Be Good To Yourself

[Don]

They performed 61 out of 63 shows on the ROR tour, with two cancellations because Cain was sick. That's a complete tour for Journey now days. As a far as stepping down, with no internet or you-tube back then, nobody would really know about it unless they actually attended a show or MTV reported it, which I doubt as they never talked about that kind of stuff even though other bands were doing it.

I think folks are referring to canceling plans for the second leg.

Well, in that case it's not so unusual as Journey just did the same thing a few years ago when they canceled the fall leg of the Revelation tour, the one that was rumored to have Foreigner as the opening act for them. I think the reasons were that everyone in the band was spent and needed a rest, especially their singer.

[Michigan Girl]

I am LMAO and shaking my head at the same time ...everything
this band does is OK as long as Perry isn't the one doing it
or making the decisions to do it!!

Step it down for the new singer, cancel the last leg of the tour
for the new singer, the reason they stopped rockin' was because of
Perry ...blah, blah, blah ...makes me sick!!

Oh, and Brywool and others who complain about Perry being toast ANDPerry pulling out of the tour ...
can't have it BOTH ways ...which is it?!?!

[steveo777]

I think if they threw well played renditions of IBAWY, GCHI and Suzanne into the mix next year, they'd find the audiance really loves it. As it's been, you gotta go listen to a tribute band to hear those songs live.

Didn't Deen Sing IBAWY in Hawaii last year?

Nobody can sing it like JSS still can.

Oh, please! I've heard JSS sing it and was not impressed.

[Eric]

They performed 61 out of 63 shows on the ROR tour, with two cancellations because Cain was sick. That's a complete tour for Journey now days. As a far as stepping down, with no internet or you-tube back then, nobody would really know about it unless they actually attended a show or MTV reported it, which I doubt as they never talked about that kind of stuff even though other bands were doing it.

I think folks are referring to canceling plans for the second leg.

Well, in that case it's not so unusual as Journey just did the same thing a few years when they canceled the fall leg of the Revelation tour, the one that was rumored to have Foreigner as the opening act for them. I think the reasons were that everyone in the band was spent and needed a rest, especially their singer.

I don't have a problem with what they did in '86 or in '08, although they did do a second leg in '09 for Revelation. I do have a problem with the useless 2004 tour that seems like the straw that broke the camel's back...and I have a problem with people wanting Perry when he doesn't want to work anymore.

[Michigan Girl]

I think if they threw well played renditions of IBAWY, GCHI and Suzanne into the mix next year, they'd find the audiance really loves it. As it's been, you gotta go listen to a tribute band to hear those songs live.

Didn't Deen Sing IBAWY in Hawaii last year?

Nobody can sing it like JSS still can.

Oh, please! I've heard JSS sing it and was not impressed.

Your opinion matters not ...

[Don]

Unfortunately, the tour they should have canceled was the one they didn't.

[Rockindeano]

I think if they threw well played renditions of IBAWY, GCHI and Suzanne into the mix next year, they'd find the audiance really loves it. As it's been, you gotta go listen to a tribute band to hear those songs live.

Didn't Deen Sing IBAWY in Hawaii last year?

Nobody can sing it like JSS still can.

Oh, please! I've heard JSS sing it and was not impressed.

Dude, JSS wipes the floor with Pineda on this song. No contest.

[steveo777]

I think if they threw well played renditions of IBAWY, GCHI and Suzanne into the mix next year, they'd find the audiance really loves it. As it's been, you gotta go listen to a tribute band to hear those songs live.

Didn't Deen Sing IBAWY in Hawaii last year?

Nobody can sing it like JSS still can.

Oh, please! I've heard JSS sing it and was not impressed.

Dude, JSS wipes the floor with Pineda on this song. No contest.

Pineda has never sang this song, as far as I know. Now stop with the JSS ass licking. It wasn't that good.
JSS doesn't have a voice geared to those kind of songs. JSS is a great singer though.

[kgdjpubs]

I think if they threw well played renditions of IBAWY, GCHI and Suzanne into the mix next year, they'd find the audiance really loves it. As it's been, you gotta go listen to a tribute band to hear those songs live.

Didn't Deen Sing IBAWY in Hawaii last year?

