100% WET

[Deb]

One happy camper here, gotta love it, two of the hardest working vocalists, lots of great stuff on the way!

Mr. Big Live in Tokyo dvd/cd - October 16

W.E.T. cd/dvd - November 6
EM -Mr Vocalist X'mas cd - November 11
TSO w/JSS show here in the 'Dome - November 18

JSS: Live in Madrid dvd/cd - December 4

I'm worried for you. I think if Perry added something to your list, a vortex would form around you and we might never see you again.

LOL, probably a good thing he's not putting something out in the next few months.............the other 2 are keeping my music funds plenty busy enough. It's all good, me likes great ear candy!

[stevew2]

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

I am very persuaded by the argument that the re-records didn't spurn sales of Rev as some would believe, given the ubiquitous and numerous Journey GH packages out there. The only added value the re-records added to the avg consumer was maybe a general sense that they were getting a lot for a little - i.e. 3 discs.

As for Revelation being better than Arrival, well we will just have to disagree in a big way there. I don't listen to Rev at all any more, save two songs. Nearly 9 years later I still play the fuck out of Arrival.

I agree re the point about the re-records not being a big factor in helping to sell. But they loved that the DVD was on there.

RE whether Arrival or Revelations is better. Arrival is a better album than TBF overall for reasons I've stated b/f, more sophisticated rock album versus almost completely pop album for a lot of TBF. The problem is Augeri's vocals on some songs, while not bad, aren't that great, but yet still a soulful delivery on all. Somebody said he had been sick. Maybe the reason. Where Revelation would have been better if it had a more polished delivery on some songs, Arnel's vocals in tone and range and the classic sound was the standout for me on this CD. I would have to say because of the actual melodies and lyrics and for the actual sophistication of an older rock band releasing music in this decade but still retaining a band sound even on ballads I choose Arrival.

Yes, Arrival stands out because of its diversity in sound (e.g., it's not an attempted rehash at the 80s as Rev is, albeit a spirited attempt) - and because for me I find the songs stronger overall. As I said, I listen just a few choice Rev tracks at all anymore, and it's only been a year and a half.

Edit: Put SP on Rev and keep SA on Arrival and I still think Arrival kills it. Too many weak or rehashed tunes on Rev for me.

I agree Arrival was there last viable Cd. they really tried to do something, rev, was some Steve a started and Neal showed up at the end after Soul Sirrkas, Rev has three good songs, the rest are Friga left overs

[Andrew]

I am totally shocked. I did not see that coming at all.

Ditto with your witty retort.

[Andrew]

My only comment, which I'm sure won't win me many friends, is that I don't think Andrew doesn't do himself any favors by including personal attacks in reviews. It's not the first time (see Def Leppard mainly), and probably won't be the last.

LOl.. C'mon, there isn't anything to take from that comment. Merely pointing out what the guys did with that song. Was I not factual?

And while I am here - what did I ever do to Def Leppard?

[Andrew]

As far as it being journey sounding? I hear more eclipse and work of art influences rather than journey(which is good,without them the cd i expect ,would have gone in a different direction)

Of course....it is mainly Eclipse and WOA influenced, but there's at least 3 tunes that would fit a JSS lead Journey.

[Andrew]

At any rate, can't wait to hear this album, although I doubt it's gonna be a 100% to my ears That's reserved for maybe 10 albums ever.

It's not 100%, and not even close. It is good though, and better than a lot of what is released these days. You have to understand Andrew's ratings, and how they apply to your listening tastes. Personally, anything under about 90% isn't all that good to my ears as a general rule, barring a few instances where I might like something he doesn't care for or visa versa. If you read and listen to enough of what he reviews, you can figure out about where you would stand on a release between the rating mark and the description itself. The scores are WAY too high across the board (and he's admitted this), but they are generally consistent--and that's the major point.

As far as rating albums go, I'm not even sure I've ever heard a 95% album, let alone a 100% one.

Thank you And you are right... As far as 95-100% albums - I have a TON! You tend to get that over 25 years of collecting....I never got some folk saying that no album could ever be perfect. Sometimes I think that reflects someone looking too hard for perfection.

Thoughts?

