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Postby steveo777 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:16 am

What will they do with all the money?

I counted 65 concerts this year.

Wonder what the average take is per gig? :lol:

I wonder if they all get together in a little dimly lit room on Sept 30th and divy up the duckets, then go their separate ways. 8)
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Re: $$$$$$ - a sweet year 2009 is

Postby Voyager » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:18 am

steveo777 wrote:What will they do with all the money?


Send it all to Steve Perry for paving the road to riches for them?

:lol: :lol:
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Postby steveo777 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:19 am

Voyager wrote:
steveo777 wrote:What will they do with all the money?


Send it all to Steve Perry for paving the road to riches for them?

:lol: :lol:


Not so quick, don't they have to pay Ass-off first? :lol:
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Re: $$$$$$ - a sweet year 2009 is

Postby strangegrey » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:21 am

steveo777 wrote:What will they do with all the money?


Pay Arnel his 7.15 an hour.
Pay assoff his 50%
Pay Neal's 5 ex-wives their share.
Watch Friga, Valory and Deen enter a cage match to fight over the scraps....
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Postby brywool » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:24 am

Voyager wrote:
steveo777 wrote:What will they do with all the money?


Send it all to Steve Perry for paving the road to riches for them?

:lol: :lol:


Didn't they already do this during the Augeri years?
NO. He's NOT Steve F'ing Perry. But he's Arnel F'ing Pineda and I'm okay with that.
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Re: $$$$$$ - a sweet year 2009 is

Postby steveo777 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:26 am

strangegrey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:What will they do with all the money?


Pay Arnel his 7.15 an hour.
Pay assoff his 50%
Pay Neal's 5 ex-wives their share.
Watch Friga, Valory and Deen enter a cage match to fight over the scraps....


I think he gets a bit more than that because they have to pay him per-diem while they're on the road. I hope it's in USD :wink:
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Re: $$$$$$ - a sweet year 2009 is

Postby portland » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:27 am

strangegrey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:What will they do with all the money?


Pay Arnel his 7.15 an hour.
Pay assoff his 50%
Pay Neal's 5 ex-wives their share.
Watch Friga, Valory and Deen enter a cage match to fight over the scraps....






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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:39 am

Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.
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Postby RocknRoll » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:47 am

Gunbot wrote:Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:53 am

RocknRoll wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.


I left a lot off that list. When you think of all the shows that Journey did with Augeri and the sold out shows with Def Leppard and JSS, it looks like they should billionaires already, but then you realise how many people make the tour happen and how many slices to the pie there actually are. Of course they will make major dollars but the number of dollars the band actually puts in its pocket is quite a bit from the billboard total that's announced at the end of the year.
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Postby RocknRoll » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:03 am

Gunbot wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.


I left a lot off that list. When you think of all the shows that Journey did with Augeri and the sold out shows with Def Leppard and JSS, it looks like they should billionaires already, but then you realise how many people make the tour happen and how many slices to the pie there actually are. Of course they will make major dollars but the number of dollars the band actually puts in its pocket is quite a bit from the billboard total that's announced at the end of the year.


...and the fact that they need money in the band account to be able to finance rehearsals, studios, distribution etc for any new album if they plan on doing it on their own again, although hopefully they should be able to finance that from sales of Revelation.
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Re: $$$$$$ - a sweet year 2009 is

Postby Jana » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:10 am

strangegrey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:What will they do with all the money?


Pay Arnel his 7.15 an hour.
Pay assoff his 50%
Pay Neal's 5 ex-wives their share.
Watch Friga, Valory and Deen enter a cage match to fight over the scraps....


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby KenTheDude » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:24 am

I once heard that the rental for just ONE of the tour buses runs about $8,000 a WEEK! (not a month!) :shock: :shock:
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:27 am

RocknRoll wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.


Exactly. Playing to 1,500 here and 1,200 there, they might even fall into the negative. It's about trying to set up the next album for sales in Europe. Most of the the heavy metal acts Journey performed with sell better over there than they do in the States while Journey does the opposite as far as album sales go. With total album sales going down in the states as artists rely on that one hit that generates mega digital downloads, Europe is the place to go to sell actual CD's if you're not going to go the itunes route, but even that is changing quickly.
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Postby mdaemon » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:29 am

Gunbot wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.


I left a lot off that list. When you think of all the shows that Journey did with Augeri and the sold out shows with Def Leppard and JSS, it looks like they should billionaires already, but then you realise how many people make the tour happen and how many slices to the pie there actually are. Of course they will make major dollars but the number of dollars the band actually puts in its pocket is quite a bit from the billboard total that's announced at the end of the year.


Arnel also hired an American firm to represent him in his dealings with Journey.
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:31 am

mdaemon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.


