$$$$$$ - a sweet year 2009 is

[Eric]

From what I can recall during my days at a certain Music company, the average* Rockstar makes about 250k after taxes (sponsorship deals and Songwriting royalties excluded) How much does Arnel make after paying out these guys and putting money into support costs for his charity foundation? Add in the cost of living in a warm weather area like California and it's no wonder AP doesn't want to live in the states. I'm sure that despite the current success, he is realistic and knows Journey is in the twilight of it's career, and he needs to plan ahead accordingly.

Wait, I thought, according to some here...that the band is better than ever and achieving more success than any other effort since 1996?

Since '83. This band is better than in '86 and '96....and they are nearly as successful as '86.

[strangegrey]

Since '83. This band is better than in '86 and '96....and they are nearly as successful as '86.

Wow, crystal meth can ruin a life! Be careful!

[Chubby321]

Here is a short list. Don't forget for certain upcoming shows Heart and Night Ranger will need to get paid also.

PER DIEMS* ( paid to touring crew to cover living expenses, food etc.)
ACCOMMODATION
TRANSPORT
SOUND
LIGHTING
BACK LINE
PRODUCTION
REHEARSALS
FOREIGN ARTIST TAX
MANAGEMENT COMMISION
AGENTS COMMISSION

Pineda probably has a portion of his share going to Bert De Leon, as he is still under contract with him.
I would think that Journey would buy out that contract, but since Arnel is steadfast in his desire to maintain the Philippines as his domicile, he will need De leon's representation for any TV appearances and such he does back at home.

Also, bands normally receive a fixed fix for festivals and since they were not originally headlining any of those festivals, I would expect that the fees barely exceeded their tour expenses, if that. IMO Europe was strickly for exposure, not money. Also, GB it looks like you left off locals crews for set-up/tear down.

That's probably true.

[Don]

From what I can recall during my days at a certain Music company, the average* Rockstar makes about 250k after taxes (sponsorship deals and Songwriting royalties excluded) How much does Arnel make after paying out these guys and putting money into support costs for his charity foundation? Add in the cost of living in a warm weather area like California and it's no wonder AP doesn't want to live in the states. I'm sure that despite the current success, he is realistic and knows Journey is in the twilight of it's career, and he needs to plan ahead accordingly.

Wait, I thought, according to some here...that the band is better than ever and achieving more success than any other effort since 1996?

Since '83. This band is better than in '86 and '96....and they are nearly as successful as '86.

96 yes, 86 no . They had four top 20 hits plus one other song in the Hot 100. The album sold 2 million copies. They played sold out arenas, not amphitheaters or state fairs during that tour also.
I am not a fan of Raised On Radio but to say they came close to ROR's success last year doesn't add up. As far as touring goes Revelation's tour barely surpassed what they did in 2006 even though they had to change singers mid tour that year.
They're doing well but to compare it to anything they did in the 80's, I don't see it. Back then, you heard Journey at least three times a day, either on MTV, or the radio. I haven't heard a Revelation song on the radio in months here in LA. Plenty of classic Journey but nothing past ROR on a regular basis.

I think ROR sucked but anyone actually into Journey in 1986, realizes they were still a force in music, albeit slowly becoming irrelevant but still on life support.

[strangegrey]

I disagree with 96. WHile Perry fucked the band....that is not in dispute....

...the fact remains that the album, with zero promotion got a grammy nod, and went platinum. Journey and Walmart had been working Rev HARD for a fucking year, just to come close to what TBF did.

Had TBF been properly toured and supported, it would have yielded a far greater result...but even with out it, TBF was instantly what Rev took several months (up to a year) of promotion to get close to.....

It's not Perry's best work, by a long shot....but the group of Perry, Valory, Cain, Schlong, and Smith will blow away the current incarnation of the band as it currently stands or stood between 96-today.


Sorry, anyone trying to compare this band to 1978-1896,96 is high on very bad drugs. Get a methadone tank....

[strangegrey]

Let's also not forget that TBF didn't need a second disc of re-recorded songs, just to measure up....

[G.I.Jim]

I disagree with 96. WHile Perry fucked the band....that is not in dispute....

...the fact remains that the album, with zero promotion got a grammy nod, and went platinum. Journey and Walmart had been working Rev HARD for a fucking year, just to come close to what TBF did.

Had TBF been properly toured and supported, it would have yielded a far greater result...but even with out it, TBF was instantly what Rev took several months (up to a year) of promotion to get close to.....

