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Postby 7 Wishes » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:16 pm

I do find myself wondering - if this Tea Party of Racists gains momentum, they could seriously undermine the GOP resurgence this fall. If I were a Republican, I would do everything I could to ensure they don't become a viable third party.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:38 pm

conversationpc wrote:I live in Hamilton County, Indiana. Last I knew, this was the 8th wealthiest county in the entire country. That was a few years ago and it may have changed but, the fact remains, this is a pretty wealthy area overall. That being said, the biggest agency that works with the homeless and poor in this county is the Good Samaritan Network. My church partners with them. We fed and clothed literally thousands of people from the area during the Christmas season. Now I don't know if they receive any federal or state dollars but most of their budget and supplies come from churches and donations. It can be done without governmental assistance. I saw normal folks from my church out early in the morning in 20 degree weather, handing out hats, gloves, coffee, donuts, etc., to hundreds of people waiting for some kind of assistance. Many people were there overnight, getting things ready, and other shifts of people from my church came later in the day after we were there. If what I saw on that cold winter day was possible, it's surely possible during the rest of the year, when the weather is better and when people don't have the holidays to deal with and spend their money.

That's certainly noble work, and you should be commended for it.
But nothing you said changes the fact that if social security, medicaid/medicare et al. were repealed tommorow, your church's efforts wouldn't put a dent in the number of starving and sick masses lying in the gutter.
Offhand, would you happen to know how many seniors in Indiana rely on a fixed income of social security to survive?
And which one of your bible study group members wants to be the first to tell them to go form a breadline outside, instead of waiting for a monthly check in the mail?
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Postby separate_wayz » Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:37 am

An excellent analysis of how the Obama White House got into this mess, from veteran political observer Charlie Cook in the National Journal:

http://insiderinterviews.nationaljourna ... as-ira.php

And then when unemployment numbers started proving to be much, much tougher and it started becoming more clear that the stimulus package hadn't worked properly, they just kept plowing ahead on health care. And this isn't a communications problem. This is a reality problem. And I think they just made some grave miscalculations and as it became more clear that they had screwed up, they just kept doubling down their bet.

And so I think, no, this is one of the biggest miscalculations that we've seen in modern political history.


It's a reality problem with the White House, not a communications problem.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:57 am

Fact Finder wrote:I don't mean far right just right of center. I don't want far right religous nuts, nor far left hippie progressives, I don't want left of center nor center. Right of center. Where the smart people go! :lol:


Lindsey Graham IS right of center, well right of center...and you want to ride him out of town on a rail!
Being buds with McCain and supporting a few issues out of lockstop with the base doesn't negate the rest of his voting record.
If you're waiting for a party full of ideologically pure candidates, keep waiting.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:05 am

separate_wayz wrote:An excellent analysis of how the Obama White House got into this mess, from veteran political observer Charlie Cook in the National Journal:

http://insiderinterviews.nationaljourna ... as-ira.php


What mess?
Healthcare reform is on its way to being passed via reconciliation, and may even include a public option – a measure that still garners wide support, despite it being the most aggressively liberal element of all the committee bills (so much for the country moving back to the neocon fringe).
And Cook’s wrong...
An administration shouldn’t stop in its tracks on one issue to pay lip service to another, not when healthcare costs are vital to getting the country running surpluses again.
The time to do this was NOW, and Obama is right to seize the moment with both hands.
Even if he is once and done, this historic victory will ensure that his name is uttered in revered tones.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, the GOP is proposing to do away with Medicare, voting against deficit commissions/pay-go rules, and vowing not to regulate the investment firms that brought the economy to the brink. The lines between the two parties could barely be more starkly drawn.
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Postby separate_wayz » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:23 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
separate_wayz wrote:An excellent analysis of how the Obama White House got into this mess, from veteran political observer Charlie Cook in the National Journal:

http://insiderinterviews.nationaljourna ... as-ira.php


What mess?
Healthcare reform is on its way to being passed via reconciliation, and may even include a public option – a measure that still garners wide support, despite it being the most aggressively liberal element of all the committee bills (so much for the country moving back to the neocon fringe).
And Cook’s wrong...
An administration shouldn’t stop in its tracks on one issue to pay lip service to another, not when healthcare costs are vital to getting the country running surpluses again.
The time to do this was NOW, and Obama is right to seize the moment with both hands.