Nobody can sing it like JSS still can.

Oh, please! I've heard JSS sing it and was not impressed.

Dude, JSS wipes the floor with Pineda on this song. No contest.

I wasn't aware that Pineda had done this one yet. Still, I'm inclined to agree with you. Pure Motown vocal, which is JSS' forte, and one of the songs in the Journey catalogue that is actually in his normal vocal range.

[Rockindeano]

I think if they threw well played renditions of IBAWY, GCHI and Suzanne into the mix next year, they'd find the audiance really loves it. As it's been, you gotta go listen to a tribute band to hear those songs live.

Didn't Deen Sing IBAWY in Hawaii last year?

Nobody can sing it like JSS still can.

Oh, please! I've heard JSS sing it and was not impressed.

Dude, JSS wipes the floor with Pineda on this song. No contest.

Pineda has never sang this song, as far as I know. Now stop with the JSS ass licking. It wasn't that good.
JSS doesn't have a voice geared to those kind of songs. JSS is a great singer though.

JSS is a friend of mine and I have NEVER licked his ass. I told him right to his grill once that he sucked dick on Only the Young. The guy appreciates honesty.

You want to talk about ass licking, you seem to have brown stains on your tongue with Pineda's DNA on it. I think he is fine and all, but I listened to his rerecords of TPIYH and FITH and was definitely not impressed. Seriously Steve, you and 78 seem to think Pineda is the second coming. I get that you are both hard core fans and I respect that, but at least be honest about things. He doesn't nail every song every time, like Perry did. I hate to say it, but sometimes you come off like one of those delusional Pinoy fans. I mean seriously, they are quacked out fans.

[Since 78]

Schon sure does alot of talking about what he hates and what he will never play again, yet
he didn't mind having his pockets lined by those little gems!!
For someone who continues to put out the POP music that he supposedly hates,
he sure does it a lot. This tells me that the money does mean more to him than the music
...and until he walks the walk, how can anyone respect him when he talks the talk!?!

Gripes and complains about Perry era music, WTH?!?! At what point since Perry has anything
changed, in that respect ...did they rock out at some point and I missed it?!? It is
very possible, just tell me when ...and what, where?!?!

Schon is a geat, great geetar god ...I've seen nothing else about his public image
that is respectable!!

What? He said he wouldn't play GCHI, I haven't heard it since, so how is he lining his pockets with it? And I could name any number of rocking songs (compared to ROR) since Perry.

[kgdjpubs]

I get that you are both hard core fans and I respect that, but at least be honest about things. He doesn't nail every song every time, like Perry did.

ya know, I'm not sure we would be saying Perry nailed everything every time if he was the 3rd or 4th singer in the band. When you are the original singer, you have a lot more latitude for change within the song and melody than anybody who is covering it as far as the diehards are concerned. Food for thought...

[StyxCollector]

Schon sure does alot of talking about what he hates and what he will never play again, yet
he didn't mind having his pockets lined by those little gems!!
For someone who continues to put out the POP music that he supposedly hates,
he sure does it a lot. This tells me that the money does mean more to him than the music
...and until he walks the walk, how can anyone respect him when he talks the talk!?!

Gripes and complains about Perry era music, WTH?!?! At what point since Perry has anything
changed, in that respect ...did they rock out at some point and I missed it?!? It is
very possible, just tell me when ...and what, where?!?!

Schon is a geat, great geetar god ...I've seen nothing else about his public image
that is respectable!!

What? He said he wouldn't play GCHI, I haven't heard it since, so how is he lining his pockets with it? And I could name any number of rocking songs (compared to ROR) since Perry.

It's the Styx/Babe argument all over. When the money was flowing 20, 30 years ago those who now complain turned a blind eye. Now with many years and those singers gone, it's easy to claim it was a bad direction/hated it/whatever with little impunity. Plus, even if they're not playing GCHI, it's been on most compilations for the band. Styx has not put all of DDY's hits on later compilations (for example, "Don't Let It End" is not on the CSA/Gold 2 CD set). At least Styx has put their proverbial money where their mouth is when it comes to doing certain songs.

