Steve vs. Neal, Ross and Jon

[madsplash]

And yes, if that was SP's decision, it was his to make.

Pretty much says it all right there. You're saying that he had a right to decide to end Journey...a band that pre-dated him? I think the Journey gig was a mutually beneficial endeavor. An artist that had all but given up was coaxed into giving it one more try and he took a somewhat struggling band and provided the missing ingredient. The man's exit was simply void of class, unlike that of Gregg Rolie.

They were all holding on to his tux tails and grabbing all of the money and fame that HE brought them, and then later had the balls to complain about something that THEY wanted to happen.

I know. He could have ditched them long before he did and lit up the charts with albums like Against The Wall and For The Love Of Strange Medicine.

No, he could have recorded chart busters with Jan Hammer and Hardline.

Funny how you conveniently excluded the platinum Bad English debut which had 3 Top 40 hits including a #5 and a #1. I know that doesn't stack up well against Against The Wall or FTLOSM, though.

No, I dug Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Yep. Good post by madsplash though. I think he's figured out how to win this place over.

Disregard.

And to think I listened to you.

It's amazing how fast things change. Messageboards.

But Rick, I'll be devistated by you're change of heart. How can I go on?

[Peartree12249]

Guys, why does there always have to be a bad guy here? People live their lives and sometimes when they come together the heavens align just right, magic happens and they produce great music and then life and circumstances get in the way and it's over.

Can't we just thank them for their work, celebrate the music, wish everyone well and move on?

[Saint John]

Oh you're right, SJ is a MEGA loon. The guy LOVES I mean ADORES him from like, The Party's Over through Strung Out.
Odd part is unlike how I bow down at the Journey altar that is Raised On Radio produced by Steve Perry (if ever HeardOnTheStreet's oft-used bust that Schon/Cain was Perry's sideman was true it was here and I wouldn't give it back for anything) and Like a lot of FTLOSM and some of Journey's Trial By Fire all of which he hates

I don't dislike ROR. My problem is that the album was musically inferior, sappier, fucked with a proven successful formula and the band was now under the control of an out of control egomaniac. Some of the music on the tour was sung at the speed of light, and there were completely out of place Motown and Elvis songs. The band, mainly because of one man, had lost their way.

[artist4perry]

Guys, why does there always have to be a bad guy here? People live their lives and sometimes when they come together the heavens align just right, magic happens and they produce great music and then life and circumstances get in the way and it's over.

Can't we just thank them for their work, celebrate the music, wish everyone well and move on?

I Like you! Exactly my feelings on the subject!

[Red13JoePa]

Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Hm.
That before or after Journey went Platinum with Pineda, the least known of all their previous frontmen?

[Rick]

Guys, why does there always have to be a bad guy here? People live their lives and sometimes when they come together the heavens align just right, magic happens and they produce great music and then life and circumstances get in the way and it's over.

Can't we just thank them for their work, celebrate the music, wish everyone well and move on?

We certainly could, and in a perfect world we certainly would..... But where's the fun in that?

[madsplash]

And yes, if that was SP's decision, it was his to make.

Pretty much says it all right there. You're saying that he had a right to decide to end Journey...a band that pre-dated him? I think the Journey gig was a mutually beneficial endeavor. An artist that had all but given up was coaxed into giving it one more try and he took a somewhat struggling band and provided the missing ingredient. The man's exit was simply void of class, unlike that of Gregg Rolie.

They were all holding on to his tux tails and grabbing all of the money and fame that HE brought them, and then later had the balls to complain about something that THEY wanted to happen.

I know. He could have ditched them long before he did and lit up the charts with albums like Against The Wall and For The Love Of Strange Medicine.

No, he could have recorded chart busters with Jan Hammer and Hardline.

Funny how you conveniently excluded the platinum Bad English debut which had 3 Top 40 hits including a #5 and a #1. I know that doesn't stack up well against Against The Wall or FTLOSM, though.

