The Food Thread

[artist4perry]

Not TRYING to be funny, it simply IS damn funny . I laugh every time I come across a phrase like "putrid meat ditch."

Yeah that's just a killer phrase!!!

Now I KNOW you meant to do the laughing emoticon, not the eye rolling one. Admit it, it's funny as fuck.

No, it's actually really really gross.

Take it from Kim ladies, make sure you wash up!

You little turd!!

The WORD is gross.

If you must fling insults relating to female private areas, might I suggest "snagglesnatch". Still kinda sick, but you have to admit, it kind of has a cartoon feel. A guy friend named his ex-gf that and I've always thought it was funny. Like Lynn said, as long as it isn't aimed at me, I don't really care.

Gotta love a woman trying to teach us guys what to call their meat curtains on an internet forum.

I have to say it is a gross term. I usually use insults that fit............like pustule on a baboons backside........that is my affectionate friendship term for GI.

[bluejeangirl76]

Not TRYING to be funny, it simply IS damn funny . I laugh every time I come across a phrase like "putrid meat ditch."

Yeah that's just a killer phrase!!!

Now I KNOW you meant to do the laughing emoticon, not the eye rolling one. Admit it, it's funny as fuck.

No, it's actually really really gross.

Take it from Kim ladies, make sure you wash up!

You little turd!!

The WORD is gross.

If you must fling insults relating to female private areas, might I suggest "snagglesnatch". Still kinda sick, but you have to admit, it kind of has a cartoon feel. A guy friend named his ex-gf that and I've always thought it was funny. Like Lynn said, as long as it isn't aimed at me, I don't really care.

Gotta love a woman trying to teach us guys what to call their meat curtains on an internet forum.

That one needs to go too. Unfortunately, I lived with that kind of guy humor long enough that it doesn't matter to me as much. Doesn't mean I like it.

[Ehwmatt]

That one needs to go too. Unfortunately, I lived with that kind of guy humor long enough that it doesn't matter to me as much. Doesn't mean I like it.

lol, it's so descriptive and so fuckin accurate. It's a win

[steveo777]

As soon as this thread hits 40 pages I'm gonna grab a Hustler and go rub one out to celebrate.

[bluejeangirl76]

That one needs to go too. Unfortunately, I lived with that kind of guy humor long enough that it doesn't matter to me as much. Doesn't mean I like it.

lol, it's so descriptive and so fuckin accurate. It's a win

Its a win when it beer time with the boys. Women don't like it. All we hear are a pack of little 12 year olds when you all do that. Fortunately, most men are jolly well smart enough not to pull that business out on their ladies.

[JH'sTXfan]

That one needs to go too. Unfortunately, I lived with that kind of guy humor long enough that it doesn't matter to me as much. Doesn't mean I like it.

lol, it's so descriptive and so fuckin accurate. It's a win

Its a win when it beer time with the boys. Women don't like it. All we hear are a pack of little 12 year olds when you all do that. Fortunately, most men are jolly well smart enough not to pull that business out on their ladies.

You're dead on there. Jr High boys getting their little jollies from talking dirty.

[Ehwmatt]

That one needs to go too. Unfortunately, I lived with that kind of guy humor long enough that it doesn't matter to me as much. Doesn't mean I like it.

lol, it's so descriptive and so fuckin accurate. It's a win

Its a win when it beer time with the boys. Women don't like it. All we hear are a pack of little 12 year olds when you all do that. Fortunately, most men are jolly well smart enough not to pull that business out on their ladies.

You're dead on there. Jr High boys getting their little jollies from talking dirty.

Here's the thing: That stuff never gets old. Not at 12, not at 24, not at 64, not at 84. It's always funny to us men. Thus, we will continue to do it

[JH'sTXfan]

That one needs to go too. Unfortunately, I lived with that kind of guy humor long enough that it doesn't matter to me as much. Doesn't mean I like it.

lol, it's so descriptive and so fuckin accurate. It's a win

Its a win when it beer time with the boys. Women don't like it. All we hear are a pack of little 12 year olds when you all do that. Fortunately, most men are jolly well smart enough not to pull that business out on their ladies.

You're dead on there. Jr High boys getting their little jollies from talking dirty.

Here's the thing: That stuff never gets old. Not at 12, not at 24, not at 64, not at 84. It's always funny to us men. Thus, we will continue to do it

I figured that out on this board. None of the men I know in person do that in front of women, but you're right, I'm sure a lot of them do it when it's just the guys.

[bluejeangirl76]

That one needs to go too. Unfortunately, I lived with that kind of guy humor long enough that it doesn't matter to me as much. Doesn't mean I like it.

lol, it's so descriptive and so fuckin accurate. It's a win

Its a win when it beer time with the boys. Women don't like it. All we hear are a pack of little 12 year olds when you all do that. Fortunately, most men are jolly well smart enough not to pull that business out on their ladies.

You're dead on there. Jr High boys getting their little jollies from talking dirty.

Here's the thing: That stuff never gets old. Not at 12, not at 24, not at 64, not at 84. It's always funny to us men. Thus, we will continue to do it

I figured that out on this board. None of the men I know in person do that in front of women, but you're right, I'm sure a lot of them do it when it's just the guys.

Even on this board - they don't all do it.
And no, most guys don't do it in front of women. I think most of them know better.

[JH'sTXfan]

Even on this board - they don't all do it.
And no, most guys don't do it in front of women. I think most of them know better.

Agreed. Most on this board don't do it either. And I appreciate it.

Edit: Confession time- For some reason it's funnier than hell when Deano does it.

[artist4perry]

It is very JR High. I would know I deal with 7th graders.........LOL! At work and on MR. But lets face it, as annoying as some of their descriptions are, they can be great guys. When they want to be that is!

