Steve Perry - Makes No Difference

[Blueskies]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

Great pic. Speaking from the perspective of someone that does portraits...you have beautiful eyes.

Thanks.

Oh, you're talking to HIM!

You do too, Rick!

[Rick]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

Great pic. Speaking from the perspective of someone that does portraits...you have beautiful eyes.

Thanks.

Oh, you're talking to HIM!

You do too, Rick!

I certainly wasn't fishing for a compliment, but thanks. I was just fucking with STM. Good looking bastard. I hate him.

[Blueskies]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

Great pic. Speaking from the perspective of someone that does portraits...you have beautiful eyes.

Thanks.

Oh, you're talking to HIM!

You do too, Rick!

I certainly wasn't fishing for a compliment, but thanks. I was just fucking with STM. Good looking bastard. I hate him.

Well, jealousy is not becoming.

...oh, I know you weren't but I've seen your eyes so thats why I said it.

[Rick]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

Great pic. Speaking from the perspective of someone that does portraits...you have beautiful eyes.

Thanks.

Oh, you're talking to HIM!

You do too, Rick!

I certainly wasn't fishing for a compliment, but thanks. I was just fucking with STM. Good looking bastard. I hate him.

Well, jealousy is not becoming.

...oh, I know you weren't but I've seen your eyes so thats why I said it.

Gracias, hermosa, gracias.

[Blueskies]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

Great pic. Speaking from the perspective of someone that does portraits...you have beautiful eyes.

Thanks.

Oh, you're talking to HIM!

You do too, Rick!

I certainly wasn't fishing for a compliment, but thanks. I was just fucking with STM. Good looking bastard. I hate him.

Well, jealousy is not becoming.

...oh, I know you weren't but I've seen your eyes so thats why I said it.

Gracias, hermosa, gracias.

[S2M]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

Great pic. Speaking from the perspective of someone that does portraits...you have beautiful eyes.

[tammy]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

Great pic. Speaking from the perspective of someone that does portraits...you have beautiful eyes.

I thought the same thing when I saw his avatar in another thread just now - except I don't create portraits. Nice pic, Stockton.

[Jubilee]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

Great pic. Speaking from the perspective of someone that does portraits...you have beautiful eyes.

I thought the same thing when I saw his avatar in another thread just now - except I don't create portraits. Nice pic, Stockton.

Yup.

[SherriBerry]

Well i guess he could have made it without journey. That man has one hell of a voice on him.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Not really. I think he'd have had decent success on any musical path.
You can't deny that voice.

While I obviously agree, who else besides our best friend HH would have taken him off of a turkey farm?

With that said, I seriously doubt that he would have relegated himself to stay on a turkey farm forever. With his love of music, he would have gravitated back into the fray. I think, anyway.

I think so too. With his gift and ambition, he wouldn't have stayed on a turkey ranch where he was miserable - he simply needed the money and time to heal. The quality of the Alien Project demos demonstrates just how talented SP was and what he was capable of creating with another band. It dispels the assumption that he could not have made it without Journey. He was incredibly lucky though to join a band with such talented musicians and one of the best managers in music. I believe some things are destined and Steve Perry joining Journey was one of them.

[Gideon]

Well i guess he could have made it without journey. That man has one hell of a voice on him.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Not really. I think he'd have had decent success on any musical path.
You can't deny that voice.

While I obviously agree, who else besides our best friend HH would have taken him off of a turkey farm?

With that said, I seriously doubt that he would have relegated himself to stay on a turkey farm forever. With his love of music, he would have gravitated back into the fray. I think, anyway.

I think so too. With his gift and ambition, he wouldn't have stayed on a turkey ranch where he was miserable - he simply needed the money and time to heal. The quality of the Alien Project demos demonstrates just how talented SP was and what he was capable of creating with another band. It dispels the assumption that he could not have made it without Journey. He was incredibly lucky though to join a band with such talented musicians and one of the best managers in music. I believe some things are destined and Steve Perry joining Journey was one of them.

I disagree entirely. That Steve Perry was an incredibly talented vocalist does not mean that he would have made it without Journey. There are talented musicians all over the world who are ignored and fade into obscurity due to circumstances. And as far as I am aware, Perry's "retirement" wasn't temporary and it was a chance phone call from Herbie that changed his mind. There's always a chance, but after Alien Project and vice Journey, I think his chances were slim to nihl.

