OT - Can we finally call it BS and move on

[Eric]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

[Since 78]

BS!

[Voyager]

"...today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role in global warming..."

Looks like Al Gore needs to do more homework.

[Don]

"...today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role in global warming..."

Looks like Al Gore needs to do more homework.

He probably wiki'ed that shit. Another dope who thinks Wikipedia is the end all for factual information.

[Saint John]

I always found it fascinating that there were dopes that actually thought global warming was man-made. You have to be beyond retarded to be that stupid. Man-made...lol.

[Voyager]

"...today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role in global warming..."

Looks like Al Gore needs to do more homework.

He probably wiki'ed that shit. Another dope who thinks Wikipedia is the end all for factual information.

It was from the article that he posted a link to. Didn't you read it?

[Don]

"...today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role in global warming..."

Looks like Al Gore needs to do more homework.

He probably wiki'ed that shit. Another dope who thinks Wikipedia is the end all for factual information.

It was from the article that he posted a link to. Didn't you read it?

I'm talking about Al Gore.

[Voyager]

"...today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role in global warming..."

Looks like Al Gore needs to do more homework.

He probably wiki'ed that shit. Another dope who thinks Wikipedia is the end all for factual information.

It was from the article that he posted a link to. Didn't you read it?

I'm talking about Al Gore.

[Don]

"...today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role in global warming..."

Looks like Al Gore needs to do more homework.

He probably wiki'ed that shit. Another dope who thinks Wikipedia is the end all for factual information.

It was from the article that he posted a link to. Didn't you read it?

I'm talking about Al Gore.

You also missed my "Off The Wall" comment yesterday. You're either getting slower or my reluctance to use emoticons is having the effect of dooming my posts to continious misinterpretation.

[Voyager]

"...today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role in global warming..."

Looks like Al Gore needs to do more homework.

He probably wiki'ed that shit. Another dope who thinks Wikipedia is the end all for factual information.

It was from the article that he posted a link to. Didn't you read it?

I'm talking about Al Gore.

You also missed my "Off The Wall" comment yesterday. You're either getting slower or my reluctance to use emoticons is having the effect of dooming my posts to continious misinterpretation.

Sometimes I scan posts quickly and probably should read them more carefully before I post a reply.

[strangegrey]

Global warming, or climate change or whatever the fuck the lib/environmental whackos are calling it these days, is like the kid that yells 'the sky is falling'

The problem with their warning cries, is that they have been claiming the world was going to implode for 20 years. Then, they dream up idiotic time-frames for their end of days, and when that day of days comes, we're still here and ocean levels are no different.

Was it Ted Danson in the late 80s that claimed we had 10 years before the oceans gobbled us up?

We're still here and so is Mr Danson.


Fucking idiot.


Global Warning had to get changed to climate change, because right around the time the Global Warming movement lost steam was in the mid 90swhen the northeastern united states had two of the worst blizzards in modern history....all of a sudden, the idiot enviro whackos had to come up with an explanation. So all of a sudden, violent climate swings was a brand new symptom.

Then they needed a new phrase....climate change!

How fucking stupid.


Sorry, this enviromentalist whacko bullshit is the equivalent to Abortion for the right. It's a cause that will hamstring the left until they shed it.....because it will only make them appear like the fucking fools they are, when each successive prediction of gloom and doom goes un-answered...

[Voyager]

The far Right says it doesn't exist, and the far Left wants every industry to retool their factories to prevent it. Somewhere there is a balance, but we're nowhere near one due to all the controversy surrounding the topic.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Yeah, I'd like Al Gore to explain vocanos. The earth is going to do what it wants to do regardless of what we are doing. Something killed off the dinosaurs and it wasn't cars.

[Rhiannon]

The problem with their warning cries, is that they have been claiming the world was going to implode for 20 years. Then, they dream up idiotic time-frames for their end of days, and when that day of days comes, we're still here and ocean levels are no different.

Was it Ted Danson in the late 80s that claimed we had 10 years before the oceans gobbled us up?

We're still here and so is Mr Danson.


Fucking idiot.

Yep. And this is probably the first mention of Ted Danson on the internet ever.
People who acted like that about climate change were drama queens who watched too many movies and were too shallow to find a real cause to put their celebrity behind. Fuck the weather and feed the children. But... ya know. For some reason a starving orphan doesn't garner the chicness that going "green" does.