No, I dug Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Disagree here. Bad English was good. Jon Waite had all of what one hit without his "sidemen" as you call them. But it was the music in the background and writing that made them good. Don't underestimate the talents of all members of the band over a mancrush over Perry. I love Perry and his music very much. But I can fairly say that all the members of Journey were talented in their own right, that was what made the band so great. 5 strong musicians.

But see, you're making my point for me. How many hits have Neal and Jon had without SP or JW? A big fat ZERO. Again, coat tail riders.
No mancrush, just the ability to see the truth.

[Jana]

Guys, why does there always have to be a bad guy here? People live their lives and sometimes when they come together the heavens align just right, magic happens and they produce great music and then life and circumstances get in the way and it's over.

Can't we just thank them for their work, celebrate the music, wish everyone well and move on?

I Like you! Exactly my feelings on the subject!

Well, that's a thought, but then it really wouldn't be MR, would it?

[madsplash]

Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Hm.
That before or after Journey went Platinum with Pineda, the least known of all their previous frontmen?

Platinum? You mean gold without the double disc set, right? And even if you think platinum, let them do it 75-80 more times over. Then we can talk about frontmen. hmm..

[artist4perry]

And yes, if that was SP's decision, it was his to make.

Pretty much says it all right there. You're saying that he had a right to decide to end Journey...a band that pre-dated him? I think the Journey gig was a mutually beneficial endeavor. An artist that had all but given up was coaxed into giving it one more try and he took a somewhat struggling band and provided the missing ingredient. The man's exit was simply void of class, unlike that of Gregg Rolie.

They were all holding on to his tux tails and grabbing all of the money and fame that HE brought them, and then later had the balls to complain about something that THEY wanted to happen.

I know. He could have ditched them long before he did and lit up the charts with albums like Against The Wall and For The Love Of Strange Medicine.

No, he could have recorded chart busters with Jan Hammer and Hardline.

Funny how you conveniently excluded the platinum Bad English debut which had 3 Top 40 hits including a #5 and a #1. I know that doesn't stack up well against Against The Wall or FTLOSM, though.

No, I dug Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Disagree here. Bad English was good. Jon Waite had all of what one hit without his "sidemen" as you call them. But it was the music in the background and writing that made them good. Don't underestimate the talents of all members of the band over a mancrush over Perry. I love Perry and his music very much. But I can fairly say that all the members of Journey were talented in their own right, that was what made the band so great. 5 strong musicians.

But see, you're making my point for me. How many hits have Neal and Jon had without SP or JW? A big fat ZERO. Again, coat tail riders.
No mancrush, just the ability to see the truth.

Wrong. Not making any point for you. If the band sucked so would the albums for SP and JW. JW is an inferior singer to SP anyway. Trust me a great lead singer needs a great band, a great band needs a strong lead singer. Perry needs great music to back his voice, just as they need a great voice to lead the music. It took both to make Journey great. And yes you have a mancrush.........denial, denial, denial. I sense the loon is with you young padewon.............

[Peartree12249]

Guys, why does there always have to be a bad guy here? People live their lives and sometimes when they come together the heavens align just right, magic happens and they produce great music and then life and circumstances get in the way and it's over.

Can't we just thank them for their work, celebrate the music, wish everyone well and move on?

I Like you! Exactly my feelings on the subject!

Well, that's a thought, but then it really wouldn't be MR, would it?

Thanks Jana

[artist4perry]

Guys, why does there always have to be a bad guy here? People live their lives and sometimes when they come together the heavens align just right, magic happens and they produce great music and then life and circumstances get in the way and it's over.

Can't we just thank them for their work, celebrate the music, wish everyone well and move on?

I Like you! Exactly my feelings on the subject!

Well, that's a thought, but then it really wouldn't be MR, would it?

Hey all thoughts are welcome here. It only cracks me up when people think there can only be their oppinion. I was just glad to see I am not alone on this thought!

[Jana]

And yes, if that was SP's decision, it was his to make.