Because the sad lesson in the music business seems to be that great talent doesn't necessarily get you anywhere.

[walkslikealady]

My My My is the better track.....

Don't know if it's better, but I like it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU0Ih4ACeDo

[stevew2]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

Great pic. Speaking from the perspective of someone that does portraits...you have beautiful eyes.

You must be having another hot flash

[Jubilee]

Well i guess he could have made it without journey. That man has one hell of a voice on him.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Not really. I think he'd have had decent success on any musical path.
You can't deny that voice.

While I obviously agree, who else besides our best friend HH would have taken him off of a turkey farm?

With that said, I seriously doubt that he would have relegated himself to stay on a turkey farm forever. With his love of music, he would have gravitated back into the fray. I think, anyway.

I think so too. With his gift and ambition, he wouldn't have stayed on a turkey ranch where he was miserable - he simply needed the money and time to heal. The quality of the Alien Project demos demonstrates just how talented SP was and what he was capable of creating with another band. It dispels the assumption that he could not have made it without Journey. He was incredibly lucky though to join a band with such talented musicians and one of the best managers in music. I believe some things are destined and Steve Perry joining Journey was one of them.

I disagree entirely. That Steve Perry was an incredibly talented vocalist does not mean that he would have made it without Journey. There are talented musicians all over the world who are ignored and fade into obscurity due to circumstances. And as far as I am aware, Perry's "retirement" wasn't temporary and it was a chance phone call from Herbie that changed his mind. There's always a chance, but after Alien Project and vice Journey, I think his chances were slim to nihl.

Because the sad lesson in the music business seems to be that great talent doesn't necessarily get you anywhere.

You have some good points there, Gideon. I have a slightly different take on some of these issues though. While I think we can all agree that in the music business great talent doesn't necessarily get you anywhere, the fact of the matter is in this instance there were two very talented entities - Perry and Journey. Perry's star was on the rise but for the untimely death of one of the members of Alien Project. Journey's star was on the verge of fading out due to declining record sales. At the intersection of all this stood Herbie Herbert. Without his efforts to bring these two talented, but floundering entities together we might have two separate, talented, but rather obscure acts.

I tend to think neither Perry nor Journey could have made it without each other. Neither was terribly successful prior to their union, and neither has been wildly successful since they parted ways. Without Perry there's no LTS or Lights. Without Perry, maybe Rolie stays with the band and there's no Jon Cain. Maybe "Open Arms" is still just a catchy little melody in Cains head, and sits gathering dust in a box full of other stuff in Cain's attic.

I suppose there are many variables here, but, it's hard to imagine what either Perry or Journey would have sounded like without the other.

[Shadowsong]

Well i guess he could have made it without journey. That man has one hell of a voice on him.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Not really. I think he'd have had decent success on any musical path.
You can't deny that voice.

While I obviously agree, who else besides our best friend HH would have taken him off of a turkey farm?

With that said, I seriously doubt that he would have relegated himself to stay on a turkey farm forever. With his love of music, he would have gravitated back into the fray. I think, anyway.

I think so too. With his gift and ambition, he wouldn't have stayed on a turkey ranch where he was miserable - he simply needed the money and time to heal. The quality of the Alien Project demos demonstrates just how talented SP was and what he was capable of creating with another band. It dispels the assumption that he could not have made it without Journey. He was incredibly lucky though to join a band with such talented musicians and one of the best managers in music. I believe some things are destined and Steve Perry joining Journey was one of them.

I disagree entirely. That Steve Perry was an incredibly talented vocalist does not mean that he would have made it without Journey. There are talented musicians all over the world who are ignored and fade into obscurity due to circumstances. And as far as I am aware, Perry's "retirement" wasn't temporary and it was a chance phone call from Herbie that changed his mind. There's always a chance, but after Alien Project and vice Journey, I think his chances were slim to nihl.

Because the sad lesson in the music business seems to be that great talent doesn't necessarily get you anywhere.

It is what it is
Perhaps it is what it was meant to be
Like the title says
Makes no difference.

