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Postby Lula » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:12 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The Fed let Lehman Brothers fail and it made things worse.


didn't AIG buy up the crap from lehman bros and now it's costing us triple or something? should've saved lehman, would've been cheaper. i say investigate! :lol: seriously.
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Postby Lula » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:13 pm

oh sorry.

frank, sorry to hear about your situation. i hope something comes along soon. scary times indeed.
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Postby strangegrey » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:14 pm

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strangegrey wrote:Fuck that Dan....I don't shed my morals and standards when I get angry or sad....I dont listen to shit that isn't music.
and Rap isn't music...it's shit.


lol...didn't say it was music; just said that it helps me! Besides, he's dead. That's gotta make you smile. :lol:


Yes!!

That does, actually! :) :) :)

Dead rapper!!! mmmmm


what a great thought!!!
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Postby Saint John » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:16 pm

strangegrey wrote:
Saint John wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Fuck that Dan....I don't shed my morals and standards when I get angry or sad....I dont listen to shit that isn't music.
and Rap isn't music...it's shit.


lol...didn't say it was music; just said that it helps me! Besides, he's dead. That's gotta make you smile. :lol:


Yes!!

That does, actually! :) :) :)

Dead rapper!!! mmmmm


what a great thought!!!


I bet if you walked back into the office with the same look on your face as the one in your avatar and said "I want my fucking job back" that they'd make you a VP. :lol: :P
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:19 pm

I am so sorry to hear this!!! :cry:
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Postby strangegrey » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:29 pm

Lula wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:The Fed let Lehman Brothers fail and it made things worse.


didn't AIG buy up the crap from lehman bros and now it's costing us triple or something? should've saved lehman, would've been cheaper. i say investigate! :lol: seriously.


Lula, while my training and chosen career will agree with the idea to 'investigate'.....I really do think that at this stage some companies need to be taken out back and shot.

There's no good in pouring money that no one has to spare, whether it be the government or the tax payers that support the government's intent....into companies that not only have beyond repair balance sheets, but mismanaged boards. I lump Citi, GM and AIG into that group.

will it send a dreadful ripple throughout the economic health of this country?

Absolutely....


but seriously, there's no way this country, it's sons and daughters, their sons and daughters...and our great grandchildren...will every be able to repay this kind of debt. It's dreadfully irresponsible for democrats to profess fiscal responsibility throughout the past 8 years in the guise of political ambition/hope....only to cast aside such feelings and allow the current standing president to deficit spend our country into oblivion.

Seriously...

there's debt clock here in NYC that's damn scary. Im sure you've seen it....it ticks up the national debt (not the budget deficit) at a scary rate....and it shows each family's share. which is also, quite scary. Well, during the clinton years, the democrat supporter who owns the clock, shut it down...as the clock was no longer ticking upward. During the Bush 43's years, he rightfully fired it back up.

The fact that Democrats are blindly supporting a president and a party that is doing the same exact damage that Bush 43 has done the past 8 years is shameful.....

....democrats are blinded by the falacy of Health Care, Energy and Education....the 3 calling cards of B. Hussein Obama during his state of the union show a few weeks ago. His claim is that it's going to fix the economy.....the problem is, is that the connections between the systemic problems in the economy and these three items, are tenuous and questionable, at best.

Democrats, if they are consistent with their ideals and their beliefs, should be just as angry with YoMama as they were with Bush, for both president's deficit spending.....yet I find it odd that democrats are willing to roast Bush (who I will be the first to burn at the stake) while absolve Obama for the same errors, done so with increasingly grave consequences. His actions over the past 2 months have had far more significant and reaching effects than anything bush has done to the economy. The deeper you get in this fiscal hole, the more damaging your misfires are......


We're in bad shape right now, and Obama needs to have his feet put to the fire.....not into bowling shoes....
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Postby strangegrey » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:31 pm

Saint John wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
Saint John wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Fuck that Dan....I don't shed my morals and standards when I get angry or sad....I dont listen to shit that isn't music.
and Rap isn't music...it's shit.


lol...didn't say it was music; just said that it helps me! Besides, he's dead. That's gotta make you smile. :lol:


Yes!!

