President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

its here where you're literally shown to the door if your dont have $$ and or insurance....

What a lie. Ever sit in a Public Hospital ER? How can you spew that nonsense?

Before they even TALK to you, even if youre dying, they will have you fill out 10 forms so they can find out who is paying the bill.

Incorrect. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) prevents a hospital from asking any questions regarding payment until a medical screening examination has been performed by a qualified medical professional, and any necessary stabilizing treatment has been given for any person presenting requesting treatment for an emergency condition or if they think the may be in labor.

well I guess theyre not that good in following those laws in my area, as Ive seen it over and over again happen here. Last I went there with major pain and what turned out to be a kidney stone, they wouldnt even let me sit on the damn bed before I had filled out all the forms with my info and my insurance info....

A kidney stone while painful, is not life threatening.

[Behshad]

Here in this country my opinion does matter because of my representatives in D.C. Though he's working on changing it, this isn't yet the third world dictatorship that you wish it was.

Well lets see how they will change everything in D.C based on requests and opinions from Redwingfan

Don't know if you're reading too fast or what, but your comprehension sucks.

Your represantitive is hiding behind a microphone in a radio studio, like has in years..... All Talk , NO action.....Just like yourself

You honestly think that YOUR personal opinions will reach to YOUR represantive in DC and make a change?

[Behshad]

its here where you're literally shown to the door if your dont have $$ and or insurance....

What a lie. Ever sit in a Public Hospital ER? How can you spew that nonsense?

Before they even TALK to you, even if youre dying, they will have you fill out 10 forms so they can find out who is paying the bill.

Incorrect. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) prevents a hospital from asking any questions regarding payment until a medical screening examination has been performed by a qualified medical professional, and any necessary stabilizing treatment has been given for any person presenting requesting treatment for an emergency condition or if they think the may be in labor.

well I guess theyre not that good in following those laws in my area, as Ive seen it over and over again happen here. Last I went there with major pain and what turned out to be a kidney stone, they wouldnt even let me sit on the damn bed before I had filled out all the forms with my info and my insurance info....

A kidney stone while painful, is not life threatening.

Thanks Dr Stu,,,, And at the time they didnt know what it was,,, I was in major pain, and they had me fill out the paperwork before they examined me.....

[RedWingFan]

I do agree the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot, especially with a rude interuption like that from Representative Wilson.

Bull, Libs had no quarrels when the Dems booed Bush during The SOTU 2005 address. Joe Wilson is my hero today.

OF COURSE NOT...that is my whole point. Conservatives need to things BETTER than the liberals. In their conduct, in their ideas and everything.

Stooping to the level of the competition doesn't bring them up, it drags you down.

Stu, if you're watching a Steelers game where the officials are blatantly allowing offensive holding by the other team. The Steelers then have the ball and the tight end gets beaten around the outside, you want that TE to hold or let him have a clean shot at Ben?

[Angel]

That's because when they asked you about insurance and knew you had it, they let the billing clerk do her job while you waited on the Dr. If you had said, "no insurance", or better yet, "no hablas english" they still would have treated you. If they had shown you the door you could have owned the place.

Actually, the question should not even be asked until a medical screening exam has been performed.....but-that really may have been done early on-many times it's a nurse that has met qualifications to perform medical screening exams (MSE) that greets patients as they come in to the ER-then after a brief history determines the problem to either be NOT life threatening, life threatening, or in need of further evaluation to decide, at which time they would then decide if the patient must be seen now or could wait.

[Blueskies]

its here where you're literally shown to the door if your dont have $$ and or insurance....

What a lie. Ever sit in a Public Hospital ER? How can you spew that nonsense?

Before they even TALK to you, even if youre dying, they will have you fill out 10 forms so they can find out who is paying the bill.

Incorrect. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) prevents a hospital from asking any questions regarding payment until a medical screening examination has been performed by a qualified medical professional, and any necessary stabilizing treatment has been given for any person presenting requesting treatment for an emergency condition or if they think the may be in labor.

well I guess theyre not that good in following those laws in my area, as Ive seen it over and over again happen here. Last I went there with major pain and what turned out to be a kidney stone, they wouldnt even let me sit on the damn bed before I had filled out all the forms with my info and my insurance info....

Well it's not just your area that the law isn't being followed then. I've lived in several states and have family in more and the only times that me, my children, my parents , my brothers and sisters or any members of my extended family have ever been given treatment in the ER before filling out forms for payment is when it was an extreme emergency and the person was brought in by ambulance and unconscience.....and in that case they grab the next of kin as soon as they get in the door. Unless you are unconscience or wheeled in dying on a gurney the FIRST thing you see is the payment forms ,not the evaluation and treatment room.

