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Postby strangegrey » Mon May 25, 2009 1:46 am

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So to that end, I will get serious for a minute. I think I see both sides of this argument. I see and respect that Andrew doesn't want this place to become a den of hatred towards the band....preventing positive discussion from taking foothold.

It really strikes a chord that there appears to be (or has been) a massive fear of Assoff's office and the PRBS (the Pinoy Race-Baiter Strike Force, that so effectively pissed it's cancer into the journey-net a few years ago)....That's just too bad.


Point A - correct

Point B - Not correct.

But you do get it....I just want dicussion (for or against) to be done without calling the band members names. It simply kills the point of the argument in the first place and dimishes any credibility to the point trying to be made.


Um, Andrew, with respect...I think you're missing my point B...and to that extent, you're wrong.

You may think that I am mentioning Point B in reference to you...I'm not. You know for a fact that this issue resonated throughout journey-net (meaning *all* of the public journey boards)....not just this one. So to that end, I *am* correct...to what extent I am correct here...well, I'll speak with absolute certainty that the PRBS ran (runs) rampant here with reckless abandon....I'm not going to touch the other side of it, only to say that the assoff vice squad tried to shut my board up a few times....I can't possibly imagine my little shitty, completely insignificant board (and those of you that remember it, know it WAS shitty and it WAS insignificant) was the only board in journey-net that didn't get a 'letter.'

It is what it is...there was a damage control effort out of Nomota, post-JSS. That's for certain.....

However, getting back onto point....having a firm policy of non-disparaging comments towards band members will only end up badly. For music discussion to work, it needs to be free and open....meaning positive AND negative. If things are too negative, an un-stated policy of privately squelching (not squashing) such discusion is far healthier.

Bands and Artists DO release crap and do make crappy decisions....being able to discuss the human, non-musical reasons behind such crap...is most definitely and most relevant to the good online discourse. If a guitarists drinking habits, sexual misconduct or height is responsible for such crap, well then, it *should* be talked about....

There's a reason why the Journey sub-board here has been SO successful for the past several years...and it's NOT because of squashed discussions....

I emplore you to reconsider such a course of action. Back Talk is a pair of undies that doesn't look good on most people....
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Postby RobbieG » Mon May 25, 2009 1:53 am

strangegrey wrote:
Andrew wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
So to that end, I will get serious for a minute. I think I see both sides of this argument. I see and respect that Andrew doesn't want this place to become a den of hatred towards the band....preventing positive discussion from taking foothold.

It really strikes a chord that there appears to be (or has been) a massive fear of Assoff's office and the PRBS (the Pinoy Race-Baiter Strike Force, that so effectively pissed it's cancer into the journey-net a few years ago)....That's just too bad.


Point A - correct

Point B - Not correct.

But you do get it....I just want dicussion (for or against) to be done without calling the band members names. It simply kills the point of the argument in the first place and dimishes any credibility to the point trying to be made.


Um, Andrew, with respect...I think you're missing my point B...and to that extent, you're wrong.

You may think that I am mentioning Point B in reference to you...I'm not. You know for a fact that this issue resonated throughout journey-net (meaning *all* of the public journey boards)....not just this one. So to that end, I *am* correct...to what extent I am correct here...well, I'll speak with absolute certainty that the PRBS ran (runs) rampant here with reckless abandon....I'm not going to touch the other side of it, only to say that the assoff vice squad tried to shut my board up a few times....I can't possibly imagine my little shitty, completely insignificant board (and those of you that remember it, know it WAS shitty and it WAS insignificant) was the only board in journey-net that didn't get a 'letter.'

It is what it is...there was a damage control effort out of Nomota, post-JSS. That's for certain.....

However, getting back onto point....having a firm policy of non-disparaging comments towards band members will only end up badly. For music discussion to work, it needs to be free and open....meaning positive AND negative. If things are too negative, an un-stated policy of privately squelching (not squashing) such discusion is far healthier.

Bands and Artists DO release crap and do make crappy decisions....being able to discuss the human, non-musical reasons behind such crap...is most definitely and most relevant to the good online discourse. If a guitarists drinking habits, sexual misconduct or height is responsible for such crap, well then, it *should* be talked about....

There's a reason why the Journey sub-board here has been SO successful for the past several years...and it's NOT because of squashed discussions....

I emplore you to reconsider such a course of action. Back Talk is a pair of undies that doesn't look good on most people....


Andrew please do not reconsider.
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Postby G.I.Jim » Mon May 25, 2009 1:54 am

strangegrey wrote:
Andrew wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
So to that end, I will get serious for a minute. I think I see both sides of this argument. I see and respect that Andrew doesn't want this place to become a den of hatred towards the band....preventing positive discussion from taking foothold.

It really strikes a chord that there appears to be (or has been) a massive fear of Assoff's office and the PRBS (the Pinoy Race-Baiter Strike Force, that so effectively pissed it's cancer into the journey-net a few years ago)....That's just too bad.