[Don]

I get that you are both hard core fans and I respect that, but at least be honest about things. He doesn't nail every song every time, like Perry did.

ya know, I'm not sure we would be saying Perry nailed everything every time if he was the 3rd or 4th singer in the band. When you are the original singer, you have a lot more latitude for change within the song and melody than anybody who is covering it as far as the diehards are concerned. Food for thought...

If the band were to actually change the arrangements up a little bit on these older songs, there would be a chance to reintroduce Suzanne, GCHI and IBAWY back into the setlist for a newer fan base that never heard the originals. I am talking a real change in the arrangement, not just adding a HSAH solo into Open Arms and calling it innovative.

[Deb]

I think if they threw well played renditions of IBAWY, GCHI and Suzanne into the mix next year, they'd find the audiance really loves it. As it's been, you gotta go listen to a tribute band to hear those songs live.

Didn't Deen Sing IBAWY in Hawaii last year?

Nobody can sing it like JSS still can.

Oh, please! I've heard JSS sing it and was not impressed.

Closest thing to Perry's soulful delivery you're ever going to hear on that song my friend......... soundcheck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8T1XAdw9Tg

Saying that, in general for the most part I prefer him on Queen material vocally more than Journey. But he did nail alot of the Frontiers forward stuff......

[Since 78]

Schon sure does alot of talking about what he hates and what he will never play again, yet
he didn't mind having his pockets lined by those little gems!!
For someone who continues to put out the POP music that he supposedly hates,
he sure does it a lot. This tells me that the money does mean more to him than the music
...and until he walks the walk, how can anyone respect him when he talks the talk!?!

Gripes and complains about Perry era music, WTH?!?! At what point since Perry has anything
changed, in that respect ...did they rock out at some point and I missed it?!? It is
very possible, just tell me when ...and what, where?!?!

Schon is a geat, great geetar god ...I've seen nothing else about his public image
that is respectable!!

What? He said he wouldn't play GCHI, I haven't heard it since, so how is he lining his pockets with it? And I could name any number of rocking songs (compared to ROR) since Perry.

It's the Styx/Babe argument all over. When the money was flowing 20, 30 years ago those who now complain turned a blind eye. Now with many years and those singers gone, it's easy to claim it was a bad direction/hated it/whatever with little impunity. Plus, even if they're not playing GCHI, it's been on most compilations for the band. Styx has not put all of DDY's hits on later compilations (for example, "Don't Let It End" is not on the CSA/Gold 2 CD set). At least Styx has put their proverbial money where their mouth is when it comes to doing certain songs.

Perry is not going to let out the GH without it though.

[Eric]

I think if they threw well played renditions of IBAWY, GCHI and Suzanne into the mix next year, they'd find the audiance really loves it. As it's been, you gotta go listen to a tribute band to hear those songs live.

Didn't Deen Sing IBAWY in Hawaii last year?

Nobody can sing it like JSS still can.

Oh, please! I've heard JSS sing it and was not impressed.

Pffffff...you is lyin!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbw8HlsKu40

[Don]

Schon sure does alot of talking about what he hates and what he will never play again, yet
he didn't mind having his pockets lined by those little gems!!
For someone who continues to put out the POP music that he supposedly hates,
he sure does it a lot. This tells me that the money does mean more to him than the music
...and until he walks the walk, how can anyone respect him when he talks the talk!?!

Gripes and complains about Perry era music, WTH?!?! At what point since Perry has anything
changed, in that respect ...did they rock out at some point and I missed it?!? It is
very possible, just tell me when ...and what, where?!?!

Schon is a geat, great geetar god ...I've seen nothing else about his public image
that is respectable!!

What? He said he wouldn't play GCHI, I haven't heard it since, so how is he lining his pockets with it? And I could name any number of rocking songs (compared to ROR) since Perry.

It's the Styx/Babe argument all over. When the money was flowing 20, 30 years ago those who now complain turned a blind eye. Now with many years and those singers gone, it's easy to claim it was a bad direction/hated it/whatever with little impunity. Plus, even if they're not playing GCHI, it's been on most compilations for the band. Styx has not put all of DDY's hits on later compilations (for example, "Don't Let It End" is not on the CSA/Gold 2 CD set). At least Styx has put their proverbial money where their mouth is when it comes to doing certain songs.