"What mess?"?? .... Are you serious? I think we just have confirmation of a deepening reality problem among Democrats.

Here's a further quote from Charlie Cook.

I've spent the last couple of days talking to some of the brightest Democrats in the party that are not in the White House. And it's very hard to come up with a scenario where Democrats don't lose the House. It's very hard. Are the seats there right this second? No. But we're on a trajectory on the House turning over....

.... Well when a Democratic Senate candidates loses Barney Frank's district and loses Massachusetts, I think it raises a legitimate question of what is safe -- not what's in danger, but what is safe.


Cook goes on further to say that the health care debacle that you applaud is basically Obama's Iraq.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Even if he is once and done, this historic victory will ensure that his name is uttered in revered tones.


That would be the same revered tone used when also mentioning Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover. I think I just had my laugh for the day. Thank you.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The lines between the two parties could barely be more starkly drawn.


I couldn't agree more. And that's what's worrying about 60 incumbent Democrats in the House, many of whom will soon be joining the ranks of the unemployed.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:41 am

separate_wayz wrote:"What mess?"?? .... Are you serious? I think we just have confirmation of a deepening reality problem among Democrats.

The poll numbers are in the toilet because the economy is in the toilet.
The same problem haunted Ford, Carter, and Reagan early on - all of whom inherited a bad economy.
It has little to do with the Obama agenda - as other have pointed out, Obama hasn't passed much of ANYTHING, and what little he has, mostly upholds the Bush status quo.

separate_wayz wrote:Cook goes on further to say that the health care debacle that you applaud is basically Obama's Iraq.

Could very well be, but again, the public option remains popular.
If anything plays into the stereotype of big government liberalism run amuck that would be it.
This would seem to indicate that public disapproval stems not necessarily from leftism, as much as inaction, corruption, and heightened social anxieties.
separate_wayz wrote:That would be the same revered tone used when also mentioning Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover. I think I just had my laugh for the day. Thank you.

Hoover and Carter didn't add to the social safety net – getting healthcare reform done would, and in a MAJOR way.
Carter actually pre-dated Reagan with de-regulating certain industries.
As for Hoover, I think the man is definitely due for a reappraisal.
Not nearly as bad a president as made out to be.
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Postby conversationpc » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:34 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:That's certainly noble work, and you should be commended for it.
But nothing you said changes the fact that if social security, medicaid/medicare et al. were repealed tommorow, your church's efforts wouldn't put a dent in the number of starving and sick masses lying in the gutter.
Offhand, would you happen to know how many seniors in Indiana rely on a fixed income of social security to survive?
And which one of your bible study group members wants to be the first to tell them to go form a breadline outside, instead of waiting for a monthly check in the mail?


Moron...When have I said or even indicated that any of those programs should just be cut off immediately? That would be pretty stupid.
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Postby S2M » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:40 am

conversationpc wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:That's certainly noble work, and you should be commended for it.
But nothing you said changes the fact that if social security, medicaid/medicare et al. were repealed tommorow, your church's efforts wouldn't put a dent in the number of starving and sick masses lying in the gutter.
Offhand, would you happen to know how many seniors in Indiana rely on a fixed income of social security to survive?
And which one of your bible study group members wants to be the first to tell them to go form a breadline outside, instead of waiting for a monthly check in the mail?


Moron...When have I said or even indicated that any of those programs should just be cut off immediately? That would be pretty stupid.


Dave, that's not very christian of you...to call someone a Moron. What would Livgren say.. :shock: :lol:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:34 pm

conversationpc wrote:Moron...When have I said or even indicated that any of those programs should just be cut off immediately? That would be pretty stupid.

When you said "government" and "government assistance", I simply took you at your word.
To me, that means entitlements - PERIOD.
Clearly, you thought your premise through even less than I gave you credit for.
Won't happen again.

conversationpc wrote:Speaking for myself and not the Republican party, I don't want government to help those most in need. I want government to get out of the way so that people and organizations who already want to do it can do so unencumbered of government interference.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:21 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
conversationpc wrote:Moron...When have I said or even indicated that any of those programs should just be cut off immediately? That would be pretty stupid.

When you said "government" and "government assistance", I simply took you at your word.
To me, that means entitlements - PERIOD.
Clearly, you thought your premise through even less than I gave you credit for.
Won't happen again.

conversationpc wrote:Speaking for myself and not the Republican party, I don't want government to help those most in need. I want government to get out of the way so that people and organizations who already want to do it can do so unencumbered of government interference.