Can't really know what could have been
if he had not answered the Journey call.

Can't really say that Steve was finished with the music biz.
Imagine having a band with the possibility of being signed.
Imagine making a great demo tape in the middle of 1977
only to have it derailed when the bassist dies on July 4th.

It would be alot to handle
It would in itself warrant some grieving & taking some time off for some soul searching & reconsider the direction of ones life.
I think he would have the right & resonsibility to himself to consider other possibilities.

I don't know when HH contacted Steve but it had to have been between July
& October of 77 when he was formally a part of Journey.
Now that is not enough time for anyone to say that in those few months Steve could even possibily permanently written off music
when he was still really in a disallusioned grieving state of mind.

Like the story says
Makes no difference
time has been written
as far as we know there is no going back.

It is what it is & it just reminds us that it takes just one person to change ones life.
HH & Steve may have had their differences but as far as music is concerned
Herbie was his angel/
He saw something in him & persisted to make it come true
or else many of us would not even be here reading this thread...

Everyone of us
no matter how small...(or in Herbie's case..."how big")
can make a difference....

[Jana]

Well i guess he could have made it without journey. That man has one hell of a voice on him.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Not really. I think he'd have had decent success on any musical path.
You can't deny that voice.

While I obviously agree, who else besides our best friend HH would have taken him off of a turkey farm?

With that said, I seriously doubt that he would have relegated himself to stay on a turkey farm forever. With his love of music, he would have gravitated back into the fray. I think, anyway.

I think so too. With his gift and ambition, he wouldn't have stayed on a turkey ranch where he was miserable - he simply needed the money and time to heal. The quality of the Alien Project demos demonstrates just how talented SP was and what he was capable of creating with another band. It dispels the assumption that he could not have made it without Journey. He was incredibly lucky though to join a band with such talented musicians and one of the best managers in music. I believe some things are destined and Steve Perry joining Journey was one of them.

I disagree entirely. That Steve Perry was an incredibly talented vocalist does not mean that he would have made it without Journey. There are talented musicians all over the world who are ignored and fade into obscurity due to circumstances. And as far as I am aware, Perry's "retirement" wasn't temporary and it was a chance phone call from Herbie that changed his mind. There's always a chance, but after Alien Project and vice Journey, I think his chances were slim to nihl.

Because the sad lesson in the music business seems to be that great talent doesn't necessarily get you anywhere.

It is what it is
Perhaps it is what it was meant to be
Like the title says
Makes no difference.

Can't really know what could have been
if he had not answered the Journey call.

Can't really say that Steve was finished with the music biz.
Imagine having a band with the possibility of being signed.
Imagine making a great demo tape in the middle of 1977
only to have it derailed when the bassist dies on July 4th.

It would be alot to handle
It would in itself warrant some grieving & taking some time off for some soul searching & reconsider the direction of ones life.
I think he would have the right & resonsibility to himself to consider other possibilities.

I don't know when HH contacted Steve but it had to have been between July
& October of 77 when he was formally a part of Journey.
Now that is not enough time for anyone to say that in those few months Steve could even possibily permanently written off music
when he was still really in a disallusioned grieving state of mind.

Like the story says
Makes no difference
time has been written
as far as we know there is no going back.

It is what it is & it just reminds us that it takes just one person to change ones life.
HH & Steve may have had their differences but as far as music is concerned
Herbie was his angel/
He saw something in him & persisted to make it come true
or else many of us would not even be here reading this thread...

Everyone of us
no matter how small
can make a difference....

Nice post.

What I will never get is Steve had persevered for so long and finally was going to get signed with the Alien Project band. When the bass player died, why wouldn't the rest of the band stay together and move forward, even if taking a brief break for a mourning period? Why break up the whole band?

[MrsPerry]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

I was going to say...lookie them f*ck me bedroom eyes!...very nice

[Rick]

My My My is the better track.....

STM, is that your puss in the pic?

Affirmative.....

I was going to say...lookie them f*ck me bedroom eyes!...very nice

[froy]

I had never heard this song before. Anyone know anything about it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h2MMgiP ... re=related

Good tune



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Now playing: Jeffrey Comanor - Last Song

[SherriBerry]

Well i guess he could have made it without journey. That man has one hell of a voice on him.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Not really. I think he'd have had decent success on any musical path.
You can't deny that voice.

