Question to Jeremy that he doesn't have to answer...

[Chubby321]

The Pinoy entertainment industry didn't care about him before Journey came along and probably won't care about him after he leaves Journey

I agree with you on this. It's always been my concern.

Also, except for the plokkers, some Filipinos are fans of his for now just because he is with an American band. If the band drops him for any reason, I have a gut feeling that those same people will abandon him as fast.

Now, if Arnel will say no to an invitation to sing, he will be viewed negatively by his fellowmen and the the media over there will not be forgiving. He might even be branded as an elitist.

So AP is in a difficult position right now. The only thing that can prevent him from performing is a Journey contract forbidding him to sing without the band.

Btw, I firmly believe that there's a future for him in the US after Journey. Maybe not as huge, but easy 2K-3K audience in California, Chicago, Guam, Hawaii, Texas, Vegas, etc.

[Ehwmatt]

I think Arnel is failing to realise that he made a deal with the devil when he joined Journey. He's made enough money to live on for a long time but he is clinging to this belief that he'll be able to pick back up his Philippine career when his Journey gig is over and everything will be better than it was originally. As AP is getting older, his voice has the added problem of singing Journey's catalog. When Frig and Fro are done with him, there will be plenty of Pinoy youngbloods who will be able to sing him under the table when it comes to Survivor tunes and other ballad type songs that he used to cover. The Pinoy entertainment industry didn't care about him before Journey came along and probably won't care about him after he leaves Journey, especially if he can no longer singer sing with that nice clean tenor voice that many Filipino singers seem to prefer. I just think that if these gigs are supposed to be helping him gain a fanbase at home, he's swimming upstream big time. Journey is his dream gig. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. You're just going to end up burning your candle out even faster by doing this.

I mean regardless of Friga and Fro's intentions and plans for longevity or lack of it, I hope he's got someone good helping him manage his earnings. I'm sure he's making a nice penny off of these tours, which should be pretty good as long as he doesn't totally blow it.

There is absolutely no post-Journey market for him in the States, book it.

Well, actually, when he did those little concerts in the U.S. for charity shows he was the main draw over the other headliner, and it was about 2,000 at each concert.

Once he is no longer the lead singer of Journey, there will be no drawing power.

[Onestepper]

I think Arnel is failing to realise that he made a deal with the devil when he joined Journey. He's made enough money to live on for a long time but he is clinging to this belief that he'll be able to pick back up his Philippine career when his Journey gig is over and everything will be better than it was originally. As AP is getting older, his voice has the added problem of singing Journey's catalog. When Frig and Fro are done with him, there will be plenty of Pinoy youngbloods who will be able to sing him under the table when it comes to Survivor tunes and other ballad type songs that he used to cover. The Pinoy entertainment industry didn't care about him before Journey came along and probably won't care about him after he leaves Journey, especially if he can no longer singer sing with that nice clean tenor voice that many Filipino singers seem to prefer. I just think that if these gigs are supposed to be helping him gain a fanbase at home, he's swimming upstream big time. Journey is his dream gig. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. You're just going to end up burning your candle out even faster by doing this.

I mean regardless of Friga and Fro's intentions and plans for longevity or lack of it, I hope he's got someone good helping him manage his earnings. I'm sure he's making a nice penny off of these tours, which should be pretty good as long as he doesn't totally blow it.

There is absolutely no post-Journey market for him in the States, book it.

Well, actually, when he did those little concerts in the U.S. for charity shows he was the main draw over the other headliner, and it was about 2,000 at each concert.

Once he is no longer the lead singer of Journey, there will be no drawing power.

Yeah, unless the guy gets some writing credits on the next album, what exactly would he be singing that would draw 'fans'? Sammy Hagar?? Come on people. Finish the rest of your hour old coffee, wipe off that mouth of yours and focus. It's not even noon yet.