You would have to be dumber than a box of rocks to not be able to properly read or interpret what I said.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:22 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:That's certainly noble work, and you should be commended for it.
But nothing you said changes the fact that if social security, medicaid/medicare et al. were repealed tommorow, your church's efforts wouldn't put a dent in the number of starving and sick masses lying in the gutter.
Offhand, would you happen to know how many seniors in Indiana rely on a fixed income of social security to survive?
And which one of your bible study group members wants to be the first to tell them to go form a breadline outside, instead of waiting for a monthly check in the mail?


Moron...When have I said or even indicated that any of those programs should just be cut off immediately? That would be pretty stupid.


Dave, that's not very christian of you...to call someone a Moron. What would Livgren say.. :shock: :lol:


Even Jesus use name-calling on occasion. Next criticism, please. 8)
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Postby separate_wayz » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:57 am

From Rasmussen Reports regarding Barack Obama's eroding popularity:

Rasmussen Reports wrote:Strongly Approve = 22%
Strongly Disapprove = 41%

Presidential Approval Index = - 19%

This is "the lowest level of strong approval yet recorded for this President."


Says Rasmussen:

Rasmussen Reports wrote:"Currently, 39% of voters nationwide favor the health care plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. Fifty-eight percent (58%) are opposed. Most say that Congress should wait to act until voters select new congressional representatives in November."


Hmmmm ..... so, the president's 2010 strategy is (1) to continue to push for an increasingly unpopular health care bill, then (2) to announce new taxes to fund it, and then (3) to somehow assume that such an unpopular bill loaded with unpopular taxes will make Democrats more popular in November 2010.

This effort will be perhaps the most interesting confirmation and social science experiment in modern history regarding "consent of the governed". I don't think it's going to end well for the President and for congressional Democrats on November 2, 2010.
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Postby RedWingFan » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:38 am

separate_wayz wrote:From Rasmussen Reports regarding Barack Obama's eroding popularity:

Rasmussen Reports wrote:Strongly Approve = 22%
Strongly Disapprove = 41%

Presidential Approval Index = - 19%

This is "the lowest level of strong approval yet recorded for this President."


Says Rasmussen:

Rasmussen Reports wrote:"Currently, 39% of voters nationwide favor the health care plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. Fifty-eight percent (58%) are opposed. Most say that Congress should wait to act until voters select new congressional representatives in November."


Hmmmm ..... so, the president's 2010 strategy is (1) to continue to push for an increasingly unpopular health care bill, then (2) to announce new taxes to fund it, and then (3) to somehow assume that such an unpopular bill loaded with unpopular taxes will make Democrats more popular in November 2010.

This effort will be perhaps the most interesting confirmation and social science experiment in modern history regarding "consent of the governed". I don't think it's going to end well for the President and for congressional Democrats on November 2, 2010.

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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:38 am

conversationpc wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:When you said "government" and "government assistance", I simply took you at your word.
To me, that means entitlements - PERIOD.
Clearly, you thought your premise through even less than I gave you credit for.
Won't happen again.

You would have to be dumber than a box of rocks to not be able to properly read or interpret what I said.

Crying liberal media foul and “out of context!” may be the two favorite refuges of right wing hacks stripped intellectually bare ass, but that’s not going to cut it here...
The words below are yours, unaltered down to every last syllable.
If you intended to name which programs you wanted cut, so that government can “get out of the way”, you failed - miserably.
As it is, your position remains as flabby and non-practical as the GOP's, who rail against government spending, while attacking Obama in the same breath for eliminating Medicare waste and "throwing Grandma from the train."
Well, which is it?
You can’t make a serious case for a private response to charity, while cowardly backstepping from tackling the BIGGEST entitlements and deficit-drivers in this country (Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid).
To SW’s credit, he at least has the courage of his convictions to say that senior citizens and bums should be duking it out on the streets for the last scrap of rat meat.