Point A - correct

Point B - Not correct.

But you do get it....I just want dicussion (for or against) to be done without calling the band members names. It simply kills the point of the argument in the first place and dimishes any credibility to the point trying to be made.


Um, Andrew, with respect...I think you're missing my point B...and to that extent, you're wrong.

You may think that I am mentioning Point B in reference to you...I'm not. You know for a fact that this issue resonated throughout journey-net (meaning *all* of the public journey boards)....not just this one. So to that end, I *am* correct...to what extent I am correct here...well, I'll speak with absolute certainty that the PRBS ran (runs) rampant here with reckless abandon....I'm not going to touch the other side of it, only to say that the assoff vice squad tried to shut my board up a few times....I can't possibly imagine my little shitty, completely insignificant board (and those of you that remember it, know it WAS shitty and it WAS insignificant) was the only board in journey-net that didn't get a 'letter.'

It is what it is...there was a damage control effort out of Nomota, post-JSS. That's for certain.....

However, getting back onto point....having a firm policy of non-disparaging comments towards band members will only end up badly. For music discussion to work, it needs to be free and open....meaning positive AND negative. If things are too negative, an un-stated policy of privately squelching (not squashing) such discusion is far healthier.

Bands and Artists DO release crap and do make crappy decisions....being able to discuss the human, non-musical reasons behind such crap...is most definitely and most relevant to the good online discourse. If a guitarists drinking habits, sexual misconduct or height is responsible for such crap, well then, it *should* be talked about....

There's a reason why the Journey sub-board here has been SO successful for the past several years...and it's NOT because of squashed discussions....

I emplore you to reconsider such a course of action. Back Talk is a pair of undies that doesn't look good on most people....


Not to get in the middle of this and speak for Andrew, but he doesn't have an issue with us calling out Journey for making shitty songs or decisions...He's just tired of the "Friga is gay", "Neal changes wives like underwear", etc... These type of statements don't do anything to help either side of the table. Just my $.02

BTW...nice to see you around here stranger. :wink:
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Postby strangegrey » Mon May 25, 2009 2:06 am

Thanks Jim....but I think some are missing my point here....


Those with an understanding of old CB gear will get my point. The squelch knob was sorta like a noise gate in musical equipment. You were able to tune the CB channel so that the *noise* got filtered out, but you still heard relevant stuff....


Just jumping into a post with an out of left field blanket:

"Neal's a midget"

or

"Friga is Gay"


just to stir shit....isn't what I'm referring to.



But when Neal's interpersonal relationships can't be discussed with reference to the quality of the music...well, that's a problem. Hell, fucking Neal himself has addressed that his drinking has had issues on his playing and relationships....why can't we discuss (maturely) whether or not his band has been negatively affected by said drinking as well?


The point I'm making is that by issuing a blanket 'none of this anymore' policy, you end up driving even more people away from here...and even further driving the look and feel of the posting to back talk discourse....hey, if that's what Andrew wants, great...who am I to argue.

I'm just saying there's a better way to do this without the negative affects....
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Postby stevew2 » Mon May 25, 2009 5:02 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
Andrew wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
So to that end, I will get serious for a minute. I think I see both sides of this argument. I see and respect that Andrew doesn't want this place to become a den of hatred towards the band....preventing positive discussion from taking foothold.

It really strikes a chord that there appears to be (or has been) a massive fear of Assoff's office and the PRBS (the Pinoy Race-Baiter Strike Force, that so effectively pissed it's cancer into the journey-net a few years ago)....That's just too bad.


Point A - correct

Point B - Not correct.

But you do get it....I just want dicussion (for or against) to be done without calling the band members names. It simply kills the point of the argument in the first place and dimishes any credibility to the point trying to be made.


Um, Andrew, with respect...I think you're missing my point B...and to that extent, you're wrong.

You may think that I am mentioning Point B in reference to you...I'm not. You know for a fact that this issue resonated throughout journey-net (meaning *all* of the public journey boards)....not just this one. So to that end, I *am* correct...to what extent I am correct here...well, I'll speak with absolute certainty that the PRBS ran (runs) rampant here with reckless abandon....I'm not going to touch the other side of it, only to say that the assoff vice squad tried to shut my board up a few times....I can't possibly imagine my little shitty, completely insignificant board (and those of you that remember it, know it WAS shitty and it WAS insignificant) was the only board in journey-net that didn't get a 'letter.'

It is what it is...there was a damage control effort out of Nomota, post-JSS. That's for certain.....

However, getting back onto point....having a firm policy of non-disparaging comments towards band members will only end up badly. For music discussion to work, it needs to be free and open....meaning positive AND negative. If things are too negative, an un-stated policy of privately squelching (not squashing) such discusion is far healthier.

