Last House on the Left... fucking sick

[Ehwmatt]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society. It's far more complicated than that. They may influence people already fucked up to do something a certain way, but they in no way should be blamed any more than heavy metal music or even hard rock music should be blamed.

[Rick]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society. It's far more complicated than that. They may influence people already fucked up to do something a certain way, but they in no way should be blamed any more than heavy metal music or even hard rock music should be blamed.

The ONLY problem with today's society is parenting.

[Ehwmatt]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society. It's far more complicated than that. They may influence people already fucked up to do something a certain way, but they in no way should be blamed any more than heavy metal music or even hard rock music should be blamed.

The ONLY problem with today's society is parenting.

I don't know if I'd say only problem, but that's where much of it starts. It's also the last line of defense

[Rip Rokken]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society. It's far more complicated than that. They may influence people already fucked up to do something a certain way, but they in no way should be blamed any more than heavy metal music or even hard rock music should be blamed.

Of course they are not the root cause -- that starts at home, but I don't see how anyone can deny that movies or video games with very stylized action don't influence how these kids perceive violence. If they didn't, none of the little jerks who break down and pull a "Columbine" would go John Woo with a pistol in each hand. They have to get that idea from somewhere.

[Ehwmatt]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society. It's far more complicated than that. They may influence people already fucked up to do something a certain way, but they in no way should be blamed any more than heavy metal music or even hard rock music should be blamed.

Of course they are not the root cause -- that starts at home, but I don't see how anyone can deny that movies or video games with very stylized action don't influence how these kids perceive violence. If they didn't, none of the little jerks who break down and pull a "Columbine" would go John Woo with a pistol in each hand. They have to get that idea from somewhere.

I'm not denying they influence people to carry out some kind of evil in a certain way. But they in no way should be blamed for the evil itself.

#1 Evil's been there as long as man
#2 They're gonna find a way to do something evil regardless if they have enough hate and/or enough sociopathy in them

[Rick]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society. It's far more complicated than that. They may influence people already fucked up to do something a certain way, but they in no way should be blamed any more than heavy metal music or even hard rock music should be blamed.

The ONLY problem with today's society is parenting.

I don't know if I'd say only problem, but that's where much of it starts. It's also the last line of defense

You're right. If parents have the means, they can have full control. But that requires having the means to home school and such. I'm a fairly off the cuff dad, where I'm reactive instead of proactive. Which means I suck. But luckily I have a daughter with a damn good sense of responsibility. I couldn't ask for a better kid.

[Ehwmatt]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society. It's far more complicated than that. They may influence people already fucked up to do something a certain way, but they in no way should be blamed any more than heavy metal music or even hard rock music should be blamed.

The ONLY problem with today's society is parenting.

I don't know if I'd say only problem, but that's where much of it starts. It's also the last line of defense

You're right. If parents have the means, they can have full control. But that requires having the means to home school and such. I'm a fairly odf the cuff dad, where I'm reactive instead of proactive. Which means I suck. But luckily I have a daughter with a damn good sense of responsibility. I couldn't ask for a better kid.

You're probably doing a lot more proactive shit than you realize, even if it's subconscious. My parents never really were all gung ho strict with me. I never got in trouble. That's not to say I never did anything dumb, but they instilled enough sense in me to be dumb responsibly

[larryfromnextdoor]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society.

it doest help...

but they in no way should be blamed any more than hard rock music should be blamed.

who are you listening to? venom?

[Ehwmatt]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society.

it doest help...

but they in no way should be blamed any more than hard rock music should be blamed.

who are you listening to? venom?

So what's the solution? Ban everything? I'm quite conservative as most here should know by now, but there are some libertarian values coursing strongly through my veins.