[Angel]

As soon as this thread hits 40 pages I'm gonna grab a Hustler and go rub one out to celebrate.

Does anyone else have a sick visual of steveo sitting at home clicking refresh over and over just hoping to see another page on this thread???

[stevew2]

As soon as this thread hits 40 pages I'm gonna grab a Hustler and go rub one out to celebrate.

Does anyone else have a sick visual of steveo sitting at home clicking refresh over and over just hoping to see another page on this thread???

I hope the poor fucker can even find his pecker

[steveo777]

As soon as this thread hits 40 pages I'm gonna grab a Hustler and go rub one out to celebrate.

Does anyone else have a sick visual of steveo sitting at home clicking refresh over and over just hoping to see another page on this thread???

I hope the poor fucker can even find his pecker

Well, obviously we haven't built up to the moment yet. I can find it Steve, infact, I'd be more than happy to smack you across the chin with it...............from half way across the room.

[Blueskies]

Its not the MR forum that's the main problem, it's the gossiping in PM and the offshoot forums that a member here starts where a group of friends, i.e. a "clique", gather. That in and of itself isn't a problem but when people start talking about members here and start gossip and attack threads about them to garner support from others due to the author holding a grudge, etc. then it develops an even broader scale "group think" which influences peoples views and tension and attitude is brought to this forum.

Many of us here know that the one called The Annex ended up causing a lot of bad blood between people. Many of us here that have been around awhile and especially those that were once a member of that offshoot forum know that there were indeed targeted planned attacks on people here on this forum from the clique that developed there.

I see the same thing happening on your offshoot forum, Beshad.
For example this thread started this week with me as the "topic" to discuss..

http://newwtf.forums1.net/wisdomtruthfr ... -t2131.htm


This is nothing but an example of gossip that causes bad blood between folks. It's stupid and childish. I don't think any right minded person would not see why I may have developed a bit of an attitude about a group of people here who participate in this kind of thing and yet they try to say the problem is all me and that they are just innocent "victims". Which is too ridiculous not to be funny. This is also just one example of a thread of this type. You have started several personal attack threads here on this forum as well, Beshad.

So like I said, it's not MR that's "horrible" or all of the people on it. It's the offshoot forums like yours that just brew more negativity which is then brought here by some as well as the one on one gossiping that goes on in PM.

After that is the problem of people telling me to do as they say and not as they do. The you can dish it out but not take it, thing.

As the person who started that offshoot thread, I can tell you it was an expression of frustration with you and your attitude, especially your insistance that there is a clique railed against you. There is no single clique, but there are a lot of very different people who have all, over time, come to the same place: we are tired of you.

We are tired of you judging our behaviour and our attitudes. You've told BJG off for talking like a man. You've told Carla off for flirting with someone in a way you didn't think was appropriate (and made some very factually incorrect statements about what she did at the same time.) You've told me off for telling you I thought you were wrong. You told S2M off for something he didn't do, in a thread where he was actually defending you. You've made countless value judgements against people, and many of them have been based on misunderstandings, and occaisionally on you completely getting it wrong. Most people here do the same thing every so often - but when it's pointed out to them that they have misread someone, or misunderstood what was said, or gotten the wrong idea, they back down and say 'ok, I got it wrong.' Except you - you've never appologised, you've never said 'sorry, I misunderstood'; it's always someone else's fault with you. And we are tired of it.

We are tired of you dragging out old personal fights and making them public. It's no secret that Nat/Angel and I dislike each other. There are some things that have happened between us, some of which have involved other people, that will never be forgiven or forgotten. But neither of us feels the need to spill it all over the board, and we are capable of having a discussion with at least a degree of civility, even when we're pissed off with each other. Most people involved in spats here do the same - except you. You insist on pulling out the same old story every time one of a certain group of people you have a personal history with makes any kind of comment about or to you. And we are tired of it.

We are tired of being attacked for holding an opinion that differs from yours. GI Jim and I are never going to agree on evolution, we each think the other is as wrong as you can be, we've even had some heated arguments about it, but we're still friendly, and we never let past debates spill over into what is being talked about now. I don't label him as always wrong because I think he's wrong on one issue, and most people here are able to do that - except you; you brand someone as wrong about something and then ignore everything they say, except to keep 'proving' that you are right and they are wrong.

We are tired of everyone being tarred with the same brush. I haven't called you names, I haven't been vulgar or abusive, I did start a thread on another board, away from this site, that joking suggested we should call you a saint. I could have done it here, where I knew you would see it, but I decided there was no need to add fuel to the fire, so I made a private joke on another site. But I am being tarred with the same brush as though I were Yulog, Beshad, Dean or Dan, using abusive terminology. I don't like to see you being called horrible names, because I don't like to see any woman being called those things. In the past, I've stood up for you, and I've received your abuse in return. Many other people have had the same experience. It's why we don't say anything now, because we know nothing will change. No matter what we do, defend you or stay silent, your response is the same and we are all against you.

We are tired of you deliberately baiting people. It's a horrible pattern to see - people stop responding to you and you start making posts, like you're poking the barking dog that went to sleep, deliberately trying to get it to kick off again. You can see it in this very thread. It's hard to watch that happen, time and again, without eventually concluding that you do it deliberately, that at least on a subconscious level, you like the fight, regardless of who you hurt, who you offend, who you upset.

We've all tried with you, Phyllis. Some of us tried longer, some didn't try very hard at all, but we all tried to be friends, we all tried to get along, we all tried to let the past be the past, and stuff that happened off board stay there, and move on, but you won't let it rest and you won't let us be friends. The fact is, plain and simple, you've worn us all out. No one has the patience to keep trying with you, even when we sympathise, even when we don't like some of the things being said to you. You are rude, prickly, dismissive, argumentative and aggressive, and worse still, when ever someone says 'hang on, what about you', you absolutely refuse to look at your own behaviour, and instead turn everything back on the person who asked the question. I've said it before, I'll say it again - you have some good things to say, and some interesting insights and opinions; the problem is, you seem to be far more interested in picking fights with people and setting yourself up as a martyr.


