Journey Looking Forward: Best Case Scenario

[steveo777]

I knew you INADVERTENTLY used the wrong emoticons.

Just like Jon Cain "inadvertently" belittled Arnel, practically to his face, during auditions...
Just like Steve Perry "inadvertently" voted Ross, Smitty and Herb off the island...
Just like Gunbot, the heartless bastard, "inadvertently" quit using those Aki Kawamura avi's...
Suuuure...


wech

How do ya know, where ya there? Got the vid???

[Don]

I knew you INADVERTENTLY used the wrong emoticons.

Just like Jon Cain "inadvertently" belittled Arnel, practically to his face, during auditions...
Just like Steve Perry "inadvertently" voted Ross, Smitty and Herb off the island...
Just like Gunbot, the heartless bastard, "inadvertently" quit using those Aki Kawamura avi's...
Suuuure...


wech

How do ya know, where ya there? Got the vid???

Arnel talked about this last year I think. Wech, being Filipino probably watched it on TV. I'll let him elaborate. It's not made up, if that is what you are thinking. Look at the JSS situation, you shouldn't be surprised at this. It's old news but yet another reminder that none of these people (including Perry) are saints.

[wednesday's child]

I knew you INADVERTENTLY used the wrong emoticons.

Just like Jon Cain "inadvertently" belittled Arnel, practically to his face, during auditions...
Just like Steve Perry "inadvertently" voted Ross, Smitty and Herb off the island...
Just like Gunbot, the heartless bastard, "inadvertently" quit using those Aki Kawamura avi's...
Suuuure...


wech

How do ya know, where ya there? Got the vid???

Arnel talked about this last year I think. Wech, being Filipino probably watched it on TV. I'll let him elaborate. It's not made up, if that is what you are thinking. Look at the JSS situation, you shouldn't be surprised at this. It's old news but yet another reminder that none of these people (including Perry) are saints.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... ?p=4106335

Too lazy to retype that shit.

-wech

[steveo777]

I knew you INADVERTENTLY used the wrong emoticons.

Just like Jon Cain "inadvertently" belittled Arnel, practically to his face, during auditions...
Just like Steve Perry "inadvertently" voted Ross, Smitty and Herb off the island...
Just like Gunbot, the heartless bastard, "inadvertently" quit using those Aki Kawamura avi's...
Suuuure...


wech

How do ya know, where ya there? Got the vid???

Arnel talked about this last year I think. Wech, being Filipino probably watched it on TV. I'll let him elaborate. It's not made up, if that is what you are thinking. Look at the JSS situation, you shouldn't be surprised at this. It's old news but yet another reminder that none of these people (including Perry) are saints.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... ?p=4106335




-wech

Thanks wech. I'm sure glad we are way past that now!

[Monker]

Hey, the coolest thing about Journey is when they are getting bashed, you know they are doing something.

The coolest thing about Journey WAS that they never looked BACK and moved forward with their music. Now they are an 80's nostalgia band - by their own admission.

Depends. One could argue that they've always had a certain formula since "Escape." And if by moving forward you mean pulling the shit that Jon Bon Jovi has (i.e. turning from a rock band into country music rejects), I'll take Journey's "nostalgia" any day.

Bon Jovi did what it had to do to stay relevant.
100 shows last year, 100 sellouts. 150 million dollars.

You all kill me.

Are you after quality music or commercial success? The two don't always coincide. Journey puts out great shit, in my book, and they've had great success thus far.

Britney Spears is, once again, a megahit. "Relevant." Still wouldn't regard her work as great.

That's crap. Journey released quality music AND had success. Following Arrival, they have been releasing mediocre crap. FANS should be DEMANDING they release the best album they can and let the sales go where they go. Quality and success are not mutualy exclusive...unless you think Infinity through ROR are crap.

[Monker]

Hey, the coolest thing about Journey is when they are getting bashed, you know they are doing something.

The coolest thing about Journey WAS that they never looked BACK and moved forward with their music. Now they are an 80's nostalgia band - by their own admission.

Depends. One could argue that they've always had a certain formula since "Escape."

One could argue that the Earth is flat, too...But, they would still be wrong.

[Jubilee]

That's crap. Journey released quality music AND had success. Following Arrival, they have been releasing mediocre crap. FANS should be DEMANDING they release the best album they can and let the sales go where they go. Quality and success are not mutualy exclusive...unless you think Infinity through ROR are crap.

First of all, the only way fans can "DEMAND" anything is by voting with their wallets. Secondly, nobody, and I mean NOBODY, in the music industry is interested in "letting the sales go where they go". At the end of the day, this is a business.

I do agree though, quality and success do not have to be mutually exclusive.

[Gideon]

That's crap.

Your expert opinion has been duly noted.

Journey released quality music AND had success.

Your obvious expertise and credentials in the analysis of what is and isn't crap notwithstanding, this is 2009. I hope I don't have to remind you of the fact that music climate changes; Journey's peak of success was in the '80s. This is 20 years later and they're enjoying more success with this "mediocre crap" than with Arrival.