I think Hollywood people that are filming and putting this shit out there are disgusting and are really quite pathetic for not being able to be more artful about certain things (often, a great artist shows you/tells you things subtly), because they are just trying to generate controversy and get people to watch it. But, I'd fight to the death for their ability to do it as well. I personally think there are some things that shouldn't be shown/allowed, but every one has his own line to draw and that just isn't good enough for what we're supposed to stand for. So I have to live with some garbage like this.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/gen ... urder.html

^^^ This is a shitty kind of thing.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society.

it doest help...

but they in no way should be blamed any more than hard rock music should be blamed.

who are you listening to? venom?

So what's the solution? Ban everything? I'm quite conservative as most here should know by now, but there are some libertarian values coursing strongly through my veins.

I think Hollywood people that are filming and putting this shit out there are disgusting and are really quite pathetic for not being able to be more artful about certain things (often, a great artist shows you/tells you things subtly), because they are just trying to generate controversy and get people to watch it. But, I'd fight to the death for their ability to do it as well. I personally think there are some things that shouldn't be shown/allowed, but every one has his own line to draw and that just isn't good enough for what we're supposed to stand for. So I have to live with some garbage like this.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/gen ... urder.html

^^^ This is a shitty kind of thing.

dude.. you got much deeper than i am realo quick .. i got a couple of guys checking over this to help me answer..

im kidding.. this story is crazy. terrible

[Ehwmatt]

Let me be perfectly clear here: In no way do I believe these videos/videogames etc. are responsible for the depravity gripping our society.

it doest help...

but they in no way should be blamed any more than hard rock music should be blamed.

who are you listening to? venom?

So what's the solution? Ban everything? I'm quite conservative as most here should know by now, but there are some libertarian values coursing strongly through my veins.

I think Hollywood people that are filming and putting this shit out there are disgusting and are really quite pathetic for not being able to be more artful about certain things (often, a great artist shows you/tells you things subtly), because they are just trying to generate controversy and get people to watch it. But, I'd fight to the death for their ability to do it as well. I personally think there are some things that shouldn't be shown/allowed, but every one has his own line to draw and that just isn't good enough for what we're supposed to stand for. So I have to live with some garbage like this.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/gen ... urder.html

^^^ This is a shitty kind of thing.

dude.. you got much deeper than i am realo quick .. i got a couple of guys checking over this to help me answer..

Fuck it, let's have a beer

[larryfromnextdoor]

Fuck it, let's have a beer

dude.. that story is crazy..


ok.. lets get out the Busch light..

[Ehwmatt]

Fuck it, let's have a beer

dude.. that story is crazy..


ok.. lets get out the Busch light..

Cleveland's finest:

[larryfromnextdoor]

Fuck it, let's have a beer

dude.. that story is crazy..


ok.. lets get out the Busch light..

Cleveland's finest:

gawd dog.. ive never heard of that one..

my town just went "wet".. last in texas.. im used to buying Pearl off of a guys porch ..

you have designer beers..

[StevePerryHair]

Fuck it, let's have a beer

dude.. that story is crazy..


ok.. lets get out the Busch light..

Cleveland's finest:

gawd dog.. ive never heard of that one..

my town just went "wet".. last in texas.. im used to buying Pearl off of a guys porch ..

you have designer beers..

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

[Ehwmatt]

gawd dog.. ive never heard of that one..

my town just went "wet".. last in texas.. im used to buying Pearl off of a guys porch ..

you have designer beers..

It's one of the best parts about Cleveland... one of the best microbreweries in the US. It's starting to get popular nationwide. I hope not too popular because that tends to ruin some good breweries...

[larryfromnextdoor]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

[StevePerryHair]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

[Ehwmatt]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

I'd rather live in Iraq than live in a dry town , fuck

[larryfromnextdoor]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

funny too.. Lubbock is a quarter million people .. with all the hayseeds ..

[Rick]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

Texas is still really conservative. Southern Baptists have a strong hold. We have what's called "Blue Laws" that control a lot of things, including when department stores can be open, when alcohol can be sold, and what types of alcohol can be sold and such. I love your pic, btw.

[larryfromnextdoor]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

I'd rather live in Iraq than live in a dry town , fuck

na man.. all you had to do was drive one mile out of the city.. liquor stores everywhere.. neon as far as the eyes can see....

