JSS in W.E.T.

[Deb]

since jss was in journey it should be okay to bring him up once in a blue moon here.

Speaking of Journey, I can't wait to hear the whole song of "Comes Down Like Rain." I can tell from the little snippet in the Trailer...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVvPtCdAfV8 ......that I'm going to love that one. It's got that soulful/emotive 'Still They Ride' grandiose-vocal type vibe that I totally dig.

Yup, that one and If I Fall both sound really good.

btw, totally unrelated, but you might want to check a guy named Johnny Adams on youtube. Very obscure New Orleans soul singer. Something tells me you'd flip over the vocals.

Good call! Just had a listen to this one of his http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEMmiPtXwLw and yep.....love that soulful R&B style of vocal. A little old-schoolish for me though, I like a little more of a modern flare to it, but it did remind me a little of this type style...... loooooove this live performance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvONkB05g0w

It sounds old-schoolish because it is. That's running about the same time as Sam Cooke, or just slightly after. After All the Love Is Gone is slightly better with a little more updated sound, IMO. He was active into the late 90s.

As far as Eric Martin goes, very good singer, but he'll never be one of my favorites because he always sounds like he's got the start of laryngitis-which just perpetually bugs me. No doubting his talent though.

You call it laryngitis, I call it smokey vocals. I like my soulful vocals to have a little grit to them, to me they just sound more emotive/ballads or passionate/rockers. Probably why I much preferred Perry's later vocals to his earlier ones......have never been one for the crystal clear girly high vocals. I like my male vocalists to sound like male vocalists. Even in the 80s I was into bands like Tesla, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pYCz6hI-I or rockin' to bands like Nazareth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_809EZ6bIA

LOL, saying all that.........I probably had one of the girlyest vocalists as my wedding song back in the 80s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-mw1HGJjdA

[kgdjpubs]

since jss was in journey it should be okay to bring him up once in a blue moon here.

Speaking of Journey, I can't wait to hear the whole song of "Comes Down Like Rain." I can tell from the little snippet in the Trailer...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVvPtCdAfV8 ......that I'm going to love that one. It's got that soulful/emotive 'Still They Ride' grandiose-vocal type vibe that I totally dig.

Yup, that one and If I Fall both sound really good.

btw, totally unrelated, but you might want to check a guy named Johnny Adams on youtube. Very obscure New Orleans soul singer. Something tells me you'd flip over the vocals.

Good call! Just had a listen to this one of his http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEMmiPtXwLw and yep.....love that soulful R&B style of vocal. A little old-schoolish for me though, I like a little more of a modern flare to it, but it did remind me a little of this type style...... loooooove this live performance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvONkB05g0w

It sounds old-schoolish because it is. That's running about the same time as Sam Cooke, or just slightly after. After All the Love Is Gone is slightly better with a little more updated sound, IMO. He was active into the late 90s.

As far as Eric Martin goes, very good singer, but he'll never be one of my favorites because he always sounds like he's got the start of laryngitis-which just perpetually bugs me. No doubting his talent though.

You call it laryngitis, I call it smokey vocals. I like my soulful vocals to have a little grit to them, probably why I much preferred Perry's later vocals to his earlier ones......have never been one for the crystal clear girly high vocals. I like my male vocalists to sound like male vocalists. Even in the 80s I was into bands like Tesla, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pYCz6hI-I or rockin' to bands like Nazareth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_809EZ6bIA

I've always been under the belief that ROR was the best vocals Perry ever did for an album. His voice was in great shape, and just a bit down in pitch.
I've never cared one way or the other for range. Sam Cooke didn't have the greatest range, and could outsing anybody. It's all about vocal style. Some have it (Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, Perry, JSS, Marc Anthony, etc), some develop it (Bob Catley, Darren Wharton, Phil Collins), some will never get it.

There's just something about EM in particular that rubs me the wrong way. I SHOULD love his voice, but I don't for some reason. Go figure...

