President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Eric]

Just to recap....

Bush holding hands and planting a fat juicy wet one on the King's whiskery mug (on our own turf no less!) is A-ok.

To my recollection, President Obama hasn't ferried the bin laden family out of the US following a terrorist attack. Things that make you go hmm.

One of those lose conspiracists. Very sad...very, very sad.

[Rockindeano]

Quite franky, I was disgusted by it. And I think the argument from your side at the time was all about the number of 9/11 hijackers who came from there.

LOL, I seem to remember the entire faction of the GOP wanting to throttle Canada because it assumed 19 of the 20 Hijackers came from Canada. Buzz! Wrong, again!

Saudi Arabia is no friend to the US and you damn well know it.

They are now. We are making friends left and right, no pun intended. The world states are starting to take another hard look at us. We are regaining the respect we last the last 8 years. it's a good thing to have allies.

[Eric]

LOL, again- What are you rabid Cons going o say when a US soldier is captured and waterboarded, and tortured by other means as well? We won't have a single leg to stand on, nor a whispering voice, because we are no better. What the Bush/Cheney Admin did was reprehensible and disgusting. We reap what we sow.

Have we been attacked again?

[Rockindeano]

Just for the record, you support the art of waterboarding?

You betcha!

Barb, do you have a son in the military?

Yes, I do. - Air Force. And if you think I trust those bastards over there to treat him kindly, you're out of your fucking mind.

And God forbid, if he gets captured, can you blame them for treating him in an inhumane manner? I mean come on, if we, the great United States can torture, I see no reason why others can't return the favour. hell, i would if I were our enemy. You might want to rethink your position on torture Barb.

[Ehwmatt]

Just for the record, you support the art of waterboarding?

You betcha!

Barb, do you have a son in the military?

Yes, I do. - Air Force. And if you think I trust those bastards over there to treat him kindly, you're out of your fucking mind.

And God forbid, if he gets captured, can you blame them for treating him in an inhumane manner? I mean come on, if we, the great United States can torture, I see no reason why others can't return the favour. hell, i would if I were our enemy. You might want to rethink your position on torture Barb.

Chicken or egg... hmm...

[Rockindeano]

Just for the record, you support the art of waterboarding?

You betcha!

Barb, do you have a son in the military?

Yes, I do. - Air Force. And if you think I trust those bastards over there to treat him kindly, you're out of your fucking mind.

And God forbid, if he gets captured, can you blame them for treating him in an inhumane manner? I mean come on, if we, the great United States can torture, I see no reason why others can't return the favour. hell, i would if I were our enemy. You might want to rethink your position on torture Barb.

Chicken or egg... hmm...

Fuck off. I was a soldier, I can comment on this with some fucking real feel. I earned that right.

Torture is wrong, and for any American to say it's ok as long as we are the one's doing it, just makes me sick. Why the fuck did I fight for people to have that kind of mindset?

[Barb]

Just for the record, you support the art of waterboarding?

You betcha!

Barb, do you have a son in the military?

Yes, I do. - Air Force. And if you think I trust those bastards over there to treat him kindly, you're out of your fucking mind.

And God forbid, if he gets captured, can you blame them for treating him in an inhumane manner? I mean come on, if we, the great United States can torture, I see no reason why others can't return the favour. hell, i would if I were our enemy. You might want to rethink your position on torture Barb.

How truly delusional are you, Dean? Do you honestly think these fanatics give a crap about treating our soliders properly? These are people who have no regard for human life -- ours OR THEIRS. Come on!

I'm sure now that Obama has outlawed this barbaric practice and all is great and good, our soldiers are in good and trusty hands if they are captured. Riiiiight......

[The_Noble_Cause]

And I think the argument from your side at the time was all about the number of 9/11 hijackers who came from there.

Your hypocrisy is hysterical.

Not really.
Obama hasn't hosted him at the White House.
He made a formal greeting to a fellow dignitary at the G20.
What was he supposed to do?
Scissorkick him to the face?

Saudi Arabia is no friend to the US and you damn well know it.

The Saudis are far from the only human rights violator we have friendly relations with.
Hell, China holding our debt is the only thing propping this country up.
I'm not defending their moral track record, I'm defending one leader showing basic respect to another.

[Barb]

And I think the argument from your side at the time was all about the number of 9/11 hijackers who came from there.

Your hypocrisy is hysterical.

Not really.
Obama hasn't hosted him at the White House.
He made a formal greeting to a fellow dignitary at the G20.
What was he supposed to do?
Scissorkick him to the face?

Saudi Arabia is no friend to the US and you damn well know it.

The Saudis are far from the only human rights violator we have friendly relations with.
Hell, China holding our debt is the only thing propping this country up.
I'm not defending their moral track record, I'm defending one leader showing basic respect to another.

A handshake would have been sufficient and appropriate. Ya, we're in deep shit with China too. They own us and if they ever decide to call in that debt, we're screwed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How truly delusional are you, Dean? Do you honestly think these fanatics give a crap about treating our soliders properly? These are people who have no regard for human life -- ours OR THEIRS. Come on!

