Saw THE LAST EXORCISM the other night

[verslibre]

I like Phantasm better, anyway. THAT is a unique concept.

Yea, too bad the sequels are so campy. The first one is a def. classic.

The last sequel, Phantasm: OblIVion, was very good. And Phantasm II was pretty solid, it just didn't have Michael Baldwin. I saw that one in the theater.

Phantasm III, OTOH, was forgettable.

[jrnyman28]

Every time a horror film thread is created, I won't waste anytime to let it be known my incredible LOVE I have for the original Nightmare on Elm Street. By far the most terrifying movie of its time, hands down. At the time, a unique and genius concept as well.

I still haven't seen the remake. Most people seem to hate it, but that's often the sign of a rare gem that only the chosen few can appreciate. Didn't you like that film?

Only the people that didn't go in with an open mind hated the remake. I freakin loved it but if you go in expecting what happened in the original to be the same as this of course your gonna hate it. My advice don't think about the original when you see this.

I also loved the remake, although I think they need to do a better job on Freddy's make-up for the next one. Yes, there were big changes but I simply loved Freddy returning to EVIL and menacing. Agreed that if you don't spend your timecomparing the two you will enjoy it much more!

Also, if you get a chance to watch "Never Sleep Again-The Elm Street Legacy" I urge you to do so. I have forgiven many of the NOES missteps when seen in a new light. Great documentary!

[S2M]

Phantasm is my favorite horror series....Met Angus Scrimm in '92, and Michael & Reggie in '95. I admit it is campy, but that's what so awesome about it....

[jrnyman28]

were fully prepared to enjoy Elm Street 2010. Sadly, the movie was a bore, and stayed waay too close to the original. It's a by-the-numbers remake. If you've seen the original, this one offers nothing. Jackie Earle Haley also didn't come close to filling Englund's razor fingered gloves. The remake isn't bad per se, but it IS pointless.

I don't know how you can say that! "Quarantine" was a scene-by-scene remake of REC (although decent). This was way different! Different characters, different order of events, characters missing, the backstory... And I totally think Jackie did a great job. He just didn't quite look scary enough. The "realistic" burn make-up failed.

[S2M]

The problem with horror movies today is they aren't scary...they seem to be a springboard for trampy actresses, and stone-faced actors. I don't think I've been scared in YEARS. Although, The Fourth Kind scared the fuck out of me....

[jrnyman28]

I'll have to check it out. It is a shame that with all the technology and advances in filmmaking we have today, they've done nothing more with most of these remakes to redeem those huge franchise titles from what killed them off in the first place.

Personally, I'm waiting for a new big budget Leprechaun sequel. The SAW guys have a premise (set in the Wild West) but can't seem to secure the financing.

I did enjoy the original (with a very young Jennifer Anniston-nose and all) but just like NOES, making the villain the star (and funny) gave it no room to get better. I thought you were joking about the big budget sequel...

[jrnyman28]

The problem with horror movies today is they aren't scary...they seem to be a springboard for trampy actresses, and stone-faced actors. I don't think I've been scared in YEARS. Although, The Fourth Kind scared the fuck out of me....

True that there is very little scare in horror. I don't count "jumps", those are surprises, not scares. And Fourth Kind did little for me. Cool premise and it had Milla, but not much else for scary. However, I may be the only person who could appreciate the tense atmosphere "Paranormal Activity" created. I actually thought it was 'creepy'. And to think, they did it for only $15,000!

[jrnyman28]

See, I felt the complete opposite. I think Halloween and ESP Halloween II were over done and had no plot to the story and it carried, and carried and carried after a certain point. Jason was more of just kill shots and they changed many things of his origin and actually made him have a brain and though things through. There were cool kill scenes in F13 but again, overboard with plot-less storylines. I think Nightmare executed it's story, esp the prequel like nature the best.

We talking the Rob Zombie cinema miscariages, or John Carpenter's original Halloween classics? As for the F13 remake, my problem was it felt more like a Chainsaw movie than a proper Jason movie. The summer camp setting was hardly used. I just recently got around to seeing the latest SAW, a franchise I had pretty much left for dead. Gotta say, not too shabby. Probably the best entry since Part 3.

I actually liked the friday the 13th reboot along with the first rob zombie halloween reboot. Halloween II was just plain awful. I almost left the theater 30 minutes into the movie.

Funny. I did not care for the first Zombie "Halloween" because what he added didn't fit within the original "world" created by Carpenter. But I thought Zombie was. Able to do so much more in the 2nd one because all the rules were gone. He still went a little nuts, but I was able to enjoy it more.