Y’know PC, it’s becoming increasingly obvious why you prefer the one-way medium of your gayass blog to engaging with others.
You’re simply not capable of it.
Maybe you should consider rolling the boulder in front of the cave door and staying there.


conversationpc wrote:Speaking for myself and not the Republican party, I don't want government to help those most in need. I want government to get out of the way so that people and organizations who already want to do it can do so unencumbered of government interference.


conversationpc wrote:
I live in Hamilton County, Indiana. Last I knew, this was the 8th wealthiest county in the entire country. That was a few years ago and it may have changed but, the fact remains, this is a pretty wealthy area overall. That being said, the biggest agency that works with the homeless and poor in this county is the Good Samaritan Network. My church partners with them. We fed and clothed literally thousands of people from the area during the Christmas season. Now I don't know if they receive any federal or state dollars but most of their budget and supplies come from churches and donations. It can be done without governmental assistance. I saw normal folks from my church out early in the morning in 20 degree weather, handing out hats, gloves, coffee, donuts, etc., to hundreds of people waiting for some kind of assistance. Many people were there overnight, getting things ready, and other shifts of people from my church came later in the day after we were there. If what I saw on that cold winter day was possible, it's surely possible during the rest of the year, when the weather is better and when people don't have the holidays to deal with and spend their money.
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Postby separate_wayz » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:26 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:To SW’s credit, he at least has the courage of his convictions to say that senior citizens and bums should be duking it out on the streets for the last scrap of rat meat.


Monty Python's Flying Circus wrote:
From the Dead Bishop Sketch

Well there's rat cake ... rat sorbet ... rat pudding ... or strawberry tart.
Man: Strawberry tart?!
Woman: Well it's got some rat in it.
Man: How much?
Woman: Three, rather a lot really.
Man: ... well, I'll have a slice without so much rat in it.
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Postby Memorex » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:32 am

My political thoughts for the day:

183 pages of this thread and no one has changed their mind on anything. Sounds par. As an independant, it outlines the problems affiliated people face. Free thinking takes a back seat to defense. It all sounds like the same amount of noise in my left and right ears.

Did anyone catch Mitch McConnell on FNS yesterday say "shit"? I rewinded to be sure about a dozen times. Didn't see anything reported on it though. Made me laugh. He was talking about health care and saying that congress "thinks they know better about this shit..." You could tell he caught himself and understated the word, and quickly moved on.

I was thinking today - Bill Clinton, to me, is twice the speaker Obama is (for proof, see Bill's speech at the 2004 convention), and yet people act like Obama's speeches are like the second coming. It feels a little racist to me. Like a black man is articulate and so everyone is so shocked and happy. That said, I thought his race speech during the campaign was one of the best I have ever heard. I just think Clinton was more consistent, didn't ever really stumble. Even if you didn't agree with him, it seemed to sound pretty good.

Why have we gotten to a point in life where we are really disliking people for what they believe, politically? Is it because we talk more about it now, or was it always like this and I just see it more? I listen to the name calling and the bitter, bitter words because someone holds a different view politically. We seemed to have stopped talking about what we all agree on.

I have also lost all faith that politicians can ever get back to doing good work. I think it's all a chess game now at the people's expense. Both sides. I hate it.
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Postby Memorex » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:43 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Memorex wrote:My political thoughts for the day:


Why have we gotten to a point in life where we are really disliking people for what they believe, politically? Is it because we talk more about it now, or was it always like this and I just see it more? I listen to the name calling and the bitter, bitter words because someone holds a different view politically. We seemed to have stopped talking about what we all agree on.




I don't dislike anyone because of their political views, I just dislike their political views. Big difference. I would have a beer with Bill Clinton and even The Won, Deano and TNC are invited. :lol: We wouldn't agree on much I suspect, but we might find common ground on the NFL, kind of like we did here at MR during football season. On hot chicks I'm sure we might agree, it's just that the politics not so much. That's why our system is so great the way it's set up. One man cannot impose his will on all without 535 others agreeing more or less, and those 535 like their jobs so they best listen to the boss. Us.


Politics have been fought out in far more violent ways than message board flame wars.


I wasn’t just talking about here – though it does get pretty nasty at times. I mean in life. People at work hate each other over political views. Everyone’s an idiot or an asshole or a Nazi or the devil. You said you would probably not agree on much politically with your beer-compatriots. The issue is, I bet you would agree on 95% of the American way of life. So we have taken that 5% - abortion, climate issues, spending, taxes, and created such a divide.

