President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[hoagiepete]

Crisis? what Crisis?

That is hilarious. I may have nightmares tonight though.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yep this is "How to create Tyranny in four easy steps"

1. Create a Crisis
2. Scare the Shit out of everybod
3. Solve the crisis with big govermment.
4.Ensure the solution is a permamant fixture.

Obamas following the playbook perfectly and knows exactly what he is doing.

Uhh, it was not Barack Obama who forced Paulson and Bernake to hold an emergency meeting with Bush and told him we were facing a global meltdown.
Do you assholes even read the news?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well hells bells...I told you so...

The Obama administration will ask Congress to give the Treasury secretary unprecedented powers to initiate the seizure of non-bank financial companies, such as large insurers, investment firms and hedge funds, whose collapse would damage the broader economy, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said this morning.

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner is set to argue for the new powers at a hearing today on Capitol Hill about the furor over bonuses paid to executives at American International Group, which the government has propped up with about $180 billion in federal aid. Administration officials have said that the proposed authority would have allowed them to seize AIG last fall and wind down its operations at less cost to taxpayers.

The government at present has the authority to seize only banks.

Geithner will testify alongside Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke at a hearing before the House Financial Services Committee that begins at 10 a.m. Although the stated focus of the hearing is the controversial bonus payments AIG awarded its employees after receiving the government bailout, Geithner will try to advance the argument that the government needs more tools in its arsenal in order to right the nation's economic ship. ad_icon

"We need resolution authority to go in and be able to change contracts, be able to change the business model, unwind what doesn't work," Gibbs said on CNN in one of several morning television interviews aimed at promoting the administration proposal. " . . . This is the exact type of authority that will allow us to deal with the problems in AIG . . . that will address the systemic risk without having to put [a failing firm] in bankruptcy."

It's about time Obama implemented some actual reform.
The current issue of RollingStone reveals that the European Union was bitching about the state of our investment banks as early as 2004.
Paulson and Co. promised to regulate.
They lied.

[Deacon]

Uhh, it was not Barack Obama who forced Paulson and Bernake to hold an emergency meeting with Bush and told him we were facing a global meltdown.
Do you assholes even read the news?

No, but it is President Obama that is still spending as though it is a global disaster/meltdown.

[Since 78]

Crisis? what Crisis?

That about sums it up I think! Carry on!

[The_Noble_Cause]

wall street is look up thanks to Obama bitches

Dow down 75 point at the open.....and....

Whaddyaknow?
The uptick corresponds with Geithner laying out his toxic assets plan that is a boon to Wall Street, and leaves taxpayers holding the bag (again).
Boy, Obama sure is leaving no ass unkicked in his all-out "war on commerce."

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, but it is President Obama that is still spending as though it is a global disaster/meltdown.

That's because it is.
Anyone yet to reach that conclusion has no business being in the political thread.

[Deacon]

That's because it is.
Anyone yet to reach that conclusion has no business being in the political thread.

Then is he not practicing the very steps that had been listed that you demonized with a Bush reference?

[The_Noble_Cause]

The only time you've given Stu props is when he agrees or sort of agrees with you.

The reason me, 7, Deano, and Stu occasionally see eye to eye has nothing to do with political ideology.
It's because Stu still inhabits the astral plane known as reality.

Anyone who intellectually and honestly vehemently disagrees with you is automatically swathed with one of your catchy little, and typically homoerotic, epithets.

You mean like the time you said Bush's tax cuts led to record revenues?
Or when you said McCain meant the average blue collar grease monkey when referencing the "fundamentals of the economy"?
Or when you posted a video clip stating that the fascist communist-killing Nazis were all granola munching lefties?
Yeah, uhh, those were neither intellectual nor honest.
And it goes on and on...
I don't hold a monopoly on truth.
Should you and Barb say something that didn't originate from the cavernous bowels of Limbaugh's cyctic ass, I'll be the first one to give due props.
Who knows, in an age where Alan Greenspan is doing cheerleading handsprings in favor of nationalization, anything's possible.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Then is he not practicing the very steps that had been listed that you demonized with a Bush reference?