[Deb]

since jss was in journey it should be okay to bring him up once in a blue moon here.

Speaking of Journey, I can't wait to hear the whole song of "Comes Down Like Rain." I can tell from the little snippet in the Trailer...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVvPtCdAfV8 ......that I'm going to love that one. It's got that soulful/emotive 'Still They Ride' grandiose-vocal type vibe that I totally dig.

Yup, that one and If I Fall both sound really good.

btw, totally unrelated, but you might want to check a guy named Johnny Adams on youtube. Very obscure New Orleans soul singer. Something tells me you'd flip over the vocals.

Good call! Just had a listen to this one of his http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEMmiPtXwLw and yep.....love that soulful R&B style of vocal. A little old-schoolish for me though, I like a little more of a modern flare to it, but it did remind me a little of this type style...... loooooove this live performance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvONkB05g0w

It sounds old-schoolish because it is. That's running about the same time as Sam Cooke, or just slightly after. After All the Love Is Gone is slightly better with a little more updated sound, IMO. He was active into the late 90s.

As far as Eric Martin goes, very good singer, but he'll never be one of my favorites because he always sounds like he's got the start of laryngitis-which just perpetually bugs me. No doubting his talent though.

You call it laryngitis, I call it smokey vocals. I like my soulful vocals to have a little grit to them, probably why I much preferred Perry's later vocals to his earlier ones......have never been one for the crystal clear girly high vocals. I like my male vocalists to sound like male vocalists. Even in the 80s I was into bands like Tesla, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pYCz6hI-I or rockin' to bands like Nazareth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_809EZ6bIA

I've always been under the belief that ROR was the best vocals Perry ever did for an album. His voice was in great shape, and just a bit down in pitch.
I've never cared one way or the other for range. Sam Cooke didn't have the greatest range, and could outsing anybody. It's all about vocal style. Some have it (Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, Perry, JSS, Marc Anthony, etc), some develop it (Bob Catley, Darren Wharton, Phil Collins), some will never get it.

There's just something about EM in particular that rubs me the wrong way. I SHOULD love his voice, but I don't for some reason. Go figure...

That's ok.....he rubs me the right way.......vocally that is.

But I get what you mean, range means very little to me either................it's more in the vocal style/delivery. And totally agree on the ROR vocals.

[Michigan Girl]

That's ok.....he rubs me the right way.......

LMAO!!

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Here's what Uncle HeFTy (JSS' tour manager) had to say in another thread when I asked if there were any intentions for W.E.T. to tour:

If only you knew how difficult this would be to emulate live. The strain on anyone's vocal chords, let alone those of Jeff, would be phenomenal.

So what I gather from this is JSS wanted to stick it up Journey's asses and basically create a Journey-esque record with him on lead vocals, which he has called the album he never got to make with Journey. People around him realize that he could never produce vocals like that night after night in concert.

So why are people insistant that a JSS-fronted Journey would have worked? He used all of his "Journey voice" to create this record in the studio, knowing fully well he could never sing like that on a tour.

Bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

Well, clearly we all know he handled the material for his tour with Journey. And you missed my point just so you could prove with one song from one performance that JSS could sing with Journey. We all know he did a great job on the Def Leppard tour.

But my point is - if his own tour manager said he wouldn't be able to sing the W.E.T. material on tour, why does everyone think he could have held up singing Journey for 105 minutes each show for 50+ shows a year? In JSS' own words "quite simply, this is the Journey album that could have been had I continued with them!"

He wanted to stick it up Journey's asses, "prove" that he could have sounded great singing on an album of theirs (and the W.E.T. clips are phenomenal), but people around him obviously recognize he couldn't have held up trying to sing Journey for multiple tours. If they say he couldn't hold up singing W.E.T. live, then when Uncle HeFTy says "the strain on anyone's vocal chords, let alone those of Jeff, would be phenomenal," is reason enough why he couldn't have lasted with Journey vocally.