While I obviously agree, who else besides our best friend HH would have taken him off of a turkey farm?

With that said, I seriously doubt that he would have relegated himself to stay on a turkey farm forever. With his love of music, he would have gravitated back into the fray. I think, anyway.

I think so too. With his gift and ambition, he wouldn't have stayed on a turkey ranch where he was miserable - he simply needed the money and time to heal. The quality of the Alien Project demos demonstrates just how talented SP was and what he was capable of creating with another band. It dispels the assumption that he could not have made it without Journey. He was incredibly lucky though to join a band with such talented musicians and one of the best managers in music. I believe some things are destined and Steve Perry joining Journey was one of them.

I disagree entirely. That Steve Perry was an incredibly talented vocalist does not mean that he would have made it without Journey. There are talented musicians all over the world who are ignored and fade into obscurity due to circumstances. And as far as I am aware, Perry's "retirement" wasn't temporary and it was a chance phone call from Herbie that changed his mind. There's always a chance, but after Alien Project and vice Journey, I think his chances were slim to nihl.

Because the sad lesson in the music business seems to be that great talent doesn't necessarily get you anywhere.

You did not quite get my point - I did not say that because of his talent he certainly would have made it, simply that with his talent Journey was not the only possibility in his future. As I said, some try to assert with certainty that without Journey he could not have made it, but there are too many variables and unknowns for anyone to be able to say who will make it and who will not.

SP said in the VH1 documentary that he spoke of quitting the music business when his friend died, but his mom encouraged him not to give up and that was before he got the phone call. Those of us who have lost friends or loved ones suddenly, such as in car accidents, can relate to the shock and the process that you go through when mourning. Not everyone is the same of course, but often you separate yourself for a time from the things that remind you of that person until you can heal and it doesn't hurt anymore - that does not mean you never go back if it's something you love. SP was working on a turkey ranch, not because he was permanently retired, but because he did not have a record deal and he needed the money - he had no income, had been on food stamps, and borrowed money from his parents that he needed to pay back. The only person who can say for certain whether or not Steve Perry would have given it another shot without the call from Herbie Herbert is Steve Perry. I hope one day Andrew gets a chance to interview him and asks him that question.

[Shadowsong]

First of all, the turkey farm gig was not permanent
I believe he went to work for his stepfather
who was in construction not a turkey farmer.
so at this time the job was building condo's for turkeys
where as Steve was said to wonder why build turkeys a house when they seemed too dumb as to not come out of the rain

LOL
Gobble gobble
Turkeys would not be forever.
I guess his step father took what ever jobs were needed & that time it was turkey accomodations
LOL

Steve did thank Herbie at the HWOF.
He knows he got his place in history because of the stubborn Mgr who thrust him upon Journey even when they were not sure his voice would take them where they wanted to go.
Good thing as his voice took them into infamy.

Trouble was when you put two strong willed men like Herbie together with Steve Perry there was bound to be some head butting...LOL

[Vladan]

You have some good points there, Gideon. I have a slightly different take on some of these issues though. While I think we can all agree that in the music business great talent doesn't necessarily get you anywhere, the fact of the matter is in this instance there were two very talented entities - Perry and Journey. Perry's star was on the rise but for the untimely death of one of the members of Alien Project. Journey's star was on the verge of fading out due to declining record sales. At the intersection of all this stood Herbie Herbert. Without his efforts to bring these two talented, but floundering entities together we might have two separate, talented, but rather obscure acts.

I tend to think neither Perry nor Journey could have made it without each other. Neither was terribly successful prior to their union, and neither has been wildly successful since they parted ways. Without Perry there's no LTS or Lights. Without Perry, maybe Rolie stays with the band and there's no Jon Cain. Maybe "Open Arms" is still just a catchy little melody in Cains head, and sits gathering dust in a box full of other stuff in Cain's attic.

I suppose there are many variables here, but, it's hard to imagine what either Perry or Journey would have sounded like without the other.

Yes, yes well said there. That to me, sounds the most plausible. Perry was going to make it either way, he was just there like a coiled up spring, just waiting for his time to come around.