Neal posted on his facebook today

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just think - a few years back Jon was contemplating giving up on new full length Journey albums completely.
Revelation has given them a new leash.
With Neal back to caring about Journey, (and not just phoning it in as with Generations), I'm optimistic they will deliver a classic.

[Don]

No mention of Pineda. Perhaps they'll still drop his name on a few credits just to appease his fans. It's not like there are monster royalties coming from any of Journey songs written after 1986 anyway.

What about Neal's solo album or his first ever solo tour? Talk seems to have died down about those endeavors.

So, are you already making an excuse in case Arnel does write something really good for the new CD? As I remember that was your criteria for him being more than just a good sound alike and getting credit as a contributor.

As far as a mention of Arnel, I thought Neal brought up a while ago that he and Arnel were writing. Now he is writing with Cain allegedly, one doesn't discount the other.

I don't need to make an excuse for him. I listened to his original music and know what to expect from him in that department. If you remember in the interviews where Cain has talked about creating music with Perry, lyrics were only half the game with them. There magic came from constructing a melody around what they were writing also.
As far as criteria for contributing, I would hold any singer to the same standard. I noticed right away that Kelly Hansen had at least 10 writing credits on Foreigner's new album. if he hadn't I would have been critical of it.

I don't give Arnel credit for anything the band achieved before his tenure, the same way I don't give Augeri any credit for anything Pre-Arrival. Besides their voices, the only thing they can bring to the band is their writing ability and that is what I judge them on. I'm not giving therm extra credit for saving the band, blowing their voice out, being homeless, etc. That has nothing to do with Journey's legacy as far as I'm concerned.

I think you missed my point, your stating that "Perhaps they'll still drop his name on a few credits just to appease his fans" seems to me, it gives you a way out in admitting that he did contribute something to the new CD, especially if its really good. I just want to be clear on your meaning.

A way out?

If his name appears as a writer on even a minor hit for Journey, Ill definitely give him credit for that.
Is that clear enough? If it comes to pass and I say something different, you can throw this post in my face.

[Since 78]

No mention of Pineda. Perhaps they'll still drop his name on a few credits just to appease his fans. It's not like there are monster royalties coming from any of Journey songs written after 1986 anyway.

What about Neal's solo album or his first ever solo tour? Talk seems to have died down about those endeavors.

So, are you already making an excuse in case Arnel does write something really good for the new CD? As I remember that was your criteria for him being more than just a good sound alike and getting credit as a contributor.

As far as a mention of Arnel, I thought Neal brought up a while ago that he and Arnel were writing. Now he is writing with Cain allegedly, one doesn't discount the other.

I don't need to make an excuse for him. I listened to his original music and know what to expect from him in that department. If you remember in the interviews where Cain has talked about creating music with Perry, lyrics were only half the game with them. There magic came from constructing a melody around what they were writing also.
As far as criteria for contributing, I would hold any singer to the same standard. I noticed right away that Kelly Hansen had at least 10 writing credits on Foreigner's new album. if he hadn't I would have been critical of it.

I don't give Arnel credit for anything the band achieved before his tenure, the same way I don't give Augeri any credit for anything Pre-Arrival. Besides their voices, the only thing they can bring to the band is their writing ability and that is what I judge them on. I'm not giving therm extra credit for saving the band, blowing their voice out, being homeless, etc. That has nothing to do with Journey's legacy as far as I'm concerned.

I think you missed my point, your stating that "Perhaps they'll still drop his name on a few credits just to appease his fans" seems to me, it gives you a way out in admitting that he did contribute something to the new CD, especially if its really good. I just want to be clear on your meaning.

A way out?

If his name appears as a writer on even a minor hit for Journey, Ill definitely give him credit for that.
Is that clear enough? If it comes to pass and I say something different, you can throw this post in my face.

Oh, only a minor hit? Nice catch there. So are we talking AATY hit or DSB?

