread. My participation began when someone (Gideon, I think) said he had only heard J singing on 'Suzanne'. So I added some links to other Frontiers performances. Arnel's name was not mentioned by me. I am currently a Frontiers (and a Jeremey) fan, and had no other ulterior motive other than to share their music with people who were interested.

IDGAF about what happened with Journey. Leave me the fuck alone.

[Rick]

This was a video I took with a crappy digital camera, but I think it reflects J's ability to express the songs the way the MASTER meant for them to be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZGl4uYsAqk

And I posted this recently but if anyone's interested, here it is again: WCTNGOF (same crappy camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgS2bNkmA0

Virginia's loss is the country's gain: if you guys get a chance to see Frontiers (although the band is almost completely different than what you see in these videos) I encourage you to go. It's a great show!

Take a shot where you can.

Not sure if anyone else did, but I read between the lines.

The name of the band is Journey. Their lead singer is Arnel Pineda. He won the job, rightfully. He was the best man for the job. He's been amazing and those that say different are delusional.

You have no idea what the master would prefer, now do you?

No, Rick. The name of the band is Frontiers, and that's who this thread is discussing. Dude, you might be hurting Andrew's livelihood by picking a fight where none exists. Sheesh!

WRONG! The title of the thread says Journey, not Frontiers.

Actually, Rick. You're right. You got me there. I didn't consider the title of the thread. My participation began when someone (Gideon, I think) said he had only heard J singing on 'Suzanne'. So I added some links to other Frontiers performances. Arnel's name was not mentioned by me. I am currently a Frontiers (and a Jeremey) fan, and had no other ulterior motive other than to share their music with people who were interested.

IDGAF about what happened with Journey. Leave me the fuck alone.

Didn't mean to offend you Donna. There was supposed to be a ( ) at the end of my sentence. My bad.

[Ehwmatt]

knowing the revolving door situation with vocalists how are we not to know if something happens with arnel they could always go back and look at jeremey again or recontact him if they ever felt the need.i'd never say never in situations like these because anything is truly possible as we have already seen.....


i wonder if jeremey would consider it if they ever did cross that bridge again.interesting to see what he'd do if given another opportunity to look at it.

I hope not... I love seeing Frontiers and hearing some Journey songs I'd never get to hear live otherwise on an average tour. I also still love being able to go see Neal play his guitar. So the current set-up is fine for me. I got no prob w Arnel.

[SusieP]

I was around when Jeremey was going through all of that little adventure.
And he kept us all pretty much up to date with what happened. And many of us chatted with him openly on the threads about it and via PM etc.
But I hadn't read that article either, so, thanks for posting it.

As we all know there are three sides to every story....... yours, mine and the truth.

And we all read the information and make up our own minds about it.

All that matters is that Jeremey and his family are ok and that his life is taking him in a direction he and they are happy with.

And nobody can say he doesn't have a great singing voice.

The 'forcing' people have mentioned is, I think, understandable when you are singing some Journey songs. It is only human nature to emulate even if you do it subconsciously.
I don't think anyone will hear any 'forced' vocals when Jeremey is singing his own stuff.

I was one of those who warned him that the Journey offer might be a poisoned chalice, [in light of how Jeff was sacked] so even though he may well have given up the chance to be a millionaire............money isn't everything and he seems happy to me pursuing this new avenue.

I think it has probably turned out for the best.

Best of luck to the guy. That's what I say.

I hope he comes back and posts with us again sometime, too.

[G.I.Jim]

I was around when Jeremey was going through all of that little adventure.
And he kept us all pretty much up to date with what happened. And many of us chatted with him openly on the threads about it and via PM etc.
But I hadn't read that article either, so, thanks for posting it.

As we all know there are three sides to every story....... yours, mine and the truth.

And we all read the information and make up our own minds about it.

All that matters is that Jeremey and his family are ok and that his life is taking him in a direction he and they are happy with.

And nobody can say he doesn't have a great singing voice.

The 'forcing' people have mentioned is, I think, understandable when you are singing some Journey songs. It is only human nature to emulate even if you do it subconsciously.
I don't think anyone will hear any 'forced' vocals when Jeremey is singing his own stuff.

I was one of those who warned him that the Journey offer might be a poisoned chalice, [in light of how Jeff was sacked] so even though he may well have given up the chance to be a millionaire............money isn't everything and he seems happy to me pursuing this new avenue.

I think it has probably turned out for the best.

Best of luck to the guy. That's what I say.

I hope he comes back and posts with us again sometime, too.

I'm not going to turn this into a mud-slinging contest, because Jeremey's not here to defend himself. All I'm going to say is re-read the article then read what I highlighted. Jeremey didn't give up the position, nor did he turn them down to be with his family. He was offered the job, then recieved a call from management saying they wanted to weigh all of their options. They turned him down, not the other way around. They chose Arnel.

Jeremey's got a great voice, and I really look forward to hearing his new songs with Spinks. If he releases an album, I'll buy it. I wish him the best of luck with his future endeavors.

[SusieP]

I was around when Jeremey was going through all of that little adventure.
And he kept us all pretty much up to date with what happened. And many of us chatted with him openly on the threads about it and via PM etc.
But I hadn't read that article either, so, thanks for posting it.

As we all know there are three sides to every story....... yours, mine and the truth.

And we all read the information and make up our own minds about it.

All that matters is that Jeremey and his family are ok and that his life is taking him in a direction he and they are happy with.

And nobody can say he doesn't have a great singing voice.

The 'forcing' people have mentioned is, I think, understandable when you are singing some Journey songs. It is only human nature to emulate even if you do it subconsciously.
I don't think anyone will hear any 'forced' vocals when Jeremey is singing his own stuff.

I was one of those who warned him that the Journey offer might be a poisoned chalice, [in light of how Jeff was sacked] so even though he may well have given up the chance to be a millionaire............money isn't everything and he seems happy to me pursuing this new avenue.

I think it has probably turned out for the best.

Best of luck to the guy. That's what I say.

I hope he comes back and posts with us again sometime, too.

I'm not going to turn this into a mud-slinging contest, because Jeremey's not here to defend himself. All I'm going to say is re-read the article then read what I highlighted. Jeremey didn't give up the position, nor did he turn them down to be with his family. He was offered the job, then recieved a call from management saying they wanted to weigh all of their options. They turned him down, not the other way around. They chose Arnel.

Jeremey's got a great voice, and I really look forward to hearing his new songs with Spinks. If he releases an album, I'll buy it. I wish him the best of luck with his future endeavors.

OK I'll rephrase it.............he may have lost out on the chance to become a millionaire.

How's that. xxx
I still think its worked out for the best because I don't think he would have been happy.

[Andrew]

End of the line....