Pretty much says it all right there. You're saying that he had a right to decide to end Journey...a band that pre-dated him? I think the Journey gig was a mutually beneficial endeavor. An artist that had all but given up was coaxed into giving it one more try and he took a somewhat struggling band and provided the missing ingredient. The man's exit was simply void of class, unlike that of Gregg Rolie.

They were all holding on to his tux tails and grabbing all of the money and fame that HE brought them, and then later had the balls to complain about something that THEY wanted to happen.

I know. He could have ditched them long before he did and lit up the charts with albums like Against The Wall and For The Love Of Strange Medicine.

No, he could have recorded chart busters with Jan Hammer and Hardline.

Funny how you conveniently excluded the platinum Bad English debut which had 3 Top 40 hits including a #5 and a #1. I know that doesn't stack up well against Against The Wall or FTLOSM, though.

No, I dug Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Disagree here. Bad English was good. Jon Waite had all of what one hit without his "sidemen" as you call them. But it was the music in the background and writing that made them good. Don't underestimate the talents of all members of the band over a mancrush over Perry. I love Perry and his music very much. But I can fairly say that all the members of Journey were talented in their own right, that was what made the band so great. 5 strong musicians.

But see, you're making my point for me. How many hits have Neal and Jon had without SP or JW? A big fat ZERO. Again, coat tail riders.
No mancrush, just the ability to see the truth.

They were part of the reason there was hits. They helped write the music. Steve Perry's solo career musicwise never compared to his music with Journey: Reason? Neal and Jonathan Cain, and Gregg Rolie in the writing process. FACT.



By the way, I'm annoying, but I'm not whiny.

Let's face it they're older now, harder to get music played on the radio. Even with Perry, at this stage of the game it would be hard.

[RocknRoll]

Guys, why does there always have to be a bad guy here? People live their lives and sometimes when they come together the heavens align just right, magic happens and they produce great music and then life and circumstances get in the way and it's over.

Can't we just thank them for their work, celebrate the music, wish everyone well and move on?

I Like you! Exactly my feelings on the subject!

Well, that's a thought, but then it really wouldn't be MR, would it?

Thanks Jana

WOW!! Voices of reason.

[Saint John]

How many hits have Neal and Jon had without SP or JW? A big fat ZERO.

They pick, and work with, great singers. Your argument, much like you, is assanine.

And for the record, Neal and Jon have always seemingly just wanted to write, record and tour. They've always been ok being "sidemen." Hell, this last tour they all came onstage and had it where Arnel came out last by himself in a grand sort of entrance. Minus the lipping issue they seem to have a pretty steady work habit, and just wanna do what they love. No long sob stories about "missing it," no coded messages about "physical" inabilities and no constant need to feel relevant by leaking decade long blurbs about writing and recording. Perry talks and the other guys produce. He's wasted the large part of 20+ years not touring with the group that he helped make great. Furthermore, he has shown no desire to talk to, communicate or make the fans of Journey any part of his life. And I understand that he doesn't owe anyone anything. Which is good because that's just about what he's had to offer over the last 2 decades.

[madsplash]

And yes, if that was SP's decision, it was his to make.

Pretty much says it all right there. You're saying that he had a right to decide to end Journey...a band that pre-dated him? I think the Journey gig was a mutually beneficial endeavor. An artist that had all but given up was coaxed into giving it one more try and he took a somewhat struggling band and provided the missing ingredient. The man's exit was simply void of class, unlike that of Gregg Rolie.

They were all holding on to his tux tails and grabbing all of the money and fame that HE brought them, and then later had the balls to complain about something that THEY wanted to happen.

I know. He could have ditched them long before he did and lit up the charts with albums like Against The Wall and For The Love Of Strange Medicine.

No, he could have recorded chart busters with Jan Hammer and Hardline.

Funny how you conveniently excluded the platinum Bad English debut which had 3 Top 40 hits including a #5 and a #1. I know that doesn't stack up well against Against The Wall or FTLOSM, though.