[Jana]

I think Arnel is failing to realise that he made a deal with the devil when he joined Journey. He's made enough money to live on for a long time but he is clinging to this belief that he'll be able to pick back up his Philippine career when his Journey gig is over and everything will be better than it was originally. As AP is getting older, his voice has the added problem of singing Journey's catalog. When Frig and Fro are done with him, there will be plenty of Pinoy youngbloods who will be able to sing him under the table when it comes to Survivor tunes and other ballad type songs that he used to cover. The Pinoy entertainment industry didn't care about him before Journey came along and probably won't care about him after he leaves Journey, especially if he can no longer singer sing with that nice clean tenor voice that many Filipino singers seem to prefer. I just think that if these gigs are supposed to be helping him gain a fanbase at home, he's swimming upstream big time. Journey is his dream gig. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. You're just going to end up burning your candle out even faster by doing this.

I mean regardless of Friga and Fro's intentions and plans for longevity or lack of it, I hope he's got someone good helping him manage his earnings. I'm sure he's making a nice penny off of these tours, which should be pretty good as long as he doesn't totally blow it.

There is absolutely no post-Journey market for him in the States, book it.

Well, actually, when he did those little concerts in the U.S. for charity shows he was the main draw over the other headliner, and it was about 2,000 at each concert.

Once he is no longer the lead singer of Journey, there will be no drawing power.

Yeah, unless the guy gets some writing credits on the next album, what exactly would he be singing that would draw 'fans'? Sammy Hagar?? Come on people. Finish the rest of your hour old coffee, wipe off that mouth of yours and focus. It's not even noon yet.

I have ADD. Oh, sorry, wrong thread.

[Don]

The Pinoy entertainment industry didn't care about him before Journey came along and probably won't care about him after he leaves Journey

I agree with you on this. It's always been my concern.

Also, except for the plokkers, some Filipinos are fans of his for now just because he is with an American band. If the band drops him for any reason, I have a gut feeling that those same people will abandon him as fast.

Now, if Arnel will say no to an invitation to sing, he will be viewed negatively by his fellowmen and the the media over there will not be forgiving. He might even be branded as an elitist.

So AP is in a difficult position right now. The only thing that can prevent him from performing is a Journey contract forbidding him to sing without the band.

Btw, I firmly believe that there's a future for him in the US after Journey. Maybe not as huge, but easy 2K-3K audience in California, Chicago, Guam, Hawaii, Texas, Vegas, etc.

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry), He should really be good to go regardless of what happens. He just needs to Pay his taxes so he doesn't run foul of the IRS, especially if he plans to do shows here in the States. I think the money isn't an issue anymore, it's personal pride, trying to get respect as an individual artist in his home company.

[Red13JoePa]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

[Don]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

[Jana]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

[Red13JoePa]

Neal is a cash register because of incredible writing and playing talent not to mention his shrewd investment in Nocturne. The very thing that is fodder for so many lowlife Neal bashers, his multiple divorces is but further proof that the man has coin dripping out of his ears.

[Don]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

[Jana]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Probably more like trying to fund his ex (soft porn queen) wife's career aspirations. He's probably now loaded since he got rid of her.

[Ehwmatt]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

[stevew2]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

do tell jason needs to know

[Onestepper]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

I thought I remember hearing something about it after they stopped touring after ROR. Thought it was referenced in BTM feature, and I think Herbie said that some were living the lifestyle of a rock star, and the money just stopped. With all of his writing credits, it was rather surprising.

[Don]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

I thought I remember hearing something about it after they stopped touring after ROR. Thought it was referenced in BTM feature, and I think Herbie said that some were living the lifestyle of a rock star, and the money just stopped. With all of his writing credits, it was rather surprising.

Herbie said the financial problems initially started for Ross and Jon when they didn't tour in 84 and 85. The divorce with Tani just added to the problems for Cain and he barely escaped Bankruptcy, unlike Ross. Despite Journey continuously touring between 78-83, some of the members were burning through the cash like it was never going to end.

[RocknRoll]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

I thought I remember hearing something about it after they stopped touring after ROR. Thought it was referenced in BTM feature, and I think Herbie said that some were living the lifestyle of a rock star, and the money just stopped. With all of his writing credits, it was rather surprising.

Herbie said the financial problems initially started for Ross and Jon when they didn't tour in 84 and 85. The divorce with Tani just added to the problems for Cain and he barely escaped Bankruptcy, unlike Ross.

Was't it something about investing in the upcoming tour that didn't materialize?

[steveo777]

Hey, let's keep this up. I want to see all the Journey member's private finances scrutinized. Us fans need to know what they do with the proceeds from our concert tickets!!!

