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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:13 am

Fact Finder wrote:POWAY, California (BNO NEWS) -- San Diego Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman has been arrested and charged with battery after allegedly attacking TV hostess Tila Nguyen, who is internationally known as Tila Tequila.

At approximately 3.45 a.m. local time on Sunday, San Diego Sheriff's deputies responded to a disturbance call from a woman who claimed to have been choked and restrained by a male.

Upon arrival at the 12,000 block of Sage Crest Drive in Poway, "Tequila" told deputies she had been choked and physically restrained by Merriman when she attempted to leave his residence. "Tequila" then signed a citizen's arrest at the scene, charging Merriman with battery and false imprisonment.

"Tequila" was transported to Pomerado Hospital while Merriman was taken into custody, said Jan Caldwell, a spokesman for the San Diego Sheriff's Department.


Merriman continues to show what a thug, scumbag he is. Fuck the Chargers and that pussy Tomlinson!
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:16 am

YoungJRNY wrote:I think Brady will get beat up this year.



You better hope he does, because it's Pittsburgh's only shot! They wouldn't have won the Super Bowl last season if Brady didn't go down in game one, and they won't win it this year if Brady is healthy!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:01 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:I think Brady will get beat up this year.



You better hope he does, because it's Pittsburgh's only shot! They wouldn't have won the Super Bowl last season if Brady didn't go down in game one, and they won't win it this year if Brady is healthy!


I want a 100% Brady in the playoffs if anything. Pittsburgh's defense changed immensely since the last time Brady played them. We are younger in the Linebacking core, and have outside pass rushers that won't play patty cake like they did in '04/'05 season. I think New England's offense line won't protect Brady like they did in previous season's. Put pressure on #12 and he folds quicker than any QB in the league. But, low and be hold, that's the key, put pressure on the son of a bitch. N.Y proved that in 42. He'll be afraid to step up in the pocket with that lead leg, and avoids going down with contact any chance he gets. Still, N.E will always br scary with Brady under center, but something must give. Pittsburgh VS New England is in the making for another Title game.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:44 am

YoungJRNY wrote: Put pressure on #12 and he folds quicker than any QB in the league.


Moronic statement dude, and for a whole lot of reasons. Let's start with the premise that there isn't one single QB in the NFL who doesn't "fold" with 350lb defensive linemen falling on them, including Little Ben! The more important point is that Brady can throw the ball 50 yards down the field with protection and if the protection isn't there...there isn't a QB in the NFL better at throwing little 5 yard dumpoff passes! Brady is THE MASTER of that. While I don't doubt for second that Pittsburgh's defense is FAR superior to New England's defense...that's always been the case, and it hasn't mattered in the past. Also, New England has a FAR better offense than Pittsburgh, so if they can turn a matchup with Pittsburgh into a shootout, it's not a game the Steelers can win! If Brady remains off the injured list this season, he'll win the MVP, EASILY! You heard it here first!
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:48 am

Enigma869 wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:I think Brady will get beat up this year.



You better hope he does, because it's Pittsburgh's only shot! They wouldn't have won the Super Bowl last season if Brady didn't go down in game one, and they won't win it this year if Brady is healthy!


Easy there M'am- San Diego is as good as both those clubs.
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:50 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Put pressure on #12 and he folds quicker than any QB in the league.


Jesus Christ, please don't post this ridiculous stuff while I am eating. Had to almost call Santa Monica's finest for a choking....

Yeah, Tom Brady folds like a cheap lawn chair. Tell you what, you keep Big Ben and NE will keep a three time Super Bowl winner. That's like taking Pineda over Bruce- and the sad thing is many if not most of you suckholes would probably do just that! :wink: :twisted: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

:lol: cocksuckers!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:23 am

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YoungJRNY wrote: Put pressure on #12 and he folds quicker than any QB in the league.


Moronic statement dude, and for a whole lot of reasons. Let's start with the premise that there isn't one single QB in the NFL who doesn't "fold" with 350lb defensive linemen falling on them, including Little Ben! The more important point is that Brady can throw the ball 50 yards down the field with protection and if the protection isn't there...there isn't a QB in the NFL better at throwing little 5 yard dumpoff passes! Brady is THE MASTER of that. While I don't doubt for second that Pittsburgh's defense is FAR superior to New England's defense...that's always been the case, and it hasn't mattered in the past. Also, New England has a FAR better offense than Pittsburgh, so if they can turn a matchup with Pittsburgh into a shootout, it's not a game the Steelers can win! If Brady remains off the injured list this season, he'll win the MVP, EASILY! You heard it here first!