No, I dug Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Disagree here. Bad English was good. Jon Waite had all of what one hit without his "sidemen" as you call them. But it was the music in the background and writing that made them good. Don't underestimate the talents of all members of the band over a mancrush over Perry. I love Perry and his music very much. But I can fairly say that all the members of Journey were talented in their own right, that was what made the band so great. 5 strong musicians.

But see, you're making my point for me. How many hits have Neal and Jon had without SP or JW? A big fat ZERO. Again, coat tail riders.
No mancrush, just the ability to see the truth.

They were part of the reason there was hits. They helped write the music. Steve Perry's solo career musicwise never compared to his music with Journey: Reason? Neal and Jonathan Cain, and Gregg Rolie in the writing process. FACT.



By the way, I'm annoying, but I'm not whiny.

Let's face it they're older now, harder to get music played on the radio. Even with Perry, at this stage of the game it would be hard.

I agree, Jana.

[Jana]

And yes, if that was SP's decision, it was his to make.

Pretty much says it all right there. You're saying that he had a right to decide to end Journey...a band that pre-dated him? I think the Journey gig was a mutually beneficial endeavor. An artist that had all but given up was coaxed into giving it one more try and he took a somewhat struggling band and provided the missing ingredient. The man's exit was simply void of class, unlike that of Gregg Rolie.

They were all holding on to his tux tails and grabbing all of the money and fame that HE brought them, and then later had the balls to complain about something that THEY wanted to happen.

I know. He could have ditched them long before he did and lit up the charts with albums like Against The Wall and For The Love Of Strange Medicine.

No, he could have recorded chart busters with Jan Hammer and Hardline.

Funny how you conveniently excluded the platinum Bad English debut which had 3 Top 40 hits including a #5 and a #1. I know that doesn't stack up well against Against The Wall or FTLOSM, though.

No, I dug Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Disagree here. Bad English was good. Jon Waite had all of what one hit without his "sidemen" as you call them. But it was the music in the background and writing that made them good. Don't underestimate the talents of all members of the band over a mancrush over Perry. I love Perry and his music very much. But I can fairly say that all the members of Journey were talented in their own right, that was what made the band so great. 5 strong musicians.

But see, you're making my point for me. How many hits have Neal and Jon had without SP or JW? A big fat ZERO. Again, coat tail riders.
No mancrush, just the ability to see the truth.

Wrong. Not making any point for you. If the band sucked so would the albums for SP and JW. JW is an inferior singer to SP anyway. Trust me a great lead singer needs a great band, a great band needs a strong lead singer. Perry needs great music to back his voice, just as they need a great voice to lead the music. It took both to make Journey great. And yes you have a mancrush.........denial, denial, denial. I sense the loon is with you young padewon.............

Great post.

[Peartree12249]

Guys, why does there always have to be a bad guy here? People live their lives and sometimes when they come together the heavens align just right, magic happens and they produce great music and then life and circumstances get in the way and it's over.

Can't we just thank them for their work, celebrate the music, wish everyone well and move on?

I Like you! Exactly my feelings on the subject!

Well, that's a thought, but then it really wouldn't be MR, would it?

Thanks Jana

WOW!! Voices of reason.

Well I guess controversy real or imagined is what keeps this place going.

[madsplash]

How many hits have Neal and Jon had without SP or JW? A big fat ZERO.

They pick, and work with, great singers. Your argument, much like you, is assanine.

And your argument, much like you, is rambling, childish and just basically stupid. You're a joke, SJ. And if I ever see you, I'll tell you that right to your face. Big fat kiss................

[artist4perry]

And yes, if that was SP's decision, it was his to make.

Pretty much says it all right there. You're saying that he had a right to decide to end Journey...a band that pre-dated him? I think the Journey gig was a mutually beneficial endeavor. An artist that had all but given up was coaxed into giving it one more try and he took a somewhat struggling band and provided the missing ingredient. The man's exit was simply void of class, unlike that of Gregg Rolie.

They were all holding on to his tux tails and grabbing all of the money and fame that HE brought them, and then later had the balls to complain about something that THEY wanted to happen.

