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Postby SP Fan in Oregon » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:43 am

madsplash wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
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Red13JoePa wrote:
Right off the bat Jamison and Gramm. Gary Cherone. Delp.


Am I the only one still laughing 14 hours later? This is the best ever joke written here on this Board.


Edit- It was the best ever joke written until you came up with "Cronin also being better" smack.

You cannot be serious with this can you?


It was so dumb that I didn't even respond to it. Jamison and Gramm are great, but aren't in Perry's league. Cherone is a joke compared to SP and Delp had a very high falsetto range, but nothing else he had even came close to Perry.

And Kevin Cronin? I can't even respond to that. It's like comparing a sardine to a whale. What a joke.


Why is it always about range? JoePa may find those voices more appealing to him than Perry's. It's not all about technique/natural ability for people's musician tastes. If that were the case, Rusty Cooley would be every one's favorite guitar player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOcA2oW9 ... re=related



Not just about range. All things considered. Range, tone, spacing, phrasing, power, vibrato, texture, pitch. Perry is superior in all of these areas to any of the others named in this thread. I know people who don't care for SP's voice and that's fine, but they'll tell you he's as good as any they've ever heard, technically. That part's unarguable.

Taste is subjective.

Virtuosity is not. It's fact.


+1 and don't forget the visual qualities of how he delivers it, and how the listener is deeply moved by what they hear from his voice. Talk about the total package. Loon Alert!!! :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:47 am

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Ehwmatt wrote:Why is it always about range? JoePa may find those voices more appealing to him than Perry's. It's not all about technique/natural ability for people's musician tastes. If that were the case, Rusty Cooley would be every one's favorite guitar player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOcA2oW9 ... re=related


:lol: Been asking that question forever. Range has very little to do with my vocal preferences.




Agreed 100%. Range is the LEAST important part to me, and I'd even argue that some singers (Tony Harnell, early Freddy Curci, parts of early Perry) who actually go too high. There are plenty of baritones out there that can sing circles around high tenors.

Sam Cooke's range was surpassed by many singers, but few had the vocal control and influence that he had. Being a great singer is all about how you use what you have. Range helps, but its far from the most important part.
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Postby Deb » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:04 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
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Ehwmatt wrote:Why is it always about range? JoePa may find those voices more appealing to him than Perry's. It's not all about technique/natural ability for people's musician tastes. If that were the case, Rusty Cooley would be every one's favorite guitar player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOcA2oW9 ... re=related


:lol: Been asking that question forever. Range has very little to do with my vocal preferences.




Agreed 100%. Range is the LEAST important part to me, and I'd even argue that some singers (Tony Harnell, early Freddy Curci, parts of early Perry) who actually go too high. There are plenty of baritones out there that can sing circles around high tenors.

Sam Cooke's range was surpassed by many singers, but few had the vocal control and influence that he had. Being a great singer is all about how you use what you have. Range helps, but its far from the most important part.


Bingo! Tone and delivery (soul/passion) are much more important parts in my vocal preferences. There's is just something extra that an R&B influenced singer brings to the table in their delivery, IMO. i.e., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvONkB05g0w
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:20 am

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Not just about range. All things considered. Range, tone, spacing, phrasing, power, vibrato, texture, pitch. Perry is superior in all of these areas to any of the others named in this thread. I know people who don't care for SP's voice and that's fine, but they'll tell you he's as good as any they've ever heard, technically. That part's unarguable.

Taste is subjective.

Virtuosity is not. It's fact.



The other side of the question, playing a bit of devil's advocate here, is "better at what?". By nature, Perry is a soul singer who joined a rock/pop band. It was a mix that worked with Journey. Put him singing the Queen or Styx or Led Zeppelin back catalogue, and I don't know how he would have fared. Put him in a Broadway musical or opera, and once again, I don't know how he would have done. Doesn't make him any less of a singer, but maybe not where his talents are best suited.