[BobbyinTN]

Anyone that doesnt' believe man plays a part in the polluting of this planet and damaging it is an idiot.

Get your heads out of your republican leaders asses and learn something on your own without having to be told.

[Don]

The next 10 years are actually going to be colder because of decreased solar activity, according to Scientists.

[Rhiannon]

Anyone that doesnt' believe man plays a part in the polluting of this planet and damaging it is an idiot.

Get your heads out of your republican leaders asses and learn something on your own without having to be told.

And conversely, stop gobbling up any type of political propaganda and realize that climate change has been a constant on this planet since the day it formed. I'm sure the shit we do doesn't help, but there is NOTHING we can do to stop the natural progression of a planet.

What will they say when the sun starts to die? ...Oh wait, it already did a few million years ago.

[BobbyinTN]

Anyone that doesnt' believe man plays a part in the polluting of this planet and damaging it is an idiot.

Get your heads out of your republican leaders asses and learn something on your own without having to be told.

And conversely, stop gobbling up any type of political propaganda and realize that climate change has been a constant on this planet since the day it formed. I'm sure the shit we do doesn't help, but there is NOTHING we can do to stop the natural progression of a planet.

What will they say when the sun starts to die? ...Oh wait, it already did a few million years ago.

That's just not true. We can stop pollutting the oceans to the point of poisoning every living creature in it. We can try recycling more and using less gasoline and trying to be just a little more careful. Claiming there is nothing we can do are the words of quitters and Rhiannon, I don't think you're a quitter and I know you're smart enough to know that those that think we can't do anything about global warming are the same ones who are afraid of losing a dime or two because of restrictions. It's about money, not about global warming.

[Rhiannon]

That's just not true. We can stop pollutting the oceans to the point of poisoning every living creature in it. We can try recycling more and using less gasoline and trying to be just a little more careful. Claiming there is nothing we can do are the words of quitters and Rhiannon, I don't think you're a quitter and I know you're smart enough to know that those that think we can't do anything about global warming are the same ones who are afraid of losing a dime or two because of restrictions. It's about money, not about global warming.

You know what, I agree with you in part. No, we don't have to be slovenly fools putting waste into every natural resource and chopping down every tree. We can be educated consumers and regift what we take. I think carbon balance isn't a bad thing to strive for. But I also know that Earth has had ice ages, warming ages, massive floods, meteor impacts, and will again. And I know it's also a futile endeavor to think anything can be stopped or reversed. It is a indisputable FACT that the human race has numbered days. It is indisputable FACT that the Earth does as well.

The universe is infinitely expanding and our sun began to die the moment it was born. Stars die, the shockwave and resulting blackhole destroy their planetary systems.

We may have a responsibility to our home, but as a race, we're just deluding ourselves with thoughts of "global warming". Because Albie Gore wants you to blame yourself and stop using trash bags and driving your car. It's not going to happen. We're on a proven cooling trend right now. And the idiots who think our planet is going to fry in our lifetime are shitting their pants because most of the studies point to this cooling trend. Climates fluctuate.

Study a little bit on eco-archaeology or paleobotany. Every bit of earth has been tropical, desert, polar, and temperate over the course of the ages.

It's cool to want to be smart about your effect on your world, but it's simply ridiculous to campaign for others to wear jeans made out of recycled bottles because it just isn't going to change anything.

[Sarah]

Global warming may not be true but making our lifestyles more "green" can't hurt, so why not just recycle your beer cans, eat healthier, and support hybrids so we can all save money on gas, if nothing else? That's cool if you don't believe the global warming hype but I don't understand the resistance to changing a few things, hopefully for future generations' benefits.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Global warming may not be true but making our lifestyles more "green" can't hurt, so why not just recycle your beer cans, eat healthier, and support hybrids so we can all save money on gas, if nothing else? That's cool if you don't believe the global warming hype but I don't understand the resistance to changing a few things, hopefully for future generations' benefits.

I missed that eating healthier would help out the planet. Wow, I never knew that was part of their argument. I know cows farting was one of their issues, I guess humans laying off the refried beans may also help the planet too.

[Don]

A little bit OT but has anyone figured out how much it costs to change a battery pack on a hybrid vehicle? Does it negate the savings accumulated from using less gas?

[The Sushi Hunter]

A little bit OT but has anyone figured out how much it costs to change a battery pack on a hybrid vehicle? Does it negate the savings accumulated from using less gas?