I didn't demonize Bush.
This is an economic maelstrom of tempest proportions.
Did Congress do what Congress always does, and shoehorn pet earmarks into legislation?
Sure.
But to say Obama "created the crisis", or that somehow, by giving engineers jobs he will "create tyranny" is beneath stupid.

[The_Noble_Cause]

His hero is a big fat zero and everyone is starting to notice.

Right.
A “big fat zero” juggling two wars, a depression, and in his down time, even tackling the political third rail of healthcare.
By this same time during Bush’s term, the only thing accomplished was boot spur marks on the oval office desk.
That, and Cheney had settled on either fuchsia or chartreuse for the walls of his undisclosed apocalypse bunker.

Why don’t you just come out and say it Barb: You hope Obama (and by extension, this country) fails.
It’s soo obvious the radical Right would rather watch this nation burn to the ground than cede an inch of political power.

I will say this; if Barack Obama leaves this country in as bad a shape as the last guy, I will at least have the baseline decency to own up to mistakes and respectfully support the new guy. Much in the classy way Stu’s been towards Obama.

[7 Wishes]

Right.
A “big fat zero” juggling two wars, a depression, and in his down time, even tackling the political third rail of healthcare.
By this same time during Bush’s term, the only thing accomplished was boot spur marks on the oval office desk.
That, and Cheney had settled on either fuchsia or chartreuse for the walls of his undisclosed apocalypse bunker.

This is, without question, the most brilliantly funny retort in the decade-long reign of this forum.

Why TNC has not written a book - that subsequently became a best-seller - is one of the great mysteries...

[jrnychick]

His hero is a big fat zero and everyone is starting to notice.

Right.
A “big fat zero” juggling two wars, a depression, and in his down time, even tackling the political third rail of healthcare.
By this same time during Bush’s term, the only thing accomplished was boot spur marks on the oval office desk.
That, and Cheney had settled on either fuchsia or chartreuse for the walls of his undisclosed apocalypse bunker.

Why don’t you just come out and say it Barb: You hope Obama (and by extension, this country) fails.
It’s soo obvious the radical Right would rather watch this nation burn to the ground than cede an inch of political power.

I will say this; if Barack Obama leaves this country in as bad a shape as the last guy, I will at least have the baseline decency to own up to mistakes and respectfully support the new guy. Much in the classy way Stu’s been towards Obama.

I agree with you that Obama has come out of his corner swinging. I admire him for his work ethic and tenacity. I don't happen to agree with a lot of his agenda, so I'm hoping that 90% of the things he wants to do don't make it out of Congress. I don't think that Obama not being able to push through his agenda will mean that the country will fail. In the long term (10+ years down the road), I believe that many of the things he wants to do will be damaging to the country. I would rather feel the pain of the recession now and be better off in 10 years.

[Barb]

His hero is a big fat zero and everyone is starting to notice.

Right.
A “big fat zero” juggling two wars, a depression, and in his down time, even tackling the political third rail of healthcare.
By this same time during Bush’s term, the only thing accomplished was boot spur marks on the oval office desk.
That, and Cheney had settled on either fuchsia or chartreuse for the walls of his undisclosed apocalypse bunker.

Why don’t you just come out and say it Barb: You hope Obama (and by extension, this country) fails.
It’s soo obvious the radical Right would rather watch this nation burn to the ground than cede an inch of political power.

I will say this; if Barack Obama leaves this country in as bad a shape as the last guy, I will at least have the baseline decency to own up to mistakes and respectfully support the new guy. Much in the classy way Stu’s been towards Obama.

It's not a matter of wanting him to fail, TNC. I am a conservative. By definition, that means I disagree with his ideas on how to fix this mess. If by some miracle, spending trillions and going bankrupt makes America strong and the people prosper again, I will give him full credit. I just don't see it happening. He strikes me as a guy who is in way over his head.

Here's a column in the Canadian Free Press wondering why the American people seem to be silently sitting by and watching their country be destroyed.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9607

TNC, you can rant and defend this administration all you want, but there is no way I will ever believe that THIS is the kind of change the American people wanted.

[Deacon]

I didn't demonize Bush.
This is an economic maelstrom of tempest proportions.
Did Congress do what Congress always does, and shoehorn pet earmarks into legislation?
Sure.
But to say Obama "created the crisis", or that somehow, by giving engineers jobs he will "create tyranny" is beneath stupid.