I sure wish we could vote on policy and not people. I know it’s supposed to be the same thing, but it never is.
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Postby separate_wayz » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:48 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Reid: 'Men, when they're out of work, tend to become abusive'

By Michael O'Brien - 02/22/10 06:52 PM ET

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) suggested Monday that domestic violence by men has increased due to U.S. joblessness.

Reid, speaking in the midst of a Senate debate over whether to pass a $15 billion package meant to spur job creation, appeared to argue that joblessness would lead to more domestic violence.

"I met with some people while I was home dealing with domestic abuse. It has gotten out of hand," Reid said on the Senate floor. "Why? Men don't have jobs."




HA HA HA HA! :D

Is that Harry Reid's new argument to the voters of Nevada??

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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:55 am

Memorex wrote: Like a black man is articulate and so everyone is so shocked and happy.


He's just as much white as he is black. I see you've been trained to see him solely as black, too. Now what was it that you were saying? :lol:
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Postby 7 Wishes » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:00 pm

Fact Finder wrote:He's gonna try and jam this down the pubbies throats on Thursday...I hope they don't fall for his shit.


He is pretty smart to put it forth in that medium, though. It is going to force their hand. If he projects that well and convinces the American people that it will work, the GOP is in for a dogfight and could pay huge repurcussions somewhere down the line.

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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:47 pm

7 Wishes wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:He's gonna try and jam this down the pubbies throats on Thursday...I hope they don't fall for his shit.


He is pretty smart to put it forth in that medium, though. It is going to force their hand. If he projects that well and convinces the American people that it will work, the GOP is in for a dogfight and could pay huge repurcussions somewhere down the line.

"No" is NOT a policy.


Apparently Obama offered major tort reform to GOP leadership in private, and they still expressed no interest.
Should he do that on live TV, I hope the Repubs have their talking points in order.

Healthcare reform is going to happen regardless of who is in power.
Costs are rising too fast for it not to.
Should it be a Republican administration that finally gets its done, watch the bill be not very different from what the Dems are currently selling.
In fact, count on it.
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Postby AlteredDNA » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:00 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:He's gonna try and jam this down the pubbies throats on Thursday...I hope they don't fall for his shit.


He is pretty smart to put it forth in that medium, though. It is going to force their hand. If he projects that well and convinces the American people that it will work, the GOP is in for a dogfight and could pay huge repurcussions somewhere down the line.

"No" is NOT a policy.


Apparently Obama offered major tort reform to GOP leadership in private, and they still expressed no interest.
Should he do that on live TV, I hope the Repubs have their talking points in order.

Healthcare reform is going to happen regardless of who is in power.
Costs are rising too fast for it not to.
Should it be a Republican administration that finally gets its done, watch the bill be not very different from what the Dems are currently selling.
In fact, count on it.


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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:36 pm

AlteredDNA wrote:Source?


http://www.time.com/time/politics/artic ... 06,00.html

This is most likely what Obama was referencing when he told the House Republicans:
“From the start, I sought out and supported ideas from Republicans. I even talked about an issue which has been a holy grail for a lot of you, which was tort reform, and said that I’d be willing to work together as part of a comprehensive package to deal with it. I just didn’t get a lot of nibbles.”
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Postby Memorex » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:55 pm

Saint John wrote:
Memorex wrote: Like a black man is articulate and so everyone is so shocked and happy.


He's just as much white as he is black. I see you've been trained to see him solely as black, too. Now what was it that you were saying? :lol:


Yes, he is a black man. I don't have to assign white to him because in America, it is simply enough to be human.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:06 pm

Memorex wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Memorex wrote: Like a black man is articulate and so everyone is so shocked and happy.


He's just as much white as he is black. I see you've been trained to see him solely as black, too. Now what was it that you were saying? :lol:


Yes, he is a black man. I don't have to assign white to him because in America, it is simply enough to be human.


If you wanna "assign" black to him ... more power to ya. :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:11 pm

Saint John wrote:
Memorex wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Memorex wrote: Like a black man is articulate and so everyone is so shocked and happy.


He's just as much white as he is black. I see you've been trained to see him solely as black, too. Now what was it that you were saying? :lol:


Yes, he is a black man. I don't have to assign white to him because in America, it is simply enough to be human.


