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Postby Don » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:23 am

Parfait versus the Knights Templar, I love it.

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Postby whirlwind » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:56 am

Don wrote:Parfait versus the Knights Templar, I love it.

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Hell, Parfait is nearly the only one in these arguments that has not been programed, or if he was at one time, he learned to think for himself. Most of you don't agree with each others beliefs and have been programed to think that you are the one's that will be saved and the others are lost souls, whatever the hell that is. Religion is the single most evil in the world.
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Postby Duncan » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:56 am

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parfait wrote:It's disgusting that you deluded theists can joke and laugh about what your supposed God has orchestrated, or just couldn't care to do anything with. These kids are, when born, condemned into either be killed in guerrilla wars or die of TB or HIV, while you corpulent fucks sits around in churches praying for your wife's to blow you more and that your boss will give you a raise at work.

All the while, missionaries are walking around in Africa, preaching the gospel of God and to to stay away from condoms. That's not funny. It's sick and ugly. Leap of faith, I guess.


Hypocrite...You've got no moral high ground to be castigating anyone for anything. Unbelievable.


Yes, I do, because I don't pretend to be talking to the creator of the universe, preaching his gospel and morals like he's a kind, loving guy, when in fact he's a hateful dictator, who's supposedly made a world where 60% of the world lives in poverty. Where there's murder and injustice all around. Yet you people love him, though ironically he hasn't done shit to improve the world that he created. Oh, that's not entirely correct; he helped Ginger find her man.

While scientists work for HIV cures, improved cancer treatment or through their work at LHC, one way or another, improves the quality of life. There's absolutely no fucking way you can be a reasonable person, and believe in God, especially if you're a theist; interpreting the bible literally. Then you're deluded and ignorant. Simple as that.


At least Christians pray for the people you speak of. What do you do? At least the missionaries are there trying to help, whether you think they do or not. They dedicate their lives to helping them. I can't think of a more unselfish act. Again, what do you do? Sounds to me like you go to college, work out, piss on women and practice atheism. Real meaningful and unselfish life there junior. When you do something to help the kids in Africa, I'll applaud you, until then, bashing those that do is, as Dave said, hypocritical. Especially when you use those same kids to further your argument.


To paraphrase Christopher Hitchins, it has ben proven the world over that the two most effective methods of raising the bar when it comes to poverty is the empowerment of women and sex education - particularly the use of condoms. Almost all religions have been a stubborn barrier to both.

There is no doubt religous based charities do a lot of good work, but so do secular charities like Oxfam. Good people will do good things irrespective of religion.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:00 am

whirlwind wrote:Hell, Parfait is nearly the only one in these arguments that has not been programed, or if he was at one time, he learned to think for himself. Most of you don't agree with each others beliefs and have been programed to think that you are the one's that will be saved and the others are lost souls, whatever the hell that is. Religion is the single most evil in the world.


Parfait is also a hypocrite and your statement above is a load of crap. The single most evil in the world is those who wield power over others through whatever means necessary, i.e. riches, glory, fame, etc.
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Postby Behshad » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:04 am

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Don wrote:Parfait versus the Knights Templar, I love it.

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Hell, Parfait is nearly the only one in these arguments that has not been programed, or if he was at one time, he learned to think for himself. Most of you don't agree with each others beliefs and have been programed to think that you are the one's that will be saved and the others are lost souls, whatever the hell that is. Religion is the single most evil in the world.


That's where you're wrong. We all respect eachothers beliefs without having to agree on everything and no one is thinking about being saved.
We believe in a creator of this world. Parfait is the only one who thinks he is superior to the rest of us. Well and now you. He will set you free if you kneel in front of him ;)
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Postby Don » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:08 am

Beshad, are you a Christian?
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Postby Rick » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:14 am

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Rick wrote:
parfait wrote:
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parfait wrote:It's disgusting that you deluded theists can joke and laugh about what your supposed God has orchestrated, or just couldn't care to do anything with. These kids are, when born, condemned into either be killed in guerrilla wars or die of TB or HIV, while you corpulent fucks sits around in churches praying for your wife's to blow you more and that your boss will give you a raise at work.

All the while, missionaries are walking around in Africa, preaching the gospel of God and to to stay away from condoms. That's not funny. It's sick and ugly. Leap of faith, I guess.