So, please answer me one question, honestly and without affront - how many people have to say 'enough, I'm tired of your behaviour and attitude' before you will admit that maybe you are wrong, maybe you are the problem. I'd like you to consider the passage of your post I highlighted above: it would be nice if you could start applying it to yourself with some honesty. And I'm wondering if you can do it without the attitude that other people should fix themselves first.

I appreciate you speaking without a bunch of name calling and in a rationed manner. The problem here is that I'm tired of all the bull crap that has been going on here for a long time. Y'all haven't been honest yet. Nice speech you wrote here, very well prepared and I'm sure it took you some time. Problem is its not reality. You have carried a grudge towards me for awhile. The reality is you made a diss thread, plan and simple no matter how you try to justify it as a "joke" it was wrong. The truth is it's also not the first time you've done it.

So lets return to why you personally hold a grudge. You made a thread here once to have a go at SPFanInOregon after you and a couple other women here decided you didn't like her, started gossiping about her and wanted her gone. Some here ( you know who you are) targeted her and started harassing her whenever she posted. So on top of that then YOU thought it would be "funny" to make a thread sarcastically making fun of her. One that was also disrespectful towards some peoples religion. In that thread I called you on it. Of course you denied what you were doing then too and tried to justify it somehow but you knew, your friends knew, I knew and she especially knew exactly what you were doing.

She thanked me for sticking up for her when no one else would. You didn't seem to care if you hurt her feelings or not you just wanted a laugh at her expense. I think that is mean spirited, childish and very catty to start threads only to diss other forum members, sorry, but that's the way I see it. If you had a problem with her why didn't YOU take it to PM? Didn't like her personality that you read into her posts either, did y'all. Andrew deleted the thread and you were steamed plenty that I called you on what you were doing.

You completely lost it and sent me extremely enraged PM's cussing me out . I would not fight with you and told you not to send me any more PM's and you just wouldn't listen. You sure the heck weren't being rational and just trying to talk it over calmly by no means and you sure didn't make an attempt to talk again about it or apologize for those PM's. Now you try to make out that the thread I linked today was the first one you started about me? Ha! You were so pissed you took a page out of Behshads book and started a couple here on this forum too with my name right in the topic. They were the same kind of bull crap attack threads that Behshad has started about me a number of times. Andrew deleted yours too and he made mention to y'all that he wasn't having that nonsense on here. He emphatically stated that he didn't want threads started with the sole purpose to diss another forum member. So when that didn't work you stated stalking my posts like a lunatic and did the same thing Yulog did for so long.

It didn't matter what thread I posted in or how benign the post was you were there to make some sarcastic comment and then you just started with the 'yes Phyllis' garbage after my posts regardless of what my post was about.. Come on who are you trying to kid, that was not innocent on your part that was nothing but harassment. Did I get into it with you when you did that? No, I just ignored you. There was no excuse for it either...the whole time you were doing it I was not in any tiff with anyone. You were relentless, so much so that Andrew even noticed it without me saying a word to him and he told you to knock it off. Only then did you stop. You took a couple more opportunities after that to write out long "assessments " of me after that though, didn't you.

And know you tell me how tired "everyone" is of me? First of all you can't speak for "everyone" you can only speak for yourself and the little group of friends you have. I don't have a problem with "everyone" and "everyone" doesn't have a problem with me. You look at the number of views of this thread now. If y'all think that everyone that's been reading it are all in agreement with the group of you that keep going with this then youre delusional.

Now I know y'all will come back and say that I am the only one who wants to keep this going but get real, if you are going to write a bunch of condemnation like you just did I have the right to respond to it. You sure the heck would if I wrote the same to you first and you know it.

As for your "one question" .. due to Behshads "poll" I guess I would need more then your clique to tell me since the vote was in my favor. Seems there are more people that want me around then your group wants to think. Maybe everyone hasn't bought into the propaganda campaign that y'all launched , ya think?

I'll put the same question to you : When are you going to be honest? First with yourself and then with everyone else? When are any of you going to take responsibility for YOUR actions? Not a single one of your clique has taken responsibility for anything and just keep putting the bickering all on me. It's flat out propaganda and you know it. I had good reason to get onto you as I stated above. What you were doing was not funny and was hurtful to someone. If it hadn't of been I wouldn't have said a word to you. In fact before you did that I had complimented you on your intelligence. I still think you are quite intelligent but honestly you can be quite a bitch sometimes and that was what you were being towards that woman and then towards me after I said something about it... and then you showed me your temper big time. You also must admit that although you say the thread you made this week was "just a joke" that others may see it as being sarcastic and quite frankly, catty....especially me!

Y'all need to start being honest about what caused the spat in the first place, you also need to start being honest when you say "we've all tried "..tried what? You PM'ed me to fight and the rest of your group haven't Pm'ed to "talk it over" at all. The only thing your group does is jump in to bitch at me at every opportunity y'all find and make random derogatory remarks even if I'm not even here or in a thread or on another forum. None of you have admitted to a single thing except Donna when she said in this thread that no I had not done anything to anyone in Florida and I was nice and that it was afterwards on this forum when I got onto Dean and they took it that I wasn't appreciative that the problem began. I thank her for finally saying that. It was big of her to speak the truth to what actually happened. Y'all should do the same.