[Don]

If his name appears as a writer on even a minor hit for Journey, Ill definitely give him credit for that.
Is that clear enough? If it comes to pass and I say something different, you can throw this post in my face.

Oh, only a minor hit? Nice catch there. So are we talking AATY hit or DSB?

Well, Reo had two songs off there last album on the A/C chart despite their album never even making gold (I've never even heard the two songs on the radio, to tell you the truth), Foreigner's one release from their new album is in the Top 20 on the A/C Chart. I think if we hold Journey by the standards their peers are setting, A/C Chart success is good enough. So basically we are talking an AATY or WDILYL type of hit.

[Eric]

Just think - a few years back Jon was contemplating giving up on new full length Journey albums completely.
Revelation has given them a new leash.
With Neal back to caring about Journey, (and not just phoning it in as with Generations), I'm optimistic they will deliver a classic.

I think the the "extensions" on several of the hits last tour (ex. Separate Ways, Anyway You Want it) are a harbinger of good things to come.

[Don]

Just think - a few years back Jon was contemplating giving up on new full length Journey albums completely.
Revelation has given them a new leash.
With Neal back to caring about Journey, (and not just phoning it in as with Generations), I'm optimistic they will deliver a classic.

I think the the "extensions" on several of the hits last tour (ex. Separate Ways, Anyway You Want it) are a harbinger of good things to come.

If there next release is supposed to be a concept album, how do the extensions done to live classic tunes tie in with that? Are you specifically talking about their live shows when you say "a harbinger of good things to come"?

[BobbyinTN]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Neal-Scho ... ..1&v=wall

[EightyRock]

Last time Neal promised "a rocker" we got Dead13.

[perryswoman]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Neal-Schon/72012740190?ref=search&sid=1377207478.2055033941..1&v=wall

That's actually not Neal's page. It's someone putting up what he posts after the fact.

[JRNYFan]

From Neal a moment ago:

Great 1st day writing with Jonathan today... we still got it...~~

[fightingilliniJRNY]

From Neal a moment ago:

Great 1st day writing with Jonathan today... we still got it...~~

[perryswoman]

From Neal a moment ago:

Great 1st day writing with Jonathan today... we still got it...~~

Yes and I like after 12 minutes he already has 42 comments lol!!

[Jana]

From Neal a moment ago:

Great 1st day writing with Jonathan today... we still got it...~~

Nice. And, Neal, rock it out, but I still want mid-tempo songs and ballads too. Use some of the moodiness of Arrival as far as melody on some songs and intros. And how about a two CD package? Make the second CD live songs (new and old) such as What I Needed extended version, Change for the Better, Where Did I Lose Your Love, When You Love A Woman, One More, etc. Even Separate Ways extended version.

[perryswoman]

From Neal a moment ago:

Great 1st day writing with Jonathan today... we still got it...~~

Nice. And, Neal, rock it out, but I still want mid-tempo songs and ballads too. Use some of the moodiness of Arrival as far as melody on some songs and intros. And how about a two CD package? Make the second CD live songs (new and old) such as What I Needed extended version, Change for the Better, Where Did I Lose Your Love, When You Love A Woman, One More, etc. Even Separate Ways extended version.

Plus 1 and how about Blue Ray of Live in Manilla because the sound is crap lol

[Jana]

From Neal a moment ago:

Great 1st day writing with Jonathan today... we still got it...~~

Nice. And, Neal, rock it out, but I still want mid-tempo songs and ballads too. Use some of the moodiness of Arrival as far as melody on some songs and intros. And how about a two CD package? Make the second CD live songs (new and old) such as What I Needed extended version, Change for the Better, Where Did I Lose Your Love, When You Love A Woman, One More, etc. Even Separate Ways extended version.

Plus 1 and how about Blue Ray of Live in Manilla because the sound is crap lol

For the live CD, maybe they can purchase some of the professional audio from the Graspop concert for some of the songs.

[Arkansas]

... maybe they can <include the feel> of the professional audio from the Graspop concert for some of the songs.