Hypocrite...You've got no moral high ground to be castigating anyone for anything. Unbelievable.


Yes, I do, because I don't pretend to be talking to the creator of the universe, preaching his gospel and morals like he's a kind, loving guy, when in fact he's a hateful dictator, who's supposedly made a world where 60% of the world lives in poverty. Where there's murder and injustice all around. Yet you people love him, though ironically he hasn't done shit to improve the world that he created. Oh, that's not entirely correct; he helped Ginger find her man.

While scientists work for HIV cures, improved cancer treatment or through their work at LHC, one way or another, improves the quality of life. There's absolutely no fucking way you can be a reasonable person, and believe in God, especially if you're a theist; interpreting the bible literally. Then you're deluded and ignorant. Simple as that.


At least Christians pray for the people you speak of. What do you do? At least the missionaries are there trying to help, whether you think they do or not. They dedicate their lives to helping them. I can't think of a more unselfish act. Again, what do you do? Sounds to me like you go to college, work out, piss on women and practice atheism. Real meaningful and unselfish life there junior. When you do something to help the kids in Africa, I'll applaud you, until then, bashing those that do is, as Dave said, hypocritical. Especially when you use those same kids to further your argument.


To paraphrase Christopher Hitchins, it has been proven the world over that the two most effective methods of raising the bar when it comes to poverty is the empowerment of women and sex education - particularly the use of condoms. Almost all religions have been a stubborn barrier to both.

There is no doubt religious based charities do a lot of good work, but so do secular charities like Oxfam. Good people will do good things irrespective of religion.


Your first paragraph probably has a lot of truth to it, sadly, and I couldn't agree more with your second.

I'm not a religious person, but I tip my hat to anyone that helps the less fortunate. I just feel inclined to defend anyone from being blasted for their beliefs, if those beliefs that are in a positive light.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:14 am

Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


We don't even know if he's human. :lol: :wink:
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Postby Don » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:21 am

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Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


We don't even know if he's human. :lol: :wink:


Maybe that's why he hasn't responded yet; to him, my question may be the equivalent of asking the M5 computer from Star Trek what the penalty for murder is.
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Postby Behshad » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:34 am

Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:36 am

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Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion. I do, however, love to argue just for the hell of it.


I just knew that last part was true. :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:41 am

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Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion. I do, however, love to argue just for the hell of it.


I just knew that last part was true. :lol:

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Postby parfait » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:42 am

Through longtime statistic studies done by US Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics, from a survey called National Longitudinal Study of Youth, showed that Atheists score 3,82 points higher than liberal believers, and 5,89 points higher than conservative believers on IQ tests. Another study done in Denmark showed that non-believers score 6,0 points higher than believers.

In 1975, Norman Poythress studied a sample of 234 US college undergraduates, grouping them into relatively homogeneous religious types based on the similarity of their religious beliefs, and compared their personality characteristics. He found that "Literally-oriented religious Believers did not differ significantly from Mythologically-oriented Believers on measures of intelligence, authoritarianism, or racial prejudice. Religious Believers as a group were found to be significantly less intelligent and more authoritarian than religious Skeptics." He used SAT's as a measure of intelligence for this study.

I know you boys will deny this like you do with everything else, but there's no denying it: do you believe, then you're clearly less reasonable and knowledgeable. You even will, or can't understand the simplest of physics and biology. It's pitiful, to be honest.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:43 am

parfait wrote:Through longtime statistic studies done by US Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics, from a survey called National Longitudinal Study of Youth, showed that Atheists score 3,82 points higher than liberal believers, and 5,89 points higher than conservative believers on IQ tests. Another study done in Denmark showed that non-believers score 6,0 points higher than believers.

In 1975, Norman Poythress studied a sample of 234 US college undergraduates, grouping them into relatively homogeneous religious types based on the similarity of their religious beliefs, and compared their personality characteristics. He found that "Literally-oriented religious Believers did not differ significantly from Mythologically-oriented Believers on measures of intelligence, authoritarianism, or racial prejudice. Religious Believers as a group were found to be significantly less intelligent and more authoritarian than religious Skeptics." He used SAT's as a measure of intelligence for this study.