That does, actually! :) :) :)

Dead rapper!!! mmmmm


what a great thought!!!

I bet if you walked back into the office with the same look on your face as the one in your avatar and said "I want my fucking job back" that they'd make you a VP. :lol: :P


Dude, *I*, the frank of 2009, would NOT work for a company who's VP looked like the freak currently inhabiting my avitar...but thanks for the kind words. You might be worth guzzling down some fine pyrat rum with, next time Andrew gets off his ass and kicks off a concert in some Chi town suberb....
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Postby Lula » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:36 pm

well said frank. first, i meant the feds should investigate or sec or someone.....

i'm pissed. i am not happy with the choices obama is making. he never should have given timmy the job of sec of treasury in the first place and should send him packing now. i voted for obama. i don't know what is to come, but he isn't scoring points with me and i'm sort of waiting.... hoping, but realizing our country is in so deep china will own our collective asses if they don't already :lol:

good luck to you.
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Postby Blueskies » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:44 pm

Lula wrote:well said frank. first, i meant the feds should investigate or sec or someone.....

i'm pissed. i am not happy with the choices obama is making. he never should have given timmy the job of sec of treasury in the first place and should send him packing now. i voted for obama. i don't know what is to come, but he isn't scoring points with me and i'm sort of waiting.... hoping, but realizing our country is in so deep china will own our collective asses if they don't already :lol:

good luck to you.
They already do! Mine was outsourced to Hong Kong already. I have to sit mid back now. :shock: :lol:


Just bringing some levity to the situation, Frank. Best of luck on your job hunt..I hope you find another soon. :wink:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:12 pm

strangegrey wrote:will it send a dreadful ripple throughout the economic health of this country?

Absolutely....


It's not that simple.
The financial markets are internationally intertwined.
What affects us, affects everyone.
Interestingly, Canada's banks, which kept FDR-type merging firewalls in place, are doing better than most.

strangegrey wrote:It's dreadfully irresponsible for democrats to profess fiscal responsibility throughout the past 8 years in the guise of political ambition/hope....only to cast aside such feelings and allow the current standing president to deficit spend our country into oblivion.


No, it's not.
If a Republican president was grappling with a depression, liberals would urge him to try Keynesian economics too.


strangegrey wrote:The fact that Democrats are blindly supporting a president and a party that is doing the same exact damage that Bush 43 has done the past 8 years is shameful.....


You fail to mention Bush came into office with a surplus.
A factual omission so big you could drive a fleet of semis through it.


strangegrey wrote:....democrats are blinded by the falacy of Health Care, Energy and Education....the 3 calling cards of B. Hussein Obama during his state of the union show a few weeks ago. His claim is that it's going to fix the economy.....the problem is, is that the connections between the systemic problems in the economy and these three items, are tenuous and questionable, at best.


Whereas more Reagan vodoo economics isn't "tenuous" or "questionable" at all.
It's been put to the test and thoroughly discredited.

strangegrey wrote:....Democrats, if they are consistent with their ideals and their beliefs, should be just as angry with YoMama as they were with Bush, for both president's deficit spending.....


Riiiight.
Just like we Democrats still hold a grudge over FDR blowing New Deal money on wasteful things like the Golden Gate Bridge and the Hoover Dam. :roll:
Bush's spending wasn't towards the public weal, and more importantly, he wasn't trying to jumpstart the economy.

strangegrey wrote:....yet I find it odd that democrats are willing to roast Bush (who I will be the first to burn at the stake) while absolve Obama for the same errors, done so with increasingly grave consequences.


No comparison, and given your level headed posts during the election, I suspect you know better.
I'd say you were comparing apples and oranges, but at least they share the common denominator of being fruit.
The two economic situations you're comparing couldn't be further apart.

strangegrey wrote:....His actions over the past 2 months have had far more significant and reaching effects than anything Bush has done to the economy. The deeper you get in this fiscal hole, the more damaging your misfires are......


