Well, I finally took a good listen to Journey w/Augeri...

[jestor92]

Who knows?
EVERY studio album by EVERYbody should be held to the same strict scrutiny standard then.
Yes, I have heard that to get the lead vocal on Faith In The Heartland to sound as good as it

Me, too. It doesn't really cross my mind much while listening to "Generations" but I'd also stay far away from saying it's Augeri's finest vocal performance.

OK, then I revert back to my initial remarks of the thread, sticklerCT, that Generations was Augeri's "finest studio hour" which I said b/c I knew sooner or later I'd be hit with "well in light of tapegate, it must've taken multiple takes and prolly digital editng and protools..."
When liner notes begin recording number of takes, then I may downgrade my review of Augeri on Generations.

I also think Generations was Augeri's best sounding record vocally. However, I think it was the weakest of the matierial they put out with Augeri as the vocalist. There are some good tracks, but to much filler for my tastes. Conversely, I think Revelations is an even weaker effort.

[stevew2]

Arivell was the best, his vocals were strong,the tunes were good,they spent alot of time in the studio,everythimg else was rushed and just thrown together,they blew it after Arrvial

[annie89509]

I agree with JoePa that Generations was SA's finest performance. I liked all the songs he got to sing on this record ...even Butterfly and Believe (which a lot of posters hated as songs). BTC is my favorite SA-sung ballad. I think JoePa mis-spoke about OOHW being on this record, though. And, I don’t know what KTYLM is. Weren’t they added on the US-released Arrival?

I may be in the minority, liking Generations over Arrival. Musical-chair lead-singer role notwithstanding, Arrival was too long and tedious (as has been the criticism of TBF). After the first 5 or 6 tracks, the songs started to sound the same (imo). My copy doesn’t have OOHW and the other rocker song, though. Would like to hear those 2 if someone would provide a link.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Augeri reliably throws down hard on every studio performance.
Ironically, the least of his vocals is probably his debut Journey bow with 'Arrival.'
As he openly admits, he was a little hoarse and it, "...gave me a little more grit, a little more gravel. Probably would have preferred to have been a little sweeter at times."

[jrnyman28]

whether yoiu like the material or not, Steve performed the shit out of it!

[stevew2]

waether yoiu like the material or not, Steve performed the shit out of it!

I liked most of what Steve A did with Journey,he did some good shit with Journey,he brought out so many new fans,and did it for 8 years straight,without a break, he is the only singer for Journey that did that.I respect him more than anyone else on the band, and always will

[SherriBerry]

Well, since it's Steve Augeri appreciation day, I just listened to Butterfly (While I was supposed to be working. Slipped on the headphones.). Really beautiful song and vocals. I'm listening to only ballads today, as I have my wrecked car being towed away to the body shop and the refrigerator is flooding my whole kitchen. So only soft music for my raging headache.

Sounds like somebody needs an appreciation thread. Where's Tito?

What happened Jana? I hope you're okay.

Oh, thanks. Hopefully, I will be. I was in a parking lot exit near an intersection. Two lanes of cars stopped waving me through so I could get in the opposite lane of travel. I pulled in front of them and there was no traffic coming the other way as I looked right, but, unfortunatley, a car that was coming up behind the stopped cars went around them to try to get up to a turn lane farther ahead. As he came around them I was easing out and he hit me pretty hard and my car went flying. And I get the ticket, failure to yield, even though he wasn't in a lane.

Can you fight the ticket? That's not fair when the other driver drove around stopped vehicles and wasn't in a lane - isn't that illegal passing or at least improper lane change? He should have considered that the cars were stopped for a reason. If he doesn't get part of the blame, isn't it your insurance that will have to pay for both vehicles? I'm glad you're okay. Around here there are a lot of big trucks and people who haven't enough sense to drive cautiously on winter roads - for my next vehicle I would like an armoured tank!

[Vladan]

Are they really strong vocals or were they pro-tooled and glued together in the studio from multiple upon multiple takes. I agree that the end result is very good but, considering the ensuing tour and the amount of vocal problems that Augeri had, I have no confidence that what we hear on "Generations" is really much more than studio wizardry.

Yeah good question. I reckon Steve Augeri is fine singer, but even listening to Revelation with Arnel, that album sounds like there was a fair bit of work, or a lot different studio wizardry going around. I've bought myself a nice pair of top of the range headphones, cost me an arm and leg, though I'll take a listen to Wheel In the Sky, and compare the vocals and mix to Don't Stop Believin', and Wheel In The Sky it sounds like there was a fair bit of tampering going on, as Arnel voice is making all sorts of strange echo sounds, his voice is bending, and just to be tricky I have the US and European release of Revelation, and no difference, same thing. Obviously it's not making a difference to the power and range of the mans voice, because he's not struggling at all, or straining - and in other songs, the mix is different, his voice will stand out more in some songs, while in others it wont as much or it will sound like he's singing in a large hall. Perry era, same thing surely, you listen to Escape, then Frontiers, totally different stuff going on there.

