Give Arnel a break...

by **Archetype** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:58 am

Get the extended version of "La Raza Del Sol" back in the set!!! come on who agrees with me? Absolutely phenomenal live song. I've got that chapter of the DVD on repeat right now as I work on my international relations homework. Great music.

by **portland** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:03 am

Gideon??

by **Enigma869** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:31 am

Archetype wrote:Get the extended version of "La Raza Del Sol" back in the set!!! come on who agrees with me?

I say "La Raza Fuck No"!

by **wastingbeerz** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:34 pm

Archetype wrote:Get the extended version of "La Raza Del Sol" back in the set!!! come on who agrees with me? Absolutely phenomenal live song. I've got that chapter of the DVD on repeat right now as I work on my international relations homework. Great music.

Hell yeah, always wanted to see that one live. Not "greatest hits" enough for some, though.

by **lights1961** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:47 pm

this sounds like frye... right didnt he always want journey to go back to its latin roots...

by **Enigma869** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:59 pm

lights1961 wrote:didnt he always want journey to go back to its latin roots...

Journey is about as "latin" as I am southern!

by **Glenn** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:12 pm

Enigma869 wrote:
lights1961 wrote:didnt he always want journey to go back to its latin roots...

Journey is about as "latin" as I am southern!

Well, Neal was in Santana. So there is some very minor
Latin influence that came with Neal and Rolie.

by **Enigma869** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:25 pm

JSS Rocks! wrote:
Well, Neal was in Santana. So there is some very minor
Latin influence that came with Neal and Rolie.

I'm VERY aware of Neal's background in Santana. It was a million years ago when they still thought the world was flat! I'll give you the "very minor" influence from way back when, but the band that became known as Journey didn't have anything remotely close to a "Latin influence"!

by **ProgRocker53** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:26 pm

The "La Raza Del Sol" on the Arrival Live DVD is one of my all-time favorite pieces of music.

It would be amazing to hear that live.

by **Ehwmatt** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:02 am

Wow, great suggestion. A definite highlight of the 01 DVD... that DVD's fuckin good

by **RocknRoll** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:23 am

One of my favorite bits from the 2001 DVD. I'm bettin' AP could really handle this. SA did an awesome job and I loved watching JC in this one as well as the rest of the band.

by **Since 78** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:06 am

Hate that song, by anyone.

by **Rhiannon** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:29 am

Enigma869 wrote:
lights1961 wrote:didnt he always want journey to go back to its latin roots...

Journey is about as "latin" as I am southern!

You could never be that lucky. :wink:

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:17 am

Ehwmatt wrote:Wow, great suggestion. A definite highlight of the 01 DVD... that DVD's fuckin good

Better be! The fuckin thing was recorded in a studio!

by **Ehwmatt** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:18 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Wow, great suggestion. A definite highlight of the 01 DVD... that DVD's fuckin good

Better be! The fuckin thing was recorded in a studio!

I heard Bruce recorded his last live DVD with a roll of duct tape and two unidirectional mics from Vaudeville circa 1932... how did he get that amazing DTS fidelity? He must be just that good!

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:21 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Wow, great suggestion. A definite highlight of the 01 DVD... that DVD's fuckin good

Better be! The fuckin thing was recorded in a studio!

I heard Bruce recorded his last live DVD with a roll of duct tape and two unidirectional mics from Vaudeville circa 1932... how did he get that amazing DTS fidelity? He must be just that good!

Don't be a dickhead...I was talking honestly. SA re recorded this DVd in studio. I never brought up Bruce, however, his latest DVd is the best sounding DVD, Live in Barcelona, by anyone without any touching up whatsoever. 100% raw live. LOL, as for his equipment- Last wek, he got pissed at his crew during the show; Trying to shine a spotlight on a fancy made sign for a request, he said, "we got a million dollars worth of shit up here and we can't shine a fuckin light on these good people."

by **Ehwmatt** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:22 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Wow, great suggestion. A definite highlight of the 01 DVD... that DVD's fuckin good

Better be! The fuckin thing was recorded in a studio!

I heard Bruce recorded his last live DVD with a roll of duct tape and two unidirectional mics from Vaudeville circa 1932... how did he get that amazing DTS fidelity? He must be just that good!

Don't be a dickhead...I was talking honestly. SA re recorded this DVd in studio. I never brought up Bruce, however, his latest DVd is the best sounding DVD, Live in Barcelona, by anyone without any touching up whatsoever. 100% raw live.