[RedWingFan]

its here where you're literally shown to the door if your dont have $$ and or insurance....

What a lie. Ever sit in a Public Hospital ER? How can you spew that nonsense?

Before they even TALK to you, even if youre dying, they will have you fill out 10 forms so they can find out who is paying the bill.

Incorrect. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) prevents a hospital from asking any questions regarding payment until a medical screening examination has been performed by a qualified medical professional, and any necessary stabilizing treatment has been given for any person presenting requesting treatment for an emergency condition or if they think the may be in labor.

well I guess theyre not that good in following those laws in my area, as Ive seen it over and over again happen here. Last I went there with major pain and what turned out to be a kidney stone, they wouldnt even let me sit on the damn bed before I had filled out all the forms with my info and my insurance info....

That's because when they asked you about insurance and knew you had it, they let the billing clerk do her job while you waited on the Dr. If you had said, "no insurance", or better yet, "no hablas english" they still would have treated you. If they had shown you the door you could have owned the place.

Dude, why do you have to go and blow up the guys whole argument like that for?

[Eric]

Thanks Dr Stu,,,, And at the time they didnt know what it was,,, I was in major pain, and they had me fill out the paperwork before they examined me.....

Pussy

[Behshad]

Thanks Dr Stu,,,, And at the time they didnt know what it was,,, I was in major pain, and they had me fill out the paperwork before they examined me.....

Pussy

I am what I eat, Dick

[Blueskies]

That's because when they asked you about insurance and knew you had it, they let the billing clerk do her job while you waited on the Dr. If you had said, "no insurance", or better yet, "no hablas english" they still would have treated you. If they had shown you the door you could have owned the place.

Actually, the question should not even be asked until a medical screening exam has been performed.....but-that really may have been done early on-many times it's a nurse that has met qualifications to perform medical screening exams (MSE) that greets patients as they come in to the ER-then after a brief history determines the problem to either be NOT life threatening, life threatening, or in need of further evaluation to decide, at which time they would then decide if the patient must be seen now or could wait.

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

[RedWingFan]

OT but great news..

First on TVNewser: John Stossel, the longtime ABC News correspondent and co-anchor of "20/20," is leaving ABC to join Fox News Channel and Fox Business Network. TVNewser has learned Stossel will host a weekly, one-hour program for the 2-year-old business channel. He's expected to signed a multi-year deal with Fox which will include regular appearances on Fox News Channel during daytime and primetime. He'll also host four, hour-long specials on Fox News, much like the business/consumer specials he'd hosted for years on ABC.

Don't know if it's great news or not. Stossel does some great work. I think ABC's wanted to get rid of him for not following the propaganda conga line.
Always loved how Barbara Walters would give him a disgusted glare after one of his pieces on inefficient government.
Stossel was a lone voice at ABC. I'd rather have him there poking eyes than preaching to the choir at Fox.

[Angel]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Well you certainly would have been seen quicker and would not have been asked any questions until the bleeding was under control.

At least now you know that if you are asked questions about payment before being seen in the ER you can threaten them with reporting an EMTALA violation and that will probably get you seen very quickly since it's a $25,000 fine to the hosptial for every violation.

[RossValoryRocks]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Sorry I just don't believe you.

If you were bleeding that bad they never would have had you wait.

Again, not life threatening.

Again, the sheet they have you sign is a promise to pay, if able. But they cannot deny you medical treatment on your ability to pay or not.

You think the wait is bad here? Go to a Canadian or British hospital and see how long it takes to get seen for ANYTHING, let alone an emergency.

[RedWingFan]

That's because when they asked you about insurance and knew you had it, they let the billing clerk do her job while you waited on the Dr. If you had said, "no insurance", or better yet, "no hablas english" they still would have treated you. If they had shown you the door you could have owned the place.

Actually, the question should not even be asked until a medical screening exam has been performed.....but-that really may have been done early on-many times it's a nurse that has met qualifications to perform medical screening exams (MSE) that greets patients as they come in to the ER-then after a brief history determines the problem to either be NOT life threatening, life threatening, or in need of further evaluation to decide, at which time they would then decide if the patient must be seen now or could wait.

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

If you were in Canada you'd still be waiting!!!

[Ehwmatt]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Sorry I just don't believe you.

If you were bleeding that bad they never would have had you wait.

Again, not life threatening.

Again, the sheet they have you sign is a promise to pay, if able. But they cannot deny you medical treatment on your ability to pay or not.

You think the wait is bad here? Go to a Canadian or British hospital and see how long it takes to get seen for ANYTHING, let alone an emergency.

