Arnel Solo Album?

[Rockindeano]

All right, ladies and gentlemen. I'm done for a little while. Good fight and we'll resume later.

I was going to say, your neck hurt from continuous glances at your Timex, wondering when big brother Deacon would swoop in here to save your ass?

[la michelona]

The statue has nothing to do with Journey or the American music industry in particular, This is a Pinoy thing and we will give a statue to whoever we damn well please ...even to Winnie the Pooh or to Ron Jeremy

Winnie the Pooh... now THERE is a mofo who deserves a statue.

At least people (outside MR and journeymusic.com) know who he is.

i think someone should ERECT a statue for Ron Jeremey {although has no testicles}

...that's why someone has to do it for him.

(the veracity of my medical opinion is dubious at best )

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

[jrnyman28]

Here's a question, while this has been a good 'back-n-forth' I wonder if the original 'argument' was ever worked out or did it simply spin out of control as individual points became the focus of contention?

[Rockindeano]

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

Really?

Then how about showing us your tits?

[stevew2]

The statue has nothing to do with Journey or the American music industry in particular, This is a Pinoy thing and we will give a statue to whoever we damn well please ...even to Winnie the Pooh or to Ron Jeremy

Winnie the Pooh... now THERE is a mofo who deserves a statue.

At least people (outside MR and journeymusic.com) know who he is.

i think someone should ERECT a statue for Ron Jeremey {although has no testicles}

...that's why someone has to do it for him.

(the veracity of my medical opinion is dubious at best )

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

That sumbitch has a 12 inch pecker, but no gonads, whats up with that Friga?

[stevew2]

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

Really?

Then how about showing us your tits?

Both posting within a minute or each other, thats fuckin weird

[la michelona]

The statue has nothing to do with Journey or the American music industry in particular, This is a Pinoy thing and we will give a statue to whoever we damn well please ...even to Winnie the Pooh or to Ron Jeremy

Winnie the Pooh... now THERE is a mofo who deserves a statue.

At least people (outside MR and journeymusic.com) know who he is.

i think someone should ERECT a statue for Ron Jeremey {although has no testicles}

...that's why someone has to do it for him.

(the veracity of my medical opinion is dubious at best )

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

That sumbitch has a 12 inch pecker, but no gonads, whats up with that Friga?

I knew I could count on you to brighten my day. Thanks, steviecito

[mdaemon]

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

Really?

Then how about showing us your tits?

nice try

[stevew2]

The statue has nothing to do with Journey or the American music industry in particular, This is a Pinoy thing and we will give a statue to whoever we damn well please ...even to Winnie the Pooh or to Ron Jeremy

Winnie the Pooh... now THERE is a mofo who deserves a statue.

At least people (outside MR and journeymusic.com) know who he is.

i think someone should ERECT a statue for Ron Jeremey {although has no testicles}

...that's why someone has to do it for him.

(the veracity of my medical opinion is dubious at best )

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

That sumbitch has a 12 inch pecker, but no gonads, whats up with that Friga?

I knew I could count on you to brighten my day. Thanks, steviecito

Thankecito can i see your tittiecoto

[la michelona]

The statue has nothing to do with Journey or the American music industry in particular, This is a Pinoy thing and we will give a statue to whoever we damn well please ...even to Winnie the Pooh or to Ron Jeremy

Winnie the Pooh... now THERE is a mofo who deserves a statue.

At least people (outside MR and journeymusic.com) know who he is.

i think someone should ERECT a statue for Ron Jeremey {although has no testicles}

...that's why someone has to do it for him.

(the veracity of my medical opinion is dubious at best )

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

That sumbitch has a 12 inch pecker, but no gonads, whats up with that Friga?

I knew I could count on you to brighten my day. Thanks, steviecito

Thankecito can i see your tittiecoto

****looking that up in the dictionary. . .

[la michelona]

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

Really?

Then how about showing us your tits?

nice try

hehehe. Even that is making me snicker. Thanks, guys!

[Gideon]

All right, ladies and gentlemen. I'm done for a little while. Good fight and we'll resume later.

I was going to say, your neck hurt from continuous glances at your Timex, wondering when big brother Deacon would swoop in here to save your ass?

I'm sure he'd get a kick out of you thinking so.

[Deacon]

All right, ladies and gentlemen. I'm done for a little while. Good fight and we'll resume later.

I was going to say, your neck hurt from continuous glances at your Timex, wondering when big brother Deacon would swoop in here to save your ass?

I'm sure he'd get a kick out of you thinking so.

Quote saved forever.

[stevew2]

The statue has nothing to do with Journey or the American music industry in particular, This is a Pinoy thing and we will give a statue to whoever we damn well please ...even to Winnie the Pooh or to Ron Jeremy

Winnie the Pooh... now THERE is a mofo who deserves a statue.

At least people (outside MR and journeymusic.com) know who he is.

i think someone should ERECT a statue for Ron Jeremey {although has no testicles}

...that's why someone has to do it for him.

(the veracity of my medical opinion is dubious at best )

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

That sumbitch has a 12 inch pecker, but no gonads, whats up with that Friga?