I would go to say that Freddy Mercury and John Farnham are better theatre singers, and both had/have voices that probably equal Perry from a technical point-of-view. I would say Jimi Jamison is a better blues singer than Perry is. You have to go into the back catalogue of Survivor and maybe into a few other bands to hear it, but the guy is a very good blues singer. For that matter, based on Livin' to Do, I would say Augeri is a better blues singer than Perry. Doesn't mean Perry couldn't have become a great theatre vocalist or a blues singer if he wanted to. I'm sure he could have excelled at it, but he went the soul route.

It's hard to rate singers without rating them on the same material. John Farnham is one of the few who has sung most everything at one point or another. Go thru his catalogue, and you'll find everything from theatrical to vocal trios to "pop standards" to soul to pop to rock to hard rock (AC/DC, Led Zeppelin). He does them all very well, and you get a very good opinion of what he can do and what he can't do. Most singers don't diversify that much. Perry pretty much stuck to soul, pop and rock. Jamison did pop, rock, and some blues. Same with most others.
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Postby Eric » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:38 am

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Gunbot wrote:Some sales numbers from the Rolie era.

Infinity 3X Platinum
Evolution 3X Platinum
Departure 3X Platinum
Captured 2X Platinum


Nice numbers. That's 11 million by pre-revelation standards. Now who sang on the other 70+ million albums sold?

No, I have not been sleeping in class. :twisted: :wink:


70 million + 11 equals 81 million.

Journey hasn't sold 81 million records.


The behind the music said over 70 million and that was 8 years ago. But I've also read and heard anywhere from 45 to closing in on a 100...so...
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Postby Eric » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:41 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Just imparting a personal opinion of course.
But outside of boards like this you'd be surprised how few people think perry trods water.

DeYoung and Cronin are arguably even better.
Sammy Hagar.


Kevin Cronin? Is there another Kevin Cronin other than REO's......because that one can't do Perry's laundry.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:54 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Just imparting a personal opinion of course.
But outside of boards like this you'd be surprised how few people think perry trods water.

DeYoung and Cronin are arguably even better.
Sammy Hagar.


As far as actual singers go, you would probably be amazed how many cite Perry as an influence. I've heard more singers reference Perry than almost anyone else of recent times.

From a technical standpoint, Perry was very gifted, but then-so, so were quite a few others. Freddie Mercury, Dennis DeYoung, John Farnham, Jimi Jamison, Freddy Curci, etc. The list goes on and on. Plenty of singers had a gifted, natural singing voice. Clarity of voice and range were matched by many also. So why does Perry get listed as influence, and many of the others do not?
Natural ability is only one part of the singing equation, and probably less important than HOW you use the voice (phrasing). In the standpoint of phrasing, Perry is one of the best ever at wrapping the melody around lyrics. Phrasing is what touches people.

Combine the two, and you have something special. Perry's inactivity since basically 1986 has somewhat removed him from public conscience, so he doesn't do his recognition at the moment, but it may come back at some point. His influence among singers is secure however.


I think the simplest answer to the bolded question is : 80 Million records sold worldwide! He is listed more because he was heard more...
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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:57 am

annie89509 wrote:How come Steve’s Strange Medicine bandmates have nothing but fond memories of their relationship? Not to mention a couple of other obscure interview articles from Steve’s old (pre-Journey) bandmates that found its way on the ‘net. No dirt whatsoever there.


Maybe because they were hired to play what he wanted. They were not exactly equals and they certainly weren't the ones who hired Perry.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:50 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Just imparting a personal opinion of course.
But outside of boards like this you'd be surprised how few people think perry trods water.

DeYoung and Cronin are arguably even better.
Sammy Hagar.


As far as actual singers go, you would probably be amazed how many cite Perry as an influence. I've heard more singers reference Perry than almost anyone else of recent times.

