Journey Looking Forward: Best Case Scenario

[bluejeangirl76]

Absolutely love Just The Same Way and Someday Soon.

Both are absolute aural sex. *sigh*


What were we talking about?

[Gideon]

St John needs to get a smartphone so he can post at work. Having to wait hours for his scathing rebuttals kills the momentum of the thread. Also why are the Kentucky Bobsy twins absent from this conversation? They should have been here already telling us why Journey is going to set the world on fire this upcoming tour.

I was wondering about that myself. Maybe a certain nocturnal marsupial put one or both of them on some sort of "double secret probation". Still..

What is that supposed to mean?

Anyways, I think Journey will do excellent this year. I can't say as to what sort of crowd they'll draw per show, but quality of performances, will be nothing short of mesmerizing, I'm sure.

[Don]

St John needs to get a smartphone so he can post at work. Having to wait hours for his scathing rebuttals kills the momentum of the thread. Also why are the Kentucky Bobsy twins absent from this conversation? They should have been here already telling us why Journey is going to set the world on fire this upcoming tour.

I was wondering about that myself. Maybe a certain nocturnal marsupial put one or both of them on some sort of "double secret probation". Still..

What is that supposed to mean?

Anyways, I think Journey will do excellent this year. I can't say as to what sort of crowd they'll draw per show, but quality of performances, will be nothing short of mesmerizing, I'm sure.

If it was all about quality, Journey would be on top of the world. They are pretty flawless in their execution when performing live.

[Deb]

Absolutely love Just The Same Way and Someday Soon.

Both are absolute aural sex. *sigh*


What were we talking about?

Loooooove that smiley!

[Gideon]

but Journey was so huge here before, do they try to recapture past glory or just concentrate on new markets instead?

They've already hit on a new market thanks only to Arnel so they might as well stick with it while they can. They can't recapture what they had in the 80s, especially in the US, so they may as well stick with what is working now, if they want to make any kind of bank.

Exactly. Why keep trying to crack the nut of a fickle US audience, when they can just mop up the gravy of a clamoring Asian market? On the other hand, by capitalizing on Arnel, don''t they also run the risk of being at the mercy of the cult-like following of their lead singer once again? Heaven forbid something happen to Arnel -- they'd be back to square one.

No, they'd be at square zero. I consider myself one of the more understanding fans of this band, recognizing the talents of the whole rather than sucking the cock of narcissistic control-freak, but Arnel really is the last straw. I don't think I'd care to hear them if they lost another singer. Not just because Arnel's a nice guy, but because a credible band can have only so many voices before the whole thing becomes a tragedy.

[Gideon]

St John needs to get a smartphone so he can post at work. Having to wait hours for his scathing rebuttals kills the momentum of the thread. Also why are the Kentucky Bobsy twins absent from this conversation? They should have been here already telling us why Journey is going to set the world on fire this upcoming tour.

I was wondering about that myself. Maybe a certain nocturnal marsupial put one or both of them on some sort of "double secret probation". Still..

What is that supposed to mean?

Anyways, I think Journey will do excellent this year. I can't say as to what sort of crowd they'll draw per show, but quality of performances, will be nothing short of mesmerizing, I'm sure.

If it was all about quality, Journey would be on top of the world. They are pretty flawless in their execution when performing live.

Alas, quality means shit in this world. Hence why JSS remains tragically ignored, among other things. Hell, Perry himself hasn't reached household name status like Freddie Mercury. Which is retarded because he's easily in Mercury's league.

[bluejeangirl76]

but Journey was so huge here before, do they try to recapture past glory or just concentrate on new markets instead?

They've already hit on a new market thanks only to Arnel so they might as well stick with it while they can. They can't recapture what they had in the 80s, especially in the US, so they may as well stick with what is working now, if they want to make any kind of bank.

Exactly. Why keep trying to crack the nut of a fickle US audience, when they can just mop up the gravy of a clamoring Asian market? On the other hand, by capitalizing on Arnel, don''t they also run the risk of being at the mercy of the cult-like following of their lead singer once again? Heaven forbid something happen to Arnel -- they'd be back to square one.

No, they'd be at square zero. I consider myself one of the more understanding fans of this band, recognizing the talents of the whole rather than sucking the cock of narcissistic control-freak, but Arnel really is the last straw. I don't think I'd care to hear them if they lost another singer. Not just because Arnel's a nice guy, but because a credible band can have only so many voices before the whole thing becomes a tragedy.