[YoungJRNY]

Here's what Uncle HeFTy (JSS' tour manager) had to say in another thread when I asked if there were any intentions for W.E.T. to tour:

If only you knew how difficult this would be to emulate live. The strain on anyone's vocal chords, let alone those of Jeff, would be phenomenal.

So what I gather from this is JSS wanted to stick it up Journey's asses and basically create a Journey-esque record with him on lead vocals, which he has called the album he never got to make with Journey. People around him realize that he could never produce vocals like that night after night in concert.

So why are people insistant that a JSS-fronted Journey would have worked? He used all of his "Journey voice" to create this record in the studio, knowing fully well he could never sing like that on a tour.

Bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

Well, clearly we all know he handled the material for his tour with Journey. And you missed my point just so you could prove with one song from one performance that JSS could sing with Journey. We all know he did a great job on the Def Leppard tour.

But my point is - if his own tour manager said he wouldn't be able to sing the W.E.T. material on tour, why does everyone think he could have held up singing Journey for 105 minutes each show for 50+ shows a year? In JSS' own words "quite simply, this is the Journey album that could have been had I continued with them!"

He wanted to stick it up Journey's asses, "prove" that he could have sounded great singing on an album of theirs (and the W.E.T. clips are phenomenal), but people around him obviously recognize he couldn't have held up trying to sing Journey for multiple tours. If they say he couldn't hold up singing W.E.T. live, then when Uncle HeFTy says "the strain on anyone's vocal chords, let alone those of Jeff, would be phenomenal," is reason enough why he couldn't have lasted with Journey vocally.

Point of the matter is, Journey's catalog, esp that live, is built around vocals that of a high tenor with soaring range. Even though Jeff did a great job stepping in, he ultimately would of hit a wall within 2-3 years and would have been out of the picture with a snap of a finger, givin' Journey's touring record.

I felt during the DL tour, Journey was limited with the amount of songs they could perform to fit Jeff's vocal style, and they did choose songs over others that Jeff could belt out, giving Deen more leeway on the ballads, since he handled those duties anyhow when Augeri was having issue's. Arnel handles the ballads more-so than Deen when Soto was in the lineup. I don't want to get too much into it, and with all due respect to JSS, Journey with Soto, touring like hell with the dirty dozen plus new material year in and year out would of burned Jeff's voice out faster than any other of Journey's lead singers.

[Deb]

Here's what Uncle HeFTy (JSS' tour manager) had to say in another thread when I asked if there were any intentions for W.E.T. to tour:

If only you knew how difficult this would be to emulate live. The strain on anyone's vocal chords, let alone those of Jeff, would be phenomenal.

So what I gather from this is JSS wanted to stick it up Journey's asses and basically create a Journey-esque record with him on lead vocals, which he has called the album he never got to make with Journey. People around him realize that he could never produce vocals like that night after night in concert.

So why are people insistant that a JSS-fronted Journey would have worked? He used all of his "Journey voice" to create this record in the studio, knowing fully well he could never sing like that on a tour.

Bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

Well, clearly we all know he handled the material for his tour with Journey. And you missed my point just so you could prove with one song from one performance that JSS could sing with Journey. We all know he did a great job on the Def Leppard tour.

But my point is - if his own tour manager said he wouldn't be able to sing the W.E.T. material on tour, why does everyone think he could have held up singing Journey for 105 minutes each show for 50+ shows a year? In JSS' own words "quite simply, this is the Journey album that could have been had I continued with them!"

He wanted to stick it up Journey's asses, "prove" that he could have sounded great singing on an album of theirs (and the W.E.T. clips are phenomenal), but people around him obviously recognize he couldn't have held up trying to sing Journey for multiple tours. If they say he couldn't hold up singing W.E.T. live, then when Uncle HeFTy says "the strain on anyone's vocal chords, let alone those of Jeff, would be phenomenal," is reason enough why he couldn't have lasted with Journey vocally.

