Jon Bon Jovi: Steve Jobs killed the music business.

[S2M]

I agree with him on one point. I absolutely LOVED spending my allowance on KISS albums in the 70s. Going to Zayre with my mother, hiding amoungst the clothes racks on her, running around...and finally settling on the record section. Flipping through the KISS albums. My first album was '76's Destroyer. The artwork had me in a trance. Back then, I believe you could get an album for like $7.99. Every other week I'd grab the albums already out, working backwards. Then in '78 - when the solos came out, I was transfixed on Ace's album. Played that bitch so much on my cheap-ass turntable that you could see gouges in the wax....Knew all the words, all the solos(air guitar), and had a lyric sheet on the record sleeve. Rock and Roll Over came with stickers, and a poster of the album artwork that you had to color. Albums kicked ass. Digital music is just convenient. That's all. I'd rather listen to an album with headphones like Motley Bon Whitesnake says....

[RocknRoll]

Working now to get an iPod/iPhone jack rigged up in my car -- it's so much more convenient than hauling around a bunch of CD's.

True, and I love my iPod, but find iTunes to be a pain to work with sometimes. And the car jack thing, my newer '08 car has one, but my '03 doesn't and I use one of those tape adaptors to play my iPod in there, lol.

I have yet to buy a single thing on itunes. I like having the actual CD, I then upload what I want from it onto my IPOD, etc. Yes, I may be old-school, but I like having the cd and all that goes with it. The cover, the booklet, the lyrics, the thankyous, etc. and yes, a lot of times a bonus dvd that comes with. I was just showing somebody the 3D slide sleeve on my limited Japan release of MB's What If... CD, very cool 3D pics front and especially on the back.

Another one here. I have to have the CD, read the booklet, lyrics and than upload it. I get so disappointed nowadays when you open it up and there's no booklet I think it was a Sammy CD that said you had to get the info from his website. I have purchased one song from Itunes, it was a replacement for a CD that came up missing. I have yet to buy an album on a flashdrive though, this I don't get!!!

PS: Anybody know why when I play an Itunes playlist on my computer, it will only play one song? It didn't use to do this. Grrrrr!!! I still haven't figured out what's wrong!

[mikemarrs]

I agree with him on one point. I absolutely LOVED spending my allowance on KISS albums in the 70s. Going to Zayre with my mother, hiding amoungst the clothes racks on her, running around...and finally settling on the record section. Flipping through the KISS albums. My first album was '76's Destroyer. The artwork had me in a trance. Back then, I believe you could get an album for like $7.99. Every other week I'd grab the albums already out, working backwards. Then in '78 - when the solos came out, I was transfixed on Ace's album. Played that bitch so much on my cheap-ass turntable that you could see gouges in the wax....Knew all the words, all the solos(air guitar), and had a lyric sheet on the record sleeve. Rock and Roll Over came with stickers, and a poster of the album artwork that you had to color. Albums kicked ass. Digital music is just convenient. That's all. I'd rather listen to an album with headphones like Motley Bon Whitesnake says....

hell yeah,my two all time favorite bands are KISS and Journey.that '78 Ace Frehley is in my top five albums ever.not proud to say this but i stole the first Loverboy album back in '84 from Zayre as a ten year old.used to love shopping there.my dad just happen to be riding by when i came walking out of the store with my chest looking like a rectangle where the stolen album was.i got my ass beat for stealing that album and haven't stolen since.

[RPM]

Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet? ), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover![/quote]

And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.

[Monker]

Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet? ), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!

And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.[/quote]

That is EXACTLY his point. People don't go to a 'record store' to buy a CD...they go to iTunes and download it instead. He is absolutely correct about that...and iTunes is at the forefront of that technology. It has destroyed 'albums' as we oldsters knew them. I doubt there will ever be a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Tommy" ever again. It's about individual singles now...and iTunes popularized it and made it mainstream.

The other thing this has proved is how easy it is on the internet to take a quote out of context and use it to fuel fire for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT argument. The article Andrew linked to from THIS VERY SITE did this. Shameful.