What a hypocritical bastard.
On the one hand you condemn Clinton for the repeal of FDR banking measures like Glass-Steagall (which were deemed communist and radical in their day), and then you turn around and attack Obama for undertaking far, far, less drastic measures.
As you begin to collect unemployment this week, remember to thank that dirty commie FDR who made it possible.
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Postby PianoMan1986 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:13 pm

Ok, I'm going to blow both my feet off on this one...

I'll openly admit that I don't know shit about politics and have never really had an interest in them, as long as I can live day to day and not have my life ruled over by a tyrant. I'll also admit I'm just some 22-year-old college student.

To get to what I want to say...

Obviously, things suck right now and we were aware they were going downhill, as far as the "W's" of the situation -- I don't want to hear about it. The thing is, "Do you really think that anyone could be elected in office and undo everything in 24 hrs?" This shit takes time and it's something that has to be accepted whether you like it or not.

Now for those that seem to have all of the answers on what's going on, "Why the hell aren't you in office fixing all of these problems instead of posting on a forum with me bitching about it?"

As far as job loss goes, my mom got laid off from her second to last job and was out of work for 6 months, then her last job she was at for 3 months and has been laid off now for 4 -- yet she hasn't pissed and moaned about it and has actually taken initiative to network with everybody she knows just to keep her name out there for possible job opportunities -- just something to consider.

::accepts that he will now be obliterated::
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:17 pm

PianoMan1986 wrote:Ok, I'm going to blow both my feet off on this one...

I'll openly admit that I don't know shit about politics and have never really had an interest in them, as long as I can live day to day and not have my life ruled over by a tyrant. I'll also admit I'm just some 22-year-old college student.

To get to what I want to say...

Obviously, things suck right now and we were aware they were going downhill, as far as the "W's" of the situation -- I don't want to hear about it. The thing is, "Do you really think that anyone could be elected in office and undo everything in 24 hrs?" This shit takes time and it's something that has to be accepted whether you like it or not.

Now for those that seem to have all of the answers on what's going on, "Why the hell aren't you in office fixing all of these problems instead of posting on a forum with me bitching about it?"

As far as job loss goes, my mom got laid off from her second to last job and was out of work for 6 months, then her last job she was at for 3 months and has been laid off now for 4 -- yet she hasn't pissed and moaned about it and has actually taken initiative to network with everybody she knows just to keep her name out there for possible job opportunities -- just something to consider.

::accepts that he will now be obliterated::


You may not have a doctorate in economics, but you have old fashioned horse sense, son.
You're right on.
Obama cannot be expected to turn things around just yet. Nor should he be.
Anyone who claims otherwise is trying to be a contrarian jerkoff.
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Postby PianoMan1986 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:34 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
PianoMan1986 wrote:Ok, I'm going to blow both my feet off on this one...

I'll openly admit that I don't know shit about politics and have never really had an interest in them, as long as I can live day to day and not have my life ruled over by a tyrant. I'll also admit I'm just some 22-year-old college student.

To get to what I want to say...

Obviously, things suck right now and we were aware they were going downhill, as far as the "W's" of the situation -- I don't want to hear about it. The thing is, "Do you really think that anyone could be elected in office and undo everything in 24 hrs?" This shit takes time and it's something that has to be accepted whether you like it or not.

Now for those that seem to have all of the answers on what's going on, "Why the hell aren't you in office fixing all of these problems instead of posting on a forum with me bitching about it?"

As far as job loss goes, my mom got laid off from her second to last job and was out of work for 6 months, then her last job she was at for 3 months and has been laid off now for 4 -- yet she hasn't pissed and moaned about it and has actually taken initiative to network with everybody she knows just to keep her name out there for possible job opportunities -- just something to consider.

::accepts that he will now be obliterated::


You may not have a doctorate in economics, but you have old fashioned horse sense, son.
You're right on.
Obama cannot be expected to turn things around just yet. Nor should he be.
Anyone who claims otherwise is trying to be a contrarian jerkoff.


Thanks Noble 8)
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:51 pm

strangegrey wrote:
Saint John wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
Saint John wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Fuck that Dan....I don't shed my morals and standards when I get angry or sad....I dont listen to shit that isn't music.
and Rap isn't music...it's shit.


lol...didn't say it was music; just said that it helps me! Besides, he's dead. That's gotta make you smile. :lol:


Yes!!