[stevew2]

Are they really strong vocals or were they pro-tooled and glued together in the studio from multiple upon multiple takes. I agree that the end result is very good but, considering the ensuing tour and the amount of vocal problems that Augeri had, I have no confidence that what we hear on "Generations" is really much more than studio wizardry.

Yeah good question. I reckon Steve Augeri is fine singer, but even listening to Revelation with Arnel, that album sounds like there was a fair bit of work, or a lot different studio wizardry going around. I've bought myself a nice pair of top of the range headphones, cost me an arm and leg, though I'll take a listen to Wheel In the Sky, and compare the vocals and mix to Don't Stop Believin', and Wheel In The Sky it sounds like there was a fair bit of tampering going on, as Arnel voice is making all sorts of strange echo sounds, his voice is bending, and just to be tricky I have the US and European release of Revelation, and no difference, same thing. Obviously it's not making a difference to the power and range of the mans voice, because he's not struggling at all, or straining - and in other songs, the mix is different, his voice will stand out more in some songs, while in others it wont as much or it will sound like he's singing in a large hall. Perry era, same thing surely, you listen to Escape, then Frontiers, totally different stuff going on there.

I can hear alot of tampering on the remakes,.I can clearly hear different parts being pasted in.they threw it together in 3 weeks,had to get to walmart.The dude can sing no doubt,the train must must keep rollin

[Ehwmatt]

Are they really strong vocals or were they pro-tooled and glued together in the studio from multiple upon multiple takes. I agree that the end result is very good but, considering the ensuing tour and the amount of vocal problems that Augeri had, I have no confidence that what we hear on "Generations" is really much more than studio wizardry.

Yeah good question. I reckon Steve Augeri is fine singer, but even listening to Revelation with Arnel, that album sounds like there was a fair bit of work, or a lot different studio wizardry going around. I've bought myself a nice pair of top of the range headphones, cost me an arm and leg, though I'll take a listen to Wheel In the Sky, and compare the vocals and mix to Don't Stop Believin', and Wheel In The Sky it sounds like there was a fair bit of tampering going on, as Arnel voice is making all sorts of strange echo sounds, his voice is bending, and just to be tricky I have the US and European release of Revelation, and no difference, same thing. Obviously it's not making a difference to the power and range of the mans voice, because he's not struggling at all, or straining - and in other songs, the mix is different, his voice will stand out more in some songs, while in others it wont as much or it will sound like he's singing in a large hall. Perry era, same thing surely, you listen to Escape, then Frontiers, totally different stuff going on there.

I can hear alot of tampering on the remakes,.I can clearly hear different parts being pasted in.they threw it together in 3 weeks,had to get to walmart.The dude can sing no doubt,the train must must keep rollin

I wouldn't know, I have only heard 1 or 2 of those remakes all the way through. How much time for vocal wizardy could they have had with an overall mix like that? LOL. So bad.

[stevew2]

Are they really strong vocals or were they pro-tooled and glued together in the studio from multiple upon multiple takes. I agree that the end result is very good but, considering the ensuing tour and the amount of vocal problems that Augeri had, I have no confidence that what we hear on "Generations" is really much more than studio wizardry.

Yeah good question. I reckon Steve Augeri is fine singer, but even listening to Revelation with Arnel, that album sounds like there was a fair bit of work, or a lot different studio wizardry going around. I've bought myself a nice pair of top of the range headphones, cost me an arm and leg, though I'll take a listen to Wheel In the Sky, and compare the vocals and mix to Don't Stop Believin', and Wheel In The Sky it sounds like there was a fair bit of tampering going on, as Arnel voice is making all sorts of strange echo sounds, his voice is bending, and just to be tricky I have the US and European release of Revelation, and no difference, same thing. Obviously it's not making a difference to the power and range of the mans voice, because he's not struggling at all, or straining - and in other songs, the mix is different, his voice will stand out more in some songs, while in others it wont as much or it will sound like he's singing in a large hall. Perry era, same thing surely, you listen to Escape, then Frontiers, totally different stuff going on there.

I can hear alot of tampering on the remakes,.I can clearly hear different parts being pasted in.they threw it together in 3 weeks,had to get to walmart.The dude can sing no doubt,the train must must keep rollin

I wouldn't know, I have only heard 1 or 2 of those remakes all the way through. How much time for vocal wizardy could they have had with an overall mix like that? LOL. So bad.

You ld be surprised how fast Journey can do "their magic' .Shit they did all kinds of "wizardry' at their concerts for two years and got away with it,they have hi tech people to help them, they aint that smart on there own

[jrnyman28]

Maybe the poor mix was used to help cover some of the 'cut & paste' ??

[Ehwmatt]

Maybe the poor mix was used to help cover some of the 'cut & paste' ??

Barely audible click tracks IN THE MIX (wow...), toy keyboard sounds, and shitty mastering won't hide studio trickery.

[stevew2]

Maybe the poor mix was used to help cover some of the 'cut & paste' ??

Barely audible click tracks IN THE MIX (wow...), toy keyboard sounds, and shitty mastering won't hide studio trickery.

The piano on Faithfully sounds like a casio