[jrnyman28]

This thread really illustrates the.problem horror faces. Remakes are criticized and compared. You have to wonder if all the new ideas are gone. Then you have films that are at least pretending to be something new like the original subject of this thread and they fall short. So we end up complaining either way and there's less and less money being invested in the genre. Hoping to help create a new classic. So I try to support the genre, regardless.

[S2M]

What do you consider Horror? See No Evil? Strangers? House of 1000 Corpses? Ring? Grudge? Uninvited? What is your criteria?

[Rip Rokken]

True that there is very little scare in horror. I don't count "jumps", those are surprises, not scares. And Fourth Kind did little for me. Cool premise and it had Milla, but not much else for scary. However, I may be the only person who could appreciate the tense atmosphere "Paranormal Activity" created. I actually thought it was 'creepy'. And to think, they did it for only $15,000!

I couldn't even finish The Fourth Kind before I sent it back to Netflix. I may have only gotten 1/3 into the movie, before the crap reviews convinced me to stop keeping it several nights in a row thinking I'd finish it, and send it back to Netflix immediately. First of all, the whole premise that it was real or whatever was total crap and got on my nerves. Second, all the non-stop wailing and screaming irritated the hell out of me. I have no desire to watch films like that.

I actually liked Paranormal Activity, too! It was creepy, but I think we're at the end of these "reality" films being fresh in any way. Every gimmick they pull to explain why there is a camera there has been done, and is cliched now. But it was still a cool film.

[brandonx76]

Since we're talking campy horror flicks -

You guys/gals ever seen "The Boogeyman" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080464/) (Note: there's a few boogeyman movies, including one by Stephen King, this ain't that one)

This was on cable when I was growing up if I recall, watched it recently, not too bad. Good use of a low budget, and mirrors. Check it out

[Rip Rokken]

Funny. I did not care for the first Zombie "Halloween" because what he added didn't fit within the original "world" created by Carpenter. But I thought Zombie was. Able to do so much more in the 2nd one because all the rules were gone. He still went a little nuts, but I was able to enjoy it more.

Rob Zombie is peculiar to me, because it's amazing how a guy who supposedly loves horror as much as he does completely misses the boat in his own films. It's like he only understands heavy gore and being overly gratuitous with everything else (language, etc.), but doesn't understand what makes good horror work. I really think he's a hack. But at least he gave us Captain Spaulding.

[S2M]

Phantasm V was supposed to be released next year....



All signs point to it still being a possibility.....I can only hope.

BTW, Reggie is a cocky bastard....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ4_7CE6I_s&feature=related

[The_Noble_Cause]

I like Phantasm better, anyway. THAT is a unique concept.

Yea, too bad the sequels are so campy. The first one is a def. classic.

The last sequel, Phantasm: OblIVion, was very good. And Phantasm II was pretty solid, it just didn't have Michael Baldwin. I saw that one in the theater.

Phantasm III, OTOH, was forgettable.

I don't think any of the sequels hold a candle to the first one. That movie was otherworldly and scary in a really unique way. Almost comparable to the dream logic horror of some early italian Argento films. II is a dumb action movie. III is a comedy. And IV is a boring clip show. Roger Avary wrote an epic script called Phantasm 1999 that would've co-starred Bruce Campbell, and really gave the series the moderate budget send-off it deserved. At this point, I doubt a part 5 will ever happen.

[Rip Rokken]

Ok, if you want great horror, here it is... I bought a DVD at Wal Mart one night that looked good, and it was excellent. A foreign film called Let The Right One In. It was kinda like Twilight for adults, and 97% fresh ratings on RottenTomatoes.com don't lie!



I was in the theater the other night when a new preview started playing, and after just the first few scenes I got pumped because I recognized what it had to be -- an American version of this film, and they are calling it "Let Me In". Can't wait! Here's the preview:

Here's the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjavOLdPk1c

[The_Noble_Cause]

Phantasm V was supposed to be released next year....



All signs point to it still being a possibility.....I can only hope.

BTW, Reggie is a cocky bastard....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ4_7CE6I_s&feature=related

Last I heard the director, Don Conscarelli, and the cast (including Reggie and the Tall Man) held a table read for a script that's still being tweaked. Some footage of the read was available online. But Don's busy doing a sequel to Bubba Ho-Tep at the moment, and Angus Scrim (The Tall Man) isn't getting any younger.