That does, actually! :) :) :)

Dead rapper!!! mmmmm


what a great thought!!!

I bet if you walked back into the office with the same look on your face as the one in your avatar and said "I want my fucking job back" that they'd make you a VP. :lol: :P


Dude, *I*, the frank of 2009, would NOT work for a company who's VP looked like the freak currently inhabiting my avitar...but thanks for the kind words. You might be worth guzzling down some fine pyrat rum with, next time Andrew gets off his ass and kicks off a concert in some Chi town suberb....
Frank I am really sorry you lost you job man.You cant put all the blame on shit Bush,or on Barama. Them fuckin Wall Street bastards are your culprits
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Postby strangegrey » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:51 pm

Lula wrote:should send him packing now. i voted for obama. i don't know what is to come, but he isn't scoring points with me and i'm sort of waiting.... hoping, but realizing our country is in so deep china will own our collective asses if they don't already :lol:


Um, they already do. The chinese government holds a significant amount of our national debt...in part, because they want peg their juan against the dollar to keep their exports wed to our economy.
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Re: This economy blows...thanks Bush..Thanks Barrack...

Postby LazzMan » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:43 pm

Jana wrote:
PianoMan1986 wrote:
Voyager wrote:
strangegrey wrote:And for you fucks out there that are going to say Barrack Hussein YoMoma isn't responsible....go sit on a glass dildo and bend over.


No thanks. Take one for the team yourself.

Telling people who support Obama to take a dildo up their ass is not a way to get any sympathy for losing your job.

Obama is just trying to clean up Dumbya's mess. I hope he can do it.

Sorry to hear about your loss.


I AM sorry to hear about losing your job, but otherwise I agree with Voyager on this.


Sorry for your job loss, Frank, My brother-in-law just lost his. But I totally agree with Voyager.


How is spending money we won't have for another 20 years cleaning up "Dumbya's mess"? That's like saying that I've maxed out my credit cards, I'm 125% loan-to-value on my house, and I have two car payments that I can't afford. So, the answer is to get more credit cards. ??? That doesn't make any sense. We would have come out of this recession eventually, regardless of mortgaging our grandchildren's future.

To be "fair and balanced", for those of you who look to Keith Olbermann as the truth and the light when it comes to news, Obama and his band of idiots clearly are in way over their heads. Obama spent his campaign and the first two months of his presidency running the economy down by saying stuff like "it will likely get much worse before it gets better" and "we are confident that this stimulus package will work, we just don't know when and to what extent" and "crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis....". And Geihtner???? Please. Talk about someone who couldn't find his ass if he had a turd poking out of it. What a joke. The market has no confidence, zero, nada, nothing, zippo that Obama has the slightest clue what he is doing. Sure we have had two modest weeks in the Market but, those are just bargain-hunters. No one is dumping tons of money in right now.

Congress are a bunch of idiots too. Those fucking losers grilling Liddy the other day over the AIG situation. Fuck all of them hard, strong, and with a jagged object. Totally grandstanding so they can show their constituents how they "fought for them". Fuck that. THEY voted for the goddamn thing and then THEY have the balls to grill a guy who wasn't part of that problem. Liddy comes in, takes $1 for a salary, is trying to get AIG in order to sell off piece-by-piece so the government can get it's money back and these sanctimonious cocksuckers are taking HIM to task??? He is a lot more gracious than I would have been. I would have pulled out a dollar bill, put it on the table, told them to shove the whole thing up their asses and get their money back themselves.

Pelosi...nothing more to say.

Dodd....Ass-shining fuckwad.