Almost all anecdotes of this nature are lies or completely exaggerated at best

[Blueskies]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Well you certainly would have been seen quicker and would not have been asked any questions until the bleeding was under control.

At least now you know that if you are asked questions about payment before being seen in the ER you can threaten them with reporting an EMTALA violation and that will probably get you seen very quickly since it's a $25,000 fine to the hosptial for every violation.

Good to know.

[Angel]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Well you certainly would have been seen quicker and would not have been asked any questions until the bleeding was under control.

At least now you know that if you are asked questions about payment before being seen in the ER you can threaten them with reporting an EMTALA violation and that will probably get you seen very quickly since it's a $25,000 fine to the hosptial for every violation.

Good to know.

But keep in mind that if you are seen by a nurse/doctor/ EMT, whoever the hosptial has performing their MSE's and it is not determined to be life threatening, you are still subject to having to wait for hours to be seen and will most likely be asked questions regarding insurance and payment information while you wait. EMTALA does not guarantee that you will be seen and treated quickly unless you have a life threatening emergency-or you are in active labor.

[Blueskies]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Sorry I just don't believe you.

If you were bleeding that bad they never would have had you wait.

Again, not life threatening.

Again, the sheet they have you sign is a promise to pay, if able. But they cannot deny you medical treatment on your ability to pay or not.

You think the wait is bad here? Go to a Canadian or British hospital and see how long it takes to get seen for ANYTHING, let alone an emergency.

Almost all anecdotes of this nature are lies or completely exaggerated at best

Excuse me? I think you are completetly rude to say that my experience is a lie. It happened and all of my family know it happened. It happens all the time in emergency rooms all over this country. There are good hospitals and there are bad. There are good medical professionals and there are bad. I also entered college initially as a nursing student and then after my training went from the classroom and into the hospital I saw the way things worked in that hospital that I didn't think were right. I thought if thats the way it is and what I would have to deal with then it wasn't a profession for me so I changed my major.

Hey,...if you have a life experience and state it I'm not about to call you a liar on here because I don't know you or have lived your life to know if you had the experience or not. Why are you so rude to say that? Does that make your political stance and party look good? Does it prove anything to the point of discussion or does it just make you an ass? I would say the latter.

[RedWingFan]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Sorry I just don't believe you.

If you were bleeding that bad they never would have had you wait.

Again, not life threatening.

Again, the sheet they have you sign is a promise to pay, if able. But they cannot deny you medical treatment on your ability to pay or not.

You think the wait is bad here? Go to a Canadian or British hospital and see how long it takes to get seen for ANYTHING, let alone an emergency.

Almost all anecdotes of this nature are lies or completely exaggerated at best

Excuse me? I think you are completetly rude to say that my experience is a lie. It happened and all of my family know it happened. It happens all the time in emergency rooms all over this country. There are good hospitals and there are bad. There are good medical professionals and there are bad. I also entered college initially as a nursing student and then after my training went from the classroom and into the hospital I saw the way things worked in that hospital that I didn't think were right. I thought if thats the way it is and what I would have to deal with then it wasn't a profession for me so I changed my major.

Hey,...if you have a life experience and state it I'm not about to call you a liar on here because I don't know you or have lived your life to know if you had the experience or not. Why are you so rude to say that? Does that make your political stance and party look good? Does it prove anything to the point of discussion or does it just make you an ass? I would say the latter.

He didn't say you were lying. He said... "Almost all anecdotes of this nature are lies...." He was talking about most people, not necessarily you. Quit looking for a fight for a second.

[Ehwmatt]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Sorry I just don't believe you.

If you were bleeding that bad they never would have had you wait.

Again, not life threatening.

Again, the sheet they have you sign is a promise to pay, if able. But they cannot deny you medical treatment on your ability to pay or not.

You think the wait is bad here? Go to a Canadian or British hospital and see how long it takes to get seen for ANYTHING, let alone an emergency.

Almost all anecdotes of this nature are lies or completely exaggerated at best

Excuse me? I think you are completetly rude to say that my experience is a lie. It happened and all of my family know it happened. It happens all the time in emergency rooms all over this country. There are good hospitals and there are bad. There are good medical professionals and there are bad. I also entered college initially as a nursing student and then after my training went from the classroom and into the hospital I saw the way things worked in that hospital that I didn't think were right. I thought if thats the way it is and what I would have to deal with then it wasn't a profession for me so I changed my major.

Hey,...if you have a life experience and state it I'm not about to call you a liar on here because I don't know you or have lived your life to know if you had the experience or not. Why are you so rude to say that? Does that make your political stance and party look good? Does it prove anything to the point of discussion or does it just make you an ass? I would say the latter.