[SherriBerry]

Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet? ), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!

And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.

That is EXACTLY his point. People don't go to a 'record store' to buy a CD...they go to iTunes and download it instead. He is absolutely correct about that...and iTunes is at the forefront of that technology. It has destroyed 'albums' as we oldsters knew them. I doubt there will ever be a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Tommy" ever again. It's about individual singles now...and iTunes popularized it and made it mainstream.

The other thing this has proved is how easy it is on the internet to take a quote out of context and use it to fuel fire for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT argument. The article Andrew linked to from THIS VERY SITE did this. Shameful.

I forgot about that - the quality of digital is nowhere near the quality of albums! It wasn't until I found MR that I learned that - I thought CDs were supposed to be the bomb and digital would be more "advanced" than either. Are they even working on improving the sound?

[Don]

Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet? ), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!

And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.

That is EXACTLY his point. People don't go to a 'record store' to buy a CD...they go to iTunes and download it instead. He is absolutely correct about that...and iTunes is at the forefront of that technology. It has destroyed 'albums' as we oldsters knew them. I doubt there will ever be a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Tommy" ever again. It's about individual singles now...and iTunes popularized it and made it mainstream.

The other thing this has proved is how easy it is on the internet to take a quote out of context and use it to fuel fire for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT argument. The article Andrew linked to from THIS VERY SITE did this. Shameful.

I forgot about that - the quality of digital is nowhere near the quality of albums! It wasn't until I found MR that I learned that - I thought CDs were supposed to be the bomb and digital would be more "advanced" than either. Are they even working on improving the sound?

That's another reason why people download from torrents; so they can get the stuff either converted as FLAC or at least 320 kbps. It does increase the file size so instead of having 5000 songs on your player you might have 1200 only but that's still a buttload of tunes.

[S2M]

Anyone that says they can tell the difference between 192k and 320k without headphones is lying, or trying to sound important. 96k, maybe....I have limited use for a audiophile/tech snob....

[Arianddu]

Bon Joanie Loves Chachi

And yeah like mentioned, the days of albums and tapes did seem like a pain compared to cd's when they came out. Fast forwarding through songs you wanted to skip on tapes WAS a pain Imagine kids today having to do that, or heaven forbid, ejecting it and flipping it over to play the rest of the songs, *gasp!* Their fingers might break!

I was chatting to a friend who works in the music library for the Conservatory at my University. While we were talking, she had to stop to help a young music student. Most of the recordings the library holds in CD format, but they still have all the old LP recordings, and some rarer pieces are only available in that format. This student wanted one of those rare recordings, so my friend had to go set him up in a listening room and explain to him how the record player worked. After about 20 minutes, the same student came back in a huff, complaining that half the tracks were missing. It took us a few minutes to realise he didn't know to turn the album over.


Yes, we both felt very old after that.

[verslibre]

After about 20 minutes, the same student came back in a huff, complaining that half the tracks were missing. It took us a few minutes to realise he didn't know to turn the album over.

Wotta nimrod!! Even the kiddies know you flip a vinyl rekkid!!

[Arianddu]

After about 20 minutes, the same student came back in a huff, complaining that half the tracks were missing. It took us a few minutes to realise he didn't know to turn the album over.

Wotta nimrod!! Even the kiddies know you flip a vinyl rekkid!!

Sadly, many of them don't.

[verslibre]

I agree with him on one point. I absolutely LOVED spending my allowance on KISS albums in the 70s. Going to Zayre with my mother, hiding amoungst the clothes racks on her, running around...and finally settling on the record section. Flipping through the KISS albums. My first album was '76's Destroyer. The artwork had me in a trance. Back then, I believe you could get an album for like $7.99. Every other week I'd grab the albums already out, working backwards. Then in '78 - when the solos came out, I was transfixed on Ace's album. Played that bitch so much on my cheap-ass turntable that you could see gouges in the wax....Knew all the words, all the solos(air guitar), and had a lyric sheet on the record sleeve. Rock and Roll Over came with stickers, and a poster of the album artwork that you had to color. Albums kicked ass. Digital music is just convenient. That's all. I'd rather listen to an album with headphones like Motley Bon Whitesnake says....