I know. He could have ditched them long before he did and lit up the charts with albums like Against The Wall and For The Love Of Strange Medicine.

No, he could have recorded chart busters with Jan Hammer and Hardline.

Funny how you conveniently excluded the platinum Bad English debut which had 3 Top 40 hits including a #5 and a #1. I know that doesn't stack up well against Against The Wall or FTLOSM, though.

No, I dug Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Disagree here. Bad English was good. Jon Waite had all of what one hit without his "sidemen" as you call them. But it was the music in the background and writing that made them good. Don't underestimate the talents of all members of the band over a mancrush over Perry. I love Perry and his music very much. But I can fairly say that all the members of Journey were talented in their own right, that was what made the band so great. 5 strong musicians.

But see, you're making my point for me. How many hits have Neal and Jon had without SP or JW? A big fat ZERO. Again, coat tail riders.
No mancrush, just the ability to see the truth.

Wrong. Not making any point for you. If the band sucked so would the albums for SP and JW. JW is an inferior singer to SP anyway. Trust me a great lead singer needs a great band, a great band needs a strong lead singer. Perry needs great music to back his voice, just as they need a great voice to lead the music. It took both to make Journey great. And yes you have a mancrush.........denial, denial, denial. I sense the loon is with you young padewon.............

Great post.

Thanks, it is going to storm here so I gotta get off and save my motherboard from b-b-que. And Madsplash...........You are a LOON........YOU are a LOON!............You ARE a LOON!

[Peartree12249]

Guys, why does there always have to be a bad guy here? People live their lives and sometimes when they come together the heavens align just right, magic happens and they produce great music and then life and circumstances get in the way and it's over.

Can't we just thank them for their work, celebrate the music, wish everyone well and move on?

I Like you! Exactly my feelings on the subject!

[madsplash]

And yes, if that was SP's decision, it was his to make.

Pretty much says it all right there. You're saying that he had a right to decide to end Journey...a band that pre-dated him? I think the Journey gig was a mutually beneficial endeavor. An artist that had all but given up was coaxed into giving it one more try and he took a somewhat struggling band and provided the missing ingredient. The man's exit was simply void of class, unlike that of Gregg Rolie.

They were all holding on to his tux tails and grabbing all of the money and fame that HE brought them, and then later had the balls to complain about something that THEY wanted to happen.

I know. He could have ditched them long before he did and lit up the charts with albums like Against The Wall and For The Love Of Strange Medicine.

No, he could have recorded chart busters with Jan Hammer and Hardline.

Funny how you conveniently excluded the platinum Bad English debut which had 3 Top 40 hits including a #5 and a #1. I know that doesn't stack up well against Against The Wall or FTLOSM, though.

No, I dug Bad English. Just another example of Neal and Jon riding the coat tails of a great singer/frontman, John Waite. It's cool for them to do that. They've gotten to be quite the professionals at it. They're talented SIDEMEN who need direction. It's cool.

Disagree here. Bad English was good. Jon Waite had all of what one hit without his "sidemen" as you call them. But it was the music in the background and writing that made them good. Don't underestimate the talents of all members of the band over a mancrush over Perry. I love Perry and his music very much. But I can fairly say that all the members of Journey were talented in their own right, that was what made the band so great. 5 strong musicians.

But see, you're making my point for me. How many hits have Neal and Jon had without SP or JW? A big fat ZERO. Again, coat tail riders.
No mancrush, just the ability to see the truth.

Wrong. Not making any point for you. If the band sucked so would the albums for SP and JW. JW is an inferior singer to SP anyway. Trust me a great lead singer needs a great band, a great band needs a strong lead singer. Perry needs great music to back his voice, just as they need a great voice to lead the music. It took both to make Journey great. And yes you have a mancrush.........denial, denial, denial. I sense the loon is with you young padewon.............

Great post.

Yea, mindblowingly brilliant. Loon this. I've got your loon. But I am a moon.

[T-Bone]