And they passed that milestone a good two years ago. *yawn* Not to take anything from Arnel... good singer, good guy, it seems... I still think he got into bed with sharks. And trampling the catalog the way Neal and Jon have allowed (meaning the retreads, not meaning Arnel) was the nail in the coffin as far as this band losing credibility and becoming a train wreck.

[Deb]

St John needs to get a smartphone so he can post at work. Having to wait hours for his scathing rebuttals kills the momentum of the thread. Also why are the Kentucky Bobsy twins absent from this conversation? They should have been here already telling us why Journey is going to set the world on fire this upcoming tour.

I was wondering about that myself. Maybe a certain nocturnal marsupial put one or both of them on some sort of "double secret probation". Still..

What is that supposed to mean?

Anyways, I think Journey will do excellent this year. I can't say as to what sort of crowd they'll draw per show, but quality of performances, will be nothing short of mesmerizing, I'm sure.

If it was all about quality, Journey would be on top of the world. They are pretty flawless in their execution when performing live.

Alas, quality means shit in this world. Hence why JSS remains tragically ignored, among other things. Hell, Perry himself hasn't reached household name status like Freddie Mercury. Which is retarded because he's easily in Mercury's league.

All depends which household you be talkin about?! And totally agree with every word of your post.

[Gideon]

And they passed that milestone a good two years ago. *yawn*

By removing Soto?

I'll chalk that up to an impulsive decision and they paid for it with the backlash and the scrutiny. As a newfound fan of Soto's solo career, I still stand by my belief that he wasn't the right choice to become a permenant lead singer.

Not to take anything from Arnel... good singer, good guy, it seems...

An understatement.

I still think he got into bed with sharks.

These sharks have been domesticated. Like I said, I truly believe if they fuck up this shot, they're done. The casual fan notices more than the die hards give him or her credit for, and they'll get tired of hearing singer after singer after singer.

And trampling the catalog the way Neal and Jon have allowed (meaning the retreads, not meaning Arnel) was the nail in the coffin as far as this band losing credibility and becoming a train wreck.

Disagree completely on this.

[Gideon]

St John needs to get a smartphone so he can post at work. Having to wait hours for his scathing rebuttals kills the momentum of the thread. Also why are the Kentucky Bobsy twins absent from this conversation? They should have been here already telling us why Journey is going to set the world on fire this upcoming tour.

I was wondering about that myself. Maybe a certain nocturnal marsupial put one or both of them on some sort of "double secret probation". Still..

What is that supposed to mean?

Anyways, I think Journey will do excellent this year. I can't say as to what sort of crowd they'll draw per show, but quality of performances, will be nothing short of mesmerizing, I'm sure.

If it was all about quality, Journey would be on top of the world. They are pretty flawless in their execution when performing live.

Alas, quality means shit in this world. Hence why JSS remains tragically ignored, among other things. Hell, Perry himself hasn't reached household name status like Freddie Mercury. Which is retarded because he's easily in Mercury's league.

All depends which household you be talkin about?! And totally agree with every word of your post.

If you ask your average teenager who Freddie Mercury was, most of them would probably say "the fag with the nice voice who sang with Queen." If you asked them who Steve Perry was, they'd give you a blank expression.

[bluejeangirl76]

And they passed that milestone a good two years ago. *yawn*

By removing Soto?

By removing Augeri and Soto and in the manners that they were both removed.

[Gideon]

By removing Augeri and Soto and in the manners that they were both removed.

You know, I never paused to consider how Augeri was dismissed. Arguably worse, since he had eight years or so with the band.

[brywool]

The best case scenario is that everyone remembers that it's no longer 1983 and LETS the band move on. Journey is still a great band to hear and see live. If people don't go, it's their loss because this version is firing on all cylinders.

I was waiting for you to say something to balance out the thread a little bit, Good show old man.

Been lurkin'. Too many of the same kinds of posts. This one though... gee, let's move on peeps...
'OLD MAN'???? Dang....

Where is your zest for debate?

had a performance review. Been in a bad mood ever since.

[Don]

The best case scenario is that everyone remembers that it's no longer 1983 and LETS the band move on. Journey is still a great band to hear and see live. If people don't go, it's their loss because this version is firing on all cylinders.

I was waiting for you to say something to balance out the thread a little bit, Good show old man.

Been lurkin'. Too many of the same kinds of posts. This one though... gee, let's move on peeps...
'OLD MAN'???? Dang....