And when you say I never have taken responsibility for anything, that's not true at all. I was mistaken with Carla and I readily admitted that at the time and apologized not once but twice. You are also wrong in saying I haven't been willing to talk or listen. There are many times I have talked about things to people in PM that you aren't aware of. One example I already mentioned in this thread was when Jim got mad at me for something I said once and he took it wrong. He apologized for calling me a name once he read the thread in PM then we talked on the phone and there has been no misunderstanding or problem between us since. Another example is back before you were here. I was being protective of a very young girl that had started posting here and I won't name him since we didn't talk about it on the forum like Jim and I did but a guy here that still posts daily took what I had said a certain way on the board and misunderstood my reasoning. We talked in over in PM and everything was clear. We've never gotten into a disagreement since . I could give some other examples of my willingness to talk things over with folks . So for you to say I'm not willing to talk is incorrect.

I'm willing to talk things over with anyone but you have to be willing to talk honestly in return. You haven't been here, Ari, all you and some others have done is put the blame on me. You know as well as I do that continued attacks and name calling and all not being honest and when everyone doesn't take responsibility for their own actions then nothing will get resolved. Seems clear to me that your group isn't looking for resolution at all. You just want to make it out to be on me and continue to ostracise and try to eliminate. That's why I have kept in this thread because I do not have to stand by and let things be said of me without answer. You wouldn't either. There have been many times I have ignored an attack and let it go but I'm not letting it go any more. Enough's enough. Either you make an honest effort to resolve the conflict or you go... y'all go about your business and I'll go about mine. Just know that if you talk about me in the open then I have every right to respond and will if I choose. The only thing y'all have "tried to do" is attack, not resolve.

[SherriBerry]

And now for a musical interlude...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1w0syylZI

[Blueskies]

And now for a musical interlude...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1w0syylZI

And now for a comedy interlude...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBC7pilGoPc

[artist4perry]

And now for a musical interlude...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1w0syylZI

And now for a comedy interlude...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBC7pilGoPc

Blueskies, I feel you are hopeless.........I give up trying to read that overloaded tirade above. My eyes hurt. You are happy playing the poor me card to a point of ridiculousness. Of course you are the victim. Your always a victim, and you always will be as long as you keep tabs on every slight every lobbed your way. You look for every slight ever said. Do you truly go through every thread to find all you can on people? How sad, how truly sad you cannot ever let go, or move on.

[Blueskies]

And now for a musical interlude...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1w0syylZI

And now for a comedy interlude...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBC7pilGoPc

Blueskies, I feel you are hopeless.........I give up trying to read that overloaded tirade above. My eyes hurt. You are happy playing the poor me card to a point of ridiculousness. Of course you are the victim. Your always a victim, and you always will be as long as you keep tabs on every slight every lobbed your way. You look for every slight ever said. Do you truly go through every thread to find all you can on people? How sad, how truly sad you cannot ever let go, or move on.

What a bunch of garbage. You didn't read it because you didn't want to but yet you comment without knowledge for that choice and make yourself look bad. Ari is a friend of yours so you don't want to look at both sides you only look at one. Thats judging blindly. She was not the person who should be telling me anything because there was good cause to say something to her when I did. She was completely out of line and still continues to be by making threads to only diss another forum member. That is catty, childish behavior and she should expect someone to say something about it and not just sit and take it. It doesn't speak well of you to uphold her in bad behavior. If your friends are doing wrong do you always turn a blind eye and uphold them in it regardless? What are you and others doing but playing the victim??? Hmmmm? Oh the group has just been treated terrible by me, boo frickin hoo.

Excuse me if I don't feel sorry for any of you since I have not started threads against anyone like Ari and Behshad have done several times. I also don't randomly mention anyone with an insult either like ALL of you who have been telling me off in this thread have done. have been doing. You and others that keep going at it in this thread are the one's who play like they are completely innocent and have never done a thing and big bad bully Blueskies just keeps picking on you little sweet innocent lambs. What a crock! Do you really think people are that blind and stupid that they haven't seen the targeted attacks, the threads made and everything?

And like I said above, if you or anyone else continues to write slams on me like you just did then I will respond if I want to. Just as you would. There have been too many times I've just ignored the crap pulled completetly. Well too dang bad if you don't like it because I'm not ignoring it now. This will stop when it's either resolved with honesty of responsibilty or until everyone just stops doing what they have been doing here and every where else. Now why don't YOU let go and move on? Your not even the one that is getting continually attacked here so it should be easy for ya. Why won't you? Because you want me to go away so you can continue to spew your load of crap without answer. Youre full of it, lady!

[Blueskies]

I'm going to the gym now and work out and then I have work to do. I will not be surprised a bit if some of y'all didn't just "let it go" like you tell me to do, whenever I get around to checking back in. For some strange reason I figure this thread will still be at the top and still be growing.

[Behshad]

We wont let it go ! You go enjoy your gym and get all your work done, Warrior Dasher !


I hope NOW Ari realizes what kind of monster we're dealing with here. Lets turn this into more Blueskies LoveFest and keep her around so she says good bye 22 times before she leaves for 22 minnutes and then back with more crap


Oh and as a wise Dan once said FUCK YOU PHYL !

[Michigan Girl]

As soon as this thread hits 40 pages I'm gonna grab a Hustler and go rub one out to celebrate.

Does anyone else have a sick visual of steveo sitting at home clicking refresh over and over just hoping to see another page on this thread???

I hope the poor fucker can even find his pecker

This is hysterical!! Stevie ...L'ingMAO!!

[Behshad]

And now for a musical interlude...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1w0syylZI

And now for a comedy interlude...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBC7pilGoPc

Blueskies, I feel you are hopeless.........I give up trying to read that overloaded tirade above. My eyes hurt. You are happy playing the poor me card to a point of ridiculousness. Of course you are the victim. Your always a victim, and you always will be as long as you keep tabs on every slight every lobbed your way. You look for every slight ever said. Do you truly go through every thread to find all you can on people? How sad, how truly sad you cannot ever let go, or move on.