Lol. Of course he didn't create the crisis, but neither did Bush. Obama is following the last three steps, though. [Bush did, too.]

[7 Wishes]

Here's a column in the Canadian Free Press wondering why the American people seem to be silently sitting by and watching their country be destroyed.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9607

Way to emerge unsullied after quoting what is obviously an unbiased source.

"A Conservative Free Press," reads the top of the page, in bold-faced letters.

Anyway, now that we've cleared that hurdle,

But capitalism is public enemy #1 in America today, thanks to decades of class warfare and the art of division via social envy, all for purpose of political gain.

What does it feel like to be so deluded that you actually believe statements like these? Remarkable. Please name a way in which the current Administration is "corrupt". We barely survived eight years of the worst Domestic, International, and Fiscal policy the nation has ever seen...let alone the pandering, lies, and illegality.

[Barb]

Here's a column in the Canadian Free Press wondering why the American people seem to be silently sitting by and watching their country be destroyed.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9607

Way to emerge unsullied after quoting what is obviously an unbiased source.

"A Conservative Free Press," reads the top of the page, in bold-faced letters.

Anyway, now that we've cleared that hurdle,

But capitalism is public enemy #1 in America today, thanks to decades of class warfare and the art of division via social envy, all for purpose of political gain.

What does it feel like to be so deluded that you actually believe statements like these? Remarkable. Please name a way in which the current Administration is "corrupt". We barely survived eight years of the worst Domestic, International, and Fiscal policy the nation has ever seen...let alone the pandering, lies, and illegality.

I didn't think I needed to specify whether or not it was an unbiased source. I thought the word "column" (generally meaning an OPINION PIECE) and the content of it made it pretty obvious it was coming from the conservative point of view. See, that's what you and TNC refuse to accept -- there ARE different viewpoints.

[walkslikealady]

Don't know if President Obama will be a good or bad president...I'll give him a year or two to make a decision.

I will be eating better next month 'cause of him though and I thank him for that.

[7 Wishes]

See, that's what you and TNC refuse to accept -- there ARE different viewpoints.

Coming from the Voice of Reason herself, that's quite a statement.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's not a matter of wanting him to fail, TNC. I am a conservative. By definition, that means I disagree with his ideas on how to fix this mess.

As an American, by definition, you should put the well being of your country before party affiliation.
And before you argue that Obama's ideas will only harm America, what of the billions in tax cuts he included to sweeten the deal for aisle opposites like you?

If by some miracle, spending trillions and going bankrupt makes America strong and the people prosper again, I will give him full credit. I just don't see it happening.

Maybe he could raise taxes like Reagan and Bush Sr. did to close the deficit?
Oh wait, we're not allowed to talk about that...

Here's a column in the Canadian Free Press wondering why the American people seem to be silently sitting by and watching their country be destroyed.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9607

Great.
Another demagogical editorial.
Got any ideas or solutions of your own?

[Barb]

It's not a matter of wanting him to fail, TNC. I am a conservative. By definition, that means I disagree with his ideas on how to fix this mess.

As an American, by definition, you should put the well being of your country before party affiliation.
And before you argue that Obama's ideas will only harm America, what of the billions in tax cuts he included to sweeten the deal for aisle opposites like you?

If by some miracle, spending trillions and going bankrupt makes America strong and the people prosper again, I will give him full credit. I just don't see it happening.

Maybe he could raise taxes like Reagan and Bush Sr. did to close the deficit?
Oh wait, we're not allowed to talk about that...

Here's a column in the Canadian Free Press wondering why the American people seem to be silently sitting by and watching their country be destroyed.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9607

Great.
Another demagogical editorial.
Got any ideas or solutions of your own?

1. I don't think Obama's plans ARE good for this country, thus the reason for my opposition.
2. There will be no tax cut received in my household, but can't wait for the increase when the Bush tax cuts expire and when his lovely cap & trade program begins. Sweet times ahead!
3. Obama doesn't give a rats ass about the deficit, thus the reason he is quadrupling it.
4. Posting an opinion piece for others to read doesn't mean I don't have my own thoughts.
5. How supportive of George W. Bush's policies were you? Because a lot of us thought his ideas were good for the country and you and others like you, did not. That's how it works. If I thought Obama was doing right by this country, I would say so. I had hoped he wouldn't be as radical as some predicted, but unfortunately, he is worse -- MUCH WORSE!