Bands and Artists DO release crap and do make crappy decisions....being able to discuss the human, non-musical reasons behind such crap...is most definitely and most relevant to the good online discourse. If a guitarists drinking habits, sexual misconduct or height is responsible for such crap, well then, it *should* be talked about....

There's a reason why the Journey sub-board here has been SO successful for the past several years...and it's NOT because of squashed discussions....

I emplore you to reconsider such a course of action. Back Talk is a pair of undies that doesn't look good on most people....


Not to get in the middle of this and speak for Andrew, but he doesn't have an issue with us calling out Journey for making shitty songs or decisions...He's just tired of the "Friga is gay", "Neal changes wives like underwear", etc... These type of statements don't do anything to help either side of the table. Just my $.02

BTW...nice to see you around here stranger. :wink:
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Postby strangegrey » Mon May 25, 2009 5:18 am

stevew2 wrote:Is Friga gay?would you allow him to serve in your patoon Sarge?


Dude, not necessary. I'm trying to post a point of fact...not stir shit. You've made my point above, regarding the posting shit out of left field in an efforts to affect the very thing I was referring to....
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Postby stevew2 » Mon May 25, 2009 5:21 am

People need to lighten up.If people cant take some jokin around then maybe its true
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Postby strangegrey » Mon May 25, 2009 5:26 am

stevew2 wrote:People need to lighten up.If people cant take some jokin around then maybe its true


You got a point there, twinkle toes...maybe a little outing of some of the more anus friendly posters here is a good thing....
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Postby stevew2 » Mon May 25, 2009 8:59 am

strangegrey wrote:
stevew2 wrote:People need to lighten up.If people cant take some jokin around then maybe its true


You got a point there, twinkle toes...maybe a little outing of some of the more anus friendly posters here is a good thing....
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Postby strangegrey » Mon May 25, 2009 9:26 am

stevew2 wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
stevew2 wrote:People need to lighten up.If people cant take some jokin around then maybe its true


You got a point there, twinkle toes...maybe a little outing of some of the more anus friendly posters here is a good thing....
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Postby Saint John » Mon May 25, 2009 9:53 am

You two fucksticks are cracking me up! Nice work. 8)
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Postby strangegrey » Mon May 25, 2009 10:39 am

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Postby Andrew » Mon May 25, 2009 11:06 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
Not to get in the middle of this and speak for Andrew, but he doesn't have an issue with us calling out Journey for making shitty songs or decisions...He's just tired of the "Friga is gay", "Neal changes wives like underwear", etc... These type of statements don't do anything to help either side of the table. Just my $.02

BTW...nice to see you around here stranger. :wink:


Yep...that's about it. Posting such comments while trying to perhaps make a valid point just takes all credibility away from the point attempting to be made and the poster trying to make it.
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Postby Andrew » Mon May 25, 2009 11:08 am

strangegrey wrote:

But when Neal's interpersonal relationships can't be discussed with reference to the quality of the music...well, that's a problem. Hell, fucking Neal himself has addressed that his drinking has had issues on his playing and relationships....why can't we discuss (maturely) whether or not his band has been negatively affected by said drinking as well?


The point I'm making is that by issuing a blanket 'none of this anymore' policy, you end up driving even more people away from here...and even further driving the look and feel of the posting to back talk discourse....hey, if that's what Andrew wants, great...who am I to argue.

I'm just saying there's a better way to do this without the negative affects....


I think you are missing the point. I just want the personal attacks and lame name caling to cease. Other logical debate is welcome.
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Postby Andrew » Mon May 25, 2009 11:09 am

strangegrey wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Is Friga gay?would you allow him to serve in your patoon Sarge?


Dude, not necessary. ....


Couldn't agree more.You are a one trick pony Steve. Lame.
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Postby stevew2 » Mon May 25, 2009 12:07 pm

Andrew wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Is Friga gay?would you allow him to serve in your patoon Sarge?


Dude, not necessary. ....


Couldn't agree more.You are a one trick pony Steve. Lame.
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Postby stevew2 » Mon May 25, 2009 12:08 pm

Saint John wrote:You two fucksticks are cracking me up! Nice work. 8)
fucksticks?? nice touch
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Postby Don » Wed May 27, 2009 4:40 pm

stevew2 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Is Friga gay?would you allow him to serve in your patoon Sarge?


Dude, not necessary. ....


Couldn't agree more.You are a one trick pony Steve. Lame.
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Postby stevew2 » Thu May 28, 2009 4:39 am

Gunbot wrote:
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Andrew wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Is Friga gay?would you allow him to serve in your patoon Sarge?


Dude, not necessary. ....


Couldn't agree more.You are a one trick pony Steve. Lame.
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Postby Andrew » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:51 am

While I appreciate some of the attempts at humor this past 24 hrs, the rest I can live without.

Please keep threads on topic and remember my polite request to keep things respectful and civil.
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