[jrnyman28]

Since we're talking campy horror flicks -

You guys/gals ever seen "The Boogeyman" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080464/) (Note: there's a few boogeyman movies, including one by Stephen King, this ain't that one)

This was on cable when I was growing up if I recall, watched it recently, not too bad. Good use of a low budget, and mirrors. Check it out

I thought the first was pretty well done, the 2nd was plausible. Haven't seen the third.

[S2M]

Angus is 84, and Reggie is 63....

Sign the petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/phant5/

Memo: I would only want them to do it if they had the budget to do something epic...show deserted worlds, explain more backstory....

[Rip Rokken]

Phantasm V was supposed to be released next year....



All signs point to it still being a possibility.....I can only hope.

BTW, Reggie is a cocky bastard....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ4_7CE6I_s&feature=related

Last I heard the director, Don Conscarelli, and the cast (including Reggie and the Tall Man) held a table read for a script that's still being tweaked. Some footage of the read was available online. But Don's busy doing a sequel to Bubba Ho-Tep at the moment, and Angus Scrim (The Tall Man) isn't getting any younger.

This is from just last month:

Angus Scrimm admits "don't hold your breath" on Phantasm V

Posted on Friday, August 15th, 2008 20:14:11 GMT by: quietearth
Posted under: movie news horror

Ugh, while I fanatically report any little tidbit I can find on one of my favorite films (series) of all time, I hate to tell you that Angus Scrimm got in touch with Fangoria and says NOTHING IS IN THE WORKS! ARGH! Here's his exact words: “There is nothing in the works, We did have a roundtable reading a year and a half ago of a lengthy script for PHANTASM V, which was written by Steve Romano, the co-writer on Don’s excellent MASTERS OF HORROR episode INCIDENT ON AND OFF A MOUNTAIN ROAD. The problem with that one was that it attempted to explain everything, and of course, nothing is really explicable with PHANTASM." That's terrible news as they've been teasing about it for quite a while new, and even the ice cream man himself, Reggie Bannister, had written a post apocalyptic script a few years ago which sounded right incredible. I guess we'll have to just keep waiting, but still all of us fans should let them know that we do love Phantasm and we want to see the series continued, Hoo-Hah!

[The_Noble_Cause]

but I simply loved Freddy returning to EVIL and menacing.

That seemed like PR spin to me. The revamped Freddy was cracking corny one-liners and puns almost as fast as Englund. Like the much hyped Bond reboot, Casino Royale, the Freddy recasting was also unecessary imo.

But I thought Zombie was. Able to do so much more in the 2nd one because all the rules were gone. He still went a little nuts, but I was able to enjoy it more..

There is a batshit insanity to Zombie's Halloween sequel that makes it endearing. It def. goes for broke.

I thought you were joking about the big budget sequel...

Not at all.

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/08/12/da ... -old-west/

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is from just last month:

Angus Scrimm admits "don't hold your breath" on Phantasm V

Posted on Friday, August 15th, 2008 20:14:11 GMT by: quietearth
Posted under: movie news horror

Ugh, while I fanatically report any little tidbit I can find on one of my favorite films (series) of all time, I hate to tell you that Angus Scrimm got in touch with Fangoria and says NOTHING IS IN THE WORKS! ARGH! Here's his exact words: “There is nothing in the works, We did have a roundtable reading a year and a half ago of a lengthy script for PHANTASM V, which was written by Steve Romano, the co-writer on Don’s excellent MASTERS OF HORROR episode INCIDENT ON AND OFF A MOUNTAIN ROAD. The problem with that one was that it attempted to explain everything, and of course, nothing is really explicable with PHANTASM." That's terrible news as they've been teasing about it for quite a while new, and even the ice cream man himself, Reggie Bannister, had written a post apocalyptic script a few years ago which sounded right incredible. I guess we'll have to just keep waiting, but still all of us fans should let them know that we do love Phantasm and we want to see the series continued, Hoo-Hah!

Thanks for the update. I really don't know what the hold-up is. Like Sam Raimi and Evil Dead 4, this is a dream project that will most likely never happen. At one point, there was talk of Phantasm getting the slick Hollywood remake treatment. That will probably happen before another sequel. At the same time, some projects are better left alone. For decades fans clamored for another George Romero zombie sequel and now that he has the funding, all he churns out is crap (i.e. Land, Diary, Survival).

[jrnyman28]

Ok, if you want great horror, here it is... I bought a DVD at Wal Mart one night that looked good, and it was excellent. A foreign film called Let The Right One In. It was kinda like Twilight for adults, and 97% fresh ratings on RottenTomatoes.com don't lie!