Where is your zest for debate?

had a performance review. Been in a bad mood ever since.

Stupid question but are you talking about work or music?

[slucero]

I'm kinda wondering how long AP's voice is gonna last....

Perry had 7 steady years...(78-85 really) after which he was intermittently in the band then finally done. Perry even alluded to the "vocal node" reason in one of his recent interviews.

SA had 8 years.. and fried his voice.

AP's had a little more than a year?


AP is a fantastic find... but the real test will be how his voice holds out after a couple years of heavy touring.


The one posters reference to the singer having total control is incredibly ironic... cause in the case of AP, especiallyl in Asia... HE'S the drawing card... and eventually he'll start flexing his will as he (and his management) flex their muscles... Neals gonna get a buttload of karma on this one... and Deja Vu....

[Gideon]

I'm kinda wondering how long AP's voice is gonna last....

Perry had 7 steady years...(78-85 really) after which he was intermittently in the band then finally done. Perry even alluded to the "vocal node" reason in one of his recent interviews.

SA had 8 years.. and fried his voice.

AP's had a little more than a year?


AP is a fantastic find... but the real test will be how his voice holds out after a couple years of heavy touring.


The one posters reference to the singer having total control is incredibly ironic... cause in the case of AP, especiallyl in Asia... HE'S the drawing card... and eventually he'll start flexing his will as he (and his management) flex their muscles... NEals gonna get a buttload of karma on this one... and Deja Vu....

Saint John had a theory, but it may be the fact that Arnel is simply more susceptible to infections and illness because he may not have been immunized as a child. That's plausible and completely logical. But as the concerts thus far have shown, when he's feeling great, he doesn't falter or fail to deliver on the goods.

[brywool]

I'm kinda wondering how long AP's voice is gonna last....

The difference is, Arnel's been singing to support his family since he was a kid. The guy knows what to do and what not to do with his voice. He will be fine.

[brywool]

The best case scenario is that everyone remembers that it's no longer 1983 and LETS the band move on. Journey is still a great band to hear and see live. If people don't go, it's their loss because this version is firing on all cylinders.

I was waiting for you to say something to balance out the thread a little bit, Good show old man.

Been lurkin'. Too many of the same kinds of posts. This one though... gee, let's move on peeps...
'OLD MAN'???? Dang....

Where is your zest for debate?

had a performance review. Been in a bad mood ever since.

Stupid question but are you talking about work or music?

Work. My music isn't really open to review. It's just cover stuff and then my few originals and I'm not that into if anybody else likes that stuff or not. T'would be nice old man, but not imperitive. I know my limits.

[Don]

The best case scenario is that everyone remembers that it's no longer 1983 and LETS the band move on. Journey is still a great band to hear and see live. If people don't go, it's their loss because this version is firing on all cylinders.

I was waiting for you to say something to balance out the thread a little bit, Good show old man.

Been lurkin'. Too many of the same kinds of posts. This one though... gee, let's move on peeps...
'OLD MAN'???? Dang....

Where is your zest for debate?

had a performance review. Been in a bad mood ever since.

Stupid question but are you talking about work or music?

Work. My music isn't really open to review. It's just cover stuff and then my few originals and I'm not that into if anybody else likes that stuff or not. T'would be nice old man, but not imperitive. I know my limits.

I didn't get a performance review but I did get a 30 percent decrease in pay . I guess it's better than being unemployed.

[Jana]

I'm kinda wondering how long AP's voice is gonna last....

Perry had 7 steady years...(78-85 really) after which he was intermittently in the band then finally done. Perry even alluded to the "vocal node" reason in one of his recent interviews.

SA had 8 years.. and fried his voice.

AP's had a little more than a year?


AP is a fantastic find... but the real test will be how his voice holds out after a couple years of heavy touring.


The one posters reference to the singer having total control is incredibly ironic... cause in the case of AP, especiallyl in Asia... HE'S the drawing card... and eventually he'll start flexing his will as he (and his management) flex their muscles... Neals gonna get a buttload of karma on this one... and Deja Vu....

Wrong. Arnel looks up to Neal and will never forget what he did for him, taking such a chance on him no matter what others were saying.

[brywool]

The best case scenario is that everyone remembers that it's no longer 1983 and LETS the band move on. Journey is still a great band to hear and see live. If people don't go, it's their loss because this version is firing on all cylinders.

I was waiting for you to say something to balance out the thread a little bit, Good show old man.