[The_Noble_Cause]

1. I don't think Obama's plans ARE good for this country, thus the reason for my opposition.

He has met you halfway and offered business tax cuts, and even tied his political fortunes to the consequence of his policies.
Saying: “I’m not going to make any excuse…If stuff hasn’t worked, if people don’t feel like I’ve led the country in the right direction then you’ll have a new president.”
Where are you going to find a better deal than that?
Compare that to George W. Bush, who laid blame for his own failed executive decisions at the feet of everyone besides himself.
From the CIA being at fault for Saddam’s lack of WMDS, to letting our men in uniform take the rap for Rumsfeld-sanctioned torture policies, just to name a few.

2. Obama doesn't give a rats ass about the deficit, thus the reason he is quadrupling it.

More ad hominem slime.
Rather than attack the man’s personal character, why not admit he has no choice but to deficit spend to invigorate the economy.
You can’t cut spending in a recession.
We’re in a recession because there’s no spending.
Besides, how big was the federal deficit during WW2?
We seemed to come out of that one ok.

I'd argue that by factoring war costs into the budget, Obama is taking steps to be more fiscally responsible than his predecessor.

3. Posting an opinion piece for others to read doesn't mean I don't have my own thoughts.

Then provide some.
All I’ve seen so far is knee-jerk character sniping.

4. How supportive of George W. Bush's policies were you? Because a lot of us thought his ideas were good for the country and you and others like you, did not. That's how it works. If I thought Obama was doing right by this country, I would say so.

If you can find me tearing down President Bush less than 60 days into his administration, I’d love to see it.
Furthermore, Bush didn’t enter office facing the apocalyptic world stakes Obama does now.
Did anyone wish Bush ill after 9-11?
This is not a game.

I had hoped he wouldn't be as radical as some predicted, but unfortunately, he is worse -- MUCH WORSE!

As mentioned ad nauseum, Obama's tepid response to the banking crisis put him to the RIGHT of laissez faire zombie, Alan Greenspan.
So what’s been radical?
Closing GITMO? - a plan endorsed by the hawkish likes of Robert Gates, Condi Rice, Colin Powell and others?
Building infratstructure, so our kids inheirt a better world as FDR left us with the Golden Gate Bridge, the Lincoln Tunnel etc?

This is what I’m talking about, all you offer is shitsmearing underpinned by intellectual blankness.

[Barb]

This is what I’m talking about, all you offer is shitsmearing underpinned by intellectual blankness.

I can't believe YOU of ALL PEOPLE have the balls to say this to ANYONE else.

[RossValoryRocks]

I believe we've been edited.

Good. It was a bit outta line.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I can't believe YOU of ALL PEOPLE have the balls to say this to ANYONE else.

Barb,

Thank you for confirming what, up until now, I only feared to be the case.
Your political depths run as shallow as your “anything with a dick” checkbox approach to getting your crotch piledrived.
However, I must admit, the novelty carnival sign in front of your bed which reads, “you must be THIS hung to ride my saggy embittered ass” is pretty nifty.
Whenever did Spencers start selling those?
Speaking of which, would you mind telling me what exactly is Conservative about treating your velvety custard hole like some suped up Jack Lalanne juice machine?

Thanks

[Jubilee]

I believe we've been edited.

Good. It was a bit outta line.

Somebody's randy....

...Sombody's playing with fire...

[RossValoryRocks]

I can't believe YOU of ALL PEOPLE have the balls to say this to ANYONE else.

Barb,

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Thanks

Why are you trying to get tossed??? It makes no sense dude.

[Don]

I believe we've been edited.

Good. It was a bit outta line.

Somebody's randy....

...Sombody's playing with fire...

Some Doxycycline will take of that.

[Barb]

I can't believe YOU of ALL PEOPLE have the balls to say this to ANYONE else.

Barb,

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Thanks

You are such a classy guy, TNC. You are the epitomy of a dickless liberal man. I hope we meet face to face someday.

[Moose]

This thread is fun!