I knew I could count on you to brighten my day. Thanks, steviecito

Thankecito can i see your tittiecoto

****looking that up in the dictionary. . .

you can borrow mine

[Gideon]

All right, ladies and gentlemen. I'm done for a little while. Good fight and we'll resume later.

I was going to say, your neck hurt from continuous glances at your Timex, wondering when big brother Deacon would swoop in here to save your ass?

I'm sure he'd get a kick out of you thinking so.

Quote saved forever.

I told you that the years of abuse at my hands would pay off, big brother.

[Deacon]

All right, ladies and gentlemen. I'm done for a little while. Good fight and we'll resume later.

I was going to say, your neck hurt from continuous glances at your Timex, wondering when big brother Deacon would swoop in here to save your ass?

I'm sure he'd get a kick out of you thinking so.

Quote saved forever.

I told you that the years of abuse at my hands would pay off, big brother.

Apparently it has. Whudathunkit?

[Gideon]

All right, ladies and gentlemen. I'm done for a little while. Good fight and we'll resume later.

I was going to say, your neck hurt from continuous glances at your Timex, wondering when big brother Deacon would swoop in here to save your ass?

I'm sure he'd get a kick out of you thinking so.

Quote saved forever.

I told you that the years of abuse at my hands would pay off, big brother.

Apparently it has. Whudathunkit?

Well, now that you're here, I pass the torch to you. Deano's mastery of logic, his handle on objectivity, and his infinite patience are too great for me. You're our last hope, big brother.

Have fun.

[Deacon]

Well, now that you're here, I pass the torch to you. Deano's mastery of logic, his handle on objectivity, and his infinite patience are too great for me. You're our last hope, big brother.

Have fun.

I feel so honored, yet I'm still so afraid of the responsibility.

I'll handle it well, though.

[la michelona]

The statue has nothing to do with Journey or the American music industry in particular, This is a Pinoy thing and we will give a statue to whoever we damn well please ...even to Winnie the Pooh or to Ron Jeremy

Winnie the Pooh... now THERE is a mofo who deserves a statue.

At least people (outside MR and journeymusic.com) know who he is.

i think someone should ERECT a statue for Ron Jeremey {although has no testicles}

...that's why someone has to do it for him.

(the veracity of my medical opinion is dubious at best )

I'm just really, really bored today. sigh

That sumbitch has a 12 inch pecker, but no gonads, whats up with that Friga?

I knew I could count on you to brighten my day. Thanks, steviecito

Thankecito can i see your tittiecoto

****looking that up in the dictionary. . .

you can borrow mine

[Rockindeano]

Well, now that you're here, I pass the torch to you. Deano's mastery of logic, his handle on objectivity, and his infinite patience are too great for me. You're our last hope, big brother.

Have fun.

I feel so honored, yet I'm still so afraid of the responsibility.

I'll handle it well, though.

Naw, made my point...got in, got out. Notice no cussing and NO personal attacks.

My 10 days off were spent down in the basement sucking on battery acid..I am charged up now, and ready for anything, however, I am going to pick and choose my battles, and up my win %, rather than up my post total.

[Deacon]

You're right -- No cussing, no personal attacks. I appreciate the change.

But, the argument that you made was highly speculative and dealt with a lot of subjective interpretation rather than absolute fact. It might have simply been the nature of that singular argument, but, I'll accept the changes thus far.

Edit: struck out "new"

[Gideon]

[Rockindeano]

You're right -- No cussing, no personal attacks. I appreciate the change.

But, the argument that you made was highly speculative and dealt with a lot of subjective interpretation rather than absolute fact. It might have simply been the nature of that singular argument, but, I'll accept the changes thus far.

Edit: struck out "new"

Oh fuck you and your acceptance. You have a helluva long way to go to knock me off assturd.

I know my Journey history. I will readily admit i I am wrong. Let me say it your language....."That ain't a happenin Deke."

[madsplash]

You're right -- No cussing, no personal attacks. I appreciate the change.

But, the argument that you made was highly speculative and dealt with a lot of subjective interpretation rather than absolute fact. It might have simply been the nature of that singular argument, but, I'll accept the changes thus far.

Edit: struck out "new"

Oh fuck you and your acceptance. You have a helluva long way to go to knock me off assturd.

I know my Journey history. I will readily admit i I am wrong. Let me say it your language....."That ain't a happenin Deke."

Rock on Deano. They come and they go. Still You Ride!

[Gideon]

You're right -- No cussing, no personal attacks. I appreciate the change.

But, the argument that you made was highly speculative and dealt with a lot of subjective interpretation rather than absolute fact. It might have simply been the nature of that singular argument, but, I'll accept the changes thus far.

Edit: struck out "new"

Oh fuck you and your acceptance. You have a helluva long way to go to knock me off assturd.

I know my Journey history. I will readily admit i I am wrong. Let me say it your language....."That ain't a happenin Deke."

I appreciate your honest concession. Can't win them all, my friend.

[Deacon]

Oh fuck you and your acceptance. You have a helluva long way to go to knock me off assturd.