From a technical standpoint, Perry was very gifted, but then-so, so were quite a few others. Freddie Mercury, Dennis DeYoung, John Farnham, Jimi Jamison, Freddy Curci, etc. The list goes on and on. Plenty of singers had a gifted, natural singing voice. Clarity of voice and range were matched by many also. So why does Perry get listed as influence, and many of the others do not?
Natural ability is only one part of the singing equation, and probably less important than HOW you use the voice (phrasing). In the standpoint of phrasing, Perry is one of the best ever at wrapping the melody around lyrics. Phrasing is what touches people.

Combine the two, and you have something special. Perry's inactivity since basically 1986 has somewhat removed him from public conscience, so he doesn't do his recognition at the moment, but it may come back at some point. His influence among singers is secure however.


I think the simplest answer to the bolded question is : 80 Million records sold worldwide! He is listed more because he was heard more...


The problem is...it's more complicated than that.

In singers lists, you tend to get the same names over and over...
Roy Orbison, Jackie Wilson, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, Lennon, McCartney, Ronnie James Dio, Robert Plant, Ann Wilson, Perry, John Farnham, Glenn Hughes, maybe David Coverdale, and some others that slip the mind. Expand it into heavy metal, and you get Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford. Go farther back, you obviously get your Elvis, Sinatra, etc. Some are fairly obvious--some aren't.

I think amount of records sold obviously has some impact (hard to be influenced by someone you have never heard of before), but I don't see a direct correlation. Sure, Journey was big--but really, only in the US and Japan. Lots of bands were that big. You don't see Jon Bon Jovi mentioned as an influence, and Bon Jovi were certainly bigger. I don't see Mick Jagger mentioned, and The Rolling Stones are much bigger than Journey ever thought about becoming. Despite having the same influences, I don't see Rod Stewart mentioned all that often either. Dennis DeYoung, Kevin Cronin, Tommy Shaw, Brad Delp, Joe Elliott, Mickey Thomas, Bryan Adams, Springsteen and a whole bunch of Perry's contemporaries are not mentioned. There was certainly enough airplay from Styx, REO, Boston, and the other bands for the impression to be made. For some reason though, it wasn't.

Then, you get the oddballs... John Farnham--who is huge in Australia, but virtually unknown in the US. He's on that list. Same with Glenn Hughes. He's usually on that "best singers by singers" list, and isn't all that well known. Influence on singers doesn't seem to correlate directly with record sales. You get singers in the UK and everywhere mentioning Perry. Journey wasn't huge in Britain. Perry is one of the few singers from the 80s that is on the "influenced by" list. Hardly anyone from the 90s, save maybe Marc Anthony has made that list.

What made Jackie Wilson, Aretha and Sam Cooke stand out from Frankie Valli, Levi Stubbs or the 40 other singers in the 60s?

The question remains though...why? It's not just how common the voice was on the radio.
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Postby KDOUBLEU » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:06 am

Eric wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Just imparting a personal opinion of course.
But outside of boards like this you'd be surprised how few people think perry trods water.

DeYoung and Cronin are arguably even better.
Sammy Hagar.


Kevin Cronin? Is there another Kevin Cronin other than REO's......because that one can't do Perry's laundry.
Boy you said a mouthful there. REO is a good band but Kevin Cronins singing is so inferior to Steves he shouldnt even be put in the same catagory!
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Postby Saint John » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:16 am

Vladan wrote:Perry has always always said gracious things about his ex band mates, not once have I, or anyone here has read otherwise - please correct me if I am wrong.


Why shouldn't he be gracious to them?!?! They never fired band members, put the band on the shelf for years, lied about touring to disband a lineup or fired the manager! He did!
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Postby madsplash » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:33 am

Saint John wrote:
Vladan wrote:Perry has always always said gracious things about his ex band mates, not once have I, or anyone here has read otherwise - please correct me if I am wrong.


Why shouldn't he be gracious to them?!?! They never fired band members, put the band on the shelf for years, lied about touring to disband a lineup or fired the manager! He did!