I left a lot off that list. When you think of all the shows that Journey did with Augeri and the sold out shows with Def Leppard and JSS, it looks like they should billionaires already, but then you realise how many people make the tour happen and how many slices to the pie there actually are. Of course they will make major dollars but the number of dollars the band actually puts in its pocket is quite a bit from the billboard total that's announced at the end of the year.


Arnel also hired an American firm to represent him in his dealings with Journey.


I didn't know that. I thought him being officially named as a fulltime member of the band would eliminate the need for something like that.
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Postby mdaemon » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:41 am

Gunbot wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.


I left a lot off that list. When you think of all the shows that Journey did with Augeri and the sold out shows with Def Leppard and JSS, it looks like they should billionaires already, but then you realise how many people make the tour happen and how many slices to the pie there actually are. Of course they will make major dollars but the number of dollars the band actually puts in its pocket is quite a bit from the billboard total that's announced at the end of the year.


Arnel also hired an American firm to represent him in his dealings with Journey.


I didn't know that. I thought him being officially named as a fulltime member of the band would eliminate the need for something like that.


From http://arnelpineda.multiply.com/notes/item/11


APIFS: As his manager, what is your role in his present career? What's different with your handling AP now with Journey when he was then with Zoo Band.
BDL: Arnel is now pretty much in the hands of Journey and the team…they've embraced him as one of the guys and they really take good care of him. My role is to see to it that Arnel is protected legally and contractually which is why we hired the services of an entertainment lawyer in LA to represent us in our dealing with Journey's management team and business firm. On the personal level, nothing much has changed between Arnel and myself…inspite of the distance, since I cannot be with him all the time now that he's on the road, we continue to communicate and I still give him advice on how to handle certain situations that he's not familiar with. A lot of things are new to him, in fact, even to me…so we make it a point to discuss and iron out any potential problems and we talk a lot about the future and how this great opportunity will change his and his family's lives in a positive way. We are not just the typical artist-manager relationship, we're more like brother to brother or even father and son in the way we deal

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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:46 am

mdaemon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.


I left a lot off that list. When you think of all the shows that Journey did with Augeri and the sold out shows with Def Leppard and JSS, it looks like they should billionaires already, but then you realise how many people make the tour happen and how many slices to the pie there actually are. Of course they will make major dollars but the number of dollars the band actually puts in its pocket is quite a bit from the billboard total that's announced at the end of the year.


Arnel also hired an American firm to represent him in his dealings with Journey.


I didn't know that. I thought him being officially named as a fulltime member of the band would eliminate the need for something like that.


From http://arnelpineda.multiply.com/notes/item/11


APIFS: As his manager, what is your role in his present career? What's different with your handling AP now with Journey when he was then with Zoo Band.
BDL: Arnel is now pretty much in the hands of Journey and the team…they've embraced him as one of the guys and they really take good care of him. My role is to see to it that Arnel is protected legally and contractually which is why we hired the services of an entertainment lawyer in LA to represent us in our dealing with Journey's management team and business firm. On the personal level, nothing much has changed between Arnel and myself…inspite of the distance, since I cannot be with him all the time now that he's on the road, we continue to communicate and I still give him advice on how to handle certain situations that he's not familiar with. A lot of things are new to him, in fact, even to me…so we make it a point to discuss and iron out any potential problems and we talk a lot about the future and how this great opportunity will change his and his family's lives in a positive way. We are not just the typical artist-manager relationship, we're more like brother to brother or even father and son in the way we deal



So Bert remains his manager and is responsible for this L.A. team. I wonder how much their retainer fee is?
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Postby steveo777 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:57 am

Gunbot wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.


I left a lot off that list. When you think of all the shows that Journey did with Augeri and the sold out shows with Def Leppard and JSS, it looks like they should billionaires already, but then you realise how many people make the tour happen and how many slices to the pie there actually are. Of course they will make major dollars but the number of dollars the band actually puts in its pocket is quite a bit from the billboard total that's announced at the end of the year.


Arnel also hired an American firm to represent him in his dealings with Journey.


I didn't know that. I thought him being officially named as a fulltime member of the band would eliminate the need for something like that.


From http://arnelpineda.multiply.com/notes/item/11


APIFS: As his manager, what is your role in his present career? What's different with your handling AP now with Journey when he was then with Zoo Band.
BDL: Arnel is now pretty much in the hands of Journey and the team…they've embraced him as one of the guys and they really take good care of him. My role is to see to it that Arnel is protected legally and contractually which is why we hired the services of an entertainment lawyer in LA to represent us in our dealing with Journey's management team and business firm. On the personal level, nothing much has changed between Arnel and myself…inspite of the distance, since I cannot be with him all the time now that he's on the road, we continue to communicate and I still give him advice on how to handle certain situations that he's not familiar with. A lot of things are new to him, in fact, even to me…so we make it a point to discuss and iron out any potential problems and we talk a lot about the future and how this great opportunity will change his and his family's lives in a positive way. We are not just the typical artist-manager relationship, we're more like brother to brother or even father and son in the way we deal



So Bert remains his manager and is responsible for this L.A. team. I wonder how much their retainer fee is?