The Bush administration was a big disappointment around the economy in many ways but, we can't keep blaming him for everything that's wrong in the world. It's snowing in March - Bush's fault. My family is sick with the flu - Bush's fault. Tim Geihtner didn't pay his taxes - Bush's fault. Earthquake kills 3000 people somewhere - Bush's fault. Enough with that stuff!!!! I know, I know. According to MSNBC, Bush ranks as the 4th worst president of all time and one of the worst world leaders of all time. We should form committees...investigate, indict, and prosecute Bush and his cronies for war crimes and crimes against humanity. On and on and on. We get it. Bad president. Bad, bad president. Also, conservatives are mean and, according to all of the "enlightened MSNBC throng, not at all intelligent. You know what Olbermann says...if Republicans had any brains they'd be Democrats. With any luck, as Olbermann says, Republicans will be diminished to a third or fourth political party in the very near future and we will have the center-left and far-left as the two major governing bodies in the country. All of the stupid people (republicans) will be left alone to cling to their "guns and religion" while the "enlightened masses" make peace here at home and in the world.

I think Frank's point is that we, as a country, are fucked and everyone has a hand in this mess. It didn't start with either Bush or Obama but, neither of them have done anything to help. In fact, Obama is so caught up with getting his own agenda in place that he is almost becoming a characature. Come hell or high water he is going to implement wealth redistribution...regardless of the consequences...because that's what he believes is right.

Good luck to him but, may God help the rest of us.
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Postby Lula » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:23 am

strangegrey wrote:
Lula wrote:should send him packing now. i voted for obama. i don't know what is to come, but he isn't scoring points with me and i'm sort of waiting.... hoping, but realizing our country is in so deep china will own our collective asses if they don't already :lol:


Um, they already do. The chinese government holds a significant amount of our national debt...in part, because they want peg their juan against the dollar to keep their exports wed to our economy.


i know they do. they made bush's invasion/occupation of iraq dream a reality. the last 8 years have been a fucking nightmare.
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Postby Eric » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:25 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote: You fail to mention Bush came into office with a surplus.
A factual omission so big you could drive a fleet of semis through it.


And a recession, burst internet bubble and a strong Al Queda on the verge of attacking inside our country.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:15 am

Why is it so hard for people to understand that Obama's first step is to try to get us just back on our knees. Not even three months in and people are catching themselves on fire, when we all KNEW that its going to take sacrifice and YEARS before we start to see a DRASTIC change. Obama said time and time again, don't think I'm going to change the world in my first day in office. It's going to take TIME.

I'm jobless myself, and there is NOTHING.. absolutely NOTHING, out there that I'd like to take a chance on for future en devours. There is only pocket money jobs, and when the dust clears, unfortunately, that's what it's going to have to be for awhile. So be it. I know people who lose their jobs everyday, but this is what it must be for us to take on a different measure. I know it sucks, but we have no choice.

Good luck to everyone whose lost their jobs and have the strength to stick it out and wait.
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Re: This economy blows...thanks Bush..Thanks Barrack...

Postby 7 Wishes » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:40 am

strangegrey wrote:That useless piece of draggon fly sucking shit has done twice the damage in his 2 months as douchbagger in chief as Bush tried to accomplish over the past year. Fuck em both!!!


Wrong, wrong, and wrong. He's not a Muslim, but he is black. He has already addressed more critical issues in 60 days than W. did in 8 years (1020 days of which were spent on vacation, I might add).
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:49 am

Eric wrote:And a recession, burst internet bubble and a strong Al Queda on the verge of attacking inside our country.


So, your contact has told you this, then?
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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Re: This economy blows...thanks Bush..Thanks Barrack...

Postby Red13JoePa » Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:57 am

strangegrey wrote: It was clear I was temp help from the beginning and that they just didn't tell me.


Ah, been there.
Fun stuff, makes you want to smash somebody in the face. Don't lie, just advertise it as temp.
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Re: This economy blows...thanks Bush..Thanks Barrack...

Postby LazzMan » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:30 am

7 Wishes wrote:
strangegrey wrote:That useless piece of draggon fly sucking shit has done twice the damage in his 2 months as douchbagger in chief as Bush tried to accomplish over the past year. Fuck em both!!!


Wrong, wrong, and wrong. He's not a Muslim, but he is black. He has already addressed more critical issues in 60 days than W. did in 8 years (1020 days of which were spent on vacation, I might add).