It's safe to assume about 99.2% of everyone that regularly posts here is similarly minded. I bought tons of cassettes (my shitty record player ruined vinyl) in the '80s and I'd always be pissed if there wasn't a nice foldout with a generous layout of pix and/or lyrics and/or liner notes. Whether you were of the age to buy more records, 8-tracks, cassette tapes or CDs, it's pathetic that the ADD mentality of today's youth regards aspects of the '60s/70s/80s/90s music-buying experience as trivial and vestigial. There was some article recently about some jackass whose extensive MP3 library consisted of songs with all the guitar solos and drums solos (etc.) edited out. He referred to that as "progress." I'd like to jam my foot up his ass and call that "progress"!

All that said, I don't think brick-and-mortar stores will ever completely die off. In fact, I think they'll outlive the corporate stores that wipe out their music sections (except for Christmas CDs) because they need more floor space for appliances and PCs.

[Don]

From the front page of MR



JBJ vs STEVE JOBS PART 2:
Industry commentator Moses Avalon has weighed in on the Jon Bon Jovi vs Steve Jobs debate. His view is somewhat different to that most others seem to have taken. So from his newsletter and website comes this:

"Jon Bon Jovi has learned a lesson of the Internet age the hard way. The lesson he learned is that the techies, who wave the freedom-of-speech flag when it comes to music being free and net neutrality, are not so cool about free-speech when it criticizes one of their gods, like Steve Jobs. Indeed they respond rather childishly to just about anyone, no mater how famous, if even the slightest opinion about internet-related services is anything less than 10000000% positive. (Read what Bon Jovi said here.)
Now, in the before-time no one cared what geeks thought. They were in the back room. But blogs have given them the big stick in the public debate. And they want respect. They are getting it and proving the old adage that power corrupts; using their new tools to silence and intimidate those that are a threat. If they agree with you, you are launched to the top of a mountain, if you disagree with their position, they can out SEO you, out blog you and make you look ridiculous in a mater of seconds across the entire globe.
Now, most politicians and other public-people have learned this lesson years ago. Even I got a taste recently of how infantile some of these cats can get if you throw the slightest criticism at them. (I noticed an error in a Techdirt blog wherein they called IPS licensing fees, a “tax” for music. The guy freaked out on me and called me a “liar” all over Twitter.)
These techies can not take it when you disagree with them. It shatters their entire foundation and they get nasty. But poor Jon Bon Jovi, must have missed this memo. He committed the most heinous crime that a person can commit in today's blog/news world; he committed the offense of being obvious; of saying what everyone in the know, knows but is afraid to say:

iTunes is bad for music in the long run. Why, be afraid to say it? Well, you've no doubt seen the posts; because legions of keyboard jockeys will come after you in their blogs and virally disseminate a twisted version just to increase their Google rankings. They'll even Skype to each other while doing it and have a virtual party, with virtual booze and virtual girls.
Now, what did Bon Jovi say that was so terrible? Well, he spoke the truth for one thing. iTunes has helped devalue the business model that made music an industry. It may not have started the fire, but it poured gasoline on it in gallons.

Let's look at some iFacts:
1) iTunes has not, as some have suggested “saved the record business.” iTunes has made up less than 10% of sales over the years since launch.
2) Nor did Steve Jobs “invent” a way for artists to get paid from the internet, (I think Al Gore did that.)
3) Finally, I believe it was Lawrence Lessig or some fool like him who promised—“If you give people a legal way to buy music they won't steel it.” Remember that one? Not true: P2P file sharing did not decrease since iTunes went on-line — it actually increased.
What iTunes did that sucks most for music is it destabilized the “album model.” Yeah, yeah, I know, many of you think that that is good for the consumer, but it's really not in the long run. Not if you're a true music fan. Why?