A very nice addition. Expand the sound to give it that life and in-your-face sizzle that we heard Journey play in Europe.


later~

[Eric]

Just think - a few years back Jon was contemplating giving up on new full length Journey albums completely.
Revelation has given them a new leash.
With Neal back to caring about Journey, (and not just phoning it in as with Generations), I'm optimistic they will deliver a classic.

I think the the "extensions" on several of the hits last tour (ex. Separate Ways, Anyway You Want it) are a harbinger of good things to come.

If there next release is supposed to be a concept album, how do the extensions done to live classic tunes tie in with that? Are you specifically talking about their live shows when you say "a harbinger of good things to come"?

I mean those extensions to me sounded like they could become great full length songs...OR at the very least that creative juices were flowing. They sounded fresh and really had a lot of jam to them.

[portland]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

[steveo777]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year. And Pineda is still in the Philippines, so, so much for his participation in this project, unless he's already written his part. It just seems odd to me that if you're gonna write, you'd want your lead singer on hand for the process.

[Don]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year.

He's saying they want to get in the studio in April. I guess wrap it up quickly and devote the summer months to their own solo projects?
He talked of doing some more shows in March so that gives about four weeks for him and Jon to knock out the writing.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year.

I'll agree with that. They're recording it in April, release it in October/November (maybe?), do a short run through arenas (with a support act) at the end of the year to support it and get Journey's name back out there, then go out on a major tour in 2011 through amphitheaters.

[Don]

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year.

I'll agree with that. They're recording it in April, release it in October/November (maybe?), do a short run through arenas (with a support act) at the end of the year to support it and get Journey's name back out there, then go out on a major tour in 2011 through amphitheaters.

I still don't think there will be any shows in 2010.

[steveo777]

So, where is Pineda in this process? Wouldn't the band want their frontman involved? Not to start any rumors but maybe they're gettin a different guy.

[portland]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year. And Pineda is still in the Philippines, so, so much for his participation in this project, unless he's already written his part. It just seems odd to me that if you're gonna write, you'd want your lead singer on hand for the process.

Yes this done seem strange to me as well.....I guess we agree on something

[Don]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year. And Pineda is still in the Philippines, so, so much for his participation in this project, unless he's already written his part. It just seems odd to me that if you're gonna write, you'd want your lead singer on hand for the process.

Yes this done seem strange to me as well.....I guess we agree on something

They didn't need him for Revelation. If Neal and Jon are on the same page about what they're trying to create, do they really need a third writer who might not totally understand what they're going for here? it sounds like Neal already has this sketched out in his mind, kind of like the way Roger Waters would do it when he was presenting a new album idea to Pink Floyd.

[steveo777]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year. And Pineda is still in the Philippines, so, so much for his participation in this project, unless he's already written his part. It just seems odd to me that if you're gonna write, you'd want your lead singer on hand for the process.

Yes this done seem strange to me as well.....I guess we agree on something

They didn't need him for Revelation. If Neal and Jon are on the same page about what they're trying to create, do they really need a third writer who might not totally understand what they're going for here?

Aren't melodies and stuff played during the writing process and sung a bit too? It would seem they would want to try some stuff out on his vocals as they go. I guess he shall remain a well paid puppet. No royalties involved and more for JC and NS.

[Don]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year. And Pineda is still in the Philippines, so, so much for his participation in this project, unless he's already written his part. It just seems odd to me that if you're gonna write, you'd want your lead singer on hand for the process.

Yes this done seem strange to me as well.....I guess we agree on something

They didn't need him for Revelation. If Neal and Jon are on the same page about what they're trying to create, do they really need a third writer who might not totally understand what they're going for here?

Aren't melodies and stuff played during the writing process and sung a bit too? It would seem they would want to try some stuff out on his vocals as they go.