I'm glad so see mention that the band takes good care of Arnel and that they have embraced him as one of the guys. :D
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Postby RocknRoll » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:13 am

mdaemon wrote:APIFS: As his manager, what is your role in his present career? What's different with your handling AP now with Journey when he was then with Zoo Band.
BDL: Arnel is now pretty much in the hands of Journey and the team…they've embraced him as one of the guys and they really take good care of him. My role is to see to it that Arnel is protected legally and contractually which is why we hired the services of an entertainment lawyer in LA to represent us in our dealing with Journey's management team and business firm. On the personal level, nothing much has changed between Arnel and myself…inspite of the distance, since I cannot be with him all the time now that he's on the road, we continue to communicate and I still give him advice on how to handle certain situations that he's not familiar with. A lot of things are new to him, in fact, even to me…so we make it a point to discuss and iron out any potential problems and we talk a lot about the future and how this great opportunity will change his and his family's lives in a positive way. We are not just the typical artist-manager relationship, we're more like brother to brother or even father and son in the way we deal



Looks like this was way before AP became a band member. I do remember something about hiring LA lawyers to deal with the tax issues as well.
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:17 am

RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:APIFS: As his manager, what is your role in his present career? What's different with your handling AP now with Journey when he was then with Zoo Band.
BDL: Arnel is now pretty much in the hands of Journey and the team…they've embraced him as one of the guys and they really take good care of him. My role is to see to it that Arnel is protected legally and contractually which is why we hired the services of an entertainment lawyer in LA to represent us in our dealing with Journey's management team and business firm. On the personal level, nothing much has changed between Arnel and myself…inspite of the distance, since I cannot be with him all the time now that he's on the road, we continue to communicate and I still give him advice on how to handle certain situations that he's not familiar with. A lot of things are new to him, in fact, even to me…so we make it a point to discuss and iron out any potential problems and we talk a lot about the future and how this great opportunity will change his and his family's lives in a positive way. We are not just the typical artist-manager relationship, we're more like brother to brother or even father and son in the way we deal



Looks like this was way before AP became a band member. I do remember something about hiring LA lawyers to deal with the tax issues as well.


Yeah, working for a U.S. employer, he doesn't want the IRS showing up at his hotel door for back taxes.
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Postby steveo777 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:17 am

RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:APIFS: As his manager, what is your role in his present career? What's different with your handling AP now with Journey when he was then with Zoo Band.
BDL: Arnel is now pretty much in the hands of Journey and the team…they've embraced him as one of the guys and they really take good care of him. My role is to see to it that Arnel is protected legally and contractually which is why we hired the services of an entertainment lawyer in LA to represent us in our dealing with Journey's management team and business firm. On the personal level, nothing much has changed between Arnel and myself…inspite of the distance, since I cannot be with him all the time now that he's on the road, we continue to communicate and I still give him advice on how to handle certain situations that he's not familiar with. A lot of things are new to him, in fact, even to me…so we make it a point to discuss and iron out any potential problems and we talk a lot about the future and how this great opportunity will change his and his family's lives in a positive way. We are not just the typical artist-manager relationship, we're more like brother to brother or even father and son in the way we deal



Looks like this was way before AP became a band member. I do remember something about hiring LA lawyers to deal with the tax issues as well.


He would need lawyers in the USA anyways because his foundation is incorporated in the state of California.
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Postby mdaemon » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:20 am

RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:APIFS: As his manager, what is your role in his present career? What's different with your handling AP now with Journey when he was then with Zoo Band.
BDL: Arnel is now pretty much in the hands of Journey and the team…they've embraced him as one of the guys and they really take good care of him. My role is to see to it that Arnel is protected legally and contractually which is why we hired the services of an entertainment lawyer in LA to represent us in our dealing with Journey's management team and business firm. On the personal level, nothing much has changed between Arnel and myself…inspite of the distance, since I cannot be with him all the time now that he's on the road, we continue to communicate and I still give him advice on how to handle certain situations that he's not familiar with. A lot of things are new to him, in fact, even to me…so we make it a point to discuss and iron out any potential problems and we talk a lot about the future and how this great opportunity will change his and his family's lives in a positive way. We are not just the typical artist-manager relationship, we're more like brother to brother or even father and son in the way we deal



Looks like this was way before AP became a band member. I do remember something about hiring LA lawyers to deal with the tax issues as well.