[Andrew]

Getting back to the point, I understand WHY the scores have to be somewhat inflated to avoid infuriating the labels/artists, but I don't think there is anywhere near enough room for an "album of the year" versus a "classic of the decades". I think we can all agree on the general opinion though, even though the actual number rating may differ wildly.

That's got nothing to do with it. Nothing whatsoever. Although the labels do get shitty at me from time to time...haha

It's purely because when i started the site, I started rating things at a level that (in hindsight) was too high and over the years as records have improved and albums got better - I simply find myself reaching a higher average overall.

How to tackle this into the future is something I have given a lot of thought to - with no clear answer just yet.

The labels only complain if they think I'm being unfair to them personally (I'm not). If I had started with lower ratings overall, then a label or artist would then be happy reaching a higher grade generally. Not necessarily something over what i am doing now.

[RedWingFan]

And while I am here - what did I ever do to Def Leppard?

Somehow I recall the phrase, "...boring as bat shit!"

I thought "Yeah!" had some real high points. "Hell Raiser" and "Golden Age of Rock 'n Roll" to name two.

[texafana]

"and a few like melodicrock.com which try to stay on the professional side of things..."

You can't be serious.

[StevePerryHair]

"and a few like melodicrock.com which try to stay on the professional side of things..."

You can't be serious.

Are you trying to say Andrew isn't professional? I'm sure this statement refers to him since his site is much more than a message board.

[StevePerryHair]

And while I am here - what did I ever do to Def Leppard?

Somehow I recall the phrase, "...boring as bat shit!"

I thought "Yeah!" had some real high points. "Hell Raiser" and "Golden Age of Rock 'n Roll" to name two.

I guess I'm weird because I actually enjoyed several songs on Yeah too And they suited Joe's failing voice. I think Hell Raiser was my favorite on the album, though I do like Golden Age too. I really liked a version of "stay with me" that Phil did as a bonus track too. When you look at the fact it's a covers album, I really think it was done well. There really aren't too many good covers albums out there.

[Andrew]

And while I am here - what did I ever do to Def Leppard?

Somehow I recall the phrase, "...boring as bat shit!"

That's stating a fact, not getting nasty

[Andrew]

"and a few like melodicrock.com which try to stay on the professional side of things..."

You can't be serious.

Please explain.

[Ehwmatt]

"and a few like melodicrock.com which try to stay on the professional side of things..."

You can't be serious.

Please explain.

Texafaga is just being Texafaga, there's your explanation. This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Texafaga if you got shit to say, say it. Don't beat around the fuckin bush.

[Glenn]

I especially liked this part:

"This song is a huge middle finger to Journey – as if to state – 'hey, you wanted the heritage sound, here it is…' "

And I'm sure they care.

I'm sure they don't, being that these are the same guys who don't realize that their own last album was a huge middle finger to Journey.

If you feel that way about them and their shows, then why do you keep going to their shows...as well as going backstage to meet them?

I don't. I feel that way about that ridiculous piece of unnecessary crap called Revelation Disc 2.
Why I go to the shows has nothing to do with how I feel about some of them as people or their goofy marketing choices.
I go because I like the MUSIC and the live experience, not that I owe you an explanation.

Blame Walmart, that was not Journey's call. It was part of the package deal. If you're going to criticize Journey, then criticize Kiss, Foreigner, and many others who have done it through the years as well.

Oh yes, that's right. Walmart held them captive in a dungeon and threatened to boil their family jewels and eat their children's souls if they didn't sign the deal... I keep forgetting that part. Clearly, they had no choice. And you're assuming I haven't criticized other bands that have done it.

I've grown tired of debating with you. Be gone now. *shoo shoo*

That was the deal. There is really no debating it. IF you bought Revelation, then you simply don't have to listen to disc 2....It's not like you paid extra $$$ for it.

The Wal mart deal is better than any record deal out there these days.....At least for classic rock bands....

[Glenn]

And while I am here - what did I ever do to Def Leppard?

Somehow I recall the phrase, "...boring as bat shit!"

I thought "Yeah!" had some real high points. "Hell Raiser" and "Golden Age of Rock 'n Roll" to name two.

I guess I'm weird because I actually enjoyed several songs on Yeah too And they suited Joe's failing voice. I think Hell Raiser was my favorite on the album, though I do like Golden Age too. I really liked a version of "stay with me" that Phil did as a bonus track too. When you look at the fact it's a covers album, I really think it was done well. There really aren't too many good covers albums out there.