LOL. Let me get that statement from you:

No cussing, NO personal attacks.

Your batteries ran down again, didn't they?

edit: fixed the quote function

[SherriBerry]

Don't get all of your information from Behind The Music. Anyone who thinks that documentary was pure, 100% fact is quite naive. And, don't get all of your information from one source, that being HH, Perry, Schon, Cain, or anyone else. You have to look at all sides involved, collectively. Everybody had their on share of "cracking the stone". Sure, it's easy to blame Perry for the depature of Smith and Valory (in which he later said he made a mistake in doing,) but Schon and Cain were equally at fault for not standing their ground on that. Perry was the big gravy train for Cain and Schon, and they were not about to derail that train!

Well, he mentioned in Behind the Music that he "probably" wouldn't do it [firing Ross and Steve] again if he could go back and do it over. Not quite apologetic enough for my taste.

And the TBF "Fiasco" as you called it was a darn good album. Sure, it didn't rock like Frontiers or Escape did, but it was a well put together album.

It's actually my favorite.

You need to watch this again and I pointed out this error in another thread. He did not say "probably" - he said, and I quote, "Having had those circumstances in front of me today, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have done it". If you're going to argue a point, you need to quote your sources accurately.

From 4:35: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdLUmkQrnfQ&feature=PlayList&p=DDA4F6B745B88C9B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

[SherriBerry]

Alien Project dissolved because of the death of his bassist, thus Perry going into retirement.

Right! That's what I said. I just didn't mention his band's name.

Your argument was that Perry went into retirement because the man died, not because he was having a hard time making it. Except... that's clearly the case. He didn't retire out of remorse or depression; he retired because the band fell apart.

Sorry Gideon, but as far as I have seen, it has always been said that it was the death of his friend and bandmate that led him to hang up the mic.

The band didn't fall apart - after his friend died, SP refused to replace him in the band as he felt it wouldn't be the same. Here's a link to the 1998 interview: http://steveperryfanclub.homestead.com/ColumbiaRecordsDec98.html

In the same paragraph (8th), it also mentions that (despite being self-exiled on a turkey ranch) executives at Columbia, where he had been about to sign a record deal before, put him in touch with Journey. They were the ones who gave HH the Alien Project demos - even though he was considering quitting, he had more than a few people urging him onward. His career was going to happen in spite of his doubts.

You keep stating he had retired, but that is not accurate and as I mentioned before, he was in mourning and went home to get back on his feet and earn some money while he considered his future. It's a chapter in the life of more than a few of us. If he had truly retired, he would not have taken up Herbie on his offer in the first place.

[SherriBerry]

Well, he mentioned in Behind the Music that he "probably" wouldn't do it [firing Ross and Steve] again if he could go back and do it over. Not quite apologetic enough for my taste.

And the TBF "Fiasco" as you called it was a darn good album. Sure, it didn't rock like Frontiers or Escape did, but it was a well put together album.

It's actually my favorite.

Eh....tomato, tomahto....What would you have wanted Perry to have done? Gotten on his knees and have told Smith and Valory to have spread eagle?

Like I said, the most intelligent thing to do is to look at all sides and what has been said on all sides. Every band member has spoken truths as well as spun things to make them look like saints. It's human nature. To dump everything on Perry is stupid, as well as putting all the blame on Schon or Cain. I suspect that there was untold struggle amongst egos from early on, and it eventually came out in the late 80's....and unfortunately carried on throughout the 90's. While these musicians and vocalist made magical tunes together, they probably are just very different people in the end.

An actual apology would have been nice. For the record, I don't believe for a second that any member of the band has been evil incarnate. But Perry's contributions to the problem tend to get overlooked. Who knew that a nice voice is the reprieve for culpability?

I'm sure there was an actual apology behind closed doors. We the fans don't need to be apologized to in that respect.

That's right.

In fact, the only Steve Perry personal decision that bothers me as a fan is the time lost between 1986 and 1996. As a person, it sucks to see the band's history of indiscretions when it comes to their personnel. As a fan, I'm in it for the music and only care about the problems when it costs the band time. As a debater, it annoys me when one party is villified and another party enjoys saint-status despite his fair share of the blame.

If people acknowledge that Perry was an ass, as well as the rest of the band, I'd move on without complaint.

Based on what is known and what the band members have admitted too, it's pretty evident that every single one of them has been an ass at some point! None of them, including SP, were beyond reproach - they all made mistakes. Here's another interview, in which SP states that his song 'Anyway' was a "...heartfelt admission of [his] part of the insanity": http://steveperryfanclub.homestead.com/StevePerryConversationWithDaveR.html (second paragraph after the title "Steve Perry Talks About the Break-Up of Journey").

Here's another link to the lyrics of 'Anyway': http://www.lyricsdownload.com/steve-perry-anyway-lyrics.html

"I'd like to say I'm sorry, I'd like to make amends" - sounds like a heartfelt and public apology to me.

[SherriBerry]

Since this started as a poll on an Arnel solo album, I just want to ask if anyone has heard any information regarding a new Journey album this year - any news?