Dont you know by now that she is always right and we are all wrong!?
Dont you know that she never calls anyone names,,, that she never starts any shit ,,, and that she is ALWAYS the victim?
I still dont understand how someone who feels so abused over the last years, would even enjoy coming to this place...... Then again, she thrives on this,,, she can let it go once in a while,, but she will always be back for more abuse,,, And as long as she keeps coming back, we might as well not disppoint her and give her what she likes and deserves.

[Arianddu]

I appreciate you speaking without a bunch of name calling and in a rationed manner. The problem here is that I'm tired of all the bull crap that has been going on here for a long time.

You are not the only one. Unfortunately, at this point in time, you are the only one who can make this particular line of crap stop.

Y'all haven't been honest yet.

I have not told a single lie; I do not lie. Ever.

Nice speech you wrote here, very well prepared and I'm sure it took you some time.

Only as long as it took to write.

Problem is its not reality.

It's my reality, and you have no way of determining what I think or how I feel, other than by what I say. I don't presume to tell you how you see the world, I only point out that others do not see it in the same way. I would appreciate it if you do me the courtesy of refraining from telling me what I really think; I find it offensive and highly hypocritical coming from you.

You have carried a grudge towards me for awhile.

No, I have carried a lot of frustration about you, based on your ongoing attitudes. If you would stop judging other people, and start taking responsibility for the hurt and the upset you cause, I would thank you in an instant and never raise the matter again. I don't waste my life with grudges.

The reality is you made a diss thread, plan and simple no matter how you try to justify it as a "joke" it was wrong.

I don't justify it as a joke; it IS a joke, and one based on a great deal of frustration with you. It needs no justification.

The truth is it's also not the first time you've done it.

So lets return to why you personally hold a grudge.

Again, please refrain from telling me what I feel and what I think. I don't do that to you, please don't do it to me.

You made a thread here once to have a go at SPFanInOregon after you and a couple other women here decided you didn't like her, started gossiping about her and wanted her gone.

No, I didn't. You decided that was what happened, and no matter how many times you were told that isn't true, you've kept repeating that lie. I would appreciate it if you stopped.

Some here ( you know who you are) targeted her and started harassing her whenever she posted. So on top of that then YOU thought it would be "funny" to make a thread sarcastically making fun of her. One that was also disrespectful towards some peoples religion. In that thread I called you on it. Of course you denied what you were doing then too and tried to justify it somehow but you knew, your friends knew, I knew and she especially knew exactly what you were doing.

No, you took a thread that no one else found offensive, made a huge fuss, turned it into a place for you to spout off again, and got so many people wound up about what you were doing that the thread got deleted. I spoke to SPiffy, she accepted that I was sincere in not targetting her, and we have been fine with each other ever since. The only person who has a problem with that whole episode was you.

She thanked me for sticking up for her when no one else would. You didn't seem to care if you hurt her feelings or not you just wanted a laugh at her expense.

Again, no I didn't; YOU decided that was what I was doing. The only person LLL and I were laughing at were ourselves and our own occaisionally obsessive (and rather embarrassing) behaviour. Several other people joined in, recognising it was a joke to be directed at the self and not at anyone else; in other words, they took it in the spirit that it was meant. You were the only person who did not, and because you insisted that it was directed at SPiffy, she became upset.

I think that is mean spirited, childish and very catty to start threads only to diss other forum members, sorry, but that's the way I see it.

And you are absolutely entitled to your opinion. I think it is shallow and passive aggressive to deliberately make posts that can only be interpreted as baiting someone into a fight. I also think it is shallow and incredibly rude to absolutely refuse to ever acknowledge that you got some thing wrong. And I think that it is mean and spiteful to make a negative post discussing how you won't support an effort, in a thread that someone made to be a positive thing. You were entitled to your opinion, but what you said and where you said it was just mean.

If you had a problem with her why didn't YOU take it to PM?

As I said, I did exactly that and we settled things amicably. Not that it's any of your business what we said or did off the board.

Didn't like her personality that you read into her posts either, did y'all. Andrew deleted the thread and you were steamed plenty that I called you on what you were doing.

No, I was angry that once again, you presumed to know what someone else "really meant" and kicked up a fuss about it when there was no issue until you started creating. As far as I was made aware at the time, Andrew didn't delete the thread because anyone found what I had said about the Church of St Perry offensive, he deleted it because of the bullshit that you kicked off in it. He can correct me in that belief if I am incorrect. Also, I have no problem with SPiffy; again, please refrain from telling me what I think, and please refrain from telling me whether I like someone else or not.

You completely lost it and sent me extremely enraged PM's cussing me out .

As I recall, I took it to PM, as I prefer generally to do when things get personal, and you completely over-reacted, made several threats and told me you would never respond to anything I ever said again. I freely admit that I was very angry at the time. However, part of my extreme anger was based on some incredibly rude PMs I had received from you in the past, in addition to my extreme anger at being called a liar. I do not lie, ever. I am human, I make mistakes, and when I realise that I have, I like to think I am mature enough to do what I can to make amends, butI do not ever lie. I have no reason to and I do not see that it ever helps a situation.

I would not fight with you and told you not to send me any more PM's and you just wouldn't listen. You sure the heck weren't being rational and just trying to talk it over calmly by no means and you sure didn't make an attempt to talk again about it or apologize for those PM's.

As I recall, you point blank refused to address a single thing I said, and made several threats against me. Moreover, I still hold I had nothing to appologise to you for then, and I have nothing to appologise for to you now.

Now you try to make out that the thread I linked today was the first one you started about me?