The pollution from the power plants working to charge up all the electric cars will be the same if not more then if we would have just been burning gas in the cars anyway.

[hoagiepete]

I don't know about all this...I read that Al the American Mastodon was warning about global warming when the glaciers cutting through what is now the Rocky Mountains were beginning to melt. He cried from every hill top...the world is warming, the world is warming! We are all going to die!

I'll be danged if he wasn't right! The Ice Age ended and so did the existance of the American mastodon.

[Voyager]

I personally believe this process below is going to repeat itself regardless of what mankind does:

[G.I.Jim]

That's just not true. We can stop pollutting the oceans to the point of poisoning every living creature in it. We can try recycling more and using less gasoline and trying to be just a little more careful. Claiming there is nothing we can do are the words of quitters and Rhiannon, I don't think you're a quitter and I know you're smart enough to know that those that think we can't do anything about global warming are the same ones who are afraid of losing a dime or two because of restrictions. It's about money, not about global warming.

You know what, I agree with you in part. No, we don't have to be slovenly fools putting waste into every natural resource and chopping down every tree. We can be educated consumers and regift what we take. I think carbon balance isn't a bad thing to strive for. But I also know that Earth has had ice ages, warming ages, massive floods, meteor impacts, and will again. And I know it's also a futile endeavor to think anything can be stopped or reversed. It is a indisputable FACT that the human race has numbered days. It is indisputable FACT that the Earth does as well.

The universe is infinitely expanding and our sun began to die the moment it was born. Stars die, the shockwave and resulting blackhole destroy their planetary systems.

We may have a responsibility to our home, but as a race, we're just deluding ourselves with thoughts of "global warming". Because Albie Gore wants you to blame yourself and stop using trash bags and driving your car. It's not going to happen. We're on a proven cooling trend right now. And the idiots who think our planet is going to fry in our lifetime are shitting their pants because most of the studies point to this cooling trend. Climates fluctuate.

Study a little bit on eco-archaeology or paleobotany. Every bit of earth has been tropical, desert, polar, and temperate over the course of the ages.

It's cool to want to be smart about your effect on your world, but it's simply ridiculous to campaign for others to wear jeans made out of recycled bottles because it just isn't going to change anything.

I like it when you talk like that!

[swataz]

Funny...a friend of mine and I started a Website a couple of years ago (see my sig) devoted to railing against the man-made GW argument. I haven't posted on my blog in months...why? Because the argument has died. Maybe it is time to dredge it up again with the f**king Pelosi push for that bill to TAX US ALL. Hate her.

[7 Wishes]

Interesting article from the Washington Post:

Data collected over the past 150 years by the 188 members of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) through observing networks of tens of thousands of stations on land, at sea, in the air and from constellations of weather and climate satellites lead to an unequivocal conclusion: The observed increase in global surface temperatures is a manifestation of global warming. Warming has accelerated particularly in the past 20 years.

It is a misinterpretation of the data and of scientific knowledge to point to one year as the warmest on record -- as was done in a recent Post column ["Dark Green Doomsayers," George F. Will, op-ed, Feb. 15] -- and then to extrapolate that cooler subsequent years invalidate the reality of global warming and its effects.

The difference between climate variability and climate change is critical, not just for scientists or those engaging in policy debates about warming. Just as one cold snap does not change the global warming trend, one heat wave does not reinforce it. Since the beginning of the 20th century, the global average surface temperature has risen 1.33 degrees Fahrenheit.

Evidence of global warming has been documented in widespread decreases in snow cover, sea ice and glaciers. The 11 warmest years on record occurred in the past 13 years.

While variations occur throughout the temperature record, shorter-term variations do not contradict the overwhelming long-term increase in global surface temperatures since 1850, when reliable meteorological recordkeeping began. Year to year, we may observe in some parts of the world colder or warmer episodes than in other parts, leading to record low or high temperatures. This regional climate variability does not disprove long-term climate change. While 2008 was slightly cooler than 2007, partially due to a La Niña event, it was nonetheless the 10th-warmest year on record.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, co-sponsored by the WMO, has confirmed through observations and increasingly sophisticated and realistic models that regional variability has increased and will continue to increase as global surface temperatures rise. This is likely to result in more weather and climate extremes, such as droughts, floods, storms and heat waves. Responding to these challenges will require the collaborative efforts of all countries and of scientists in multiple disciplines to develop adaptation strategies to reduce the risk of disaster. This topic is scheduled for discussion at the World Climate Conference-3 beginning Aug. 31 in Geneva.