New England's system is all about the underneath, and Brady uses the underneath to set up the long ball.. he does this the best out of anyone. Regardless, Ben is a stud at eluding the rush, and at multiple times, he is known for getting out of a grasp of an d-lineman, or stiff arming a blitzing safety coming off the edge. Ben never had the privileged of playing under an offensive line as good as Brady had it. I'll take the football player in Ben 100 times out of 100 over Brady any day regardless of the outcome. Ben is now entering his prime and that spells doom for the rest of the league. I know he'll never get credit when credit's due, because in today's NFL it's all about stats and looking pretty. Put Brady in Pittsburgh's system and I believe he's mediocre at best, but that's how the cards fall and is pretty much un-debatable. Brady is a culprit of a system, and the play of Matt Cassel proves that. I've watched games where Brady doesn't even get sniffed out. Any QB can stand back there all day, read the defense and sling the ball downfield. Put pressure on him and he will NOT be able to do what Ben could do under pressure. With consistent play from the offensive line, and with the emergence of a strong running core, Pittsburgh can do what they do best, no matter how good New England's offense is, and that is clock control. We will see in January.

Deano, why do you have a boner for San Diego? You said the same thing last year, all awhile playing in the worst division in football, and they choked. San Diego was always a tough squad, and always 1 player away from being on the brink of a title run year in and year out. Too bad they fold at the wrong times, and are just out classed by other organizations such as NE (when they aren't cheating) Pitt, or even Indy. If SD wants to make noise as a contender and not a pretender, this is their time to do it, but I don't think that will be the case as I feel they aren't as good as you say.
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Postby Don » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:34 am

Who knew Merriman was tapping this?

Well, doing a little more than tapping it, actually

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4450962



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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:53 am

Rockindeano wrote:Easy there M'am- San Diego is as good as both those clubs.


I'm not sold on San Diego, AT ALL. I love the fact that all the so-called "experts" are picking a San Diego/Philadelphia Super Bowl. Tomlinson is a FRAUD and will somehow come up with a pimple on his ass when the playoffs roll around!
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:05 am

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New England's system is all about the underneath, and Brady uses the underneath to set up the long ball.. he does this the best out of anyone. Regardless, Ben is a stud at eluding the rush, and at multiple times, he is known for getting out of a grasp of an d-lineman, or stiff arming a blitzing safety coming off the edge. Ben never had the privileged of playing under an offensive line as good as Brady had it. I'll take the football player in Ben 100 times out of 100 over Brady any day regardless of the outcome. Ben is now entering his prime and that spells doom for the rest of the league. I know he'll never get credit when credit's due, because in today's NFL it's all about stats and looking pretty. Put Brady in Pittsburgh's system and I believe he's mediocre at best, but that's how the cards fall and is pretty much un-debatable. Brady is a culprit of a system, and the play of Matt Cassel proves that. I've watched games where Brady doesn't even get sniffed out. Any QB can stand back there all day, read the defense and sling the ball downfield. Put pressure on him and he will NOT be able to do what Ben could do under pressure. With consistent play from the offensive line, and with the emergence of a strong running core, Pittsburgh can do what they do best, no matter how good New England's offense is, and that is clock control. We will see in January.




I lost all respect for you with this post, dude. I won't even begin to rip you apart because so much of what you've said in this post is FUCKING MORONIC! To state that because Cassel had reasonable numbers last season that now Brady is a product of a "system" tells me your knowledge of football wouldn't fill a fucking thimble. You're a fucking dope if you actually believe that Brady is a product of a "system". What you've conveniently left out of your argument (because it doesn't suit your purpose) is that the New England team last season was VERY good, offensively. Randy Moss and Wes Welker are as good as any two receivers in the NFL and can make a whole lot of QB's look good. Moss will go down as one of the top 5 receivers the NFL has EVER seen, and made Cassel look VERY good on a whole lot of plays last season! The fact remains that Brady has three Super Bowl rings that weren't won with Moss and Welker. He won his championships with the worst collection of running backs and receivers ever assembled on championship teams! The dude won multiple championships with the likes of Deion Branch, David Patten, and Anwtoin Smith! Look up the Patriots championship seasons and I challenge you to find one single offensive stud player (aside from Brady) on even one of those teams!