I'm sure now that Obama has outlawed this barbaric practice and all is great and good, our soldiers are in good and trusty hands if they are captured. Riiiiight......

Lots of generalizations being flung here.
Might want to acquaint yourself with the case of British resident, Binyam Mohamed, and then read up on a few hundred more.

[Rockindeano]

How truly delusional are you, Dean? Do you honestly think these fanatics give a crap about treating our soliders properly? These are people who have no regard for human life -- ours OR THEIRS. Come on!

I'm sure now that Obama has outlawed this barbaric practice and all is great and good, our soldiers are in good and trusty hands if they are captured. Riiiiight......

Delusional enough to understand that you just wrote that it's ok for US to torture others.

Sorry barb, I really have to question your intellect and/or knowledge here. I am saddened that any reasonable thinking American would even consider adopting this kind of policy.

It makes me sick, to know that people here advocate barbaric acts of humanism.

[Barb]

How truly delusional are you, Dean? Do you honestly think these fanatics give a crap about treating our soliders properly? These are people who have no regard for human life -- ours OR THEIRS. Come on!

I'm sure now that Obama has outlawed this barbaric practice and all is great and good, our soldiers are in good and trusty hands if they are captured. Riiiiight......

Delusional enough to understand that you just wrote that it's ok for US to torture others.

Sorry barb, I really have to question your intellect and/or knowledge here. I am saddened that any reasonable thinking American would even consider adopting this kind of policy.

It makes me sick, to know that people here advocate barbaric acts of humanism.

I think sometimes, drastic measures are necessary. I'm not anywhere near suggesting it should be standard operating procedure. I think you know that, though.

[Rockindeano]

Ya, we're in deep shit with China too. They own us and if they ever decide to call in that debt, we're screwed.

Naw, you can relax on this one. If anyone can call in a debt, it's us.

[Ehwmatt]

Ya, we're in deep shit with China too. They own us and if they ever decide to call in that debt, we're screwed.

Naw, you can relax on this one. If anyone can cal in debt, it's us.

China doesn't own us, that really bothers me when people say that. Agree with you there Dean.

As for the torture comment that you got so angry about, well, you seemed to be implying that we are being tortured because we "started" it. I dunno about that.

[Rockindeano]

I'm not anywhere near suggesting it should be standard operating procedure. I think you know that, though.

Yet you fully and openly support Bush/Cheney policy, that does advocate this as SOP.

[Barb]

I'm not anywhere near suggesting it should be standard operating procedure. I think you know that, though.

Yet you fully and openly support Bush/Cheney policy, that does advocate this as SOP.

I think they waterboarded three people. How does that qualify as SOP?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Have we been attacked again?

When you throw the Constitution under a greyhound and roll over it twice, anything is possible.
Show me the leader who protected the people within the confines of checks and balances, and without King-like "unitary executive" powers.

[Rockindeano]

I'm not anywhere near suggesting it should be standard operating procedure. I think you know that, though.

Yet you fully and openly support Bush/Cheney policy, that does advocate this as SOP.

I think they waterboarded three people. How does that qualify as SOP?

Where did you pull that number out of?

[Barb]

Dean, if someone took your son and you were confronting him about the whereabouts of you son, KNOWING that he knows where he is but refused to tell you, would you just walk away or would you beat the ever loving shit out of him until he told you?

That is the POV I am coming from. If it's a case where innocent lives are on the line, and you know you have the right person, you do whatever you need to do. You don't let innocent people die.

[Rockindeano]

Ya, we're in deep shit with China too. They own us and if they ever decide to call in that debt, we're screwed.

Naw, you can relax on this one. If anyone can cal in debt, it's us.

China doesn't own us, that really bothers me when people say that. Agree with you there Dean.

As for the torture comment that you got so angry about, well, you seemed to be implying that we are being tortured because we "started" it. I dunno about that.

Where did I ever say that?

I did say though, that when it happens to us, don't bitch about it.

[Rockindeano]

Dean, if someone took your son and you were confronting him about the whereabouts of you son, KNOWING that he knows where he is but refused to tell you, would you just walk away or would you beat the ever loving shit out of him until he told you?

That is the POV I am coming from. If it's a case where innocent lives are on the line, and you know you have the right person, you do whatever you need to do. You don't let innocent people die.

WTF are you talking about? Innocents? Hey, let's talk innocents shall we? Gitmo. Guess what? There a ton of innocents there, who, yes, have been tortured. Tortured by OUR government. don't believe me, ask Col. Powell.

The point I am trying to make is just because others do it, does not mean we should. Hell, if we want to play that game, why fuck around with waterboarding? Just nuke everyone? That's your logic, and it's ridiculous to think that way.

[Ehwmatt]

Ya, we're in deep shit with China too. They own us and if they ever decide to call in that debt, we're screwed.

Naw, you can relax on this one. If anyone can cal in debt, it's us.

China doesn't own us, that really bothers me when people say that. Agree with you there Dean.

As for the torture comment that you got so angry about, well, you seemed to be implying that we are being tortured because we "started" it. I dunno about that.