Been lurkin'. Too many of the same kinds of posts. This one though... gee, let's move on peeps...
'OLD MAN'???? Dang....

Where is your zest for debate?

had a performance review. Been in a bad mood ever since.

Stupid question but are you talking about work or music?

Work. My music isn't really open to review. It's just cover stuff and then my few originals and I'm not that into if anybody else likes that stuff or not. T'would be nice old man, but not imperitive. I know my limits.

I didn't get a performance review but I did get a 30 percent decrease in pay . I guess it's better than being unemployed.

wow, that sucks GB, sorry to hear that. It is better, yes. I guess I'm half waiting for that other shoe to drop.

[Don]

I'm kinda wondering how long AP's voice is gonna last....

Perry had 7 steady years...(78-85 really) after which he was intermittently in the band then finally done. Perry even alluded to the "vocal node" reason in one of his recent interviews.

SA had 8 years.. and fried his voice.

AP's had a little more than a year?


AP is a fantastic find... but the real test will be how his voice holds out after a couple years of heavy touring.


The one posters reference to the singer having total control is incredibly ironic... cause in the case of AP, especiallyl in Asia... HE'S the drawing card... and eventually he'll start flexing his will as he (and his management) flex their muscles... Neals gonna get a buttload of karma on this one... and Deja Vu....

Wrong. Arnel looks up to Neal and will never forget what he did for him, taking such a chance on him no matter what others were saying.

You know what, Arnel is human just like everyone else. Once he gets comfortable, he will do what is best for him. I don't care what he says publicly or in the shoutbox, no one knows what is going on inside his head except himself.

[Don]

The best case scenario is that everyone remembers that it's no longer 1983 and LETS the band move on. Journey is still a great band to hear and see live. If people don't go, it's their loss because this version is firing on all cylinders.

I was waiting for you to say something to balance out the thread a little bit, Good show old man.

Been lurkin'. Too many of the same kinds of posts. This one though... gee, let's move on peeps...
'OLD MAN'???? Dang....

Where is your zest for debate?

had a performance review. Been in a bad mood ever since.

Stupid question but are you talking about work or music?

Work. My music isn't really open to review. It's just cover stuff and then my few originals and I'm not that into if anybody else likes that stuff or not. T'would be nice old man, but not imperitive. I know my limits.

I didn't get a performance review but I did get a 30 percent decrease in pay . I guess it's better than being unemployed.

wow, that sucks GB, sorry to hear that. It is better, yes. I guess I'm half waiting for that other shoe to drop.

We waited too long. Instead of bleeding off employees as time went by, we held out and ended up having to cut half our workforce in one fell swoop two weeks ago.

A bright side to all this is that my son is working more hours at Bestbuy as business is picking up. Unfortunately for my company, we gambled on weathering the storm and got wrecked just when the clouds were starting to part.

[marco17]

Wrong. Arnel looks up to Neal and will never forget what he did for him, taking such a chance on him no matter what others were saying.

True, and I think that is one of the reasons SA didn't stand up more for himself over the years when he started having some issues. Steve understood the chance they took on him, being an unknown for the most part. Also, to a point made in a previous post... SA sounded good and the band was firing on all cylinders for a while during his tenure, like they seem to be with Arnel now. What happens after the 3 yr mark, which people have talked about with Arnel's work visa, and the long term impact singing this catalog will have on Arnel will determine where the band goes. They are still taking advantage of whatever attention they can get from Revelation, even though it has pretty much died down in the States, and I don't see them rushing to record anything soon. Even when Augeri was capable, they didn't rush recording new material, and I doubt that was because Jon and Neal didn't have songs around to through an album together. I think they are much more about being a touring band, playing the old hits, and catering to those fans than a band that wants to spend a lot of time in studio trying to be noticed with new material. Just my 2 cents as a more average Journey fan looking at the big picture.

[Don]

Wrong. Arnel looks up to Neal and will never forget what he did for him, taking such a chance on him no matter what others were saying.

True, and I think that is one of the reasons SA didn't stand up more for himself over the years when he started having some issues. Steve understood the chance they took on him, being an unknown for the most part. Also, to a point made in a previous post... SA sounded good and the band was firing on all cylinders for a while during his tenure, like they seem to be with Arnel now. What happens after the 3 yr mark, which people have talked about with Arnel's work visa, and the long term impact singing this catalog will have on Arnel will determine where the band goes. They are still taking advantage of whatever attention they can get from Revelation, even though it has pretty much died down in the States, and I don't see them rushing to record anything soon. Even when Augeri was capable, they didn't rush recording new material, and I doubt that was because Jon and Neal didn't have songs around to through an album together. I think they are much more about being a touring band, playing the old hits, and catering to those fans than a band that wants to spend a lot of time in studio trying to be noticed with new material. Just my 2 cents as a more average Journey fan looking at the big picture.