[Don]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

I thought I remember hearing something about it after they stopped touring after ROR. Thought it was referenced in BTM feature, and I think Herbie said that some were living the lifestyle of a rock star, and the money just stopped. With all of his writing credits, it was rather surprising.

Herbie said the financial problems initially started for Ross and Jon when they didn't tour in 84 and 85. The divorce with Tani just added to the problems for Cain and he barely escaped Bankruptcy, unlike Ross.

Was't it something about investing in the upcoming tour that didn't materialize?

I think that was referring to the TBF fiasco. The band was given 4 million up front as was customary in those days. When they didn't tour, one million had to be returned. I think Ross was the only one who was affected by that personally.

[Jana]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

I thought I remember hearing something about it after they stopped touring after ROR. Thought it was referenced in BTM feature, and I think Herbie said that some were living the lifestyle of a rock star, and the money just stopped. With all of his writing credits, it was rather surprising.

Herbie said the financial problems initially started for Ross and Jon when they didn't tour in 84 and 85. The divorce with Tani just added to the problems for Cain and he barely escaped Bankruptcy, unlike Ross.

Was't it something about investing in the upcoming tour that didn't materialize?

I think that was referring to the TBF fiasco. The band was given 4 million up front as was customary in those days. When they didn't tour, one million had to be returned. I think Ross was the only one who was affected by that personally.

No wonder Perry didn't look so good in that TBF photo referred to in the Loon forum. He was sick with guilt knowing what he was going to do to his unsuspecting bandmates. j/k

[Don]

Hey, let's keep this up. I want to see all the Journey member's private finances scrutinized. Us fans need to know what they do with the proceeds from our concert tickets!!!

They're public figures. Some fans like to talk about how they're living the high life so we're just baring both sides.

From what Herbie has said, Irving is really the one living the dream. He gets over half of the money generated. Herbie has said if he had stayed in the business, Azoff is the guy he would have become but he didn't want to keep working for Perry, which he says the band has been basically doing for the last 10 years.

[Don]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

I thought I remember hearing something about it after they stopped touring after ROR. Thought it was referenced in BTM feature, and I think Herbie said that some were living the lifestyle of a rock star, and the money just stopped. With all of his writing credits, it was rather surprising.

Herbie said the financial problems initially started for Ross and Jon when they didn't tour in 84 and 85. The divorce with Tani just added to the problems for Cain and he barely escaped Bankruptcy, unlike Ross.

Was't it something about investing in the upcoming tour that didn't materialize?

I think that was referring to the TBF fiasco. The band was given 4 million up front as was customary in those days. When they didn't tour, one million had to be returned. I think Ross was the only one who was affected by that personally.

No wonder Perry didn't look so good in that TBF photo referred to in the Loon forum. He was sick with guilt knowing what he was going to do to his unsuspecting bandmates. j/k

While Perry is at fault for a lot of it, these guys are culpable too. When you start forecasting your financial future, you're bound to run into trouble. I don't think Herbie feels sorry for any of them. He warned them Perry didn't need the money and was going to leave them high and dry. Those visions of dollar signs must have been too much for them though as they dropped Rolie and Chalfant like a hot potato when they got the call.

[Ehwmatt]

Hey, let's keep this up. I want to see all the Journey member's private finances scrutinized. Us fans need to know what they do with the proceeds from our concert tickets!!!

Oh shut ur fuckin piehole, they're public figures who stole money from us for an entire tour. They have no right to privacy in their finances as far as I'm concerned.

[Jana]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

I thought I remember hearing something about it after they stopped touring after ROR. Thought it was referenced in BTM feature, and I think Herbie said that some were living the lifestyle of a rock star, and the money just stopped. With all of his writing credits, it was rather surprising.

Herbie said the financial problems initially started for Ross and Jon when they didn't tour in 84 and 85. The divorce with Tani just added to the problems for Cain and he barely escaped Bankruptcy, unlike Ross.

Was't it something about investing in the upcoming tour that didn't materialize?

I think that was referring to the TBF fiasco. The band was given 4 million up front as was customary in those days. When they didn't tour, one million had to be returned. I think Ross was the only one who was affected by that personally.