Perry is not going to let out the GH without it though.

Sony probably has a pretty big say in what gets included on a greatest hits release. That said, the band hasn't been under that label for years so what difference does it make?
The last thing I can remember coming from Sony's camp that's Journey related besides those blue "Member lineup" stickers they've got plastered to the front of Journey's Greatest Hits was the 3.0 version of The Essential Journey (I'm actually listening to The Essential Heart 3.0 as I write this).

[Since 78]

Schon sure does alot of talking about what he hates and what he will never play again, yet
he didn't mind having his pockets lined by those little gems!!
For someone who continues to put out the POP music that he supposedly hates,
he sure does it a lot. This tells me that the money does mean more to him than the music
...and until he walks the walk, how can anyone respect him when he talks the talk!?!

Gripes and complains about Perry era music, WTH?!?! At what point since Perry has anything
changed, in that respect ...did they rock out at some point and I missed it?!? It is
very possible, just tell me when ...and what, where?!?!

Schon is a geat, great geetar god ...I've seen nothing else about his public image
that is respectable!!

What? He said he wouldn't play GCHI, I haven't heard it since, so how is he lining his pockets with it? And I could name any number of rocking songs (compared to ROR) since Perry.

It's the Styx/Babe argument all over. When the money was flowing 20, 30 years ago those who now complain turned a blind eye. Now with many years and those singers gone, it's easy to claim it was a bad direction/hated it/whatever with little impunity. Plus, even if they're not playing GCHI, it's been on most compilations for the band. Styx has not put all of DDY's hits on later compilations (for example, "Don't Let It End" is not on the CSA/Gold 2 CD set). At least Styx has put their proverbial money where their mouth is when it comes to doing certain songs.

Perry is not going to let out the GH without it though.

Sony probably has a pretty big say in what gets included on a greatest hits release. That said, the band hasn't been under that label for years so what difference does it make?
The last thing I can remember coming from Sony's camp that's Journey related besides those blue "Member lineup" stickers they've got plastered to the front of Journey's Greatest Hits was the 3.0 version of The Essential Journey (I'm listening to The Essential Heart 3.0 right now. Apparently, all of the Essential collections are being upgraded with a third disc, and with a lowering in price).

No difference to me, my point was that Neal said he wouldn't play GCHI again, he didn't say he was going to wipe it off the face of the earth.

[Eric]

Anyone have that "Winds of Freedom" song JSS did with Journey? I lost it.

[Don]

Egads, look at us, chasing our tails again, trying to find something Journey related to talk about. Time to take heed from the lyrics of BGTY and take a break.

[Since 78]

Egads, look at us, chasing our tails again, trying to find something Journey related to talk about. Time to take heed from the lyrics of BGTY and take a break.

I know, who starts this kind of stuff anyway!

[Deb]

Schon sure does alot of talking about what he hates and what he will never play again, yet
he didn't mind having his pockets lined by those little gems!!
For someone who continues to put out the POP music that he supposedly hates,
he sure does it a lot. This tells me that the money does mean more to him than the music
...and until he walks the walk, how can anyone respect him when he talks the talk!?!

Gripes and complains about Perry era music, WTH?!?! At what point since Perry has anything
changed, in that respect ...did they rock out at some point and I missed it?!? It is
very possible, just tell me when ...and what, where?!?!

Schon is a geat, great geetar god ...I've seen nothing else about his public image
that is respectable!!

What? He said he wouldn't play GCHI, I haven't heard it since, so how is he lining his pockets with it? And I could name any number of rocking songs (compared to ROR) since Perry.

It's the Styx/Babe argument all over. When the money was flowing 20, 30 years ago those who now complain turned a blind eye. Now with many years and those singers gone, it's easy to claim it was a bad direction/hated it/whatever with little impunity. Plus, even if they're not playing GCHI, it's been on most compilations for the band. Styx has not put all of DDY's hits on later compilations (for example, "Don't Let It End" is not on the CSA/Gold 2 CD set). At least Styx has put their proverbial money where their mouth is when it comes to doing certain songs.

Perry is not going to let out the GH without it though.