Then again, so is this:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/

Who the fuck knows anything anymore? Theoretical science is inherently flawed. Look at the Sphynx-first neo-Egyptologists versus the traditionalists, the Clovis-First theorists pitted against the Topper / Paisley subscribers...the more empirical and readily observable the hypothesis, the more likely another group is to retreat behind the proverbial (and ironically named) shield of Occam's Razor. There will be less and less consensus scientifically, theoretically, philosophically, politically, and spiritually as abject polarization is eroded by the vacuum of absolutism. My own opinions have become more malleable as the years have progressed, as sardonicism replaces my desire to ascribe to absolutisms.

[RedWingFan]

Global warming may not be true but making our lifestyles more "green" can't hurt, so why not just recycle your beer cans, eat healthier, and support hybrids so we can all save money on gas, if nothing else?

If you want to do all that? More power to you. The problem with it is, eventually you have politicians enforcing this garbage on you. It's all about stripping your freedoms. First they have to find enough idiots to support a stupid cause with fear.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... d=rss.news

Throwing orange peels, coffee grounds and grease-stained pizza boxes in the trash will be against the law in San Francisco, and could even lead to a fine.

The Board of Supervisors voted 9-2 Tuesday to approve Mayor Gavin Newsom's proposal for the most comprehensive mandatory composting and recycling law in the country. It's an aggressive push to cut greenhouse gas emissions and have the city sending nothing to landfills or incinerators by 2020.

"San Francisco has the best recycling and composting programs in the nation," Newsom said, praising the board's vote on a plan that some residents had decried as heavy-handed and impractical. "We can build on our success."

The ordinance is expected to take effect this fall. The legislation calls for every residence and business in the city to have three separate color-coded bins for waste: blue for recycling, green for compost and black for trash.

Failing to properly sort your refuse could result in a fine after several warnings, but Newsom and other officials say fines will only be levied in the most egregious cases.

Fines for almost all residential customers and many small businesses - anyone who generates less than a cubic yard of refuse a week - are initially capped at $100. Businesses that don't have proper bins face escalating fines up to $500.

[Sarah]

Global warming may not be true but making our lifestyles more "green" can't hurt, so why not just recycle your beer cans, eat healthier, and support hybrids so we can all save money on gas, if nothing else?

If you want to do all that? More power to you. The problem with it is, eventually you have politicians enforcing this garbage on you. It's all about stripping your freedoms. First they have to find enough idiots to support a stupid cause with fear.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... d=rss.news

Throwing orange peels, coffee grounds and grease-stained pizza boxes in the trash will be against the law in San Francisco, and could even lead to a fine.

The Board of Supervisors voted 9-2 Tuesday to approve Mayor Gavin Newsom's proposal for the most comprehensive mandatory composting and recycling law in the country. It's an aggressive push to cut greenhouse gas emissions and have the city sending nothing to landfills or incinerators by 2020.

"San Francisco has the best recycling and composting programs in the nation," Newsom said, praising the board's vote on a plan that some residents had decried as heavy-handed and impractical. "We can build on our success."

The ordinance is expected to take effect this fall. The legislation calls for every residence and business in the city to have three separate color-coded bins for waste: blue for recycling, green for compost and black for trash.

Failing to properly sort your refuse could result in a fine after several warnings, but Newsom and other officials say fines will only be levied in the most egregious cases.

Fines for almost all residential customers and many small businesses - anyone who generates less than a cubic yard of refuse a week - are initially capped at $100. Businesses that don't have proper bins face escalating fines up to $500.

So? When I was a kid we had lessons on the time it takes to decompose plastic, and the benefits of recycling. If people still haven't changed their ways given years of suggestions, maybe it is time to force their hand a little bit. Again, it's for the good of the FUTURE, I hate to see that people are being selfish because they don't want to conserve energy/gas on principle of "I can do whatever I want lol fuck everyone else". Even if it doesn't end up making a perfect future, as I said it can't do any harm to try.

As for eating better, Sushi Hunter: I don't know if that's a talking point so don't start treating it as such, I just threw it in there because again... it can't hurt to buy organic and such. I don't always, but those chemicals can't be much good for the air or the body. I'm not on board with McDonald's downsizing meals or anything but I would just love to see people making healthy choices in general.