I can assure you that if everything were in fact just a "system" (which tells me that you need to stop listening to the media and form a thought of your own), then the coaches that have left Belichick would have simply implemented this so-called "system", much like the disciples of Bill Walsh did years ago, and won endless games. The fact remains that there isn't a single coach who has left the Patriots (and there have been MANY who have left) and had an ounce of success, away from New England. It's a great head coach and great players that win you games...Not any "system"! I can assure you that if the 2008 Detroit Lions had implemented the Patriots "system" last season, they still would have gone 0-16!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:56 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:
New England's system is all about the underneath, and Brady uses the underneath to set up the long ball.. he does this the best out of anyone. Regardless, Ben is a stud at eluding the rush, and at multiple times, he is known for getting out of a grasp of an d-lineman, or stiff arming a blitzing safety coming off the edge. Ben never had the privileged of playing under an offensive line as good as Brady had it. I'll take the football player in Ben 100 times out of 100 over Brady any day regardless of the outcome. Ben is now entering his prime and that spells doom for the rest of the league. I know he'll never get credit when credit's due, because in today's NFL it's all about stats and looking pretty. Put Brady in Pittsburgh's system and I believe he's mediocre at best, but that's how the cards fall and is pretty much un-debatable. Brady is a culprit of a system, and the play of Matt Cassel proves that. I've watched games where Brady doesn't even get sniffed out. Any QB can stand back there all day, read the defense and sling the ball downfield. Put pressure on him and he will NOT be able to do what Ben could do under pressure. With consistent play from the offensive line, and with the emergence of a strong running core, Pittsburgh can do what they do best, no matter how good New England's offense is, and that is clock control. We will see in January.




I lost all respect for you with this post, dude. I won't even begin to rip you apart because so much of what you've said in this post is FUCKING MORONIC! To state that because Cassel had reasonable numbers last season that now Brady is a product of a "system" tells me your knowledge of football wouldn't fill a fucking thimble. You're a fucking dope if you actually believe that Brady is a product of a "system". What you've conveniently left out of your argument (because it doesn't suit your purpose) is that the New England team last season was VERY good, offensively. Randy Moss and Wes Welker are as good as any two receivers in the NFL and can make a whole lot of QB's look good. Moss will go down as one of the top 5 receivers the NFL has EVER seen, and made Cassel look VERY good on a whole lot of plays last season! The fact remains that Brady has three Super Bowl rings that weren't won with Moss and Welker. He won his championships with the worst collection of running backs and receivers ever assembled on championship teams! The dude won multiple championships with the likes of Deion Branch, David Patten, and Anwtoin Smith! Look up the Patriots championship seasons and I challenge you to find one single offensive stud player (aside from Brady) on even one of those teams!

I can assure you that if everything were in fact just a "system" (which tells me that you need to stop listening to the media and form a thought of your own), then the coaches that have left Belichick would have simply implemented this so-called "system", much like the disciples of Bill Walsh did years ago, and won endless games. The fact remains that there isn't a single coach who has left the Patriots (and there have been MANY who have left) and had an ounce of success, away from New England. It's a great head coach and great players that win you games...Not any "system"! I can assure you that if the 2008 Detroit Lions had implemented the Patriots "system" last season, they still would have gone 0-16!



Different year, same blabble from John from Boston. I love you dude! I missed you when you were gone because of this reason. But.. you will not contradict my opinion and reason. Whatever you say, doesn't make it right. I understand what you're saying, and I'm not saying your wrong by any account, since N.E was a juggarnaught ever since the '01 and '02 season. Brady winning championships with the likes of David Patten, Deion Branch, and Anwtion Smith proves that Bellichick's system is suited for players such as a those just mentioned. (Moss was in Oakland and didn't produce, as was Branch in Seattle, and Patten in Cleveland, who just got cut.) It wasn't Brady that made those players, but the system of trial and error of how things are ran in N.E. Pittsburgh's front office operates the same way. We take care of our own players through the draft, and work our way outward from there. I think it's safe to say that both organizations are top notch, and it's been proven throughout this decade. I'm just saying that if Brady feels any kind of heat, then he is done. End of story. His offensive line spoiled him throughout the years. He doesn't get hit much. Same goes for Manning. Ben gets sacked almost 50 times a year, and he still produces for the offense, and is one of the main reasons we are competitive year in and year out (Ben won the Super Bowl with receivers such as Randle EL, Ward, and Cedric Wilson in '05. Pittsburgh was never noted with top notch receiving cores as well.) Pitt and N.E use different systems that work, but when it comes down to it, comparing players of a system, Ben is that style of player (more of the likes of Elway) that comes around every so often when faced with severe adversity that amounts in pressure, and turns it into his advantage. Brady has never been faced with adversity due to the system around him (short passes, underneath, using the players around him to make short attempts into big gains, etc.)

Pittsburgh is smash mouth. New England uses the underneath as their running game. Like I said, these two teams use a system that works, but when things break down with Brady or Ben, Ben is the player with the better percentage & comes out of that situation when faced with heat. Sometimes tells me we won't see Brady stiff arming Lineman to the ground and use his legs to make plays happen. He is a pocket passer who relies on his offensive line, period.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:22 am