Journey was so much more than just the early high range stuff. For fans like me who preferred Perry's later vocals (Frontiers forward.....) Jeff was a perfect fit. When it came to Journey's vocals, it was more about the soulful/passionate delivery and vocal tone than it ever was about range. And I don't care if you are a high tenor or not, trying to sing those real early glass shattering high vocals is going to chew up anybody's vocals period, in time......heck just look at their history. Anyways, it is what it is, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Arnel is fronting Journey now and I DO like his vocals, I just prefer Jeff's.

And I think Frank responded to your post downstairs.......

You put words into my mouth that I would never utter. Remember I've been with Jeff for over seven years and I know what touring can do to a person. This material is full on right across the album, more so than Journey. Jeff did a year with Journey and the schedule was punishing. For those who don't sing (and I don't) it is not easy to understand the need to nurture the vocal chords, even the very best in the business have trouble occasionally. Now, to your question about a JSS fronted Journey not working - what was the period between june 06 and 07 all about if it didn't work? Most bands have a regime of two on two off, sometimes its possible to do three on but it is stressful.

This album is a wonderful piece of work that will stand on its own and, I believe, will be taken up by many in the MR scene and hopefully the word will spread into the mainstream markets.

Uncle H

[Trace123321]

[quote="Behshad"]Trace1233212311231231331

first of welcome to MR. From your fifth post here , I get a feeling you've posted here before under another username.

YoungJRNY/Trav is one of the nicest guys around. So I suggest you cool it down and change your tone a bit. He may be a lot of things , but "worthless piece of shit" ain't one of them.[/quote]

Thank you for the suggestion, as I am not here to cause friction, however, from the tone of his post, I had every right to respond the way that I did. I am entitled to my opinion of his post, and would like to suggest that you mind you own business and do not engage in something that does not pertain to you.

[Trace123321]

[quote="YoungJRNY"][quote="Trace123321"][quote="YoungJRNY"][size=24]EUHH NOT THIS AGAIN!!!!!! This has been debated over... and over.. and overrrrrrrr we get it, "what could of been rah rah" shit! Journey is better off without JSS and vice versa! Stop bringing this shit up and just browse the countless number of pages that was made before this.[/size]

BTW: Welcome to MR [/quote]

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED![/quote]



I take it you are illiterate, so let me help you out with some things. This board here.. is the [b]Journey[/b] forum. If you would see at the top left of the page, which is labeled "Melodicrock.com Forum Index" you will see multiple words.. usually those words consists of band names, which is a separate forum like this one. (Example: Survivor, Styx, Def Leppard, etc) If you would click on those bands names, it will take you to a forum with people talking about THAT BAND. Pretty amazing, I know. Just in case you haven't noticed, there is a J.S.S forum. If you aren't familiar with this, or just was confused by the initials, "JSS" stands for Jeff Scott Soto, who sings that EXACT song you just posted, and is coincidentally the topic of your message.

I've worked with the mentally challenged before, and have tons of experience with The LITERACY VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA, INC (LVA). I suggest you get help while you can, and talk it over with your parents to see if this is the right program for you. All you have to do is visit this site ( http://207.10.202.151/NetCommunity/Page ... 1&srcid=-2), and contact the official F.A.Q agency. I suggest having someone read it to you, since obviously you can't comprehend anything that that site says, but don't worry, this will help you. If you want, you could suggest myself as your personal tutor, which would save the trouble of going through contracts, and start up fee's and things like that. I know highly qualified people in this agency, and we can hook you up with my lawyer to overstep the first couple weeks of this process. Overall, I charge 20$/hour, and willing to negotiate. Let me know when you could start, how's Saturday sound? GOOD LUCK!

-YoungJRNY [/quote]

If I had any reservation about what I posted about you before, it was all removed when you chose to post the above. If you want to trade insult for insult, I have not the desire or time to engage you.

[YoungJRNY]

EUHH NOT THIS AGAIN!!!!!! This has been debated over... and over.. and overrrrrrrr we get it, "what could of been rah rah" shit! Journey is better off without JSS and vice versa! Stop bringing this shit up and just browse the countless number of pages that was made before this.