My thoughts on the matter. There will be no new legacy, they will continue on as they have. Another album or two at the most. When they tour, they will rely on the dirty dozen as they always have and be a solid summer act like they have been the last 5 or 6 years. The bottom line is money and they will have no problem in that department.

[slucero]

I'm kinda wondering how long AP's voice is gonna last....

Perry had 7 steady years...(78-85 really) after which he was intermittently in the band then finally done. Perry even alluded to the "vocal node" reason in one of his recent interviews.

SA had 8 years.. and fried his voice.

AP's had a little more than a year?


AP is a fantastic find... but the real test will be how his voice holds out after a couple years of heavy touring.


The one posters reference to the singer having total control is incredibly ironic... cause in the case of AP, especiallyl in Asia... HE'S the drawing card... and eventually he'll start flexing his will as he (and his management) flex their muscles... Neals gonna get a buttload of karma on this one... and Deja Vu....

Wrong. Arnel looks up to Neal and will never forget what he did for him, taking such a chance on him no matter what others were saying.

...kinda like how Herbie took a chance on another tenor eh?

[steveo777]

Speculation aside, I am going to enjoy what we have, while it lasts. I'm a realist who knows that, bless his famous soul, SP, even if he could return would be hard pressed to maintain the legacy sound at his age. That's just a fact that comes with age, and yeah, I know this has already been debated into the ground. Arnel is what we have and we could have gotten worse....a lot worse. There was a time when I could call people...now everyone wants to text. Time to move on, except for when I get a chance to play those precious vintage Journey CD's and slip into my memory of the old age gigs.

As far as I'm concerned, Journey sounds great today and I'm gonna see as many shows as I can and enjoy it while it lasts.

[Gideon]

Speculation aside, I am going to enjoy what we have, while it lasts. I'm a realist who knows that, bless his famous soul, SP, even if he could return would be hard pressed to maintain the legacy sound at his age. That's just a fact that comes with age, and yeah, I know this has already been debated into the ground. Arnel is what we have and we could have gotten worse....a lot worse. There was a time when I could call people...now everyone wants to text. Time to move on, except for when I get a chance to play those precious vintage Journey CD's and slip into my memory of the old age gigs.

As far as I'm concerned, Journey sounds great today and I'm gonna see as many shows as I can and enjoy it while it lasts.

This has Gideon's stamp of approval. Henceforth, it is cooler than anything Gunbot posts.

[Deacon]

Speculation aside, I am going to enjoy what we have, while it lasts. I'm a realist who knows that, bless his famous soul, SP, even if he could return would be hard pressed to maintain the legacy sound at his age. That's just a fact that comes with age, and yeah, I know this has already been debated into the ground. Arnel is what we have and we could have gotten worse....a lot worse. There was a time when I could call people...now everyone wants to text. Time to move on, except for when I get a chance to play those precious vintage Journey CD's and slip into my memory of the old age gigs.

As far as I'm concerned, Journey sounds great today and I'm gonna see as many shows as I can and enjoy it while it lasts.

You say that as though Arnel is bad.

[Don]

Speculation aside, I am going to enjoy what we have, while it lasts. I'm a realist who knows that, bless his famous soul, SP, even if he could return would be hard pressed to maintain the legacy sound at his age. That's just a fact that comes with age, and yeah, I know this has already been debated into the ground. Arnel is what we have and we could have gotten worse....a lot worse. There was a time when I could call people...now everyone wants to text. Time to move on, except for when I get a chance to play those precious vintage Journey CD's and slip into my memory of the old age gigs.

As far as I'm concerned, Journey sounds great today and I'm gonna see as many shows as I can and enjoy it while it lasts.

This has Gideon's stamp of approval. Henceforth, it is cooler than anything Gunbot posts.

Plokker material this is.

Journey is a business. Right now, they are making more money for themselves then anytime since the eighties. If you go by that, they've got a nice little success story going on. What more could they want?

By the way are you on springbreak yet? Are you going to Florida for the festivities or do they not do that anymore?