I know you boys will deny this like you do with everything else, but there's no denying it: do you believe, then you're clearly less reasonable and knowledgeable. You even will, or can't understand the simplest of physics and biology. It's pitiful, to be honest.
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Postby Behshad » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:44 am

parfait wrote:Through longtime statistic studies done by US Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics, from a survey called National Longitudinal Study of Youth, showed that Atheists score 3,82 points higher than liberal believers, and 5,89 points higher than conservative believers on IQ tests. Another study done in Denmark showed that non-believers score 6,0 points higher than believers.

In 1975, Norman Poythress studied a sample of 234 US college undergraduates, grouping them into relatively homogeneous religious types based on the similarity of their religious beliefs, and compared their personality characteristics. He found that "Literally-oriented religious Believers did not differ significantly from Mythologically-oriented Believers on measures of intelligence, authoritarianism, or racial prejudice. Religious Believers as a group were found to be significantly less intelligent and more authoritarian than religious Skeptics." He used SAT's as a measure of intelligence for this study.

I know you boys will deny this like you do with everything else, but there's no denying it: do you believe, then you're clearly less reasonable and knowledgeable. You even will, or can't understand the simplest of physics and biology. It's pitiful, to be honest.


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Postby Saint John » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:52 am

I see Parfait is getting the silent treatment. :lol: :?
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Postby Behshad » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:54 am

Saint John wrote:I see Parfait is getting the silent treatment. :lol: :?


So you think you can drive here Feb 11th so we go to the Feb 12th show and pick on JRM ?! ;)
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:55 am

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Saint John wrote:I see Parfait is getting the silent treatment. :lol: :?


So you think you can drive here Feb 11th so we go to the Feb 12th show and pick on JRM ?! ;)


You think you can call in sick on Saturday so we can all go to the Omni again?
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Postby Saint John » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:57 am

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Saint John wrote:I see Parfait is getting the silent treatment. :lol: :?


So you think you can drive here Feb 11th so we go to the Feb 12th show and pick on JRM ?! ;)


Actually, that shouldn't be a problem at all. After what Matt and I put him through last time, Jeremey may disagree, though. :lol: :twisted: :oops:
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Postby Behshad » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:57 am

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Saint John wrote:I see Parfait is getting the silent treatment. :lol: :?


So you think you can drive here Feb 11th so we go to the Feb 12th show and pick on JRM ?! ;)


You think you can call in sick on Saturday so we can all go to the Omni again?


Saint John will pick you up on his way for the 12th show buddy :)
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Postby Don » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:06 am

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Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion.


Oh, okay. I was stereotypically thinking that you were a muslim and was going to ask you what happens to Christians in Allah's heaven.
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Postby Rick » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:08 am

parfait wrote:Through longtime statistic studies done by US Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics, from a survey called National Longitudinal Study of Youth, showed that Atheists score 3,82 points higher than liberal believers, and 5,89 points higher than conservative believers on IQ tests. Another study done in Denmark showed that non-believers score 6,0 points higher than believers.

In 1975, Norman Poythress studied a sample of 234 US college undergraduates, grouping them into relatively homogeneous religious types based on the similarity of their religious beliefs, and compared their personality characteristics. He found that "Literally-oriented religious Believers did not differ significantly from Mythologically-oriented Believers on measures of intelligence, authoritarianism, or racial prejudice. Religious Believers as a group were found to be significantly less intelligent and more authoritarian than religious Skeptics." He used SAT's as a measure of intelligence for this study.

I know you boys will deny this like you do with everything else, but there's no denying it: do you believe, then you're clearly less reasonable and knowledgeable. You even will, or can't understand the simplest of physics and biology. It's pitiful, to be honest.


Wow, with the average SAT score in the mid 1500's, the 3.82 and 5.89 differential is staggering. :lol: Religious people study religion, where non-believers don't. If religion were incorporated into the SAT, which it isn't, the scores would be drastically different.
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Postby whirlwind » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:08 am

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Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion.




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Postby Behshad » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:10 am

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Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion.


Oh, okay. I was stereotypically thinking that you were a muslim and was going to ask you what happens to Christians in Allah's heaven.



:lol: no prob , Sorry to disappoint you :lol:
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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things. But for good people to do bad things, it takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
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Postby Behshad » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:11 am

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Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion.




Which God?