Dude...you really need to put your Ben Roethlisberger dildo away and start watching football. Listen, I don't dislike Ben. That said, Pittsburgh wins because of their defense, period, and they always have. Hell, the 70's era Steelers were the same team. If you look at the statistics of the Pittsburgh offensive players of the 1970's who are in the Hall Of Fame, they are fucking embarrassing! They were a product of a defensive "system"! Ben manages the game well and doesn't lose games, but it's still ALL about the defense. The Patriots are usually not ranked in the top 10 defensively, and only one of their super bowl teams even cracked the top 10, defensively. Pittsburgh ALWAYS has a top three defense, and that's why they win! You can keep your hardon for Ben, but he simply isn't in the class of Brady, Manning, or Brees as a QB. I'll certainly give him his due as a guy who doesn't piss games away (Like Favre has done most of his career), but you really need to make the Steelers sound like a team that is built around the "cannon" of Ben, because that's simply not who they've ever been!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:45 pm

Enigma869 wrote:Dude...you really need to put your Ben Roethlisberger dildo away and start watching football. Listen, I don't dislike Ben. That said, Pittsburgh wins because of their defense, period, and they always have. Hell, the 70's era Steelers were the same team. If you look at the statistics of the Pittsburgh offensive players of the 1970's who are in the Hall Of Fame, they are fucking embarrassing! They were a product of a defensive "system"! Ben manages the game well and doesn't lose games, but it's still ALL about the defense. The Patriots are usually not ranked in the top 10 defensively, and only one of their super bowl teams even cracked the top 10, defensively. Pittsburgh ALWAYS has a top three defense, and that's why they win! You can keep your hardon for Ben, but he simply isn't in the class of Brady, Manning, or Brees as a QB. I'll certainly give him his due as a guy who doesn't piss games away (Like Favre has done most of his career), but you really need to make the Steelers sound like a team that is built around the "cannon" of Ben, because that's simply not who they've ever been!


Dude...you really need to put your Ben Roethlisberger dildo away and start watching football. Listen, I don't dislike Ben. That said, Pittsburgh wins because of their defense, period, and they always have.


How funny is it that you're telling me I need to put down the dildo, when reality is you do nothing but call Brady the best quarterback that ever lived and is already naming him MVP of the league, where it's proven that the Brady lovefest is EXHAUSTING when it comes to the media. He is the most pampered player of all time. With that said, I'm not saying Ben is the whole Pittsburgh Steelers team, it takes much more than 1 player to win a football game, but damn could one player be a difference maker, every team has one. I'm not making any of this shit up, or trying to make Ben out to be what he isn't. That's what wrong with fans that are ignorant to players such as Roethlisberger. He isn't on the highlight reel throwing the ball 50 yards down field every play, thus leaving people who aren't watching actual game play assuming he doesn't get the job done in other ways. It's typical.

I've never missed a Steeler game in my life, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Roethlisberger is a major part of Pittsburgh's success. They've always lacked that killer instinct at quarterback, and Ben gave us that element to put us over the edge ever since the first start of his career. Anyone with a brain and who watches Steelers games come to realize that real quick. Me talking up Ben is no different than you, or the rest of the league that feels the need to talk up Brady. Brady gets hit, and it's an instant craze on ESPN highlights, that just goes to show the love-fest for this guy. You're believing your own hype and already naming Brady MVP of the god damn league. Talk about having a dick up your ass? Critics around the NFL L-O-V-E Brady and the Patriots when truth of the matter is, they haven't won SHIT since 2004. That's 5 years. They were apart of the biggest collapse in all of sports, lost a Superbowl, and missed the playoffs in that span. I have a right to keep the dildo up my ass, esp since we are winners of 2 Championships in the last 4 years, and esp. since our overall record is 62-25 as Ben Roethlisberger as our Quarterback.


Hell, the 70's era Steelers were the same team. If you look at the statistics of the Pittsburgh offensive players of the 1970's who are in the Hall Of Fame, they are fucking embarrassing! They were a product of a defensive "system"! Ben manages the game well and doesn't lose games, but it's still ALL about the defense. The Patriots are usually not ranked in the top 10 defensively, and only one of their super bowl teams even cracked the top 10, defensively. Pittsburgh ALWAYS has a top three defense, and that's why they win!


Huh? No they weren't. The Steelers of the 70's were more of the air it out team with Bradshaw, Swann, and Stallworth with a nice rushing attack with Harris and Bleir as the halfbacks. (#'s back then can't be compared to the numbers of today's NFL!) The Steelers' of the 70's were a 4-3 defense and brought a totally different alignment than they portray now, so it wasn't 'a product of a system. Some things that never changed in Pittsburgh was the mentality of getting after somebody and knocking you in the mouth. Isn't that the way teams want to be built? You can't blame a Quarterback with that kind of insurance on the other side of the ball. Quarterbacks have a job to do also, a tough one at that. The era's between now and the 70's are virtually two different worlds apart. They cannot be compared!


You can keep your hardon for Ben, but he simply isn't in the class of Brady, Manning, or Brees as a QB. I'll certainly give him his due as a guy who doesn't piss games away (Like Favre has done most of his career), but you really need to make the Steelers sound like a team that is built around the "cannon" of Ben, because that's simply not who they've ever been!