Well, you twisted and spun that to suit you, but anything he did, he was given total authority to do whatever he wanted, because the band knew he was making them huge. Did he make mistakes? Maybe, but you can't give someone the keys and beg them to keep driving you to more fame and fortune, and them complain about what lane they decide to drive in.

The others could have gotten together and decided to "move one" :roll: without him anytime they wanted. But did they? No. Why? Because they knew who was buttering their bread.

Still, the man has exhibited nothing but class in anything he's said about the other guys, NOW. All the other stuff is in the past anyway. He says nice things NOW. The other guys are still crying about stuff in the past. Grow the fuck up and move on and have some class and stop sounding like bitter little, whiney-ass crybabies.
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Postby Deb » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:38 am

Saint John wrote:
Vladan wrote:Perry has always always said gracious things about his ex band mates, not once have I, or anyone here has read otherwise - please correct me if I am wrong.


Why shouldn't he be gracious to them?!?! They never fired band members, put the band on the shelf for years, lied about touring to disband a lineup or fired the manager! He did!


You're right, they have Cronin do it. :twisted:
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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:40 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Just imparting a personal opinion of course.
But outside of boards like this you'd be surprised how few people think perry trods water.

DeYoung and Cronin are arguably even better.
Sammy Hagar.


As far as actual singers go, you would probably be amazed how many cite Perry as an influence. I've heard more singers reference Perry than almost anyone else of recent times.

From a technical standpoint, Perry was very gifted, but then-so, so were quite a few others. Freddie Mercury, Dennis DeYoung, John Farnham, Jimi Jamison, Freddy Curci, etc. The list goes on and on. Plenty of singers had a gifted, natural singing voice. Clarity of voice and range were matched by many also. So why does Perry get listed as influence, and many of the others do not?
Natural ability is only one part of the singing equation, and probably less important than HOW you use the voice (phrasing). In the standpoint of phrasing, Perry is one of the best ever at wrapping the melody around lyrics. Phrasing is what touches people.

Combine the two, and you have something special. Perry's inactivity since basically 1986 has somewhat removed him from public conscience, so he doesn't do his recognition at the moment, but it may come back at some point. His influence among singers is secure however.


I think the simplest answer to the bolded question is : 80 Million records sold worldwide! He is listed more because he was heard more...


The problem is...it's more complicated than that.

In singers lists, you tend to get the same names over and over...
Roy Orbison, Jackie Wilson, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, Lennon, McCartney, Ronnie James Dio, Robert Plant, Ann Wilson, Perry, John Farnham, Glenn Hughes, maybe David Coverdale, and some others that slip the mind. Expand it into heavy metal, and you get Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford. Go farther back, you obviously get your Elvis, Sinatra, etc. Some are fairly obvious--some aren't.

I think amount of records sold obviously has some impact (hard to be influenced by someone you have never heard of before), but I don't see a direct correlation. Sure, Journey was big--but really, only in the US and Japan. Lots of bands were that big. You don't see Jon Bon Jovi mentioned as an influence, and Bon Jovi were certainly bigger. I don't see Mick Jagger mentioned, and The Rolling Stones are much bigger than Journey ever thought about becoming. Despite having the same influences, I don't see Rod Stewart mentioned all that often either. Dennis DeYoung, Kevin Cronin, Tommy Shaw, Brad Delp, Joe Elliott, Mickey Thomas, Bryan Adams, Springsteen and a whole bunch of Perry's contemporaries are not mentioned. There was certainly enough airplay from Styx, REO, Boston, and the other bands for the impression to be made. For some reason though, it wasn't.

Then, you get the oddballs... John Farnham--who is huge in Australia, but virtually unknown in the US. He's on that list. Same with Glenn Hughes. He's usually on that "best singers by singers" list, and isn't all that well known. Influence on singers doesn't seem to correlate directly with record sales. You get singers in the UK and everywhere mentioning Perry. Journey wasn't huge in Britain. Perry is one of the few singers from the 80s that is on the "influenced by" list. Hardly anyone from the 90s, save maybe Marc Anthony has made that list.