Such as? Not sticking up for Bush but, be specific. You will likely say stem cell research. OK, there is a debate on that one that we don't need to get into. Guantanimo?? Well, it's not closed yet and, we'll see how that plan plays out. "Don't ask, don't tell"...he wants to repeal it but, not yet and not a critical issue. Proposition 8? He's against re-defining marriage and won't touch Prop 8 for anything in the world. Reaching out to Iraq? That turned out to be a joke. Giving Gordon Brown a box of DVD's in an attempt to maintain one of our strongest allies...not inviting him to the traditional streak dinner...snubbing him when he got to the White House? Not so much there. Sending Hillary to insult the Russian Prime Minister by mis-spelling the verbiage on his gift? Hmmm.

I would suggest that the economy is the most critical issue right now and, so far, I would say that he's not grading out well at all to this point.

So, Bush did, indeed, have a number of fuck-ups over the past 8 years but, it's left-wing Kool-Aid to suggest that he was on vacation and that Obama is addressing all of the "critical issues". Let's not anoint him "Best President Ever" just yet because we're all still feeling good about the first black man elected to the office. Let's judge him on his competence in the office and not his color, I.Q., or speaking skills.
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Postby Behshad » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Why is it so hard for people to understand that Obama's first step is to try to get us just back on our knees. Not even three months in and people are catching themselves on fire, when we all KNEW that its going to take sacrifice and YEARS before we start to see a DRASTIC change. Obama said time and time again, don't think I'm going to change the world in my first day in office. It's going to take TIME.

I'm jobless myself, and there is NOTHING.. absolutely NOTHING, out there that I'd like to take a chance on for future en devours. There is only pocket money jobs, and when the dust clears, unfortunately, that's what it's going to have to be for awhile. So be it. I know people who lose their jobs everyday, but this is what it must be for us to take on a different measure. I know it sucks, but we have no choice.

Good luck to everyone whose lost their jobs and have the strength to stick it out and wait.


Well said , bro.
Amazing that a young person like you can fathem more about politics and optimism than most "oldies" around here. If half the people your age would have the same outlook and intelligence, then I'd see a bright future ahead of us.Good for you.

Frank ,
Sorry about your job. You're entitled to your runt given the circumstances. Expecting Obama to change everything in 2 months is a bit far fetched.Specially since I know you're a smart guy.
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Postby Jana » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:11 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Why is it so hard for people to understand that Obama's first step is to try to get us just back on our knees. Not even three months in and people are catching themselves on fire, when we all KNEW that its going to take sacrifice and YEARS before we start to see a DRASTIC change. Obama said time and time again, don't think I'm going to change the world in my first day in office. It's going to take TIME.

I'm jobless myself, and there is NOTHING.. absolutely NOTHING, out there that I'd like to take a chance on for future en devours. There is only pocket money jobs, and when the dust clears, unfortunately, that's what it's going to have to be for awhile. So be it. I know people who lose their jobs everyday, but this is what it must be for us to take on a different measure. I know it sucks, but we have no choice.

Good luck to everyone whose lost their jobs and have the strength to stick it out and wait.


Well said , bro.
Amazing that a young person like you can fathem more about politics and optimism than most "oldies" around here. If half the people your age would have the same outlook and intelligence, then I'd see a bright future ahead of us.Good for you.

Frank ,
Sorry about your job. You're entitled to your runt given the circumstances. Expecting Obama to change everything in 2 months is a bit far fetched.Specially since I know you're a smart guy.


Agreed. My brother-in-law is a down-the-line, diehard Republican and he just lost his job and it's so horrible for the family, but he doesn't blame what's happened to him on Obama in office the last few months or thinking he could have turned this house of cards around so quickly.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:29 am

LazzMan wrote:How is spending money we won't have for another 20 years cleaning up "Dumbya's mess"? That's like saying that I've maxed out my credit cards, I'm 125% loan-to-value on my house, and I have two car payments that I can't afford. So, the answer is to get more credit cards. ??? That doesn't make any sense.

Democrats are not the party of supply-siders.
Why that should come as a surprise to anyone is beyond me.
Obama is engaging in Keynesian economics. In other words, large-scale deficit spending.
Right now, people are saving, not spending, and the government is going to pick up the slack with public investment.
As the phrase goes, spending is stimulus.

LazzMan wrote:We would have come out of this recession eventually, regardless of mortgaging our grandchildren's future.