Where did I ever say that?

I did say though, that when it happens to us, don't bitch about it.

I ain't bitchin.

[Barb]

Dean, if someone took your son and you were confronting him about the whereabouts of you son, KNOWING that he knows where he is but refused to tell you, would you just walk away or would you beat the ever loving shit out of him until he told you?

That is the POV I am coming from. If it's a case where innocent lives are on the line, and you know you have the right person, you do whatever you need to do. You don't let innocent people die.

WTF are you talking about? Innocents? Hey, let's talk innocents shall we? Gitmo. Guess what? There a ton of innocents there, who, yes, have been tortured. Tortured by OUR government. don't believe me, ask Col. Powell.

The point I am trying to make is just because others do it, does not mean we should. Hell, if we want to play that game, why fuck around with waterboarding? Just nuke everyone? That's your logic, and it's ridiculous to think that way.

LOL, ok.

[Barb]

Ya, we're in deep shit with China too. They own us and if they ever decide to call in that debt, we're screwed.

Naw, you can relax on this one. If anyone can cal in debt, it's us.

China doesn't own us, that really bothers me when people say that. Agree with you there Dean.

As for the torture comment that you got so angry about, well, you seemed to be implying that we are being tortured because we "started" it. I dunno about that.

Where did I ever say that?

I did say though, that when it happens to us, don't bitch about it.

It's already happened to us doofus. Pearl, Berg, and on and on. 3000 were tortured in the WTC for over an hour, hundreds were tortured aboard airplanes waiting for sure death and you are worried about Achmed instead. Good fucking grief.

And Berg was on THEIR side. They really didn't care much about that, did they?

[Rockindeano]

If so, when our troops get captured and killed and are shown on CNN being dragged through the streets of Kabul, Baghdad or the Bakara market, you can't say a fucking word.

Your boy Billy allowed them to get away with it in Mogadishu thus leaving the fanatics to thinking we are weak. W was just correcting the record. Instead of waterboarding the assholes maybe we should treat them to the McCain Vietnam method instead.

You are a goofball to believe that if we don't do it, (torture) then no one else will. Mohammed will off your silly head in a heartbeat you idiot.

Clinton did allow it, and it was wrong, for sure. I was pissed too.

I guess I am a goofball for wanting the world to at least try he game of respect, diplomacy and coexisting.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Your boy Billy allowed them to get away with it in Mogadishu thus leaving the fanatics to thinking we are weak. W was just correcting the record. Instead of waterboarding the assholes maybe we should treat them to the McCain Vietnam method instead.

Why don't you ask John McCain how he feels about waterboarding?

You are a goofball to believe that if we don't do it, (torture) then no one else will. Mohammed will off your silly head in a heartbeat you idiot.

So why did we prosecute the Japanese post-WW2, and our own soldiers post-Vietnam for doing it?

[Rockindeano]

Ya, we're in deep shit with China too. They own us and if they ever decide to call in that debt, we're screwed.

Naw, you can relax on this one. If anyone can cal in debt, it's us.

China doesn't own us, that really bothers me when people say that. Agree with you there Dean.

As for the torture comment that you got so angry about, well, you seemed to be implying that we are being tortured because we "started" it. I dunno about that.

Where did I ever say that?

I did say though, that when it happens to us, don't bitch about it.

It's already happened to us doofus. Pearl, Berg, and on and on. 3000 were tortured in the WTC for over an hour, hundreds were tortured aboard airplanes waiting for sure death and you are worried about Achmed instead. Good fucking grief.

And Berg was on THEIR side. They really didn't care much about that, did they?

So let me ask you this. Daniel Pearl was beheaded. So we should head up to Michigan, grab an Arab, and a camcorder, and saw his head off, and send it to Al Jazeera? Just want to make sure I understand this POV.

[Rockindeano]

Why don't you ask John McCain how he feels about waterboarding?

They don't think Mac is a "Real" Conservative, and he doesn't count, so your question is moot.

[Barb]

Ya, we're in deep shit with China too. They own us and if they ever decide to call in that debt, we're screwed.

Naw, you can relax on this one. If anyone can cal in debt, it's us.

China doesn't own us, that really bothers me when people say that. Agree with you there Dean.

As for the torture comment that you got so angry about, well, you seemed to be implying that we are being tortured because we "started" it. I dunno about that.

Where did I ever say that?

I did say though, that when it happens to us, don't bitch about it.

It's already happened to us doofus. Pearl, Berg, and on and on. 3000 were tortured in the WTC for over an hour, hundreds were tortured aboard airplanes waiting for sure death and you are worried about Achmed instead. Good fucking grief.

And Berg was on THEIR side. They really didn't care much about that, did they?

So let me ask you this. Daniel Pearl was beheaded. So we should head up to Michigan, grab an Arab, and a camcorder, and saw his head off, and send it to Al Jazeera? Just want to make sure I understand this POV.

Of course, Dean. That is precisely what I'm suggesting. Now you're just being silly.

[Rockindeano]

Oh now I am being silly, for plugging in YOUR points of view?

Jesus Christ.