On a normal pop album, yes. If this is a true concept album, Everything will have a flow and the vocals and melody will just adapt to the story being presented through the music. At least, Pink Floyd had done it that way, Roger bringing everything in and the rest of the band plugging into the storyline.
However they do it, it's quite exciting to see them break away from the same rock/ballad/mid tempo love song formula they have been connected to for so long.
(If they're really serious about this)

[Since 78]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year. And Pineda is still in the Philippines, so, so much for his participation in this project, unless he's already written his part. It just seems odd to me that if you're gonna write, you'd want your lead singer on hand for the process.

Yes this done seem strange to me as well.....I guess we agree on something

They didn't need him for Revelation. If Neal and Jon are on the same page about what they're trying to create, do they really need a third writer who might not totally understand what they're going for here?

Aren't melodies and stuff played during the writing process and sung a bit too? It would seem they would want to try some stuff out on his vocals as they go.

On a normal pop album, yes. If this is a true concept album, Everything will have a flow and the vocals and melody will just adapt to the story being presented through the music. At least, Pink Floyd had done it that way, Roger bringing everything in and the rest of the band plugging into the storyline.
However they do it, it's quite exciting to see them break away from the same rock/ballad/mid tempo love song formula they have been connected to for so long.
(If they're really serious about this)

If I'm not mistaken, Arnel and Neal were writing while in the Philippines no?

[Don]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year. And Pineda is still in the Philippines, so, so much for his participation in this project, unless he's already written his part. It just seems odd to me that if you're gonna write, you'd want your lead singer on hand for the process.

Yes this done seem strange to me as well.....I guess we agree on something

They didn't need him for Revelation. If Neal and Jon are on the same page about what they're trying to create, do they really need a third writer who might not totally understand what they're going for here?

Aren't melodies and stuff played during the writing process and sung a bit too? It would seem they would want to try some stuff out on his vocals as they go.

On a normal pop album, yes. If this is a true concept album, Everything will have a flow and the vocals and melody will just adapt to the story being presented through the music. At least, Pink Floyd had done it that way, Roger bringing everything in and the rest of the band plugging into the storyline.
However they do it, it's quite exciting to see them break away from the same rock/ballad/mid tempo love song formula they have been connected to for so long.
(If they're really serious about this)

If I'm not mistaken, Arnel and Neal were writing while in the Philippines no?

Arnel mentioned he was in writing mood but I don't recall him actually saying he wrote with Jon or Neal yet. If I'm wrong here, I'm sure someone will point me in the direction of a link that can verify that AP said this occurred.

[Since 78]

Another one today.........................


Heading out for our second day of writing.... have a great one everybody.

I hope they don't hurry the process. I guess since they are not touring in 2010, I'd lay odds that this next album won't be released until the end of the year. And Pineda is still in the Philippines, so, so much for his participation in this project, unless he's already written his part. It just seems odd to me that if you're gonna write, you'd want your lead singer on hand for the process.

Yes this done seem strange to me as well.....I guess we agree on something

They didn't need him for Revelation. If Neal and Jon are on the same page about what they're trying to create, do they really need a third writer who might not totally understand what they're going for here?

Aren't melodies and stuff played during the writing process and sung a bit too? It would seem they would want to try some stuff out on his vocals as they go.

On a normal pop album, yes. If this is a true concept album, Everything will have a flow and the vocals and melody will just adapt to the story being presented through the music. At least, Pink Floyd had done it that way, Roger bringing everything in and the rest of the band plugging into the storyline.
However they do it, it's quite exciting to see them break away from the same rock/ballad/mid tempo love song formula they have been connected to for so long.
(If they're really serious about this)

If I'm not mistaken, Arnel and Neal were writing while in the Philippines no?

Arnel mentioned he was in writing mood but I don't recall him actually saying he wrote with Jon or Neal yet. If I'm wrong here, I'm sure someone will point me in the direction of a link that can verify that AP said this occurred.

Maybe Chubby? I thought I remembered a photo and something about Neal and Arnel writing. Ive never been wrong before, but hey..always a first time.