Err, thanks Herbert.

LazzMan wrote:To be "fair and balanced", for those of you who look to Keith Olbermann as the truth and the light when it comes to news...


So name some Olbermann lies.
It’s funny how Maddow, or Olbermann can do whole shows debunking right wing shinola point-by-point, yet when O’Reilly launches a liberal media missive it’s always left in the fuzzy abstract.
Why is that?
Even the website devoted to calling his factual bluff, http://www.olbermannwatch.com/ has little to nil.

LazzMan wrote:Obama spent his campaign and the first two months of his presidency running the economy down by saying stuff like "it will likely get much worse before it gets better" and "we are confident that this stimulus package will work, we just don't know when and to what extent" and "crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis....".


Wow.
So you mean to say it wasn’t an impenetrable maze of toxic derivatives, credit-default swaps, and fraudulently rated securities that were at fault, but, in fact, just campaign rhetoric?
When Mittens runs in 2012 would he be so kind to magically talk the economy back up?
Maybe if he flaps his gums long enough Frank will get a job. :roll:

LazzMan wrote:And Geihtner???? Please. Talk about someone who couldn't find his ass if he had a turd poking out of it. What a joke. The market has no confidence, zero, nada, nothing, zippo that Obama has the slightest clue what he is doing. Sure we have had two modest weeks in the Market but, those are just bargain-hunters. No one is dumping tons of money in right now.


Here’s a clue...
ANY reform of the financial sector, ipso facto, will cause the Dow Jones to take a tumble.
Reform on its face is anathema to the financial sector.
Obama will just have to hang tough and to crib a phrase, welcome their hatred.
If he’s lucky, there won’t be an attempted coup like there was on FDR.

Besides, McCain’s treasury pick, Phil Graham, is the very man who wrote the legislation that removed banking firewalls, deregulated derivatives, and tipped the dominoes over in the first place.

LazzMan wrote:Congress are a bunch of idiots too. Those fucking losers grilling Liddy the other day over the AIG situation. Fuck all of them hard, strong, and with a jagged object. Totally grandstanding so they can show their constituents how they "fought for them". Fuck that.


I watched the AIG hearing.
Nobody maliciously grilled anyone (tho that certainly hasn’t stopped the right wing chorus line from lying about it).

LazzMan wrote:Dodd....Ass-shining fuckwad.


While Dodd's provision to limit executive compensation may have rewarded AIG execs, your team was against capping bonuses from the word go.
Now the party of Tom Delay can't wait to hop in front of a news van, tuck their thumbs under their suspenders, and wax populist like the second coming of Huey Long.
We know what you are.

LazzMan wrote:The Bush administration was a big disappointment around the economy in many ways but, we can't keep blaming him for everything that's wrong in the world. It's snowing in March - Bush's fault. My family is sick with the flu - Bush's fault. Tim Geihtner didn't pay his taxes - Bush's fault. Earthquake kills 3000 people somewhere - Bush's fault. Enough with that stuff!!!!


But a recession that started in March 2001 (as verified by National Bureau of Economic Research) is somehow all Clinton’s fault.
Gee, funny how that works...

LazzMan wrote:I know, I know. According to MSNBC, Bush ranks as the 4th worst president of all time and one of the worst world leaders of all time.


Link?

LazzMan wrote:We should form committees...investigate, indict, and prosecute Bush and his cronies for war crimes and crimes against humanity. On and on and on. We get it. Bad president. Bad, bad president.


Do you believe in the rule of law or not?
It's that simple.
I thought you guys said Clinton was impeached NOT over some plus-sized dome, but perjury.
Now suddenly, breaking the law has become a technicality.
Don't look now, Lazz, but I think your armband is slipping.

LazzMan wrote:Also, conservatives are mean and, according to all of the "enlightened MSNBC throng, not at all intelligent. You know what Olbermann says...if Republicans had any brains they'd be Democrats.


Actually, it was Anne Coulter whose latest screed was entitled “If Democrats had any brains they’d be Republicans.”
If you have a link to Olbermann (or any MSNBC anchor, for that matter) saying this, I’d be interested in seeing it.
True to form, everything in this post so far has been unsubstantiated bullshit.