I said nothing of the sort. Please have the courtesy not to put words in my mouth.

Ha! You were so pissed you took a page out of Behshads book and started a couple here on this forum too with my name right in the topic.

I don't need to take a leaf out of anyone's book - my words and my actions are always my own. I don't post to try and impress someone else, I don't post to be part of a club. My opinions are mine, based on what I observe and experience.

They were the same kind of bull crap attack threads that Behshad has started about me a number of times.

I can only take your word for that; I tend to skip over B's posts when he's in rant mode, especially when he's getting crude. I don't like reading that sort of rubbish, so I tend to just skip it.

Andrew deleted yours too and he made mention to y'all that he wasn't having that nonsense on here.

I believe you were included in that statement, my dear.

He emphatically stated that he didn't want threads started with the sole purpose to diss another forum member.

I must have missed that post - please show it to me. As I said, regardless of what you have decided, the Church of St Perry thread was not directed at SPiffy. In fact, I can point you to well over a dozen posts that were made up to six months before that thread was started where LLL and I joked about the Church of St Perry; I believe that the joke actually dates back to before SPiffy joining the board.

So when that didn't work you stated stalking my posts like a lunatic and did the same thing Yulog did for so long.

Sorry? What are you talking about? I know how Yulog posts, I certainly do not make the same kind of posts. Again, please refrain from putting words in my mouth, and I will thank you not to imply that I make the same kind of obscene posts Yulog is capable of.

It didn't matter what thread I posted in or how benign the post was you were there to make some sarcastic comment and then you just started with the 'yes Phyllis' garbage after my posts regardless of what my post was about..

Yes, I did respond with 'yes Phyllis', but not to every post you made, just the ones that I thought were judgemental, hypocritical, malicious or provocative. I still hold that's the only way to get you to stop your self-aggrandising rants; by taking away any handle you find to keep a fight going, but making you aware that your view is not supported.

Come on who are you trying to kid, that was not innocent on your part that was nothing but harassment.

I don't believe that it was harrasment, but I accept that you may have felt that way.

Did I get into it with you when you did that? No, I just ignored you.

No, you did not ignore me; if you had, I would have had no incentive to keep posting.

There was no excuse for it either...the whole time you were doing it I was not in any tiff with anyone.

The whole reason why I was doing it was because you were being provocative and appeared to baiting for a fight, after a full week of doing exactly that.

You were relentless, so much so that Andrew even noticed it without me saying a word to him and he told you to knock it off. Only then did you stop.

Yes, I stopped when the moderator asked me to stop. I talked to him about it in PM, and why he asked me to stop; the reason is not the one you give. Nor was the request to stop directed solely at me; you were included in that request.

You took a couple more opportunities after that to write out long "assessments " of me after that though, didn't you.

Yes, because funnily enough, I still keep hoping you will listen one day to what people are saying to you, and change your style. As I have said many times, you have some good, interesting things to say; unfortunately they tend to get lost in the chaos, upset and aggression you incite. I have thoroughly enjoyed some of the posts you have made; I wish they were not in the minority. I also intensly dislike the abuse that is thrown your way, and I wish it would stop. Sadly, it isn't going to stop until you prove you can refrain from passing judgement on everyone else, and stop pulling up stuff from the past that should be allowed to let lie.

And know you tell me how tired "everyone" is of me? First of all you can't speak for "everyone" you can only speak for yourself and the little group of friends you have.

That's half-true. You are right, I can only speak for myself. I based my assumption on what I have seen posted in this thread and numerous other threads, and extrapolated that others were feeling the same as I am. However, I don't have a 'little group of friends'. I certainly have several friends on this board, but my relationship with any one person on this board is entirely seperate from my friendship with anyone else on this board. I don't discuss you, or anyone else on this board, with them if I can avoid it . I don't like PM gossip, and I avoid it when I can as I know how much damage and hurt it can do.

I don't have a problem with "everyone" and "everyone" doesn't have a problem with me. You look at the number of views of this thread now. If y'all think that everyone that's been reading it are all in agreement with the group of you that keep going with this then youre delusional.

You do realise that view count is not the same thing as the number of people who read a thread, don't you?
It's hard to draw the conclusion that there is a group of people who support your stance in this matter when there is not one person who has posted in support of your view. I certainly invite anyone who does hold that position to do so, with no negative response (from me at least.)

Now I know y'all will come back and say that I am the only one who wants to keep this going but get real, if you are going to write a bunch of condemnation like you just did I have the right to respond to it. You sure the heck would if I wrote the same to you first and you know it.

I haven't condemned you. I have given my view of what is going on, in the hope that you will see there is a different point of view than yours, and in the hope that you will use that and start mending some bridges. Nor have I said anything about you not having the right to respond; again, please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I did ask that you respond to a specific question first; a question you have not answered.

As for your "one question" .. due to Behshads "poll" I guess I would need more then your clique to tell me since the vote was in my favor.

I don't remember B's poll, I must have missed it. And once again, I am not part of a clique; again, please refrain from telling me what I do and what I think.

Seems there are more people that want me around then your group wants to think.

Again, please show me these posts in your support. As far as I can see, I'm the one who is supporting you the most, as I've asked the guys to lay off with the insults, and I've repeatedly said I think you can be a good person to have around when you aren't being judgemental and provocative.

Maybe everyone hasn't bought into the propaganda campaign that y'all launched , ya think?

There is no campaign, there is no group out to get you. There are a lot of very different people who all seem to be fed up with you. Again, please stop telling me what I think and what I do off-board; you have no way of knowing either.

I'll put the same question to you : When are you going to be honest?

I am being honest; I cannot help it if you refuse to accept my word on that. I would like you to answer the question I asked, please.

First with yourself and then with everyone else?