There is no point in him hiring an expensive American firm if he isn't assured of the Journey gig yet.
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Postby strangegrey » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:23 am

Gunbot wrote:Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.


Yeah, there's a guy worth every penny! :roll:

I wonder how much of De Leon's income goes to his slander operations out of manila.
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:45 am

From what I can recall during my days at a certain Music company, the average* Rockstar makes about 250k after taxes (sponsorship deals and Songwriting royalties excluded) How much does Arnel make after paying out these guys and putting money into support costs for his charity foundation? Add in the cost of living in a warm weather area like California and it's no wonder AP doesn't want to live in the states. I'm sure that despite the current success, he is realistic and knows Journey is in the twilight of it's career, and he needs to plan ahead accordingly.

*Above average being Springsteen, Madonna, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, etc.
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Postby Jana » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:49 am

Gunbot wrote:From what I can recall during my days at a certain Music company, the average* Rockstar makes about 250k after taxes (sponsorship deals and Songwriting royalties excluded) How much does Arnel make after paying out these guys and putting money into support costs for his charity foundation? Add in the cost of living in a warm weather area like California and it's no wonder AP doesn't want to live in the states. I'm sure that despite the current success, he is realistic and knows Journey is in the twilight of it's career, and he needs to plan ahead accordingly.

*Above average being Springsteen, Madonna, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, etc.


I figured maybe half a million last year. It will be more this year. What that half a mil, if I'm right, dwindled down to after management fees I don't know. But this year I think he's paid more as a full member of the band.
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Postby strangegrey » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:52 am

Gunbot wrote:From what I can recall during my days at a certain Music company, the average* Rockstar makes about 250k after taxes (sponsorship deals and Songwriting royalties excluded) How much does Arnel make after paying out these guys and putting money into support costs for his charity foundation? Add in the cost of living in a warm weather area like California and it's no wonder AP doesn't want to live in the states. I'm sure that despite the current success, he is realistic and knows Journey is in the twilight of it's career, and he needs to plan ahead accordingly.



Wait, I thought, according to some here...that the band is better than ever and achieving more success than any other effort since 1996? :?:
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Postby steveo777 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:02 am

strangegrey wrote:
Gunbot wrote:From what I can recall during my days at a certain Music company, the average* Rockstar makes about 250k after taxes (sponsorship deals and Songwriting royalties excluded) How much does Arnel make after paying out these guys and putting money into support costs for his charity foundation? Add in the cost of living in a warm weather area like California and it's no wonder AP doesn't want to live in the states. I'm sure that despite the current success, he is realistic and knows Journey is in the twilight of it's career, and he needs to plan ahead accordingly.



Wait, I thought, according to some here...that the band is better than ever and achieving more success than any other effort since 1996? :?:


Arnel is not going to gamble that Ross will still be up there playing that bass at 80? No!!!1 :twisted:
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:12 am

steveo777 wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
Gunbot wrote:From what I can recall during my days at a certain Music company, the average* Rockstar makes about 250k after taxes (sponsorship deals and Songwriting royalties excluded) How much does Arnel make after paying out these guys and putting money into support costs for his charity foundation? Add in the cost of living in a warm weather area like California and it's no wonder AP doesn't want to live in the states. I'm sure that despite the current success, he is realistic and knows Journey is in the twilight of it's career, and he needs to plan ahead accordingly.



Wait, I thought, according to some here...that the band is better than ever and achieving more success than any other effort since 1996? :?:


Arnel is not going to gamble that Ross will still be up there playing that bass at 80? No!!!1 :twisted:


Unless they're going to pitch in to buy Jackson's De-Aging Hyperbolic Oxygen chamber.
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:39 am

Jana wrote:
Gunbot wrote:From what I can recall during my days at a certain Music company, the average* Rockstar makes about 250k after taxes (sponsorship deals and Songwriting royalties excluded) How much does Arnel make after paying out these guys and putting money into support costs for his charity foundation? Add in the cost of living in a warm weather area like California and it's no wonder AP doesn't want to live in the states. I'm sure that despite the current success, he is realistic and knows Journey is in the twilight of it's career, and he needs to plan ahead accordingly.

*Above average being Springsteen, Madonna, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, etc.


I figured maybe half a million last year. It will be more this year. What that half a mil, if I'm right, dwindled down to after management fees I don't know. But this year I think he's paid more as a full member of the band.


He will probably be given a bigger cut this year but remember, they are playing venues like the state fair this year which probably don't pay as much, and Revelation is dead as far as sales go. The pay increase might make him draw even with last year's totals though.
I do think if he gets his own bus to travel with his family, that will cost him something. I just can't see the other band members absorbing those costs on their own. Deen and Ross don't have the luxury of a secondary royalty income that Neal and Jon do, it would not be fair.
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