LazzMan wrote:With any luck, as Olbermann says, Republicans will be diminished to a third or fourth political party in the very near future and we will have the center-left and far-left as the two major governing bodies in the country. All of the stupid people (republicans) will be left alone to cling to their "guns and religion" while the "enlightened masses" make peace here at home and in the world.


Link?

LazzMan wrote: In fact, Obama is so caught up with getting his own agenda in place that he is almost becoming a caricature.


Yea, maybe he should take some time off and go clear brush. :roll:

LazzMan wrote:Come hell or high water he is going to implement wealth redistribution...regardless of the consequences...because that's what he believes is right.


Distributing wealth is nothing new.
That’s what our progressive tax policy, in effect, DOES.

LazzMan wrote: Good luck to him but, may God help the rest of us.


Yea, raising the top tax rate back to Clinton-era levels.
Oooo how positively pants shitting. :roll:
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Re: This economy blows...thanks Bush..Thanks Barrack...

Postby Classicrockr » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:39 am

Voyager wrote:
strangegrey wrote:And for you fucks out there that are going to say Barrack Hussein YoMoma isn't responsible....go sit on a glass dildo and bend over.


No thanks. Take one for the team yourself.

Telling people who support Obama to take a dildo up their ass is not a way to get any sympathy for losing your job.

Obama is just trying to clean up Dumbya's mess. I hope he can do it.

Sorry to hear about your loss.


Let's try to grow up just a little bit - telling people to do these things just shows you taking your anger out on them. THEY didn't do it to you. How valuable have you made yourself in the marketplace during your life? I believe Obama can ultimately clean up this mess. I personally believe the money we've spent in Iraq has contributed greatly to our current situation - Afghanistan bled Russia practically dry!

As a 19 year (going for 30) Navy veteran, I don't blame Obama at all - this mess was created over the last few years & Obama wasn't in office then....

No personal insult meant to you, but don't take it out on people here....
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Re: This economy blows...thanks Bush..Thanks Barrack...

Postby strangegrey » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:06 pm

7 Wishes wrote:
strangegrey wrote:That useless piece of draggon fly sucking shit has done twice the damage in his 2 months as douchbagger in chief as Bush tried to accomplish over the past year. Fuck em both!!!


Wrong, wrong, and wrong. He's not a Muslim, but he is black. He has already addressed more critical issues in 60 days than W. did in 8 years (1020 days of which were spent on vacation, I might add).


Um, What exactly did I say that made you think I was addressing either his race OR his religion?

because nothing in that quote or anything else I said was at all racial or religious in intent or interpretation....

I find him to be a reprehensible human being, irrespective of what he is.

...something tells me the racial issue is yours! :roll:
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Re: This economy blows...thanks Bush..Thanks Barrack...

Postby Deb » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:17 pm

strangegrey wrote: It was clear I was temp help from the beginning and that they just didn't tell me.


You worked for Journey?! :lol: :P

Sorry about your job loss Frank. I hope things look up for you soon. Damn economy, job losses all over here in Canada too. :(
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Re: This economy blows...thanks Bush..Thanks Barrack...

Postby 7 Wishes » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:35 pm

strangegrey wrote:I find him to be a reprehensible human being, irrespective of what he is.
...something tells me the racial issue is yours! :roll:


Precisely what has he done to engender your scorn? The era of convenient omissions, cronyism, and preemptive warmongering is, thankfully, over. The train wreck that is the patently failed fiscal policy of "trickle down" can be permanently retired to the annals of history alongside the Clean Skies Act, the Healthy Forests Initiative, and the Every Child Left Behind Act.

Take off your shit-kickers and sit down on your La-Z-Boy, Frank. We're going to be here a while, so all your griping and false accusations count for naught - especially since they lack the critical element of truth. The Republicans have been putting their filthy mitts all over our Liberty since 1994; the working class has been violated more than Courtney Love in a mosh pit at the Citadel.

And your cowardly hit-and-run pin-the-tail-on-the-Democrat parlor game is nothing more than an affirmation of your inability to qualify and validate your principles.
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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