Sony probably has a pretty big say in what gets included on a greatest hits release. That said, the band hasn't been under that label for years so what difference does it make?
The last thing I can remember coming from Sony's camp that's Journey related besides those blue "Member lineup" stickers they've got plastered to the front of Journey's Greatest Hits was the 3.0 version of The Essential Journey (I'm listening to The Essential Heart 3.0 right now. Apparently, all of the Essential collections are being upgraded with a third disc, and with a lowering in price).

No difference to me, my point was that Neal said he wouldn't play GCHI again, he didn't say he was going to wipe it off the face of the earth.

Actually, I wouldn't mind hearing Deen's take on GCHI. Has he ever done that one?

[Since 78]

Schon sure does alot of talking about what he hates and what he will never play again, yet
he didn't mind having his pockets lined by those little gems!!
For someone who continues to put out the POP music that he supposedly hates,
he sure does it a lot. This tells me that the money does mean more to him than the music
...and until he walks the walk, how can anyone respect him when he talks the talk!?!

Gripes and complains about Perry era music, WTH?!?! At what point since Perry has anything
changed, in that respect ...did they rock out at some point and I missed it?!? It is
very possible, just tell me when ...and what, where?!?!

Schon is a geat, great geetar god ...I've seen nothing else about his public image
that is respectable!!

What? He said he wouldn't play GCHI, I haven't heard it since, so how is he lining his pockets with it? And I could name any number of rocking songs (compared to ROR) since Perry.

It's the Styx/Babe argument all over. When the money was flowing 20, 30 years ago those who now complain turned a blind eye. Now with many years and those singers gone, it's easy to claim it was a bad direction/hated it/whatever with little impunity. Plus, even if they're not playing GCHI, it's been on most compilations for the band. Styx has not put all of DDY's hits on later compilations (for example, "Don't Let It End" is not on the CSA/Gold 2 CD set). At least Styx has put their proverbial money where their mouth is when it comes to doing certain songs.

Perry is not going to let out the GH without it though.

Sony probably has a pretty big say in what gets included on a greatest hits release. That said, the band hasn't been under that label for years so what difference does it make?
The last thing I can remember coming from Sony's camp that's Journey related besides those blue "Member lineup" stickers they've got plastered to the front of Journey's Greatest Hits was the 3.0 version of The Essential Journey (I'm listening to The Essential Heart 3.0 right now. Apparently, all of the Essential collections are being upgraded with a third disc, and with a lowering in price).

No difference to me, my point was that Neal said he wouldn't play GCHI again, he didn't say he was going to wipe it off the face of the earth.

Actually, I wouldn't mind hearing Deen's take on GCHI. Has he ever done that one?

Ive only seen SA do it and it wasn't pretty.

[Rockindeano]

Anyone have that "Winds of Freedom" song JSS did with Journey? I lost it.

I do, but it's not worth my time nor yours to upload it. Pure shit.

[Michigan Girl]

Schon sure does alot of talking about what he hates and what he will never play again, yet
he didn't mind having his pockets lined by those little gems!!
For someone who continues to put out the POP music that he supposedly hates,
he sure does it a lot. This tells me that the money does mean more to him than the music
...and until he walks the walk, how can anyone respect him when he talks the talk!?!

Gripes and complains about Perry era music, WTH?!?! At what point since Perry has anything
changed, in that respect ...did they rock out at some point and I missed it?!? It is
very possible, just tell me when ...and what, where?!?!

Schon is a geat, great geetar god ...I've seen nothing else about his public image
that is respectable!!

What? He said he wouldn't play GCHI, I haven't heard it since, so how is he lining his pockets with it? And I could name any number of rocking songs (compared to ROR) since Perry.

It's the Styx/Babe argument all over. When the money was flowing 20, 30 years ago those who now complain turned a blind eye. Now with many years and those singers gone, it's easy to claim it was a bad direction/hated it/whatever with little impunity. Plus, even if they're not playing GCHI, it's been on most compilations for the band. Styx has not put all of DDY's hits on later compilations (for example, "Don't Let It End" is not on the CSA/Gold 2 CD set). At least Styx has put their proverbial money where their mouth is when it comes to doing certain songs.

Perry is not going to let out the GH without it though.