I Will continue to stand up for Ben, as you and other N.E fans would Brady, Colts fan of Manning, and Saints fan of Brees, because the last time I checked, it was all about winning games, and that's all that matters at the end of the day.. words that came straight out of your mouth. Regarding W's and L's, Ben is indeed in the same class as Brady, Manning, and Bree's. By the way, it wasn't too long ago that Ben was # 2 in the league in all statistical categories, only being behind Brady after his FREAKISH year playing the Quarterback position in 2007. Again, Pittsburgh is not a system to set up Ben to have the #'s Brady or Manning can operate. Even though the defense carried Pittsburgh, it was Ben and the offense that orchestrated last minutes drives, and the length of the field to put teams away in the final seconds year in and year out. Look it up, Ben is one of the best QB's of clutch football. It's right there on tape or in the books.

I need to call you out on a question. Do you really think Tom Brady could survive behind the Steelers offensive line with rushers coming free on almost every drop back? Do you believe Brady can get out of the line of fire and elude the pass rush as well as Roethliseberger and still make it look as easy as it is when sitting there for 7 seconds? If you answer YES, you are a MORON.

This is tiring. It's going to go back and forth as we beat this in the dirt every year. I know your stance and you know mine. I'm not going to change your opinion and you're certainly not going to change mine. When it comes down to it, look at the evidence in front of you. That's all we have. Both of these teams and Quarterbacks made their staple in the league and nothing of what we say is going to change that, regardless of style points.
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:43 pm

QB's McNabb......backups, Hasselbeck and Palmer

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Brandon Jacobs.........I also got Steve Slaton in the 5th round, he was projected as the #7 player overall!! :D

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Vincent Jackson
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TE Zach Miller

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Backups, Slaton, Hasselbeck, Palmer, Santonio Holmes, Joseph Addai, Laveranues Coles.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:25 am

Pittsburgh is the best team in the NFL. They have a bruising ground game, an incredible defense and it's only gotten better. Also, Pittsburgh's style is perfectly styled for cold weather playoff games. Run the ball, play it relatively safe on offense and let your defense win the field position battle. They have an incredible attacking defense that swarms to the ball and forces a lot of turnovers and/or 3 and outs.

New England seems to be getting a bit older and the Giants took a lot of their "mystique" away by beating them in the Super Bowl. That said, as long as Tom Brady is under center they have a chance to beat a team led by Jesus Christ. The problem lies in their defense. It's slower, older and lacks speed. They've lost a few too many big time players and the team will probably be forced to outscore teams, where Pittsburgh can still beat you in a high scoring game or a low scoring one.

A playoff game between these two teams is anyone's game to win, but I have to give Pittsburgh a slight advantage simply because they're better on defense, are more physical and have a game style that is more conducive to cold weather. One of these teams is going to win the Super Bowl.
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:02 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Deano, why do you have a boner for San Diego? You said the same thing last year, all awhile playing in the worst division in football, and they choked. San Diego was always a tough squad, and always 1 player away from being on the brink of a title run year in and year out. Too bad they fold at the wrong times, and are just out classed by other organizations such as NE (when they aren't cheating) Pitt, or even Indy. If SD wants to make noise as a contender and not a pretender, this is their time to do it, but I don't think that will be the case as I feel they aren't as good as you say.


I don't have a boner for SD...Hell, I think the NFL sucks. That being said, I like Minnesota out of the NFC and if you think about it, SD lost at PIT 11-10. Rivers might get the MVP this year. Oh and you're right about the AFC west being the worst. That's why SD may have home field advantage come December time.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:00 am

Saint John wrote:Pittsburgh is the best team in the NFL. They have a bruising ground game, an incredible defense and it's only gotten better. Also, Pittsburgh's style is perfectly styled for cold weather playoff games. Run the ball, play it relatively safe on offense and let your defense win the field position battle. They have an incredible attacking defense that swarms to the ball and forces a lot of turnovers and/or 3 and outs.

New England seems to be getting a bit older and the Giants took a lot of their "mystique" away by beating them in the Super Bowl. That said, as long as Tom Brady is under center they have a chance to beat a team led by Jesus Christ. The problem lies in their defense. It's slower, older and lacks speed. They've lost a few too many big time players and the team will probably be forced to outscore teams, where Pittsburgh can still beat you in a high scoring game or a low scoring one.

A playoff game between these two teams is anyone's game to win, but I have to give Pittsburgh a slight advantage simply because they're better on defense, are more physical and have a game style that is more conducive to cold weather. One of these teams is going to win the Super Bowl.