Point 1) Economics: It costs more to make less, which means less risks will be taken on new acts.
If you remove the 80 cents or so that songwriters used to receive for each album sale and replace is with the 9 cents they get for a single, you don't have to be a math genius to see that you need to sell about seven times more units to break even on a promotion that costs $1,000,000 whether you release an album or a single; or, a production costing about $10,000/song to produce if you do an album, but $25,000/song is you go single-for-single.
Yes, it costs majors the same money to promote a single as it does to promote an album and three times as much to record the equivalent amount of singles that an album composes.
Add to that, that without the album economics you lose the 1:14 chance of one of the cuts becoming a hit and reduce those odds to 1:1. To duplicate the effect of an “album promotion” with singles, labels would have to spend more than ten times as much to have the same shot-gun effect that an album delivers.

WHO CARES
Why should indie artists care about majors and their costs? Well, now that it costs more to make less, these costs trickle down to everyone in the music food chain.
To sell a single for 99 cents on iTunes the indie artist ends up netting about 64%. With a CD album sold at a local store for $14 the Artist/label took almost $10 home—almost 75%. Sold off the side of the stage for $10, the same indie artist took home almost all of it, save a $1, for manufacturing—90%. Big winner here— Apple.

Point 2: Art. For those interested in music as an art, the devaluation of an album as an art form has neutered the musical experience. Deep cuts are dead for the future. This decreases the value of music as an experience and as a communication method. This disembowels artists from helping do what they are supposed to do— make the world a better place. They have been relieved of that job thanks to iTunes and P2P. Now they are just “content providers” and all we want from them are "hits" that are nice, radio safe singles. Great.
When musicians were in charge of music they helped end wars and elevate social consciousness. Now it's in the hands of the techies. I can only pray they do not abuse this power. So far, I'm not impressed. How can anyone be, with a culture that does not value one of America's greatest cultural contributions-- pop music.
This is what Jon Bon Jovi was really trying to say. What he probably meant with his comments was that the glory days of music are over. They are. It's true. And iTunes did accelerate the legitimacy of that decline more so than any other vehicle. But was it Steve's fault? No. Someone else would have done it eventually anyway.
Jon, I feel ya brotha. I feel your pain. I kid you not when I say some of these guys are so cult-like in their Apple fanaticism that it would not surprise me if I read that an Apple fan threw a rock at your window. Get an extra body guard for a week or two and hire a great defamation lawyer. I have.
~ Mo out."
Full Article & Comments at: www.mosesavalon.com/mosesblog/http:/www ... z-erosion/

[Michigan Girl]

See JBJ isn't just the cute little lead singer of one of the worlds
favorite bands ...he is trying to save the future of an industry!!
I don't know what I'd do without those deep cuts ...they're my favs, most
of the time!!

Geez, Jon ...you're gonna lose your hair over this!!!

[RPM]

Anyone that says they can tell the difference between 192k and 320k without headphones is lying, or trying to sound important. 96k, maybe....I have limited use for a audiophile/tech snob....

Your right. they both suck. one just sucks worse than the other.
anyone with a reasonable system can easliy discern between a
24 bit uncompressed file and a 320k

[RPM]

Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet? ), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!

And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.

That is EXACTLY his point. People don't go to a 'record store' to buy a CD...they go to iTunes and download it instead. He is absolutely correct about that...and iTunes is at the forefront of that technology. It has destroyed 'albums' as we oldsters knew them. I doubt there will ever be a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Tommy" ever again. It's about individual singles now...and iTunes popularized it and made it mainstream.

The other thing this has proved is how easy it is on the internet to take a quote out of context and use it to fuel fire for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT argument. The article Andrew linked to from THIS VERY SITE did this. Shameful.

I forgot about that - the quality of digital is nowhere near the quality of albums! It wasn't until I found MR that I learned that - I thought CDs were supposed to be the bomb and digital would be more "advanced" than either. Are they even working on improving the sound?

Well just last week or so, Steve jobs said they are working on a player that would play in 24 bit uncompressed.
Ironically, alot of the Rap producers are pushing for this, I think it will happen, mp3 certainly had its place,
at one time hard drive space was very expensive, and without the compression the ipods would have been
impossible at the price point that was affordable to enough people. That is no longer the case.