He didn't say you were lying. He said... "Almost all anecdotes of this nature are lies...." He was talking about most people, not necessarily you. Quit looking for a fight for a second.

You have been excused see RWF above^^

[RedWingFan]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Well you certainly would have been seen quicker and would not have been asked any questions until the bleeding was under control.

At least now you know that if you are asked questions about payment before being seen in the ER you can threaten them with reporting an EMTALA violation and that will probably get you seen very quickly since it's a $25,000 fine to the hosptial for every violation.

Natalie, does this also apply to mental institutions????

[Melissa]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Sorry I just don't believe you.

If you were bleeding that bad they never would have had you wait.

Again, not life threatening.

Again, the sheet they have you sign is a promise to pay, if able. But they cannot deny you medical treatment on your ability to pay or not.

You think the wait is bad here? Go to a Canadian or British hospital and see how long it takes to get seen for ANYTHING, let alone an emergency.

Agreed. I'm a triage nurse, and having a profusely bleeding patient wait 3 hours just doesn't sound right at all. I'm shocked at all these supposed crappy ER's mentioned here. That's never happened to any of our patients, anyone I know, or anyone in my family. And like you said, if it's not deemed life threatening, then yes at some point after you're triaged then of course those insurance people walk in and gather your info. Been happening that way for as long as I can remember. Happened in May when my son was thought to have appendicitis. He was first triaged immediately, stuck in a room (much to the nasty looks from parents there with kids who just had cold symptoms climbing all over the waiting room like nothing's wrong), and then sure enough while we waited for the surgeon to come walking in, along came Ms. Insurance Clerk, lol. Didn't bother me a bit, I filled out what I needed to and handed her our insurance card while at the same time holding the bucket my son was puking in from the pain he was in.

[Behshad]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Well you certainly would have been seen quicker and would not have been asked any questions until the bleeding was under control.

At least now you know that if you are asked questions about payment before being seen in the ER you can threaten them with reporting an EMTALA violation and that will probably get you seen very quickly since it's a $25,000 fine to the hosptial for every violation.

Natalie, does this also apply to mental institutions????

Yes, no worries man, you will be treated promptly, even tho you usually show them your library card as insurance card

[RedWingFan]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Well you certainly would have been seen quicker and would not have been asked any questions until the bleeding was under control.

At least now you know that if you are asked questions about payment before being seen in the ER you can threaten them with reporting an EMTALA violation and that will probably get you seen very quickly since it's a $25,000 fine to the hosptial for every violation.

Natalie, does this also apply to mental institutions????

Yes, no worries man, you will be treated promptly, even tho you usually show them your library card as insurance card

[Angel]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Well you certainly would have been seen quicker and would not have been asked any questions until the bleeding was under control.

At least now you know that if you are asked questions about payment before being seen in the ER you can threaten them with reporting an EMTALA violation and that will probably get you seen very quickly since it's a $25,000 fine to the hosptial for every violation.

Natalie, does this also apply to mental institutions????

Haha...no.

[Rockindeano]

Rick, The ENTIRE system is broken. EVERYONE is paying too much. He didn't lie. He is trying to accomplish a humanly mission, a mission that should have been done decades ago. He is great when he is Candidate Obama, but not so great when he governs from the WH. Last night, he buried the latter problem. Up 14 points. Nice.

He rightfully called the republicans liars and indirectly, Palin as the biggest fraud of them all(you get that?). Then a SC bozo yells out Liar, and all Hell has broken out yet again in the GOP. Just when they thought they weren't dead anymore, boom! Back in the box. Hahahahaha, fuck em. They are so embarrassing.

Of course he is going to get a bounce...every President does when he has a "chat" with Congress....it will be gone by early next week, and drop further after.

I do agree the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot, especially with a rude interuption like that from Representative Wilson.

Where does he think he is the UK?

Who cares. Can you meet me in Philly 10/20. I am ticketed dude. I posted here cause I lost your digits.

[Blueskies]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Well you certainly would have been seen quicker and would not have been asked any questions until the bleeding was under control.

At least now you know that if you are asked questions about payment before being seen in the ER you can threaten them with reporting an EMTALA violation and that will probably get you seen very quickly since it's a $25,000 fine to the hosptial for every violation.

Good to know.

But keep in mind that if you are seen by a nurse/doctor/ EMT, whoever the hosptial has performing their MSE's and it is not determined to be life threatening, you are still subject to having to wait for hours to be seen and will most likely be asked questions regarding insurance and payment information while you wait. EMTALA does not guarantee that you will be seen and treated quickly unless you have a life threatening emergency-or you are in active labor.