Again, please refrain from telling me what I think.

When are any of you going to take responsibility for YOUR actions?

I have taken responsibility for everything I have ever posted. Moreover, when it is pointed out that I am wrong, I acknowledge it and apologise. Are you able to do the same?

Not a single one of your clique...

Again, I am not part of any clique. Please refrain from repeating this untruth.

...has taken responsibility for anything and just keep putting the bickering all on me.

As far as I can see from this thread, we have all taken responsibility for our own words. However, I can find two seperate occaisions in this thread alone where you appear to be deliberately baiting people into having a fight with you. I can also point to numerous posts in this thread when you have twisted part of what someone said, and ignored the rest of their post, in order to suit your own ends, and point you to several posts in this thread where you have done precisely what you have told someone else off for doing.

It's flat out propaganda and you know it. I had good reason to get onto you as I stated above.

No, you had a personal reason. That isn't the same thing as a good reason. I'm not really sure what dragging up something that happened nearly a year ago was supposed to achieve; it certainly didn't address any of the issues I raised.

What you were doing was not funny and was hurtful to someone. If it hadn't of been I wouldn't have said a word to you.

You didn't say a word to me, you made a very public attack based on a lie you created that you decided was the truth, and you flat out refused to listen to anything anyone else said on the matter.

In fact before you did that I had complimented you on your intelligence.

I don't remember the compliment, but thank you for it. It doesn't alter my opinion of what you are doing now.

I still think you are quite intelligent but honestly you can be quite a bitch sometimes...

Very true. Most people can be, yourself included.

... and that was what you were being towards that woman and then towards me after I said something about it...

No, I will say it again - you decided that I was making a post directed as SPiffy; that was not what happened, it was shown then that your assessment was incorrect, and I got very angry with you for calling me a liar.

...and then you showed me your temper big time.

Yes, I did. I will get that angry with anyone who takes something I have said totally out of context and then repeatedly tells me I am a liar, despite all evidence to the contrary.

You also must admit that although you say the thread you made this week was "just a joke" that others may see it as being sarcastic and quite frankly, catty....especially me!

Of course it is sarcastic! If it wasn't sarcastic, it wouldn't be a joke. And it probably is catty. So?

Y'all need to start being honest about what caused the spat in the first place...

Sorry, what spat are we talking about? Are you still talking about the Church of St Perry thread? As far as I am concerned, once the initial crap died down, the whole matter was dead. To tell the truth, I don't see why you're bringing it up now; it's dead and buried, let it lie. As for what has been going on this week, you annoyed a hell of a lot of people with your mean comments in the thread about supporting Andrew, and it's been bubbling along in this thread that you hijacked away from it's initial purpose, which was discussing the current employment climate, with some supportive comments for Thenightbull.

...you also need to start being honest when you say "we've all tried "..tried what?

We have tried in this thread, and others, to make you understand that your style of passive aggresive attacks and your hypocritcally judgemental attitudes get right up people's noses.

You PM'ed me to fight and the rest of your group haven't Pm'ed to "talk it over" at all.

Sorry - what? The last time I PM'd you was last July. So what fight am I supposed to have PM'd you about now?

The only thing your group...

Again - I am not part of a group, please refrain from telling me what I do.

... does is jump in to bitch at me at every opportunity y'all find and make random derogatory remarks even if I'm not even here or in a thread or on another forum.

You are partly right here. There is a lot of bitching about you. Funnily enough, it rarely happens when you aren't making judgemental or provocative posts.

None of you have admitted to a single thing

Sorry, what am I supposed to be admiting to?

... except Donna when she said in this thread that no I had not done anything to anyone in Florida and I was nice and that it was afterwards on this forum when I got onto Dean and they took it that I wasn't appreciative that the problem began.

This sentence doesn't make sense, but I as I read it, it isn't what Donna said.

I thank her for finally saying that. It was big of her to speak the truth to what actually happened. Y'all should do the same.

Again, please refrain from telling me that I am lying when I am not and I do not.

And when you say I never have taken responsibility for anything, that's not true at all. I was mistaken with Carla and I readily admitted that at the time...

No you did not. I don't presume to speak for her, but at that time, you did not admit that you had been wrong, and if you apologised, it was not done publically.

...and apologized not once but twice. You are also wrong in saying I haven't been willing to talk or listen. There are many times I have talked about things to people in PM that you aren't aware of.

Of course I can't be aware of those things, but your public behaviour does not indicate that you have listened at all.

One example I already mentioned in this thread was when Jim got mad at me for something I said once and he took it wrong. He apologized for calling me a name once he read the thread in PM then we talked on the phone and there has been no misunderstanding or problem between us since.

I'm glad that is the case; it's a shame you can't take a leaf out of his book and do the same to the people you offend.

Another example is back before you were here. I was being protective of a very young girl that had started posting here and I won't name him since we didn't talk about it on the forum like Jim and I did but a guy here that still posts daily took what I had said a certain way on the board and misunderstood my reasoning. We talked in over in PM and everything was clear. We've never gotten into a disagreement since . I could give some other examples of my willingness to talk things over with folks . So for you to say I'm not willing to talk is incorrect.

I wouldn't presume to comment on things that happened before I posted here. My personal experience of you is that you will not talk things over with people you are attacking or making judgement calls on. Again, I have to ask - why are you dragging up things that have happened in the past instead of addressing what is happening here and now?

I'm willing to talk things over with anyone but you have to be willing to talk honestly in return. You haven't been here, Ari, all you and some others have done is put the blame on me.

Again, please stop telling me what I think. I believe there are several people who enjoy baiting you and I wish they would knock it off, but I also believe you incite a lot of the reaction you get, and I find it very difficult to believe that you cannot be aware of how offensive, aggressive, judgemental and hypocritical some of your posts are, or that many of your posts are not deliberately made to get a reponse.