[S2M]

Anyone that says they can tell the difference between 192k and 320k without headphones is lying, or trying to sound important. 96k, maybe....I have limited use for a audiophile/tech snob....

Your right. they both suck. one just sucks worse than the other.
anyone with a reasonable system can easliy discern between a
24 bit uncompressed file and a 320k

Well seeing that a 3-minute song take up 100 mb. a 10 song Cd in 24 bit audio would take up 1 GIG of space. I currently have about 750 gigs worth of music at 320k. In 24 bit, I couldn't fit it all in my 1TB hard drive....and i doubt I would really care about the quality....

[RPM]

S2M

Well there in lies the rub, as I said mp3 has its vantage points, but if we are
talking about full quality for your dollar....why not hear it the way producers
and engineers intended it?.......

[S2M]

S2M

Well there in lies the rub, as I said mp3 has its vantage points, but if we are
talking about full quality for your dollar....why not hear it the way producers
and engineers intended it?.......

I miss albums....

[verslibre]

I caught a bit on NPR today about the MP3 issue. One guy interviewed (I forget his name) had previously run a small label in the '80s. He says to his ears the difference between a CD and MP3 is like night and day. An MP3 IS compressed and, IMO, best suited for samples. I've never looked to replacing my CDs with an MP3 library.

[SherriBerry]

Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet? ), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!

And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.

That is EXACTLY his point. People don't go to a 'record store' to buy a CD...they go to iTunes and download it instead. He is absolutely correct about that...and iTunes is at the forefront of that technology. It has destroyed 'albums' as we oldsters knew them. I doubt there will ever be a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Tommy" ever again. It's about individual singles now...and iTunes popularized it and made it mainstream.

The other thing this has proved is how easy it is on the internet to take a quote out of context and use it to fuel fire for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT argument. The article Andrew linked to from THIS VERY SITE did this. Shameful.

I forgot about that - the quality of digital is nowhere near the quality of albums! It wasn't until I found MR that I learned that - I thought CDs were supposed to be the bomb and digital would be more "advanced" than either. Are they even working on improving the sound?

Well just last week or so, Steve jobs said they are working on a player that would play in 24 bit uncompressed.
Ironically, alot of the Rap producers are pushing for this, I think it will happen, mp3 certainly had its place,
at one time hard drive space was very expensive, and without the compression the ipods would have been
impossible at the price point that was affordable to enough people. That is no longer the case.

What about the headphones and in-ears (Beats by Dr.Dre) that I kept getting hit with ads for on YouTube? Are they really worth the cost or is there a good alternative? They are really expensive!

[strangegrey]

JBJ is a fucking idiot.

Steve Jobs didn't kill the music industry.

Jon Bon Jovi did.

[RPM]

JBJ is a fucking idiot.

Steve Jobs didn't kill the music industry.

Jon Bon Jovi did.

I agree its not Steve Jobs fault, but how is JBJ to blame?

[RPM]

S2M

Well there in lies the rub, as I said mp3 has its vantage points, but if we are
talking about full quality for your dollar....why not hear it the way producers
and engineers intended it?.......

I miss albums....

ME TO!! ........

[strangegrey]

JBJ is a fucking idiot.

Steve Jobs didn't kill the music industry.

Jon Bon Jovi did.

I agree its not Steve Jobs fault, but how is JBJ to blame?

He's contributed to the decline of the music industry by releasing shitty music.

One of my main contentions with the tech-haters...and all of the artists that are crying foul when talking about digital music, is that they are artists that refuse to accept the new paradigm and find ways to make it work for them.


To paint Steve Jobs out to be this evil prick that ruined the industry, must require that if it were someone else as the CEO of Apple, it wouldn't have happened. That Steve Jobs, in his evil ways, set out to destroy some part of the entertainment industry...in this case music...and its pure fucking bullshit. an excuse to people that have seen their profit margins shrink due to the changing winds.

The fact of the matter, if it not for Jobs, it would have been someone else...because MP3s were a tsunami hitting the music industry, irrespective of Jobs. Jobs just made them more accessible.. He only sped up the process.