BTW: Welcome to MR

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED!

I take it you are illiterate, so let me help you out with some things. This board here.. is the Journey forum. If you would see at the top left of the page, which is labeled "Melodicrock.com Forum Index" you will see multiple words.. usually those words consists of band names, which is a separate forum like this one. (Example: Survivor, Styx, Def Leppard, etc) If you would click on those bands names, it will take you to a forum with people talking about THAT BAND. Pretty amazing, I know. Just in case you haven't noticed, there is a J.S.S forum. If you aren't familiar with this, or just was confused by the initials, "JSS" stands for Jeff Scott Soto, who sings that EXACT song you just posted, and is coincidentally the topic of your message.

I've worked with the mentally challenged before, and have tons of experience with The LITERACY VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA, INC (LVA). I suggest you get help while you can, and talk it over with your parents to see if this is the right program for you. All you have to do is visit this site ( http://207.10.202.151/NetCommunity/Page ... 1&srcid=-2), and contact the official F.A.Q agency. I suggest having someone read it to you, since obviously you can't comprehend anything that that site says, but don't worry, this will help you. If you want, you could suggest myself as your personal tutor, which would save the trouble of going through contracts, and start up fee's and things like that. I know highly qualified people in this agency, and we can hook you up with my lawyer to overstep the first couple weeks of this process. Overall, I charge 20$/hour, and willing to negotiate. Let me know when you could start, how's Saturday sound? GOOD LUCK!

-YoungJRNY

If I had any reservation about what I posted about you before, it was all removed when you chose to post the above. If you want to trade insult for insult, I have not the desire or time to engage you.

I have not the desire or time to engage you.

That's what she said.

[Behshad]

Thank you for the suggestion, as I am not here to cause friction, however, from the tone of his post, I had every right to respond the way that I did. I am entitled to my opinion of his post, and would like to suggest that you mind you own business and do not engage in something that does not pertain to you.

You are entitled to your opinion, but it was your choice of words that I didnt agree with.
When it comes to insulting one of my friends here, without any good reasons, it is my business. I suggest you take your 7 posts and shove it , dickbag

[Deb]

Trace1233212311231231331

first of welcome to MR. From your fifth post here , I get a feeling you've posted here before under another username.

YoungJRNY/Trav is one of the nicest guys around. So I suggest you cool it down and change your tone a bit. He may be a lot of things , but "worthless piece of shit" ain't one of them.

Thank you for the suggestion, as I am not here to cause friction, however, from the tone of his post, I had every right to respond the way that I did. I am entitled to my opinion of his post, and would like to suggest that you mind you own business and do not engage in something that does not pertain to you.

Um, this is a 'public' music forum.....and B was entitled to his opinion of your post too.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Well, clearly we all know he handled the material for his tour with Journey. And you missed my point just so you could prove with one song from one performance that JSS could sing with Journey. We all know he did a great job on the Def Leppard tour.

But my point is - if his own tour manager said he wouldn't be able to sing the W.E.T. material on tour, why does everyone think he could have held up singing Journey for 105 minutes each show for 50+ shows a year? In JSS' own words "quite simply, this is the Journey album that could have been had I continued with them!"

He wanted to stick it up Journey's asses, "prove" that he could have sounded great singing on an album of theirs (and the W.E.T. clips are phenomenal), but people around him obviously recognize he couldn't have held up trying to sing Journey for multiple tours. If they say he couldn't hold up singing W.E.T. live, then when Uncle HeFTy says "the strain on anyone's vocal chords, let alone those of Jeff, would be phenomenal," is reason enough why he couldn't have lasted with Journey vocally.