No wonder Perry didn't look so good in that TBF photo referred to in the Loon forum. He was sick with guilt knowing what he was going to do to his unsuspecting bandmates. j/k

While Perry is at fault for a lot of it, these guys are culpable too. When you start forecasting your financial future, you're bound to run into trouble. I don't think Herbie feels sorry for any of them. He warned them Perry didn't need the money and was going to leave them high and dry. Those visions of dollar signs must have been too much for them though as they dropped Rolie and Chalfant like a hot potato when they got the call.

They were just naive. He was their brother, you know, according to splashy. How were they to know he would bail on the tour and drag it out until there was no hope?

[Michigan Girl]

Hey, let's keep this up. I want to see all the Journey member's private finances scrutinized. Us fans need to know what they do with the proceeds from our concert tickets!!!

Oh shut ur fuckin piehole, they're public figures. who stole money from us for an entire tour. They have no right to privacy in their finances as far as I'm concerned.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA!!!

[Don]

As long as Arnel doesn't take financial advice from The band members (unless it's coming from Perry),

perry's not a band member and Neal is basically printing money so the insuation is ludicrous.

Once a member, always a member.

I think Schon has made tons of money and great financial investments like that thing with Herbie. Neal says he could retire if he wanted to. His only problem was his personal life, divorces.

I know, I was just being a dick as usual. I can't quite figure out how Cain ended up with financial difficulties a while back. Maybe all those self financed solo albums?

Cain's financial difficulties? WHen was that? Enlighten me. Never heard of that

I thought I remember hearing something about it after they stopped touring after ROR. Thought it was referenced in BTM feature, and I think Herbie said that some were living the lifestyle of a rock star, and the money just stopped. With all of his writing credits, it was rather surprising.

Herbie said the financial problems initially started for Ross and Jon when they didn't tour in 84 and 85. The divorce with Tani just added to the problems for Cain and he barely escaped Bankruptcy, unlike Ross.

Was't it something about investing in the upcoming tour that didn't materialize?

I think that was referring to the TBF fiasco. The band was given 4 million up front as was customary in those days. When they didn't tour, one million had to be returned. I think Ross was the only one who was affected by that personally.

No wonder Perry didn't look so good in that TBF photo referred to in the Loon forum. He was sick with guilt knowing what he was going to do to his unsuspecting bandmates. j/k

While Perry is at fault for a lot of it, these guys are culpable too. When you start forecasting your financial future, you're bound to run into trouble. I don't think Herbie feels sorry for any of them. He warned them Perry didn't need the money and was going to leave them high and dry. Those visions of dollar signs must have been too much for them though as they dropped Rolie and Chalfant like a hot potato when they got the call.

They were just naive. He was their brother, you know, according to splashy. How were they to know he would bail on the tour and drag it out until there was no hope?

But why were any of them living paycheck to paycheck at that point? Did none of them ever think to a financial management course after there first brush with trouble in the mid 80s?

[steveo777]

Hey, let's keep this up. I want to see all the Journey member's private finances scrutinized. Us fans need to know what they do with the proceeds from our concert tickets!!!

Oh shut ur fuckin piehole, they're public figures. who stole money from us for an entire tour. They have no right to privacy in their finances as far as I'm concerned.

Hey Matt, is your sarcasm meter broken today? Didn't the devil smilies mean anything to you?

[Don]

These guys should call up Daryl Hall. That's a dude who knows what he is doing when it comes to making money outside the entertainment industry.

[Ehwmatt]

Hey, let's keep this up. I want to see all the Journey member's private finances scrutinized. Us fans need to know what they do with the proceeds from our concert tickets!!!

Oh shut ur fuckin piehole, they're public figures. who stole money from us for an entire tour. They have no right to privacy in their finances as far as I'm concerned.

Hey Matt, is your sarcasm meter broken today? Didn't the devil smilies mean anything to you?

Yeah play that card again

[Red13JoePa]

Neal could stand on his W2s and dunk over Manute Bol. More than likely made the most out of any of them.

[Don]

Neal could stand on his W2s and dunk over Manute Bol. More than likely made the most out of any of them.

And credit to Neal, and really all of them, you've never heard any deadbeat dad stories about the band.