Following Arrival, they have been releasing mediocre crap.

In your opinion. In addition to alerting you of the past 20 years, I'm afraid I have more bad news: you don't speak for the majority.

FANS should be DEMANDING they release the best album they can and let the sales go where they go.

If the sales and rave reviews have been any indication (I realize they're probably not in your world), the FANS are LIKING the "mediocre crap".

Quality and success are not mutualy exclusive...unless you think Infinity through ROR are crap.

Reposting for the illiterate or visually challenged:

Are you after quality music or commercial success? The two don't always coincide.

Just in case you missed it, I'll post again:

Are you after quality music or commercial success? The two don't always coincide.

One could argue that the Earth is flat, too...But, they would still be wrong.

Has anyone ever told you that you appear to be really badass when you tell people how to think? I like your method. Who needs fact or reason to be right?

[steveo777]

Hey, this success Journey is having these days must be akin to a woman faking an orgasm. Some do it really, really well.

[Gideon]

Hey, this success Journey is having these days must be akin to a woman faking an orgasm.

Because it's just not success without Steve Perry. And that's in music, in movies, in life in general.

[steveo777]

Hey, this success Journey is having these days must be akin to a woman faking an orgasm.

Because it's just not success without Steve Perry. And that's in music, in movies, in life in general.

Cough...right...and Sean Connery is James Bond...cough

[Deacon]

Hey, this success Journey is having these days must be akin to a woman faking an orgasm.

Because it's just not success without Steve Perry. And that's in music, in movies, in life in general.

Cough...right...and Sean Connery is James Bond...cough

He's not?!

[Don]

Hey, this success Journey is having these days must be akin to a woman faking an orgasm.

Because it's just not success without Steve Perry. And that's in music, in movies, in life in general.

Greatest hits with Steve Perry on vocals = 15 million sold

Greatest hits with Arnel Pineda on vocals = 800,000 Sold

Is it relevant? Probably not but it's Friday and we're due another rant so I'll just put it out there.

Oh and 'Aliens vs Monsters" is out. Who's the vocalist on "Who's crying now" in that movie?

I'm done now.

[Gideon]

Hey, this success Journey is having these days must be akin to a woman faking an orgasm.

Because it's just not success without Steve Perry. And that's in music, in movies, in life in general.

Greatest hits with Steve Perry on vocals = 15 million sold

Greatest hits with Arnel Pineda on vocals = 800,000 Sold

Is it relevant? Probably not but it's Friday and we're due another rant so I'll just put it out there.

I nearly posted the fact that the Greatest Hits with Perry have had twenty years to incubate with sales. But I won't fall for your trap.

[steveo777]

Hey, this success Journey is having these days must be akin to a woman faking an orgasm.

Because it's just not success without Steve Perry. And that's in music, in movies, in life in general.

Greatest hits with Steve Perry on vocals = 15 million sold

Greatest hits with Arnel Pineda on vocals = 800,000 Sold

Is it relevant? Probably not but it's Friday and we're due another rant so I'll just put it out there.

Remind me to re- check your figures again after Arnel has had a career span of 20+ years on Journey material. I'm sure I'll be back then to do that! LOL

[Gideon]

Hey, this success Journey is having these days must be akin to a woman faking an orgasm.

Because it's just not success without Steve Perry. And that's in music, in movies, in life in general.

Greatest hits with Steve Perry on vocals = 15 million sold

Greatest hits with Arnel Pineda on vocals = 800,000 Sold

Is it relevant? Probably not but it's Friday and we're due another rant so I'll just put it out there.

Remind me to re- check your figures again after Arnel has had a career span of 20+ years. LOL

That's just fucking scary.

[Don]

That was my point really. Arnel doesn't have time on his side. Even if he sings Perry under the table, the clock is ticking. Too bad Youtube wasn't around in 1998, Then we could be talking something akin to what Van Halen had, two distinct eras that were pretty different from each other music wise but both majorly successful in their own right. The difference being Sammy could write music and was able to lead VH in a new direction just by his sheer talent.

[Gideon]

That was my point really. Arnel doesn't have time on his side. Even if he sings Perry under the table, the clock is ticking. Too bad Youtube wasn't around in 1998, Then we could be talking something akin to what Van Halen had, two distinct eras that were pretty different from each other music wise but both majorly successful in their own right.

But he doesn't sing Perry under the table, unless we're talking about present-era Perry.

[Don]

That was my point really. Arnel doesn't have time on his side. Even if he sings Perry under the table, the clock is ticking. Too bad Youtube wasn't around in 1998, Then we could be talking something akin to what Van Halen had, two distinct eras that were pretty different from each other music wise but both majorly successful in their own right.

But he doesn't sing Perry under the table, unless we're talking about present-era Perry.

That's what I'm alluding too, comparing older Arnel to 30 something Perry, or road worn Perry to a fresh Arnel just will never work out. Let them write songs for Arnel and his type of voice and go from there in the future.