Journey was so much more than just the early high range stuff. For fans like me who preferred Perry's later vocals (Frontiers forward.....) Jeff was a perfect fit. When it came to Journey's vocals, it was more about the soulful/passionate delivery and vocal tone than it ever was about range. And I don't care if you are a high tenor or not, trying to sing those real early glass shattering high vocals is going to chew up anybody's vocals period, in time......heck just look at their history. Anyways, it is what it is, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Arnel is fronting Journey now and I DO like his vocals, I just prefer Jeff's.

That's fine, I don't have a problem with that. This thought just came up when I read Frank's reasons why he thought W.E.T. would never tour. And that's too bad. I would love to see this material live. I wasn't trying to turn this into a pissing match. I just thought he raised an interesting point about the strain that the W.E.T. material put on Jeff's voice. I just connected the dots to any potential Journey material that might have happened previously.

And I think Frank responded to your post downstairs.......

And I responded back to him. I certainly wasn't putting words in anyone's mouth. I apologized if he was offended by anything I said anyway. If anything, I took words from Jeff's mouth about how the W.E.T. album is the Journey album he never made and tried to make a connection back to the mystery of what really went down in mid-2007. When it comes down to it, maybe the fact that he's not fronting Journey is better off for both parties. Jeff isn't limited in what he can produce (which benefits all of us), and Journey can continue on like they have been with Arnel.

[Deb]

When it comes down to it, maybe the fact that he's not fronting Journey is better off for both parties. Jeff isn't limited in what he can produce (which benefits all of us), and Journey can continue on like they have been with Arnel.

Agreed. But I still would love to have heard at least one cd out of them. I loved their collaberation on Believe In Me. And Coming Home from SoulSirkus had Journey written all over it.

[Behshad]

Trace1233212311231231331

first of welcome to MR. From your fifth post here , I get a feeling you've posted here before under another username.

YoungJRNY/Trav is one of the nicest guys around. So I suggest you cool it down and change your tone a bit. He may be a lot of things , but "worthless piece of shit" ain't one of them.

Thank you for the suggestion, as I am not here to cause friction, however, from the tone of his post, I had every right to respond the way that I did. I am entitled to my opinion of his post, and would like to suggest that you mind you own business and do not engage in something that does not pertain to you.

Um, this is a 'public' music forum.....and B was entitled to his opinion of your post too.

Watch it, you may not be entitled to your opinions about his opinion that concerned my opinion regarding his bullcrap

[fightingilliniJRNY]

When it comes down to it, maybe the fact that he's not fronting Journey is better off for both parties. Jeff isn't limited in what he can produce (which benefits all of us), and Journey can continue on like they have been with Arnel.

Agreed. But I still would love to have heard at least one cd out of them. I loved their collaberation on Believe In Me. And Coming Home from SoulSirkus had Journey written all over it.

Yep. I think we'll have to settle for the W.E.T. album and play the "what could have been..." game. So far it sounds like W.E.T.'s album is going to be a gem, though.

Although Cain, Neal and Jeff writing and playing on a Journey record could have been unbelievable.

[Melissa]

When it comes down to it, maybe the fact that he's not fronting Journey is better off for both parties. Jeff isn't limited in what he can produce (which benefits all of us), and Journey can continue on like they have been with Arnel.

Agreed. But I still would love to have heard at least one cd out of them. I loved their collaberation on Believe In Me. And Coming Home from SoulSirkus had Journey written all over it.

I would have loved that too. But like I said downstairs about this WET stuff, lol...

Love this: "They share the love for great Arena Rock Music, big melodic hooks, fiery guitars and of course the feel for magical melodies."

Can't wait, my kind of music... yes

[YoungJRNY]

When it comes down to it, maybe the fact that he's not fronting Journey is better off for both parties. Jeff isn't limited in what he can produce (which benefits all of us), and Journey can continue on like they have been with Arnel.

Agreed. But I still would love to have heard at least one cd out of them. I loved their collaberation on Believe In Me. And Coming Home from SoulSirkus had Journey written all over it.

I would have loved that too. But like I said downstairs about this WET stuff, lol...