You know as well as I do that continued attacks and name calling and all not being honest and when everyone doesn't take responsibility for their own actions then nothing will get resolved.

Again, this sentence makes no sense, but I think I understand what you are saying. I'll respond with - will you take responsibility for the upset you have caused and the insulting posts you have made? Will you take responsibility for your own actions and genuinely make some apologies?

Seems clear to me that your group isn't looking for resolution at all.

Again, I am not part of a group, please stop saying I am.

You just want to make it out to be on me and continue to ostracise and try to eliminate.

I don't want to elimate you; I'd like to see 'fun' Phyllis posting rather than 'Martyr And Moral Authority' Phyllis posting. I'd like to see you posting something fresh and inciteful, instead of pulling up past shit. I'd like to see you regain the respect of some of the people here, by refraining from being judgemental and hypocritical.

That's why I have kept in this thread because I do not have to stand by and let things be said of me without answer. You wouldn't either. There have been many times I have ignored an attack and let it go but I'm not letting it go any more. Enough's enough.

Yes, it is enough - and unfortunately, as I said before, you are the only one who can end it.

Either you make an honest effort to resolve the conflict or you go...

Could you please re-read that statement. And read it again. Now, please show me where you have tried to resolve anything? I've seen a lot of posts attacking, and a lot of posts justifying yourself, but I haven't seen any that I recall where you try to resolve anything.

y'all go about your business and I'll go about mine.

When SPH tried to do that, you kept pushing her. If you are going to tell us what to do with regards to something, please make sure you are squeaky-clean on that front.

Just know that if you talk about me in the open then I have every right to respond and will if I choose.

I never said you didn't, or you shouldn't. I did ask you a question, one you still haven't answered.

The only thing y'all have "tried to do" is attack, not resolve.

No, I did not attack; I explained what I saw happening, and I asked you a question, which I will ask again, and I hope this time you will answer it before you respond to anything else in my post. Please note - I have not said you should not respond to what I've said in my post, I am asking you answer the question first.

How many people have to say 'enough, I'm tired of your behaviour and attitude' before you will admit that maybe you are wrong, maybe you are the problem.[/quote]

[Behshad]

[Arianddu]

What a bunch of garbage. You didn't read it because you didn't want to but yet you comment without knowledge for that choice and make yourself look bad. Ari is a friend of yours so you don't want to look at both sides you only look at one. Thats judging blindly. She was not the person who should be telling me anything because there was good cause to say something to her when I did. She was completely out of line and still continues to be by making threads to only diss another forum member. That is catty, childish behavior and she should expect someone to say something about it and not just sit and take it. It doesn't speak well of you to uphold her in bad behavior. If your friends are doing wrong do you always turn a blind eye and uphold them in it regardless? What are you and others doing but playing the victim??? Hmmmm? Oh the group has just been treated terrible by me, boo frickin hoo.

Excuse me if I don't feel sorry for any of you since I have not started threads against anyone like Ari and Behshad have done several times. I also don't randomly mention anyone with an insult either like ALL of you who have been telling me off in this thread have done. have been doing. You and others that keep going at it in this thread are the one's who play like they are completely innocent and have never done a thing and big bad bully Blueskies just keeps picking on you little sweet innocent lambs. What a crock! Do you really think people are that blind and stupid that they haven't seen the targeted attacks, the threads made and everything?

And like I said above, if you or anyone else continues to write slams on me like you just did then I will respond if I want to. Just as you would. There have been too many times I've just ignored the crap pulled completetly. Well too dang bad if you don't like it because I'm not ignoring it now. This will stop when it's either resolved with honesty of responsibilty or until everyone just stops doing what they have been doing here and every where else. Now why don't YOU let go and move on? Your not even the one that is getting continually attacked here so it should be easy for ya. Why won't you? Because you want me to go away so you can continue to spew your load of crap without answer. Youre full of it, lady!

Ginger is quite capable of making her own mind up about people. There is a lot she and I agree to disagree on, and some of that is how we feel about other people. Please don't presume to think that she will attack someone because I dislike them; Ginger is a classy woman who is above that sort of petty behaviour; it's one of the reasons why I admire her; I suspect it's one of the reasons why so many people here respect her so much.

[Arianddu]

Bad boy!

[Behshad]

[Behshad]

[bluejeangirl76]

Ginger is quite capable of making her own mind up about people. There is a lot she and I agree to disagree on, and some of that is how we feel about other people. Please don't presume to think that she will attack someone because I dislike them; Ginger is a classy woman who is above that sort of petty behaviour; it's one of the reasons why I admire her; I suspect it's one of the reasons why so many people here respect her so much.

You are absolutely 100% correct about that. Ginger is kind and respectful and it about the last person whose name should ever come up in a topic like this. But I guess if a person comes in and agrees with something Phyllis doesn't like, it MUST mean they were somehow "put up" to it, right? It's always ok for Phyllis to express herself and defend her comments with "If you can do it I can do it..." - but then when you actually do it, it's an "attack". Whatever.

This is what made me laugh:

"Excuse me if I don't feel sorry for any of you since I have not started threads against anyone like Ari and Behshad have done several times."

Wow. So let me see if I've grasped the rules here - it's bad if you start a thread about someone... But it's totally ok to come in as the FIRST post and jump all over Linda's thread about supporting this site, and carrying on 20+ pages of arguing between two threads with just about everyone on this site. I guess as long as you don't start a thread, it's also ok to drag up peoples' personal business and talk about things that went on in PM - (it's called "private" message for a reason ). I guess it's also ok to sit in on a throne in judgement of every single person here, but it's an absolute outrage when they give the same back to you.

Good god.