You're not that weird.... "Yeah" may have been the best thing Def Leppard has put out since Retro Active.

I despise cover albums but this one, for some reason, I enjoy the hell out of it.

[Andrew]

This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Well, Tex better think this next post through carefully. Very interested to see this explination.

[Behshad]

This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Well, Tex better think this next post through carefully. Very interested to see this explination.

Andrew , you hang out way too much around Stevew2

[S2M]

This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Well, Tex better think this next post through carefully. Very interested to see this explination.

Andrew , You hang around SteveW2 way too much

There, I fixed it for ya......you need the grammar police.

[Behshad]

This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Well, Tex better think this next post through carefully. Very interested to see this explination.

Andrew , You hang around SteveW2 way too much

There, I fixed it for ya......you need the grammar police.

Not needed pal,,,, We all hang out way too much around stevew2{if u know what I mean}
but thanks anyways, youre as smooth as a bear vagina

[texafana]

This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Well, Tex better think this next post through carefully. Very interested to see this explination.

wait...now I'm confused. Is this forum area which changes name daily now, the "off topic" section supposed to be filled with facts and professionalism? If it is then I guess I'm way off base, but 99% of the time you have to take anything said on this forum with a grain of salt...right?

[bluejeangirl76]

but thanks anyways, youre as smooth as a bear vagina

Nice, B. You're gonna work in that bear vagina where ever you can, aren't you?

You are free to apply any meaning you choose, by the way.

[texafana]

Texafaga is just being Texafaga, there's your explanation. This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Texafaga if you got shit to say, say it. Don't beat around the fuckin bush.

Ewwwwmatt, sorry...who are you?

[StevePerryHair]

This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Well, Tex better think this next post through carefully. Very interested to see this explination.

wait...now I'm confused. Is this forum area which changes name daily now, the "off topic" section supposed to be filled with facts and professionalism? If it is then I guess I'm way off base, but 99% of the time you have to take anything said on this forum with a grain of salt...right?

I will say again, MR.com is NOT this meassage board. It is the other page. A professional place where Andrew the professional posts facts, information and reviews. How do you not see the differece?

[stevew2]

This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Well, Tex better think this next post through carefully. Very interested to see this explination.

Andrew , you hang out way too much around Stevew2

he keeps it up, i might give him vacation

[bluejeangirl76]

This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Well, Tex better think this next post through carefully. Very interested to see this explination.

wait...now I'm confused. Is this forum area which changes name daily now, the "off topic" section supposed to be filled with facts and professionalism? If it is then I guess I'm way off base, but 99% of the time you have to take anything said on this forum with a grain of salt...right?

I will say again, MR.com is NOT this meassage board. It is the other page. A professional place where Andrew the professional posts facts, information and reviews. How do you not see the differece?

Do you seriously need to ask that? Look who you're talking to.

[StevePerryHair]

This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Well, Tex better think this next post through carefully. Very interested to see this explination.

wait...now I'm confused. Is this forum area which changes name daily now, the "off topic" section supposed to be filled with facts and professionalism? If it is then I guess I'm way off base, but 99% of the time you have to take anything said on this forum with a grain of salt...right?

I will say again, MR.com is NOT this meassage board. It is the other page. A professional place where Andrew the professional posts facts, information and reviews. How do you not see the differece?

Do you seriously need to ask that? Look who you're talking to.

(and I just noticed I'm spelling like Andrew now )

[Ehwmatt]

Texafaga is just being Texafaga, there's your explanation. This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Texafaga if you got shit to say, say it. Don't beat around the fuckin bush.

Ewwwwmatt, sorry...who are you?

What is that, some kinda insult?

You're fuckin sad.

[Indyjoe]

CONGRATS to W.E.T.!!

Jeff Scott Soto Rocks!!

[Behshad]

Texafaga is just being Texafaga, there's your explanation. This guy doesn't post anything that's not at least passive aggressive and overall totally useless.

Texafaga if you got shit to say, say it. Don't beat around the fuckin bush.

Ewwwwmatt, sorry...who are you?

What is that, some kinda insult?

You're fuckin sad.

Thats the best he could do... what do you expect .....