What made Jackie Wilson, Aretha and Sam Cooke stand out from Frankie Valli, Levi Stubbs or the 40 other singers in the 60s?

The question remains though...why? It's not just how common the voice was on the radio.


I understand that there is more to it. I thought it was obvious that there also has to be talent. I was being specific when I said "simplest answer".
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Postby portland » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:08 am

Deb wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Vladan wrote:Perry has always always said gracious things about his ex band mates, not once have I, or anyone here has read otherwise - please correct me if I am wrong.


Why shouldn't he be gracious to them?!?! They never fired band members, put the band on the shelf for years, lied about touring to disband a lineup or fired the manager! He did!


You're right, they have Cronin do it. :twisted:





and here is goes again.....warm fuzzies all around!
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Postby Don » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:12 am

The newest member of Journey's Human Resources Department. :lol:

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Postby KDOUBLEU » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:14 am

Gunbot wrote:The newest member of Journey's Human Resources Department. :lol:

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Postby Don » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:15 am

KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gunbot wrote:The newest member of Journey's Human Resources Department. :lol:

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That's what he said.

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Postby journey361 » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:13 am

This comparing any1 to Steve Perry is stupid as you know what. No one, i repeat no one, could have given the world (in studio) and (live) the unforgetting unity that he did to this day. In his days with Journey, his fan base was growing at such a quick pace that im sure even he felt like he was the lead actor in Alien vs. Predator. UNREAL AND OUT OF THIS WORLD. And im not going to even touch his voice in his non-tenor approach which he had at anytime in his disposal because that is another masterpiece in itself. All those singers who have been mentioned on here are great for what they do, And i love JJ, AP and others as well. But what im trying to say is this. None of those singers could change the dam landscape from a 70-30 percent male audience to 70-30 female audience. And thats just the landscape. Dam, again, AP does not sound like Perry at all in a overall technical standpoint. He sings like perry to sound like Perry. Same goes for any1 who tries to do the same thing. One more thing concerning Perry's part in the band. His voice is a voice. Not a guitar, not a drum, not a piano. And he abused it night after night after night, year after year after year. I believe he was alittle pissed cause his instrument was very touchy and could drop at any given time. WOW, in front of maybe 80,000 people. And he brought it every frick'en time. Maybe that's his biggest claim to fame, how's that. He didn't blow it out untill later years. Iv'e said my piece, but SP bringing Journey to stardom in every level is what he did period.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:49 am

journey361 wrote:This comparing any1 to Steve Perry is stupid as you know what. No one, i repeat no one, could have given the world (in studio) and (live) the unforgetting unity that he did to this day. In his days with Journey, his fan base was growing at such a quick pace that im sure even he felt like he was the lead actor in Alien vs. Predator. UNREAL AND OUT OF THIS WORLD. And im not going to even touch his voice in his non-tenor approach which he had at anytime in his disposal because that is another masterpiece in itself. All those singers who have been mentioned on here are great for what they do, And i love JJ, AP and others as well. But what im trying to say is this. None of those singers could change the dam landscape from a 70-30 percent male audience to 70-30 female audience. And thats just the landscape. Dam, again, AP does not sound like Perry at all in a overall technical standpoint. He sings like perry to sound like Perry. Same goes for any1 who tries to do the same thing. One more thing concerning Perry's part in the band. His voice is a voice. Not a guitar, not a drum, not a piano. And he abused it night after night after night, year after year after year. I believe he was alittle pissed cause his instrument was very touchy and could drop at any given time. WOW, in front of maybe 80,000 people. And he brought it every frick'en time. Maybe that's his biggest claim to fame, how's that. He didn't blow it out untill later years. Iv'e said my piece, but SP bringing Journey to stardom in every level is what he did period.


That was a hard read dude. Real hard.
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Postby verslibre » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:59 am

journey361 wrote:He sings like perry to sound like Perry.