If I was evaluated first and they thought I could wait for treatment then thats fine. Give me the form after evaluation. Problem was they didn't do that..it was form first evaluation later. The ER was extremely busy, understaffed and there were people hollering for treatment left and right. I filled out the payment form and waited my turn.

[Rockindeano]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Sorry I just don't believe you.

If you were bleeding that bad they never would have had you wait.

Again, not life threatening.

Again, the sheet they have you sign is a promise to pay, if able. But they cannot deny you medical treatment on your ability to pay or not.

You think the wait is bad here? Go to a Canadian or British hospital and see how long it takes to get seen for ANYTHING, let alone an emergency.

Agreed. I'm a triage nurse, and having a profusely bleeding patient wait 3 hours just doesn't sound right at all. I'm shocked at all these supposed crappy ER's mentioned here. That's never happened to any of our patients, anyone I know, or anyone in my family. And like you said, if it's not deemed life threatening, then yes at some point after you're triaged then of course those insurance people walk in and gather your info. Been happening that way for as long as I can remember. Happened in May when my son was thought to have appendicitis. He was first triaged immediately, stuck in a room (much to the nasty looks from parents there with kids who just had cold symptoms climbing all over the waiting room like nothing's wrong), and then sure enough while we waited for the surgeon to come walking in, along came Ms. Insurance Clerk, lol. Didn't bother me a bit, I filled out what I needed to and handed her our insurance card while at the same time holding the bucket my son was puking in from the pain he was in.

Melissa, I would and will never doubt you, but here in LA, at Dr King memorial, people die in the waiting room! Yes, it's an awful hospital, underfunded, and all that, but it does happen here in America.

[Melissa]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Sorry I just don't believe you.

If you were bleeding that bad they never would have had you wait.

Again, not life threatening.

Again, the sheet they have you sign is a promise to pay, if able. But they cannot deny you medical treatment on your ability to pay or not.

You think the wait is bad here? Go to a Canadian or British hospital and see how long it takes to get seen for ANYTHING, let alone an emergency.

Agreed. I'm a triage nurse, and having a profusely bleeding patient wait 3 hours just doesn't sound right at all. I'm shocked at all these supposed crappy ER's mentioned here. That's never happened to any of our patients, anyone I know, or anyone in my family. And like you said, if it's not deemed life threatening, then yes at some point after you're triaged then of course those insurance people walk in and gather your info. Been happening that way for as long as I can remember. Happened in May when my son was thought to have appendicitis. He was first triaged immediately, stuck in a room (much to the nasty looks from parents there with kids who just had cold symptoms climbing all over the waiting room like nothing's wrong), and then sure enough while we waited for the surgeon to come walking in, along came Ms. Insurance Clerk, lol. Didn't bother me a bit, I filled out what I needed to and handed her our insurance card while at the same time holding the bucket my son was puking in from the pain he was in.

Melissa, I would and will never doubt you, but here in LA, at Dr King memorial, people die in the waiting room! Yes, it's an awful hospital, underfunded, and all that, but it does happen here in America.

Well that sucks

[Rockindeano]

Yup, the Canadians coming over from Windsor seem to think so. THEY don't have insurance here. Same with all the Canadians going to Cleveland for hip and knee replacements.

LOL, keep letting Fox feed you GOP scare tactics.

Dude, I work 48-56 hours a week and go to school 12 hours a week and take care of my 3 yr old while the wife is working. When the hell am I supposed to find time to watch Fox News????

You speak as if Canadians hate their system.

Then why is fixing their health care system always one of the main issues come election time?

Have you not seen news about thousands of Americans taking buses to Canada weekly to purchase affordable medication? That too is health care, and the notion that you all here think Canada's system sucks is hilarious.

That's because we do the Research and Development on the drugs Dean...we've been over this before. US patent laws don't apply to them.

Canada has the best H/C in the world, period. I would tell you to research your info, but then you all would scurry on over to Fox News for Hannity's latest TP's.

And they don't have a military that could fight off Grenada. They can't afford one.

Too many quotes to make a clear reply, but, have you ever been to Canada? Beautiful in every corner, nook and cranny. 2nd to none cities, gorgeous wilderness and oh yeah, wealthier per capita than the USA. Canada has a decent military, but why ramp it up when you have big brother south of the border?

Oh yeah, and please, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TELL ME HOW YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE??????? NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU, unless you get fired, move or happen along on a situation where the insurance company drops you!

Please show me where Obama and co. are going to take your H/C away.