Sony probably has a pretty big say in what gets included on a greatest hits release. That said, the band hasn't been under that label for years so what difference does it make?
The last thing I can remember coming from Sony's camp that's Journey related besides those blue "Member lineup" stickers they've got plastered to the front of Journey's Greatest Hits was the 3.0 version of The Essential Journey (I'm listening to The Essential Heart 3.0 right now. Apparently, all of the Essential collections are being upgraded with a third disc, and with a lowering in price).

No difference to me, my point was that Neal said he wouldn't play GCHI again, he didn't say he was going to wipe it off the face of the earth.

My point is that he hated more than just GCHI ...remember his open hatred of OA?!?! Those are the types of songs that
are still played, because that's what the people want to hear and in order for people to show up to the shows, he
has them played ...hating them, still!! MONEY, MONEY and MONEY ...he's in control now, if he doesn't like them
he doesn't HAVE to play them!!
Read the post in it's entirety and then you can understand where I'm coming from, friend!!

[Since 78]

Schon sure does alot of talking about what he hates and what he will never play again, yet
he didn't mind having his pockets lined by those little gems!!
For someone who continues to put out the POP music that he supposedly hates,
he sure does it a lot. This tells me that the money does mean more to him than the music
...and until he walks the walk, how can anyone respect him when he talks the talk!?!

Gripes and complains about Perry era music, WTH?!?! At what point since Perry has anything
changed, in that respect ...did they rock out at some point and I missed it?!? It is
very possible, just tell me when ...and what, where?!?!

Schon is a geat, great geetar god ...I've seen nothing else about his public image
that is respectable!!

What? He said he wouldn't play GCHI, I haven't heard it since, so how is he lining his pockets with it? And I could name any number of rocking songs (compared to ROR) since Perry.

It's the Styx/Babe argument all over. When the money was flowing 20, 30 years ago those who now complain turned a blind eye. Now with many years and those singers gone, it's easy to claim it was a bad direction/hated it/whatever with little impunity. Plus, even if they're not playing GCHI, it's been on most compilations for the band. Styx has not put all of DDY's hits on later compilations (for example, "Don't Let It End" is not on the CSA/Gold 2 CD set). At least Styx has put their proverbial money where their mouth is when it comes to doing certain songs.

Perry is not going to let out the GH without it though.

Sony probably has a pretty big say in what gets included on a greatest hits release. That said, the band hasn't been under that label for years so what difference does it make?
The last thing I can remember coming from Sony's camp that's Journey related besides those blue "Member lineup" stickers they've got plastered to the front of Journey's Greatest Hits was the 3.0 version of The Essential Journey (I'm listening to The Essential Heart 3.0 right now. Apparently, all of the Essential collections are being upgraded with a third disc, and with a lowering in price).

No difference to me, my point was that Neal said he wouldn't play GCHI again, he didn't say he was going to wipe it off the face of the earth.

My point is that he hated more than just GCHI ...remember his open hatred of OA?!?! Those are the types of songs that
are still played, because that's what the people want to hear and in order for people to show up to the shows, he
has them played ...hating them, still!! MONEY, MONEY and MONEY ...he's in control now, if he doesn't like them
he doesn't HAVE to play them!!
Read the post in it's entirety and then you can understand where I'm coming from, friend!!

That would be OK with me, but Cain would probably have a big problem with it, with his spot light intro and all. Frankly, I could care less if they ever do a Perry era song live again. and that's where I'm coming from my Friend.

[Eric]

Anyone have that "Winds of Freedom" song JSS did with Journey? I lost it.

I do, but it's not worth my time nor yours to upload it. Pure shit.

It wasn't good..but I still want it for my collection.

[Rockindeano]

Anyone have that "Winds of Freedom" song JSS did with Journey? I lost it.

I do, but it's not worth my time nor yours to upload it. Pure shit.

It wasn't good..but I still want it for my collection.

Let me dig that fucker out. My cd drive is broken so I might have to mail it to you.

[Deb]

Anyone have that "Winds of Freedom" song JSS did with Journey? I lost it.

I do, but it's not worth my time nor yours to upload it. Pure shit.

It wasn't good..but I still want it for my collection.

Let me dig that fucker out. My cd drive is broken so I might have to mail it to you.

The vocals were good, but the song sucked.