Love this: "They share the love for great Arena Rock Music, big melodic hooks, fiery guitars and of course the feel for magical melodies."

Can't wait, my kind of music... yes

I dug the trailer for W.E.T and will be purchasing it because it's just the kind of music that I love which has a great melodic vibe to it. Sounds like good things are on the horizon for this album.

[Melissa]

I dug the trailer for W.E.T and will be purchasing it because it's just the kind of music that I love which has a great melodic vibe to it. Sounds like good things are on the horizon for this album.

Me too

[Deb]

When it comes down to it, maybe the fact that he's not fronting Journey is better off for both parties. Jeff isn't limited in what he can produce (which benefits all of us), and Journey can continue on like they have been with Arnel.

Agreed. But I still would love to have heard at least one cd out of them. I loved their collaberation on Believe In Me. And Coming Home from SoulSirkus had Journey written all over it.

Yep. I think we'll have to settle for the W.E.T. album and play the "what could have been..." game. So far it sounds like W.E.T.'s album is going to be a gem, though.

Although Cain, Neal and Jeff writing and playing on a Journey record could have been unbelievable.

What is super cool for this fan.........is I now know pretty much what all 3 of my all-time favorite vocalists sound like fronting Journey. Perry and Soto official members of course, and also Eric Martin on that song from MRCD5 and a couple others from the Teachers movie.....Martin's lead singing with Neal, Ross and Smitty as the band.

[YoungJRNY]

Thank you for the suggestion, as I am not here to cause friction, however, from the tone of his post, I had every right to respond the way that I did. I am entitled to my opinion of his post, and would like to suggest that you mind you own business and do not engage in something that does not pertain to you.

You are entitled to your opinion, but it was your choice of words that I didnt agree with.
When it comes to insulting one of my friends here, without any good reasons, it is my business. I suggest you take your 7 posts and shove it , dickbag

No worry, B. I took no offense or never will to likes of that over an internet tough guy who is cranky in need of a warm bottle. Nonetheless, she/he will realize sarcasm is 2nd nature to this place and won't last long if they don't realize that soon!

[Trace123321]

[quote="Andrew"][quote="Trace123321"]

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED![/quote]

Excuse me. You may wish to re-think your posting strategy.[/quote]

Bite me...how is that?

[Behshad]

Someone, ANYONE, please,,,,teach this fucker how to quote,,,,,,

NOT YOU STEVEW2, SIT THE FUCK DOWN!

[fightingilliniJRNY]

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED!

Excuse me. You may wish to re-think your posting strategy.

Bite me...how is that?

Hah, see ya later. Telling the guy who runs the site to "bite me." Don't let the door hit you on your way out. Too bad you didn't learn how to quote properly before you left.

[Michigan Girl]

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED!

Excuse me. You may wish to re-think your posting strategy.

Bite me...how is that?

Here you go....not nice though!!

[YoungJRNY]

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED!

Excuse me. You may wish to re-think your posting strategy.

Bite me...how is that?

Fun while it lasted, huh sugartits? Next: the walk of shame.

[StevePerryHair]

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED!

Excuse me. You may wish to re-think your posting strategy.

Bite me...how is that?

Fun while it lasted, huh sugartits? Next: the walk of shame.

[JasonD]

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED!

Excuse me. You may wish to re-think your posting strategy.

Bite me...how is that?

You did not just tell ANDREW to bite you!?!?!?

Do you not realize he OWNS this website, oh naive one?

All I have to say to you is "Good-bye."

[Andrew]

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED!

Excuse me. You may wish to re-think your posting strategy.

Bite me...how is that?

Perfect. See ya later asshole.

[Trace123321]

[quote="Andrew"][quote="Trace123321"][quote="Andrew"][quote="Trace123321"]

GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN DEBATED![/quote]

Excuse me. You may wish to re-think your posting strategy.[/quote]

Bite me...how is that?[/quote]

Perfect. See ya later asshole.[/quote]

Douche.