It's not Perry's best work, by a long shot....but the group of Perry, Valory, Cain, Schlong, and Smith will blow away the current incarnation of the band as it currently stands or stood between 96-today.


Sorry, anyone trying to compare this band to 1978-1896,96 is high on very bad drugs. Get a methadone tank....

I agree with everything you just posted except the drugs part...people can just be crazy you know!

[RossValoryRocks]

They probably make more per show INDIVIDUALLY than any of us make in a year...

[stevew2]

Perry wil be chilling

[RossValoryRocks]

Perry wil be chilling

Perry only gets paid for the song royalties...he doesn't get a cut any longer...

[Don]

Perry wil be chilling

Perry only gets paid for the song royalties...he doesn't get a cut any longer...

He gets paid for the back catalog sales and digital downloads of those catalogs along with ASCAP and BMI fees for radio, video and other performance royalties, I would think.

As far as touring revenue, I agree with you. He gets nothing.

[steveo777]

Perry wil be chilling

Perry only gets paid for the song royalties...he doesn't get a cut any longer...

He gets paid for the back catalog sales and digital downloads of those catalogs along with ASCAP and BMI fees for radio, video and other performance royalties, I would think.

As far as touring revenue, I agree with you. He gets nothing.

As it should be at this point in time. Hell he hasn't been on a stage in a very long time.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Since '83. This band is better than in '86 and '96....and they are nearly as successful as '86.

Wow, crystal meth can ruin a life! Be careful!

I read it can rot out your teeth as well!

[squirt1]

Eric-Either you did not see how huge the band was in the 80's or you are a loon for the cover band called Journey.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Eric-Either you did not see how huge the band was in the 80's or you are a loon for the cover band called Journey.

The cover band that has brought out 3 and 1/2 new albums in the past ten years?

If Perry was singing Journey songs now on his own.. would he be a tribute singer?

[squirt1]

Youkeepmewaiting- The point I was answering to Eric was how HUGE they were with Perry in the late 70's and 80's. 3 and 1/2 albums that got little to no airplay and small venues is why I call them their own tribute band. Any crowd they draw is with 1 or 2 other bands. Yes, a 3 way split. Not good but better than nothing. I remember reading yrs ago their schudule. They sold out at the LA Colesium 5 nights in a row and that = 500,000 tickets. This Journey is not in that league and never will be. Check out the ROR crowds . Have a great 4th !

[Saint John]

Youkeepmewaiting- The point I was answering to Eric was how HUGE they were with Perry in the late 70's and 80's. 3 and 1/2 albums that got little to no airplay and small venues is why I call them their own tribute band. Any crowd they draw is with 1 or 2 other bands. Yes, a 3 way split. Not good but better than nothing. I remember reading yrs ago their schudule. They sold out at the LA Colesium 5 nights in a row and that = 500,000 tickets. This Journey is not in that league and never will be. Check out the ROR crowds . Have a great 4th !

I suppose Perry and his 3/4 filled 2,000 seat amphitheatre tour did better?

[Chubby321]

Youkeepmewaiting- The point I was answering to Eric was how HUGE they were with Perry in the late 70's and 80's. 3 and 1/2 albums that got little to no airplay and small venues is why I call them their own tribute band. Any crowd they draw is with 1 or 2 other bands. Yes, a 3 way split. Not good but better than nothing. I remember reading yrs ago their schudule. They sold out at the LA Colesium 5 nights in a row and that = 500,000 tickets. This Journey is not in that league and never will be. Check out the ROR crowds . Have a great 4th !

I suppose Perry and his 3/4 filled 2,000 seat amphitheatre tour did better?

POW !!!!!

[Don]

Youkeepmewaiting- The point I was answering to Eric was how HUGE they were with Perry in the late 70's and 80's. 3 and 1/2 albums that got little to no airplay and small venues is why I call them their own tribute band. Any crowd they draw is with 1 or 2 other bands. Yes, a 3 way split. Not good but better than nothing. I remember reading yrs ago their schudule. They sold out at the LA Colesium 5 nights in a row and that = 500,000 tickets. This Journey is not in that league and never will be. Check out the ROR crowds . Have a great 4th !

I suppose Perry and his 3/4 filled 2,000 seat amphitheatre tour did better?

POW !!!!!

Don't make me POW!! you back. Matching Arnel's solo career to Perry's might make for some entertaining reading.