I'm just fuckin with you, little sensitive this morning? I even saw you apologizing downstairs! :lol:

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:23 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Wow, great suggestion. A definite highlight of the 01 DVD... that DVD's fuckin good

Better be! The fuckin thing was recorded in a studio!

I heard Bruce recorded his last live DVD with a roll of duct tape and two unidirectional mics from Vaudeville circa 1932... how did he get that amazing DTS fidelity? He must be just that good!

Don't be a dickhead...I was talking honestly. SA re recorded this DVd in studio. I never brought up Bruce, however, his latest DVd is the best sounding DVD, Live in Barcelona, by anyone without any touching up whatsoever. 100% raw live.

I'm just fuckin with you, little sensitive this morning? I even saw you apologizing downstairs!

I amended my post, and no, not sensitive. Sober. :shock:

26 days now.

by **Ehwmatt** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:26 am

Rockindeano wrote:I amended my post, and no, not sensitive. Sober. 26 days now.

Hey, good for you man. I stopped drinking more than once every few weeks for the most part, I feel a lot better.

by **RocknRoll** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:28 am

Rockindeano wrote:
I amended my post, and no, not sensitive. Sober. 26 days now.

Congrats Deano!! .

by **strangegrey** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:59 am

Rockindeano wrote: SA re recorded this DVd in studio.

I'm not looking to square off on this, but I'm not sure I buy this in its entirety. There's some moments that SA had during that DVD that a half-drunk producer wouldn't let get past him without an overdub. Ask The Lonely is filled with them. I suspect it's more the case that things were overdubbed and fixed in the studio.....to what extent is probably where the question lies. I couldn't weigh in on that with any level of knowledge. I just feel that there are certain points on that DVD that, if given the opportunity to fix (in the entirety) in the studio....would not have been presented on the dvd as it currently stands.

Having said there, there isn't a live album recorded these days that doesn't receive some level of studio magic. Case in point was the Right Here Right Now live DVD/CD that Van Halen did in 1994. According to lore, Alex's drum set did not translate to tape very well during the 2 nights they recorded..and despite Andy Johns' best efforts, he simply couldn't get the drums to sound right when they went back to mix it.

So, IIRC, their solution was to use literally re-record the snare drum, as it blasted through PA speakers in EVH's racketball court....stick a mic at the other end of the court, and pipe that signal back to the mixing console. That, and of course the various vocal overdubs and redos....

It seems to me that your intention is to make the Arrival DVD out to be a sort of "Kiss: Alive" record....which *were* "live" records that were simply recorded in the studio and given the benefit of an "audience cheer track." I'm not so sure that was the case with the arrival dvd. It does appear that the music and a percentage of the vocals were indeed recorded in that building that night, but they brought the tracks back to San Francisco to fix the really bad spots.

Granted, I could be fooled here...but I've spent enough time in both the live music and recording worlds to feel that it's more along the lines of overdubbed errors instead of an outright studio recording....

BTW, Congrats on kicking the bottle. You're a better man than I. I can't last 6 days!

by **kgdjpubs** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:03 am

strangegrey wrote:
Rockindeano wrote: SA re recorded this DVd in studio.

Having said there, there isn't a live album recorded these days that doesn't receive some level of studio magic. Case in point was the Right Here Right Now live DVD/CD that Van Halen did in 1994. According to lore, Alex's drum set did not translate to tape very well during the 2 nights they recorded..and despite Andy Johns' best efforts, he simply couldn't get the drums to sound right when they went back to mix it.

So, IIRC, their solution was to use literally re-record the snare drum, as it blasted through PA speakers in EVH's racketball court....stick a mic at the other end of the court, and pipe that signal back to the mixing console. That, and of course the various vocal overdubs and redos....

It seems to me that your intention is to make the Arrival DVD out to be a sort of "Kiss: Alive" record....which *were* "live" records that were simply recorded in the studio and given the benefit of an "audience cheer track." I'm not so sure that was the case with the arrival dvd. It does appear that the music and a percentage of the vocals were indeed recorded in that building that night, but they brought the tracks back to San Francisco to fix the really bad spots.

There are live albums that are pure untouched live, but I think a lot of them these days are smaller labels, or the ingenious record show and sell recording to audience. I'm not disagreeing that a lot of albums are touched up (see Journey's Greatest Hits "Live"), but there are a few rare ones out there.

For that reason alone, that's the reason I'm not all that thrilled with "live" albums. Give me a good sounding bootleg any day. If I'm getting a live album, I want a LIVE album--not something that has been perfected to the point of losing all atmosphere and energy.

MR

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