N.E lost many key veterans on the defensive side of the ball, esp. Bruschi and Seymour. Like John said, N.E's defense was never really that great, but New England's best defense was their offense, and they manage the game through under neath route's, almost using it as their running game/clock control, thus always have fresh legs on defense and always pinning their ears back because the offense would run up the scores as early as the second quarter. It's easy for a defense to play with a big lead and fresh legs since you can call many blitzes you wouldn't if a game was tight. But that was New England's Achilles heal the last couple years, a slow defense, esp up the middle and on the defensive fronts. They aren't built to stay on the field too long, and when they were, they really looked bad and got taken advantaged of. I suspect it to be worse this year as it's a year of rebuilding for the defense and there will be mis-matches and mistakes. But New England will always be in good shape with that offense, using it as their best defense throughout the season. Still, Bellicheat is one of the best, if not THEE best coach in the league that positions his personal perfectly on the field and uses the talent he got best to their advantage.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:08 am

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Saint John wrote:Pittsburgh is the best team in the NFL. They have a bruising ground game, an incredible defense and it's only gotten better. Also, Pittsburgh's style is perfectly styled for cold weather playoff games. Run the ball, play it relatively safe on offense and let your defense win the field position battle. They have an incredible attacking defense that swarms to the ball and forces a lot of turnovers and/or 3 and outs.

New England seems to be getting a bit older and the Giants took a lot of their "mystique" away by beating them in the Super Bowl. That said, as long as Tom Brady is under center they have a chance to beat a team led by Jesus Christ. The problem lies in their defense. It's slower, older and lacks speed. They've lost a few too many big time players and the team will probably be forced to outscore teams, where Pittsburgh can still beat you in a high scoring game or a low scoring one.

A playoff game between these two teams is anyone's game to win, but I have to give Pittsburgh a slight advantage simply because they're better on defense, are more physical and have a game style that is more conducive to cold weather. One of these teams is going to win the Super Bowl.


N.E lost many key veterans on the defensive side of the ball, esp. Bruschi and Seymour. Like John said, N.E's defense was never really that great, but New England's best defense was their offense, and they manage the game through under neath route's, almost using it as their running game/clock control, thus always have fresh legs on defense and always pinning their ears back because the offense would run up the scores as early as the second quarter. It's easy for a defense to play with a big lead and fresh legs since you can call many blitzes you wouldn't if a game was tight. But that was New England's Achilles heal the last couple years, a slow defense, esp up the middle and on the defensive fronts. They aren't built to stay on the field too long, and when they were, they really looked bad and got taken advantaged of. I suspect it to be worse this year as it's a year of rebuilding for the defense and there will be mis-matches and mistakes. But New England will always be in good shape with that offense, using it as their best defense throughout the season.


Shitty passing conditions deep in the playoffs+Pittsburgh's defense=advantage Pittsburgh. Either team could win, but I just think Pittsburgh would win more times than not. By the end of the season, bumps, bruises, pulled muscles and injured players will probably make a big difference. But, right now, Pittsburgh is the better team.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:04 am

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Saint John wrote:Pittsburgh is the best team in the NFL. They have a bruising ground game, an incredible defense and it's only gotten better. Also, Pittsburgh's style is perfectly styled for cold weather playoff games. Run the ball, play it relatively safe on offense and let your defense win the field position battle. They have an incredible attacking defense that swarms to the ball and forces a lot of turnovers and/or 3 and outs.

New England seems to be getting a bit older and the Giants took a lot of their "mystique" away by beating them in the Super Bowl. That said, as long as Tom Brady is under center they have a chance to beat a team led by Jesus Christ. The problem lies in their defense. It's slower, older and lacks speed. They've lost a few too many big time players and the team will probably be forced to outscore teams, where Pittsburgh can still beat you in a high scoring game or a low scoring one.

A playoff game between these two teams is anyone's game to win, but I have to give Pittsburgh a slight advantage simply because they're better on defense, are more physical and have a game style that is more conducive to cold weather. One of these teams is going to win the Super Bowl.


N.E lost many key veterans on the defensive side of the ball, esp. Bruschi and Seymour. Like John said, N.E's defense was never really that great, but New England's best defense was their offense, and they manage the game through under neath route's, almost using it as their running game/clock control, thus always have fresh legs on defense and always pinning their ears back because the offense would run up the scores as early as the second quarter. It's easy for a defense to play with a big lead and fresh legs since you can call many blitzes you wouldn't if a game was tight. But that was New England's Achilles heal the last couple years, a slow defense, esp up the middle and on the defensive fronts. They aren't built to stay on the field too long, and when they were, they really looked bad and got taken advantaged of. I suspect it to be worse this year as it's a year of rebuilding for the defense and there will be mis-matches and mistakes. But New England will always be in good shape with that offense, using it as their best defense throughout the season.