I still contend that the music industry is trying to use digital music as a convenient excuse for the real problems in the music industry....among those problems are poor accounting/profit models and crappy/piss poor A&R. The later is where JBJ is responsible, in part. He hasn't released a good song in over a decade. Why blame Steve Jobs when he should look in the fucking mirror!

Ironic, given the fact that JBJ's guitarist was one of the first artists to call attention to the fact that labels no longer spent any time on developing an artist. it was Richie Sambora who said in an interview, around the time of Crush's release, that had Bon Jovi been first signed in the late 90s, they would have been dropped from their label by their second album. If you think back, Bon Jovi didn't really hit until Slippery When Wet, which was their 3rd album.

To put it bluntly, artists are not given a chance these days. Labels do NOT want to absorb risk...at all....and that forces bands these days to hit it, fast and hard.


iTunes wouldn't have worked in the 60s-80s anymore than today's artists would have fit into the 60s-80s.


JBJ is just an old fuck who can't accept the change in paradigm.



That, and he actually has to work for his money these days....instead of back in the 80s, where he was spraying aquanet on his head and looking like he's going to blow andrew dice clay, while the camera takes pictures of him.

[slucero]

99.9% of the music buying public doesn't care about audio fidelity anymore or is too young to have ever heard high-quality audio...

[S2M]

99.9% of the music buying public doesn't care about audio fidelity anymore or is too young to have ever heard high-quality audio...

Shit-ass bands, Shit-ass music, in shit-ass bitrates....the Holy Triumverate.

[Michigan Girl]

If releasing shitty music killed the industry, we have a conglomeration
of murderers ...mass murderers

[RPM]

JBJ is a fucking idiot.

Steve Jobs didn't kill the music industry.

Jon Bon Jovi did.

I agree its not Steve Jobs fault, but how is JBJ to blame?

He's contributed to the decline of the music industry by releasing shitty music.

One of my main contentions with the tech-haters...and all of the artists that are crying foul when talking about digital music, is that they are artists that refuse to accept the new paradigm and find ways to make it work for them.


To paint Steve Jobs out to be this evil prick that ruined the industry, must require that if it were someone else as the CEO of Apple, it wouldn't have happened. That Steve Jobs, in his evil ways, set out to destroy some part of the entertainment industry...in this case music...and its pure fucking bullshit. an excuse to people that have seen their profit margins shrink due to the changing winds.

The fact of the matter, if it not for Jobs, it would have been someone else...because MP3s were a tsunami hitting the music industry, irrespective of Jobs. Jobs just made them more accessible.. He only sped up the process.


I still contend that the music industry is trying to use digital music as a convenient excuse for the real problems in the music industry....among those problems are poor accounting/profit models and crappy/piss poor A&R. The later is where JBJ is responsible, in part. He hasn't released a good song in over a decade. Why blame Steve Jobs when he should look in the fucking mirror!

Ironic, given the fact that JBJ's guitarist was one of the first artists to call attention to the fact that labels no longer spent any time on developing an artist. it was Richie Sambora who said in an interview, around the time of Crush's release, that had Bon Jovi been first signed in the late 90s, they would have been dropped from their label by their second album. If you think back, Bon Jovi didn't really hit until Slippery When Wet, which was their 3rd album.

To put it bluntly, artists are not given a chance these days. Labels do NOT want to absorb risk...at all....and that forces bands these days to hit it, fast and hard.


iTunes wouldn't have worked in the 60s-80s anymore than today's artists would have fit into the 60s-80s.


JBJ is just an old fuck who can't accept the change in paradigm.



That, and he actually has to work for his money these days....instead of back in the 80s, where he was spraying aquanet on his head and looking like he's going to blow andrew dice clay, while the camera takes pictures of him.

NO, steve and John are both not to blame, yes they both contributed to ruining albums and great music, but if it wasnt them
it would have been someone else , the way I see it neither one of them are idiots, they arent waking up at 4:00 am
every morning to pay their bills....it must be me....lol...yeah there the idiots....