What exactly do you mean ?! :? Can I see the options ?! :lol:
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Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion.




Which God?


What exactly do you mean ?! :? Can I see the options ?! :lol:





Conceptions of God vary widely. Theologians and philosophers have studied countless conceptions of God since the dawn of civilization. The Abrahamic conceptions of God include the monotheistic definition of God in Judaism, the trinitarian view of Christians, and the Islamic concept of God. The dharmic religions differ in their view of the divine: views of God in Hinduism vary by region, sect, and caste, ranging from monotheistic to polytheistic to atheistic. Divinity were recognized by the historical Buddha, but they play a subordinate role in the devotee's personal path to salvation. Conceptions of God in the latter developments of the Mahayana tradition give a more prominent place to notions of the divine.


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Postby verslibre » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:17 am

parfait wrote:Through longtime statistic studies done by US Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics, from a survey called National Longitudinal Study of Youth, showed that Atheists score 3,82 points higher than liberal believers, and 5,89 points higher than conservative believers on IQ tests. Another study done in Denmark showed that non-believers score 6,0 points higher than believers.

In 1975, Norman Poythress studied a sample of 234 US college undergraduates, grouping them into relatively homogeneous religious types based on the similarity of their religious beliefs, and compared their personality characteristics. He found that "Literally-oriented religious Believers did not differ significantly from Mythologically-oriented Believers on measures of intelligence, authoritarianism, or racial prejudice. Religious Believers as a group were found to be significantly less intelligent and more authoritarian than religious Skeptics." He used SAT's as a measure of intelligence for this study.

I know you boys will deny this like you do with everything else, but there's no denying it: do you believe, then you're clearly less reasonable and knowledgeable. You even will, or can't understand the simplest of physics and biology. It's pitiful, to be honest.


Keep your statistics; I'll stick with experience. Many of my friends have been "liberal atheists" and they certainly weren't "smarter" than myself, though one believed himself (again, believed) to be more intelligent than all his friends. Where is he today? Oh, that's right: sitting in front of a computer screen in the back of some graphic design (print) shop in NorCal. WOW! :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:22 am

whirlwind wrote:
Behshad wrote:
whirlwind wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?


No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion.




Which God?


What exactly do you mean ?! :? Can I see the options ?! :lol:





Conceptions of God vary widely. Theologians and philosophers have studied countless conceptions of God since the dawn of civilization. The Abrahamic conceptions of God include the monotheistic definition of God in Judaism, the trinitarian view of Christians, and the Islamic concept of God. The dharmic religions differ in their view of the divine: views of God in Hinduism vary by region, sect, and caste, ranging from monotheistic to polytheistic to atheistic. Divinity were recognized by the historical Buddha, but they play a subordinate role in the devotee's personal path to salvation. Conceptions of God in the latter developments of the Mahayana tradition give a more prominent place to notions of the divine.


Pick one!



The God I believe in is by far less complicated than the options given above. I believe IN a creator that created this universe and that based on how we live our life and treat eachother , there may be a reward after we are done here.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:25 am

Behshad wrote:
whirlwind wrote:
Behshad wrote:
whirlwind wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Don wrote:Beshad, are you a Christian?
No Sir. I don't practice any religion. I do however believe in God. I don't need to go to Any buildings to communicate with God. I dont need to have any books show me how to live. However I do not put people down if they practice a religion.
Which God?

What exactly do you mean ?! :? Can I see the options ?! :lol:

Conceptions of God vary widely. Theologians and philosophers have studied countless conceptions of God since the dawn of civilization. The Abrahamic conceptions of God include the monotheistic definition of God in Judaism, the trinitarian view of Christians, and the Islamic concept of God. The dharmic religions differ in their view of the divine: views of God in Hinduism vary by region, sect, and caste, ranging from monotheistic to polytheistic to atheistic. Divinity were recognized by the historical Buddha, but they play a subordinate role in the devotee's personal path to salvation. Conceptions of God in the latter developments of the Mahayana tradition give a more prominent place to notions of the divine
Pick one!
The God I believe in is by far less complicated than the options given above. I believe I'm a creator that created this universe and that based on how we live our life and treat eachother , there may be a reward after we are done here.


So you believe YOU are God!! I SEE ;) :lol: (damned iPhones! :lol: )
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