[Ehwmatt]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

I'd rather live in Iraq than live in a dry town , fuck

na man.. all you had to do was drive one mile out of the city.. liquor stores everywhere.. neon as far as the eyes can see....

What happens when I run out of beer at 1 am and need to drink more?

[larryfromnextdoor]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

Texas is still really conservative. Southern Baptists have a strong hold. We have what's called "Blue Laws" that control a lot of things, including when department stores can be open, when alcohol can be sold, and what types of alcohol can be sold and such. I love your pic, btw.

rick ,, remember in the '70's... the Blue Law.. you couldnt buy Toys or Batteries etc etc.. on Sunday.. you couldnt buy a 9 volt battery or a Hot Wheel on Sundays.. one messed up state.. that i will never move away from.. unless shes just real hot.. ..
i mean smart.. i mean has lots of money..

[larryfromnextdoor]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

I'd rather live in Iraq than live in a dry town , fuck

na man.. all you had to do was drive one mile out of the city.. liquor stores everywhere.. neon as far as the eyes can see....

What happens when I run out of beer at 1 am and need to drink more?

then you call me .. i drive you to the bootlegers house on the east side.. green torino with no wheels.. get yo drink back on.

buck a can .. cash

[StevePerryHair]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

Texas is still really conservative. Southern Baptists have a strong hold. We have what's called "Blue Laws" that control a lot of things, including when department stores can be open, when alcohol can be sold, and what types of alcohol can be sold and such. I love your pic, btw.

Thanks Rick:)

Florida has some towns that still have the blue laws. In my town you can't buy alcohol after 2am and before 9am, which sucked when I was trying to buy a bottle of wine one morning, to use for dinner, and I was shopping at 8am I DON'T get that. We can buy it on Sunday though. The next town over however, you can't. I don't think we have any true dry towns though! I bet there were some years ago though for the reasons you're saying!!

[StevePerryHair]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

I'd rather live in Iraq than live in a dry town , fuck

na man.. all you had to do was drive one mile out of the city.. liquor stores everywhere.. neon as far as the eyes can see....

What happens when I run out of beer at 1 am and need to drink more?

Well PA's laws with the "state liquor store" thing is weird to me too. I mean that limits you too. And the beer distributors only have certain hours. I remember you could buy up to 2 six packs to take out of a bar though? Is that right? So many crazy laws!

[JH'sTXfan]

The town I grew up in in E. Tx is still dry. They have to drive 15 miles to the county line to buy alcohol.

[StevePerryHair]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

Texas is still really conservative. Southern Baptists have a strong hold. We have what's called "Blue Laws" that control a lot of things, including when department stores can be open, when alcohol can be sold, and what types of alcohol can be sold and such. I love your pic, btw.

rick ,, remember in the '70's... the Blue Law.. you couldnt buy Toys or Batteries etc etc.. on Sunday.. you couldnt buy a 9 volt battery or a Hot Wheel on Sundays.. one messed up state.. that i will never move away from.. unless shes just real hot.. ..
i mean smart.. i mean has lots of money..

Yeah, cause money's the most important thing to you!!

[Ehwmatt]

They still had "dry" towns in Texas???

lubbock!! home and birth town of ROCK N ROLL!!!! and the party center of the entire state.. with

Texas Tech .. it was kept dry until 2 months ago... i think everyone is making up for lost time..

Wow! I never knew towns like that still existed

I'd rather live in Iraq than live in a dry town , fuck

na man.. all you had to do was drive one mile out of the city.. liquor stores everywhere.. neon as far as the eyes can see....

What happens when I run out of beer at 1 am and need to drink more?

Well PA's laws with the "state liquor store" thing is weird to me too. I mean that limits you too. And the beer distributors only have certain hours. I remember you could buy up to 2 six packs to take out of a bar though? Is that right? So many crazy laws!

Yeah. Stupid shit. I'm glad to be out of that antiquated state! We always had to buy like 4 cases of beer just in case we ran out