[Monker]

Your obvious expertise and credentials in the analysis of what is and isn't crap notwithstanding, this is 2009. I hope I don't have to remind you of the fact that music climate changes; Journey's peak of success was in the '80s. This is 20 years later and they're enjoying more success with this "mediocre crap" than with Arrival.

You're right, it's 2009. Only a crappy nostalgia band would release music that sounds like Survivor, along with a rerecorded GH package that sounds like it was recorded in Jonathan Cain's garage.

In your opinion. In addition to alerting you of the past 20 years, I'm afraid I have more bad news: you don't speak for the majority.

I speak for rmy majority...me.

If the sales and rave reviews have been any indication (I realize they're probably not in your world), the FANS are LIKING the "mediocre crap".

You're right, sales are not an indication of the opinion of the music. They are an indication of marketing to old people at Wal-Mart who have a twang of nostalgia on their brains.

Has anyone ever told you that you appear to be really badass when you tell people how to think? I like your method. Who needs fact or reason to be right?

I really don't care how I 'appear' to people on an internet message forum. I've said for years that Journey needs to take time to concentrate on recording a proper album. Instead we get half-assed production or crappy nostalgia music. That's not what Journey should be...I don't care how many copies it sells. If that satisfies your desire for your youth and 80's music, fine. But, it's not what it's about for me.

[Monker]

That's crap. Journey released quality music AND had success. Following Arrival, they have been releasing mediocre crap. FANS should be DEMANDING they release the best album they can and let the sales go where they go. Quality and success are not mutualy exclusive...unless you think Infinity through ROR are crap.

First of all, the only way fans can "DEMAND" anything is by voting with their wallets. Secondly, nobody, and I mean NOBODY, in the music industry is interested in "letting the sales go where they go". At the end of the day, this is a business.

I do agree though, quality and success do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Yeah, it's a business...and if the artists participating in that business have no integrity then perhaps working at the Gap, or a turkey farm, would be a better career choice.

[Monker]

Hey, this success Journey is having these days must be akin to a woman faking an orgasm.

Because it's just not success without Steve Perry. And that's in music, in movies, in life in general.

Greatest hits with Steve Perry on vocals = 15 million sold

Greatest hits with Arnel Pineda on vocals = 800,000 Sold

Is it relevant? Probably not but it's Friday and we're due another rant so I'll just put it out there.

Oh and 'Aliens vs Monsters" is out. Who's the vocalist on "Who's crying now" in that movie?

I'm done now.

No, the GH with Arnel was only one disk of that package, so divide that by 2.

[Gideon]

Well, as long as you clarified that you were speaking for yourself (you came off as speaking for everyone else), we'll just agree to disagree.

[Red13JoePa]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

I still LIKE Arrival but for me Generations was the quintissential Augeri effort. And album quality aside, I'm talking overall health of the band bizwise and and overall buzz in the real world. I can't argue, especially in this day and age with the sales of Revelation.

[Saint John]

I see Monker is still a fucking malcontent that wouldn't give Journey credit if their next album sold 4 million copies. Go pole vault into the Grand Canyon, dickbag.

[steveo777]

I see Monker is still a fucking malcontent that wouldn't give Journey credit if their next album sold 4 million copies. Go pole vault into the Grand Canyon, dickbag.

In life we all eventually come to accept that there is a downer at every turn. The rest of us are gonna keep having fun!

[Gideon]

I see Monker is still a fucking malcontent that wouldn't give Journey credit if their next album sold 4 million copies. Go pole vault into the Grand Canyon, dickbag.

I lol'd. A lot.

[Saint John]

I see Monker is still a fucking malcontent that wouldn't give Journey credit if their next album sold 4 million copies. Go pole vault into the Grand Canyon, dickbag.

I lol'd. A lot.

I gave him the courtesy of dying a death that would allow him 20-30 more seconds of incessant bitching on the way down.

[Gideon]

I see Monker is still a fucking malcontent that wouldn't give Journey credit if their next album sold 4 million copies. Go pole vault into the Grand Canyon, dickbag.

I lol'd. A lot.

I gave him the courtesy of dying a death that would allow him 20-30 more seconds of incessant bitching on the way down.

I'm crying, dude. That's hilarious.

[Saint John]

I see Monker is still a fucking malcontent that wouldn't give Journey credit if their next album sold 4 million copies. Go pole vault into the Grand Canyon, dickbag.

I lol'd. A lot.

I gave him the courtesy of dying a death that would allow him 20-30 more seconds of incessant bitching on the way down.

I'm crying, dude. That's hilarious.

This jackoff is the type of guy that wins a 300 million dollar lottery and all you hear about is how they took 40% in taxes. Monker is as smart and knowledgeable as anyone here. Why he chooses to be on a perpetual menstrual cycle is anyone's fucking guess. But if I lived in Iowa I would probably be the same God damned way.