I was in the theater the other night when a new preview started playing, and after just the first few scenes I got pumped because I recognized what it had to be -- an American version of this film, and they are calling it "Let Me In". Can't wait! Here's the preview:

Here's the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjavOLdPk1c

Ok, here we go. This is the movie I wanted to talk about. A good example of the rfemake conundrum. The original is hailed by critics and audiences alike. Visually stunning and unique. Certainly not needingf to be remade, especially since it is only a year two old. But, it's foreign. And most of the American audience missedc it or wouldn't give it a chance because of the subtitles or the dubbing. So now we get the American remake. A good idea so people will actually see this movie. But the worry is that when catering to the American audiences the movie could lose everythiong that made it so special. But I am very excited by this. It looks like the director stayed very true to the original scenes and scoring Chloe (Hit Girl from "Kick Ass") is a huge win. Plus the boy was the kid from "The Road". 8 am veryy escited for this one!

[Red13JoePa]

Zombie's H2 seemed to take out some anger at the studio he thought misrepresented the remake to him to begin with....whatever the truth is, that is a scary fkn movie TOTALLY different than anything, including Zombie's own remake, that came before it.
In the process of seeming to be blatanly in the face of studio he somehow created some seminal, if "new," "Halloween" scenes.
And the location and settings of RZH2 was everything the prior films had aspired to, as far as ruralism is concerned.

Agree with the previous sentiments ANOS was prematurely remade before Englund's sequels, which seemed to have revived with Craven at them helm in "6" (and before the comic book sidetrack of FVJ), had run their course, and certainly same for Phantasm, though as stated, that as a seminal classic will most likely be remade before properly sequeled while Scrimm and Coscarelli are still functional.

[jrnyman28]

but I simply loved Freddy returning to EVIL and menacing.

That seemed like PR spin to me. The revamped Freddy was cracking corny one-liners and puns almost as fast as Englund.

But I thought Zombie was. Able to do so much more in the 2nd one because all the rules were gone. He still went a little nuts, but I was able to enjoy it more..

There may have been one-liners, but I didn't find them campy or funny. They seemed menacing. It worked for me. But even Robert Englund admitted to getting too old to play the role physically...

[verslibre]

Thanks for the update. I really don't know what the hold-up is. Like Sam Raimi and Evil Dead 4, this is a dream project that will most likely never happen. At one point, there was talk of Phantasm getting the slick Hollywood remake treatment. That will probably happen before another sequel. At the same time, some projects are better left alone. For decades fans clamored for another George Romero zombie sequel and now that he has the funding, all he churns out is crap (i.e. Land, Diary, Survival).

Land could have been a good movie. Started out alright, but it ran out of gas. And the remake of Dawn was better than Land! Nothing beats the original Dawn for me, though.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But even Robert Englund admitted to getting too old to play the role physically...

Only after he had already been handed a pink slip. The dude appears in about 10 straight-to-dvds movie a week. Like Kane Hodder with Jason, Freddy was Englund's meal ticket. If the studio wanted him, he would've lept at the chance.

[YoungJRNY]

I think the last movie that actually frightened me was Gothika with Halle Berry. That scene where she was in the shower of the cell and where it was all steamed up actually made me stop the movie and take a breather. I've never did that before so that goes to show how fuckin' freaked out I was. I actually haven't seen it in awhile, might have to check it out again in the same setting and see if it has the same effect.

[verslibre]

And the hold-up on another Phantasm film is: money. The series didn't make that much money. Even the Leprechaun flicks are more popular. Phantasm is more about atmosphere, dread, the implied versus the overt and the visceral, like Saw, Hostel and all that shit. That's why Phantasm isn't as popular.

A Nightmare On Elm Street is the most overrated horror movie ever. I'd say the original Halloween is, but it's a far superior film to ANoES. I like most of John Carpenter's films, too.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Thanks for the update. I really don't know what the hold-up is. Like Sam Raimi and Evil Dead 4, this is a dream project that will most likely never happen. At one point, there was talk of Phantasm getting the slick Hollywood remake treatment. That will probably happen before another sequel. At the same time, some projects are better left alone. For decades fans clamored for another George Romero zombie sequel and now that he has the funding, all he churns out is crap (i.e. Land, Diary, Survival).

Land could have been a good movie. Started out alright, but it ran out of gas. And the remake of Dawn was better than Land! Nothing beats the original Dawn for me, though.

Sad, but true. Romero has been outmatched by upstart filmmakers less than half his age. Everything from 28 Weeks Later to REC has blown Romero's undead output away. Night-Dawn-Day remain the touchstone for all films in this genre. But his new stuff is just embarrassing.