Shitty passing conditions deep in the playoffs+Pittsburgh's defense=advantage Pittsburgh. Either team could win, but I just think Pittsburgh would win more times than not. By the end of the season, bumps, bruises, pulled muscles and injured players will probably make a big difference. But, right now, Pittsburgh is the better team.


I agree, esp comparing the two teams this year, Pittsburgh clearly has the advantage when comparing with any team in the league. The Steelers were always a talented team, and have been dominating for decades of being consistent, and always be in prime position to make a deep run in the playoffs. But, looking at this 2009 team as a whole, this has to be the deepest talented team we've ever had, and they've certainly grabbed my attention depth wise. We've always had a glearing weakness somewhere that stalemated us through the years, but this team here, who is locked up for many years, doesn't really have a glaring weakness other than the O-line, who should and will be better.

New England came in here before in late January and beat us, twice to be exact in Title games. They seem to have Pittsburgh's number over this decade and always finds a way to beat us when games count the most, regardless of weather, or time of the year. This defense Pittsburgh has put together isn't the same and basically has 0 holes and shows little, if any weakness, something Bellicheat has always seemed to find in previous meetings. This defense now plays ruthless, self-less, fast, and a smart style coupled in with veterans & athletes teams would dream to have. A Pitt/NE rematch would have to be in January, and I would welcome the match up. New England's window of opportunity is closing in a hurry.
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:53 am

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Shitty passing conditions deep in the playoffs+Pittsburgh's defense=advantage Pittsburgh. Either team could win, but I just think Pittsburgh would win more times than not. By the end of the season, bumps, bruises, pulled muscles and injured players will probably make a big difference. But, right now, Pittsburgh is the better team.


That card doesn't play well anymore. When I was at college with Drew Bledsoe, it was Apple Cup week against the hated Huskies and the game was in Pullman. The forecast was for driving snow. I asked him if they would try to win it on the ground and he said "fuck that." With the bad weather, the defense is playing reactionary to the offense. The offense (receiver and QB), know where the ball is going, the D-back does not. That said, WSU annihilated UW 32-14 and Bledsoe had 300+ yards in the air(snow and all).

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Postby lights1961 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:14 am

dont forget about he NFC north...the bears made huge improvement with Cutler... if he lasts the whole year... and if that damn QB name Farve makes it through the whole year the vikings are a threat, as their team looks amazing... and if Rogers has a break out year for the PACK...that division will be one to watch...

GO PACK GO is all I will say.
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Postby Maui Tom » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:16 am

I somehow got AP and Steve Slaton as my running backs in a 10 team league...A Rodgers at QB...
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:18 am

lights1961 wrote:dont forget about he NFC north...the bears made huge improvement with Cutler... if he lasts the whole year... and if that damn QB name Farve makes it through the whole year the vikings are a threat, as their team looks amazing... and if Rogers has a break out year for the PACK...that division will be one to watch...

GO PACK GO is all I will say.


Yeah but you conveniently forgot the 2nd worst team in the league- Detroit. (Raiders are the worst). The Kitties bring down the entire cumulative GPA so to speak.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:21 am

Hines Ward put it perfectly on what exactly is the Steelers way. I love the comment he made to Santonio Holmes.



"I was thinking about it in the offseason. '800 catches! Damn, that's a lot of catches!'" Ward said, grinning.

All of his numbers are staggering for multiple reasons.

One, he has played with six quarterbacks: Kordell Stewart, Mike Tomczak, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, Charlie Batch and Roethlisberger. "I never had a Joe Montana like Jerry Rice did or a Troy Aikman like Michael Irvin did -- until now," Ward said of Roethlisberger.

Two, he has caught a lot of balls in bad weather and sloppy conditions at Three Rivers Stadium and Heinz Field unlike, say, NFL receiving stars Marvin Harrison and Cris Carter, who played in domes.

Three, he plays for a successful organization that mostly plays from ahead in games and tries to kill clock by running the ball instead of playing from behind and throwing on every down.

And four, the Steelers long have believed in winning with a power running game.


"That's why I think comparing my stats to some other guys is like comparing apples and oranges," Ward said. "All I know is nothing was ever given to me. So much hard work went into it. That's why my career means so much to me. It's not all about stats. It's about playing football and having fun."

That wasn't always the case with Ward. "Stats used to mean everything to me," he said. Then, he found that the joy of winning was even better. As he likes to mentor Holmes, "'We don't play for stats around here, we play for rings.'"

Ward mentioned Houston Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson. "I love him. He's a phenomenal wideout. When we played them last year, he had like 10 catches for 100-some yards. But we killed them." Ward also brought up Calvin Johnson of the Detroit Lions. "A phenomenal athlete. He catches balls all day. But they didn't win a game ... I tell Santonio all the time, 'Don't get caught up in the Pro Bowls and the fantasy league stuff. You can catch 100 balls every year, but, if we lose, what fun is that?'"