If you wanna "assign" black to him ... more power to ya. :lol:


LOL, yeah, he's real black alright. The son of a mixed racial union that grows up in Hawaii then goes on to pampered ivy league schools. A real culturally black upbringing if I've ever seen one. Shit, I have white friends from East Cleveland that are blacker than Obama could ever be.
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Postby S2M » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:14 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Memorex wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Memorex wrote: Like a black man is articulate and so everyone is so shocked and happy.


He's just as much white as he is black. I see you've been trained to see him solely as black, too. Now what was it that you were saying? :lol:


Yes, he is a black man. I don't have to assign white to him because in America, it is simply enough to be human.


If you wanna "assign" black to him ... more power to ya. :lol:


LOL, yeah, he's real black alright. The son of a mixed racial union that grows up in Hawaii then goes on to pampered ivy league schools. A real culturally black upbringing if I've ever seen one. Shit, [i]I have white friends from East Cleveland that are blacker than Obama could ever be[/i].



Are their names Sipe, Testeverde, Kosar, Rypien, and Quinn? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:15 pm

StocktontoMalone wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Memorex wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Memorex wrote: Like a black man is articulate and so everyone is so shocked and happy.


He's just as much white as he is black. I see you've been trained to see him solely as black, too. Now what was it that you were saying? :lol:


Yes, he is a black man. I don't have to assign white to him because in America, it is simply enough to be human.


If you wanna "assign" black to him ... more power to ya. :lol:


LOL, yeah, he's real black alright. The son of a mixed racial union that grows up in Hawaii then goes on to pampered ivy league schools. A real culturally black upbringing if I've ever seen one. Shit, [i]I have white friends from East Cleveland that are blacker than Obama could ever be[/i].



Are their names Sipe, Testeverde, Kosar, Rypien, and Quinn? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Well, incidentally no, but they are at least as black as Obama by virtue of their association by occupation with many blacks :lol:
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Postby separate_wayz » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:24 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
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Fact Finder wrote:He's gonna try and jam this down the pubbies throats on Thursday...I hope they don't fall for his shit.


He is pretty smart to put it forth in that medium, though. It is going to force their hand. If he projects that well and convinces the American people that it will work, the GOP is in for a dogfight and could pay huge repurcussions somewhere down the line.

"No" is NOT a policy.


Apparently Obama offered major tort reform to GOP leadership in private, and they still expressed no interest.
Should he do that on live TV, I hope the Repubs have their talking points in order.

Healthcare reform is going to happen regardless of who is in power.
Costs are rising too fast for it not to.
Should it be a Republican administration that finally gets its done, watch the bill be not very different from what the Dems are currently selling.
In fact, count on it.


If this is even credible, the GOP was right to walk away from it. Obama can't even deliver his own party on major issues -- how could he possibly ensure that ANY deal he makes with Republicans will find its way into a final bill that passes?? And who's to say that Obama's word is worth anything any way? As Jay Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) said: "He's beginning to not be believable to me." There should be no need to require GOP congressmen regardless -- the Democrats run the show, by big majorities. If they can't wrangle enough votes to pass this thing, that's more of a commentary on their own misguided, overreaching monstrosity than it is on alleged GOP "obstructionism".

Even if a meager tort reform proposal could find its way into a supplemental bill, this is all about the White House trying to blur the lines between the two parties so the Democrats don't take all the heat for this godawful bill in the midterm elections. The bottom line is: the polls show that this health care debacle is a turd. Putting a little bonnet on it doesn't make it any less of a turd.

What Obama and the Democrats forget is that voters have stated that they're turned off as much by the PROCESS of this bill coming together as they are the PRODUCT itself. Ramrodding this piece of garbage through Congress isn't going to win over any independents whatsover, and that's where the Democrats are getting killed. I predict the bill will ultimately fail, and that Obama was lose even more credibility and favorability than he has already. If it does pass along the lines of 51-49 in the Senate, and 217-216 in the House (with at least two vacancies), Democrats will suffer even more egregiously at the polls this autumn.

Republicans have managed to "make book" with this health care bill -- heads they win, tails the Democrats lose. If the bill is defeated, the GOP can claim that they sided with the American people and stopped a very unpopular piece of legislation. If the bill passes, the GOP can run against it this autumn and will make huge inroads in the House and Senate by defeating Democrat incumbents.

As Charlie Cook pointed out recently, it's getting very, very difficult to see how the Democrats don't lose control of the House -- largely thanks to this health care legislative disaster of their own making.
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