Profound. :lol:
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Postby madsplash » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:12 am

Rockindeano wrote:
journey361 wrote:This comparing any1 to Steve Perry is stupid as you know what. No one, i repeat no one, could have given the world (in studio) and (live) the unforgetting unity that he did to this day. In his days with Journey, his fan base was growing at such a quick pace that im sure even he felt like he was the lead actor in Alien vs. Predator. UNREAL AND OUT OF THIS WORLD. And im not going to even touch his voice in his non-tenor approach which he had at anytime in his disposal because that is another masterpiece in itself. All those singers who have been mentioned on here are great for what they do, And i love JJ, AP and others as well. But what im trying to say is this. None of those singers could change the dam landscape from a 70-30 percent male audience to 70-30 female audience. And thats just the landscape. Dam, again, AP does not sound like Perry at all in a overall technical standpoint. He sings like perry to sound like Perry. Same goes for any1 who tries to do the same thing. One more thing concerning Perry's part in the band. His voice is a voice. Not a guitar, not a drum, not a piano. And he abused it night after night after night, year after year after year. I believe he was alittle pissed cause his instrument was very touchy and could drop at any given time. WOW, in front of maybe 80,000 people. And he brought it every frick'en time. Maybe that's his biggest claim to fame, how's that. He didn't blow it out untill later years. Iv'e said my piece, but SP bringing Journey to stardom in every level is what he did period.


That was a hard read dude. Real hard.


Yea. Damn, use the enter button and make some different paragraphs. I was feelin' what you were saying, but I couldn't comprehend most of it because of the spacing.

Like what you said, but please make it easier to read.
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Postby mikemarrs » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:17 am

KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gunbot wrote:The newest member of Journey's Human Resources Department. :lol:

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sure does and also looks like my neighbors twin and i'm not sure if her and her girlfriend are into the speedwagon sound or not. :P
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:09 pm

madsplash wrote:Still, the man has exhibited nothing but class in anything he's said about the other guys.


Oh for the love of Christ. :roll:
Precept 2.75 of the Church Of Latter Day Loon: Always Claim he Takes The "High Road!"

I think about what has been DONE to the other guys to make them talk the way they do, not the potshots he supposedly doesn't take now.
The ever-spoken about "classy high road" he "always" takes took a-loon-omitted-in-public(and I guarantdamnTEE snickered about in the private online p. Palaces) detour south after the Walk Of Fame when his response to commenting on Steve Augeri's thanking him in the Red13 liner notes was to refuse to acknowledge Augeri and instead dismiss the thanks and call him "a soundalike or whatever he is."
And lest we forget amongst the tarring and feathering of Schon/Cain (Journey) that goes on from most former singer-only camps that he's BARELY been SPOKEN OF since TBF until the gag order obviously expired last year and Neal gave an interview with some ( :o ) unfavorable remarks regards to perry's ability to be a bandmate and as well as a flippant comment at the end of the interview :shock:
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Postby stevew2 » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:13 pm

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journey361 wrote:This comparing any1 to Steve Perry is stupid as you know what. No one, i repeat no one, could have given the world (in studio) and (live) the unforgetting unity that he did to this day. In his days with Journey, his fan base was growing at such a quick pace that im sure even he felt like he was the lead actor in Alien vs. Predator. UNREAL AND OUT OF THIS WORLD. And im not going to even touch his voice in his non-tenor approach which he had at anytime in his disposal because that is another masterpiece in itself. All those singers who have been mentioned on here are great for what they do, And i love JJ, AP and others as well. But what im trying to say is this. None of those singers could change the dam landscape from a 70-30 percent male audience to 70-30 female audience. And thats just the landscape. Dam, again, AP does not sound like Perry at all in a overall technical standpoint. He sings like perry to sound like Perry. Same goes for any1 who tries to do the same thing. One more thing concerning Perry's part in the band. His voice is a voice. Not a guitar, not a drum, not a piano. And he abused it night after night after night, year after year after year. I believe he was alittle pissed cause his instrument was very touchy and could drop at any given time. WOW, in front of maybe 80,000 people. And he brought it every frick'en time. Maybe that's his biggest claim to fame, how's that. He didn't blow it out untill later years. Iv'e said my piece, but SP bringing Journey to stardom in every level is what he did period.