[Chubby321]

Youkeepmewaiting- The point I was answering to Eric was how HUGE they were with Perry in the late 70's and 80's. 3 and 1/2 albums that got little to no airplay and small venues is why I call them their own tribute band. Any crowd they draw is with 1 or 2 other bands. Yes, a 3 way split. Not good but better than nothing. I remember reading yrs ago their schudule. They sold out at the LA Colesium 5 nights in a row and that = 500,000 tickets. This Journey is not in that league and never will be. Check out the ROR crowds . Have a great 4th !

I suppose Perry and his 3/4 filled 2,000 seat amphitheatre tour did better?

POW !!!!!

Don't make me POW!! you back. Matching Arnel's solo career to Perry's might make for some entertaining reading.

The plokkers can do better than 2,000.....that I guarantee...

[Don]

Youkeepmewaiting- The point I was answering to Eric was how HUGE they were with Perry in the late 70's and 80's. 3 and 1/2 albums that got little to no airplay and small venues is why I call them their own tribute band. Any crowd they draw is with 1 or 2 other bands. Yes, a 3 way split. Not good but better than nothing. I remember reading yrs ago their schudule. They sold out at the LA Colesium 5 nights in a row and that = 500,000 tickets. This Journey is not in that league and never will be. Check out the ROR crowds . Have a great 4th !

I suppose Perry and his 3/4 filled 2,000 seat amphitheatre tour did better?

POW !!!!!

Don't make me POW!! you back. Matching Arnel's solo career to Perry's might make for some entertaining reading.

The plokkers can do better than 2,000.....that I guarantee...

For 50 shows?
Okay.

[Chubby321]

Youkeepmewaiting- The point I was answering to Eric was how HUGE they were with Perry in the late 70's and 80's. 3 and 1/2 albums that got little to no airplay and small venues is why I call them their own tribute band. Any crowd they draw is with 1 or 2 other bands. Yes, a 3 way split. Not good but better than nothing. I remember reading yrs ago their schudule. They sold out at the LA Colesium 5 nights in a row and that = 500,000 tickets. This Journey is not in that league and never will be. Check out the ROR crowds . Have a great 4th !

I suppose Perry and his 3/4 filled 2,000 seat amphitheatre tour did better?

POW !!!!!

Don't make me POW!! you back. Matching Arnel's solo career to Perry's might make for some entertaining reading.

The plokkers can do better than 2,000.....that I guarantee...

For 50 shows?
Okay.

I don't think he will do that many tours, only a few here and there after Journey......btw, the charity shows drew a lot of people and we was not even that famous yet.

Or maybe he'll have regular shows at Hard Rock Cafe or Bagaberde.

[steveo777]

Youkeepmewaiting- The point I was answering to Eric was how HUGE they were with Perry in the late 70's and 80's. 3 and 1/2 albums that got little to no airplay and small venues is why I call them their own tribute band. Any crowd they draw is with 1 or 2 other bands. Yes, a 3 way split. Not good but better than nothing. I remember reading yrs ago their schudule. They sold out at the LA Colesium 5 nights in a row and that = 500,000 tickets. This Journey is not in that league and never will be. Check out the ROR crowds . Have a great 4th !

I suppose Perry and his 3/4 filled 2,000 seat amphitheatre tour did better?

POW !!!!!

Don't make me POW!! you back. Matching Arnel's solo career to Perry's might make for some entertaining reading.

The plokkers can do better than 2,000.....that I guarantee...

For 50 shows?
Okay.

I don't think he will do that many tours, only a few here and there after Journey......btw, the charity shows drew a lot of people and we was not even that famous yet.

Or maybe he'll have regular shows at Hard Rock Cafe or Bagaberde.

You guys seem to forget that this is only the beginning of Journey and Arnel's careers since the reboot. We don't know where it's going yet, only speculation. Let's get another album on the table. The gray ones will re-dye their hair and those who need face lifts will get them, then the arenas will be sold out again.



BTW, anyone want to go to the Bad English concert in November? I heard they will reunite for a brief time. Update:*bad joke from an unreliable source*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbg4IvyD ... PL&index=3

[squirt1]

St John- I was talking in regards to someone saying how well Journey is doing these days. Why bring up Perry's FTLOSM tour. You must really have a burr when it comes to Perry. I choose to remember those days. If he would ever do a concert with them then you would see how it was in the 80's. Perry always said that Journey was the sum of its parts.