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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:55 am

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Shitty passing conditions deep in the playoffs+Pittsburgh's defense=advantage Pittsburgh.


The only problem with that argument is that New England is further north and has shittier weather than Pittsburgh. The other thing you're overlooking is that the Patriots have won THREE championships, and not a single one of them was won by running the football. They throw the ball, regardless of how shitty the weather is!

Saint John wrote: I just think Pittsburgh would win more times than not.


Not lately, they haven't. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'm fairly certain that the Patriots have OWNED the Steelers over the past 10 years, and I don't think Pittsburgh has won a single playoff game against them, even when they were making their Super Bowl reservations before they played the Patriots back in 2001 or 2003!

Saint John wrote: But, right now, Pittsburgh is the better team.


Based on what? Hell, I completely concede that Pittsburgh could be the better team, but I'm certainly not claiming that as a fact before I've seen either team play a single game!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:25 am

Not lately, they haven't. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'm fairly certain that the Patriots have OWNED the Steelers over the past 10 years, and I don't think Pittsburgh has won a single playoff game against them, even when they were making their Super Bowl reservations before they played the Patriots back in 2001 or 2004!


Since 2001, off the top of my head, the Steelers are 2-5 against New England, overall including playoffs. These games were:

2001 AFC Championship Game: New England Wins 24-17 (Special teams MELTDOWN for PITT; Nice comeback, Kordell threw 2 picks in the closing drives to tie)
2002 Opening Night: New England Wins 34-17
2004: Halloween Game: Pittsburgh crushes N.E at home 34-20 (One of Brady's worst days)
2004: AFC Championship Game: New England wins easily 41-27 from an offensive meltdown from the rookie led QB
2005: New England wins in Pittsburgh in the final minutes, 23-20 (Great Game)
2007: New England crushes Pittsburgh in N.E 34-13 (Anthony Smith)
2008: Steelers annihilate N.E in N.E 33-10. (Bradyless)

The only time I remember the Steelers beating New England in a playoff game was in 1997 Divisional round in Pittsburgh, 7-6. I remember Kordell Stewart ran a 70 or so yard touchdown to put the Steelers ahead for good. The year before in 1996 Curtis Martin tore us apart in the fog against a beat up, Mike Tomszack led Steelers team in New England.

One of the greatest games I've ever watched (in my case, listened to) was the '97 season where The Steelers beat New England in New England on Kevin Henry's interception return. I remember Kordell hitting Yancy Thigpen in the closing seconds to force overtime, coming from behind, or was it 2 point conversion? I think it was 2 point conversion to force OT. I believe N.E was on pace going for home field that year. I was down in my aunts basement listening to it on the radio because my grandfather wanted to sleep upstairs and we had to listen to it down stairs in the cellar. Nerve racking to say the least. I was only like 9 or 10 years old at the time, going nuts. One of the best, on your edge games in Steelers / N.E history.
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Postby Maui Tom » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:34 am

Arizona played and almost WON the SB last year...all of us collectively really know ZILCH..... :)
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Postby Saint John » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:58 am

Enigma869 wrote: The other thing you're overlooking is that the Patriots have won THREE championships, and not a single one of them was won by running the football.


In all 3 wins they rushed for 100+ yards. In their lone loss (with Brady) they did not run for 100 yards.



Enigma869 wrote: Not lately, they haven't. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'm fairly certain that the Patriots have OWNED the Steelers over the past 10 years, and I don't think Pittsburgh has won a single playoff game against them, even when they were making their Super Bowl reservations before they played the Patriots back in 2001 or 2003!


I'm commenting on the 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers and not the "past 10 years."



Enigma869 wrote: Based on what?


Based on the fact that they won the fucking Super Bowl last year and they're better this year. That's what!


Enigma869 wrote: Hell, I completely concede that Pittsburgh could be the better team, but I'm certainly not claiming that as a fact before I've seen either team play a single game!


This is as dumb a comment as this thread has. I haven't seen the Raiders "play a single game" and I know they're gonna suck. Are you honestly saying that you don't "think" certain teams are going to be better than other ones until you watch a few games? And I never claimed anything as fact. I posted an informed sports opinion.
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Postby Rick » Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:01 am

Maui Tom wrote:Arizona played and almost WON the SB last year...all of us collectively really know ZILCH..... :)


Arizona is supposed to be better this year than last. We'll have to keep an eye peeled on them for sure.
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:23 am

Rick wrote:
Maui Tom wrote:Arizona played and almost WON the SB last year...all of us collectively really know ZILCH..... :)


Arizona is supposed to be better this year than last. We'll have to keep an eye peeled on them for sure.


AZ might not win their division. Hasselback is back. Holmgren is gone, TJ Houshmewhateverthefuckhisnameis is in SEA. Remember, AZ was only 9-7 last year. I look for a flat year from them.
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