That was a hard read dude. Real hard.
i got a fuckin headache tying to read through it all
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Postby Deb » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:38 pm

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Gunbot wrote:The newest member of Journey's Human Resources Department. :lol:

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He looks like he just smelled something bad.



sure does and also looks like my neighbors twin and i'm not sure if her and her girlfriend are into the speedwagon sound or not. :P


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Postby Vladan » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:31 pm

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Not just about range. All things considered. Range, tone, spacing, phrasing, power, vibrato, texture, pitch. Perry is superior in all of these areas to any of the others named in this thread. I know people who don't care for SP's voice and that's fine, but they'll tell you he's as good as any they've ever heard, technically. That part's unarguable.

Taste is subjective.

Virtuosity is not. It's fact.



The other side of the question, playing a bit of devil's advocate here, is "better at what?". By nature, Perry is a soul singer who joined a rock/pop band. It was a mix that worked with Journey. Put him singing the Queen or Styx or Led Zeppelin back catalogue, and I don't know how he would have fared. Put him in a Broadway musical or opera, and once again, I don't know how he would have done. Doesn't make him any less of a singer, but maybe not where his talents are best suited.

I would go to say that Freddy Mercury and John Farnham are better theatre singers, and both had/have voices that probably equal Perry from a technical point-of-view. I would say Jimi Jamison is a better blues singer than Perry is. You have to go into the back catalogue of Survivor and maybe into a few other bands to hear it, but the guy is a very good blues singer. For that matter, based on Livin' to Do, I would say Augeri is a better blues singer than Perry. Doesn't mean Perry couldn't have become a great theatre vocalist or a blues singer if he wanted to. I'm sure he could have excelled at it, but he went the soul route.

It's hard to rate singers without rating them on the same material. John Farnham is one of the few who has sung most everything at one point or another. Go thru his catalogue, and you'll find everything from theatrical to vocal trios to "pop standards" to soul to pop to rock to hard rock (AC/DC, Led Zeppelin). He does them all very well, and you get a very good opinion of what he can do and what he can't do. Most singers don't diversify that much. Perry pretty much stuck to soul, pop and rock. Jamison did pop, rock, and some blues. Same with most others.


Yes! couldn't agree more about John Farnham, technically he's with the best of them, best of all time, definitely. Just ask Andrew, he'll tell you. Every time the music guru's or famous producers or even famous artists such as Richard Marx and co talk about John, they always say amazing things, and praise his voice, and a massive career as well, and still going. But not only he is a great vocalist, he has an extremely recordable and appealing voice.
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Postby Vladan » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:34 pm

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Vladan wrote:Perry has always always said gracious things about his ex band mates, not once have I, or anyone here has read otherwise - please correct me if I am wrong.

Well, the only time I have read ill things, was in Herbie Herbert's interview, back in 81' Perry made Cain cry apparently. However this is coming from Herbie, and to me Herbie has always seemed like an overly emotional guy anyway, probably blowing it way out of proportion IMO


Sorry but that made me LOL! So that's why Tito hates Perry. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Haha yeah, I guess so. But it's a funny interview ;)
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Postby Vladan » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:36 pm

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Vladan wrote:Well, the only time I have read ill things, was in Herbie Herbert's interview, back in 81' Perry made Cain cry apparently.


Yeah but... well it doesn't take much... :?


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...so I don't think this one is Perry's fault. :twisted: :lol:


That's true, he seems like he can let rip some tears anytime he want's to, but! that's OK, because he's an amazing song writer. That's probably why he is so damn good at what he does :)
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Postby Don » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:36 pm

With John Farnham and Jimmy Barnes, you can't go wrong.
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