[steveo777]

St John- I was talking in regards to someone saying how well Journey is doing these days. Why bring up Perry's FTLOSM tour. You must really have a burr when it comes to Perry. I choose to remember those days. If he would ever do a concert with them then you would see how it was in the 80's. Perry always said that Journey was the sum of its parts.

It think for the sake of comparing attendance for SP alone, vs. SP with Journey. The fact that SP alone could not pack large venues goes to prove that the people realize Journey is the sum of it's individual parts, but people came to see Journey overall, actually the whole package, including SP. Now what would be interesting would be to see what kind of solo attendance SP could gather today, were he to return. With the exception of some die hard fans, I doubt it could sell out a 5k capacity venue.

Can Journey sell out a 5k capacity venue? They do it all the time, even now. But we will continue to argue these points until kindom come, so today is just another day.

[Saint John]

St John- I was talking in regards to someone saying how well Journey is doing these days. Why bring up Perry's FTLOSM tour. You must really have a burr when it comes to Perry. I choose to remember those days. If he would ever do a concert with them then you would see how it was in the 80's. Perry always said that Journey was the sum of its parts.

I know exactly what the fuck you were talking about. You chose to bring up Journey's concert attendance minus Perry, so I thought it was only fair to bring up Perry's concert attendance minus Journey. Advantage: Journey. You can't have it both fucking ways. You opened your yapper and I shut it. Now you're whining like a fucking baby sucking on a rotten tit because you presented a flawed argument.

And I know what their success was like in the 80's. We all do. Spare us the history lesson. That succes will never be matched...even if Perry came back. The musical landscape has changed too much.

[Don]

St John- I was talking in regards to someone saying how well Journey is doing these days. Why bring up Perry's FTLOSM tour. You must really have a burr when it comes to Perry. I choose to remember those days. If he would ever do a concert with them then you would see how it was in the 80's. Perry always said that Journey was the sum of its parts.

I know exactly what the fuck you were talking about. You chose to bring up Journey's concert attendance minus Perry, so I thought it was only fair to bring up Perry's concert attendance minus Journey. Advantage: Journey. You can't have it both fucking ways. You opened your yapper and I shut it. Now you're whining like a fucking baby sucking on a rotten tit because you presented a flawed argument.

And I know what their success was like in the 80's. We all do. Spare us the history lesson. That succes will never be matched...even if Perry came back. The musical landscape has changed too much.

Never never never

[steveo777]

St John- I was talking in regards to someone saying how well Journey is doing these days. Why bring up Perry's FTLOSM tour. You must really have a burr when it comes to Perry. I choose to remember those days. If he would ever do a concert with them then you would see how it was in the 80's. Perry always said that Journey was the sum of its parts.

I know exactly what the fuck you were talking about. You chose to bring up Journey's concert attendance minus Perry, so I thought it was only fair to bring up Perry's concert attendance minus Journey. Advantage: Journey. You can't have it both fucking ways. You opened your yapper and I shut it. Now you're whining like a fucking baby sucking on a rotten tit because you presented a flawed argument.

And I know what their success was like in the 80's. We all do. Spare us the history lesson. That succes will never be matched...even if Perry came back. The musical landscape has changed too much.

Never never never

Gentlemen....sad but true. Everyone always hopes for the glory days to return but they never do, so we keep reliving them thru our minds and our media collections...and arguing amongst ourselves on teh intertubes.

[Saint John]

St John- I was talking in regards to someone saying how well Journey is doing these days. Why bring up Perry's FTLOSM tour. You must really have a burr when it comes to Perry. I choose to remember those days. If he would ever do a concert with them then you would see how it was in the 80's. Perry always said that Journey was the sum of its parts.

I know exactly what the fuck you were talking about. You chose to bring up Journey's concert attendance minus Perry, so I thought it was only fair to bring up Perry's concert attendance minus Journey. Advantage: Journey. You can't have it both fucking ways. You opened your yapper and I shut it. Now you're whining like a fucking baby sucking on a rotten tit because you presented a flawed argument.

And I know what their success was like in the 80's. We all do. Spare us the history lesson. That succes will never be matched...even if Perry came back. The musical landscape has changed too much.

Never never never

Agreed, GB. And that's why it was dumb for Squirt to throw that out as an argument. If Perry coming back can't replicate that success, how can one use that as criteria for Arnel to? That's why my response was...creative.

[steveo777]

Beings that some of the most happy years of my life were coming up when Journey was in their heyday, it's always quite nostalgic to go see a show when I can.